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Archived: English Roadsters

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh DL1on Ebay posted by: Tom on 3/22/2002 at 9:59:44 PM
There is a nice Raleigh on Ebay 2 days left. It looks like a DL1. Rod brakes, mint shape. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1814038254&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1017066125&indexURL=0&rd=1

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh DL1on Ebay posted by David on 3/26/2002 at 12:12:10 AM
Wow. It went for $431. I hope the buyer doesn't have to have it shipped!

AGE / VALUE:   S/A hub with Brake posted by: sam on 3/22/2002 at 4:25:47 AM
I'm rebuilding an old American motobike from the teens.I plan on using the single speed costerbrake but the adv.for the bike show the (3speed)A/S coster as an option.Running down a 1915 S/A is out but I could fit a late model.The bike would only have the coster brake.Would a S/A drum be better or would the S3C work ok?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   S/A hub with Brake posted by Edward in Vancouver on 3/22/2002 at 2:58:44 PM
My preference would be a drum brake. Those S3C's are tricky to maintain.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   S/A hub with Brake posted by Art on 3/23/2002 at 5:07:58 AM
Sam. Check out this 1919 S/A made in America hub. Art

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   S/A hub with Brake posted by Art on 3/23/2002 at 1:38:35 PM

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   S/A hub with Brake posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/23/2002 at 6:24:33 PM
First time I have seen one of these surface. Made in U.S.A. by the King's Sewing Machine Company!
Early/rare tricoaster hub! Mentioned in Tony Hadland's book, The Sturmey-Archer story.
I failed at tracing this company myself.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   S/A hub with Brake posted by sam on 3/24/2002 at 4:29:30 AM
That would be the right year for what I need too....but that hub will go way too high for a bike I traded a chain guard for!On the up side of my project,With a new set of English style rims And tires and maybe a 3speed someday these old Americam bikes from the teems were really good bikes--The frames were great only the single tube tires make them unrideable.---sam

MISC:   odd sturmey hubs posted by: jim on 3/21/2002 at 3:47:35 AM
HI, About 5 years ago I found a sturmey archer S2 hub in it's original box. Since it had 36 holes I had it strung up to one of my bikes, but I have been afraid to ride this bike because I know so little about the hub. From all I can gather, it is a 2 speed kick back much like the Bendix hub yet with out a coasterbrake. How are these to repair? Should I keep treating it like a museum peice? What is the ramifications in using a nos hub after 33 years?
I have recently found a SW hub. Why did this fail? Does anyone else love the clicking sound the AW makes?
I have a few Brampton, sears and other hubs that look like repackeged S/A Hubs. Was this common?
I added a NOS FW to a DL-1 I want to use for commuting, and I have had a few tense moments when I need to move and have had engagement issues under stress (me and the hub) Is this typical FW or another 34 year old hub being pressed into service problem?

thanks for the help

   RE:MISC:   odd sturmey hubs posted by smg on 3/22/2002 at 9:30:13 PM
Envy! I fantasize about the S2 as a single-speed with a knee-friendly low gear for starting. I urge you to get hold of Tony Hadland's "The Sturmey Archer Story", which will answer a lot of questions. (He has a web page.)
I've been having a lot of fun with an S5 and an FW the past few months, in club-type rather than roadster/sports bikes.
The main worry about many of these older hubs is the availability of spare parts, as my S-A wizard ("Bikesmith" in Seattle) impressed upon me.
I've had the same trouble with my FW hub, which seems to be very picky about adjustment. Some of the links out of Sheldon Brown's S-A site reprint service manuals. The correct adjustment for the FW is: In 2nd gear, the left-hand indicator rod should be flush with the end of the axle. Mine proved to work fine after that, although the price was that entry into first gear is very difficult when the hub is correctly adjusted. Accordingly, the FW bike has been geared for flat riding, while the easy-shifting S5 is geared for hill climbing.

   RE:RE:MISC:   odd sturmey hubs posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/23/2002 at 5:14:45 PM
Few S-2's were made. the hub was popular in Scandinavia where most went to. Except mine!
It's a weird hub and replacement parts would be a problem.

I had to turn the whole place inside out, Miro had hidden things on me. Leafing throught the book Tony Hadland's "The Sturmey- Archer Story" and finally getting my grubby little paws on a n.o.s. hub was cool!
Still, no alloy shell! I wonder if.... No never mind! I think it's threaded diffrently too. And the driver is unique so no threaded hybrid projects and why would I want to with the S- 2 anyways?

Wanting something is half the fun because many times when you get into it, get ahold of it at last, it is not so interesting and satisfying as you made it out to be in thought. A cool, worthy hub is the alloy shell, Sturmey-Archer Four speed medium ratio F.M.
Excellent hub for you lightweight racer, club bike or in the heavy roadster D.L.1. like mine are.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Orphan Pedals posted by: jim on 3/21/2002 at 3:32:57 AM
Help! Over the past 10 years I have assembled a surplus of NOS English orphan pedals by Raleigh, Phillips and some made by Union for Raleigh.I am searching for the Mates to these.
I also seem to have multiple lefts or rights in which case access to a supply of NOS axles will do the trick.Does anybody have any info that may help me find these items?
I also seek 4" + 3.5" reflector blocks with the sir walter in a circle circa 1970.
I have some cool stuff to trade or will pay cash.

AGE / VALUE:   Scots Liquid Gold, I'll see how it turns out posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/20/2002 at 11:49:19 PM
I sprayed "Scots liquid Gold" (Furniture polish) on a very dusty black Gazelle 3 speed.)(A birthday present with alloy G.B.wing nuts) It makes the black paint look all wet and shiny and the whole bike glows brilliantly and smells like lemons. It looks great but.... I don't know what this will do to the paint long term. It didn't hurt decals or box lining(pinstriping) but I'm worried still. Please don't use it on your bike, as I might possibly come out and see it bubbling up the paint or decals.This was not a frame where the paint is oxidised, but an indoor kept, new condition bike. Getting this stuff anywhere near chrome or brakes or tires is not acceptable. Especially the rims and brakes, that would be a disaster. Somebody told me "furniture polish" last week. I knew a fellow who would spray it silly with W.D. 40 and rub it with a rag and the bike would shine. That was the extent of the overhaul, and he'd be asking like $100.00 a bike. With one exception I never went for what he had and that one was a Humber. He would sell them too, but he could sell ice to eskimos.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Scots Liquid Gold, I'll see how it turns out posted by Drew on 3/22/2002 at 12:48:20 AM
Many of these products work because they are mineral oil based, and the original paint has a mineral oil base. One of the best and least exspensive is baby oil, it dosen't have dryers and solvents in it, and is great for those chapped hands from rebuilding bikes!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Scots Liquid Gold, I'll see how it turns out posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/22/2002 at 1:39:41 AM
I'll take the Scots Liquid Gold over the baby oil any day. Oh, the smell of baby oil, Ugh! Thanks for your reply.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Scots Liquid Gold, I'll see how it turns out posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/24/2002 at 5:13:39 PM
No problem with the paintwork. It gleams, or glows and well, it just looks really glossy, wet black.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Scots Liquid Gold, I'll see how it turns out posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/24/2002 at 5:16:44 PM
The excess has dried. I wiped it off at first but it has dried or settled a bit. Like I said, Whatever you do, be sure to keep it away from brakes and rims. Perhaps applied on a display bike only? Every bike has a diffrent finish, so don't assume it will turn out ok with your bike.

AGE / VALUE:   Dad sold it, it's gone posted by: Chris on 3/20/2002 at 6:39:03 PM
When I mentioned I had a bike I wanted to find parts for, he said "Sell it, get the cash!" I told him, "No, I want someone I know to ride this!" Irked at his comment, I changed the subject,more determined than ever I decided to move the project to the front burner.

I asked about some things he's been selling. One bike was bought new by his father when he was very young. A really lovely vintage machine. Barely ridden, and well, it was meticulously cared for. Due to the fact that: he's cleaning house of some items , wants to raise funds for other projects, I get the impression that his son and daughter really didn't express an interest in the bikes. That was a big mistake on their part! The dad is a lover of fine bicycles and for them to turn up a nose was unfortunate. A family heirloom left the stash to be sold for a nice piece of change.Now it is in the appreciating hands of a total stranger rather than being given to, or sold to his son or daughter. The fact that junior isn't doing well enough in school cold have played a part in it too! I would have set it aside for him to have and use or perhaps even said "Look, I want to sell this and before I do, Do you want to take first crack at it? It belonged to your grandfather!"
Then again, Who says that?
Bad idea there. It comes down to keeping it or getting something for it when times are not so good.
That gets messy and unconfortable however, and the guy has every righ to sell something he's had 40 plus years and it is his and he is not required to even mention it. "It was my dad's and I decided to sell it." End of story!

How many times have I noticed people sell something for spot cash instead of being left alone and handed to the next generation?
The reasons for this are: Need the noney, plain and simple. Or some disdain the carry. They say "They don't take care of it, don't look after it, don't respect it." If you give a parent the impression that you won't take care of it, or are liable to sell it then they won't give it to you in the first place! They will sell it and to heck with him or her! Entire estates go to strangers v.s.family. Or it's a city park 160 years later still, because somebody ticked off heirs. Even the developers fail if it's set up properly! One lady was inscensed that grandson jumped over kerbs with grandma's bike. End of that collection! I got it all!
He ticked her off. Bad Luck! So appreciate family, watch yourself, be respectful. You could rue the day you didn't.
People can be vindictive, some charity will spend yur inheritance for you. Don't assume it will be there for you. Not with some prices being paid on E- bay! I asked "Jimmy" Why didn't they leave you anything? Why are you homeless? All sold out from under you? Family throwing you in the alley, literally? Nothing you can do? What a price to pay for a something that dad hated to see more than he ever could have guessed. Let somebody else break the news. Telegraph your displeasure from beyond the grave.It boiled down to that belief by his folks that he was incapable or unworthy to hold anything. So he lost it all. There is a parable story like this in the Bible. The foolish are taken from and are left with nothing! or smething like that. I didn't quite like hearing it, but it's right and who am I to throw myself against that book? If you are smart and work hard then you will have your own and if something happens you are prepared and better able to fight it. Watching dad sell the vintage bike instead of you getting it must really bite!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Dad sold it, it's gone posted by Mark R. on 3/20/2002 at 8:57:57 PM
Now I know where my grandfathers' track bikes went!(He was a famous "Six day" track racer in the early part of the last century). Uncle Jack probably thumbed his nose at the ol' bugger too many times, so bye bye hand made early track bikes!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Dad sold it, it's gone posted by Edward in Vancouver on 3/21/2002 at 3:11:26 PM
When people get "ticked off" they do strange things things. I remember about ten years ago a friend of a friend bragging that he had just bought a mint condition '84 Mercedes 350 Sl for only $1,000 Cdn. He had seen the add in the paper, couldn't believe it and went to check it out. The car was being sold by a very upset woman. Apparantly her husband had ran off with his secretary, drained the joint account,then called home and asked her to sell his car, he needed $800 for the flight home. He told his wife the car should sell for a minimum of $10,000. The wife wired him the $800 and kept the remaining $200 as her "commision". I never quite believed the story, but the car is still being driven and kept in good condition.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Dad sold it, it's gone posted by Geoff Rogers on 3/21/2002 at 4:54:42 PM
I have always wanted to meet that guy. Actually, I have heard the same story many times before, only it was either a Corvette, a Porsche, or a BMW. I guess it happens all the time!
Geoff Rogers ;-)

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Dad sold it, it's gone posted by Geoff Rogers on 3/21/2002 at 4:55:22 PM
I have always wanted to meet that guy. Actually, I have heard the same story many times before, only it was either a Corvette, a Porsche, or a BMW. I guess it happens all the time!
Geoff Rogers ;-)

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Dad sold it, it's gone posted by Chris on 3/22/2002 at 4:23:36 PM
"Grandpa didn't like dad so he gave me the Indian motorcycle"
Another story!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Dad sold it, it's gone posted by Joel on 3/22/2002 at 7:35:44 PM
A few years ago, my dad stopped at a yard sale. There was a really nice Ford tractor on a trailer that had some light body damage (hey, it's a tractor) but only a few years old. It turned out that the lady's husband had in fact run off with another woman and instructed her to sell all the stuff he had left behind and send him the money. She did. The tractor with trailer and bushhog,... for $500, less than 1/10 its value. My dad still has it.

It DOES happen.

WANTED:   misc. parts posted by: Eric on 3/20/2002 at 2:50:57 PM
I am looking for NOS or excellent used front brake calipers that were mounted on ealy Moultons along with the brake pads with JOHN BULL written on them. I am also looking for a pair of BB cups with T.D.C. stamped on them. Drop me a line at jofriete@aplususa.com

FOR SALE:   SHIRTS ECT posted by: RICKEY on 3/20/2002 at 12:56:05 AM
TEAM CLUB T SHIRTS OR PERSONAL shirt AIR BRUSHED BY BRIAN call 1-866-264-6673 custom screen printing avail

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sturmey Archer Lightbulbs posted by: Tom on 3/19/2002 at 3:05:32 AM
There is an Ebay auction that may interest the English roadster fans. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1085163656
Have a look at this item(lightbulbs) and look at his other auctions. He has a lot of British bike stuff. Not my auction and no relation.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sturmey Archer Lightbulbs posted by ahsmith on 3/19/2002 at 3:42:55 AM
Hello Tom. I figured out that a Dutch bid is when the seller has more than one quantity of the item he's selling. But how does it work for the buyer. Is it like buy it now, or the top high bidders or ? Anyone know how this works.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sturmey Archer Lightbulbs posted by Tom on 3/19/2002 at 6:53:36 AM
If you bid on an item and you bid $5 and want 2 items you pay $5 each. If another bidder bids $6 and he wants all but one item he gets them for $6 each and you get one at your price. This is like a regular auction and goes the full time. You can get outbid on Dutch auctions like regular auctions.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Rapide posted by: Bryant on 3/17/2002 at 10:49:48 PM
The thrift shop was having a sale on bicycles today and I picked up 2 Raleigh Rapides that were in very good condition, just dusty and neglected, for about $10. I don't think they were made in England, because they don't say so, and they do say "Made for Raleigh" on the seat tube. They look like fair bikes, Suntour drivetrain, cottered steel cranks and Alloy sidepull brakes. It also says made with Raleigh High Carbon Steel on the seat tube by the bottom bracket. Has anyone ever heard of them before??

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Rapide posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/19/2002 at 12:10:34 AM
I have a fold out sheet of Raleigh's offerings for the Canadian market and I am almost certain that the Rapide is on this sheet. It's a huge poster.

AGE / VALUE:   Philadephia English bike Show-Wen this year? posted by: Paul on 3/17/2002 at 4:38:35 PM
When is the center city bike show this year with flea market? Is flea market in same location? Please post directions coming from I95 south. Thanks.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Philadephia English bike Show-Wen this year? posted by Stacey on 3/17/2002 at 10:50:22 PM
Paul, Look at the bottom of this page or mayhaps the top of the next for the information you seek

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Philadephia English bike Show-Wen this year? posted by dafydd on 3/18/2002 at 2:05:53 PM
Info also at


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Philadephia English bike Show-Wen this year? posted by Rudge on 3/20/2002 at 6:28:38 PM
From the website (additional lodging and other details to be found there.):

The GREAT BRITISH BIKE WEEKEND (April 19, 20, & 21, 2001) is
three days to celebrate 3-speeds! Raleighs, Rudges, Robin Hoods, Dunelts, all made in England; these great English roadsters have carried millions of people to and from church, school and pub. The GBBW features rides and rallies, a swap meet, Sturmey-Archer hub workshops, and the infamous Bike and Pub Crawl! $25 registration includes admission to all events, T-shirt (before Mar 15) and map.

]Mail check/MO to
GBBW c/o Trophy Bikes
311 Market St.
Phila. PA 19106.

BRITISH BIKE SWAP (Sunday, April 21, 2001) 9am to 3pm,
at 4th and Market Streets in Old City Philadelphia.
Get together and trade bicycle parts, accessories,
and unusual items.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Philadephia English bike Show-Wen this year? posted by Rudge on 3/20/2002 at 6:31:27 PM
Sorry. last year!

I think the CR list had details for this year, I'll try to find out. Sorry for the mistake.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Philadephia English bike Show-Wen this year? posted by Rudgematch on 3/20/2002 at 8:06:58 PM
Oh, I believe those ARE the correct dates for this year, but the year date was incorrectly entered on the page.
The graphic was updated for 2002 and the dates are on a weekend... Check the webpages!

AGE / VALUE:   1959 Hopper posted by: Brian on 3/17/2002 at 4:16:49 PM
What would a really clean 1959 Hopper Sports 3-speed (not made by Raleigh) be worth? Mens 23" red frame, Gen front hub, Brooks saddle. Everything says Hopper on it, peddals, c-ring, fenders, chainguard. Kinda cool bike.

AGE / VALUE:   B 12 ? posted by: Andrew on 3/17/2002 at 12:30:15 PM
No response to previous post, the BROOKS B 12. Suprized no one knew anything about this saddle. It has huge coils ot back and one way out front, odd looking seat about 30 years old, marked B 12 with the Brooks tag?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   B 12 ? posted by Mark R. on 3/17/2002 at 7:25:35 PM
I think I remember this saddle being a motorcycle saddle. Big coil springs in back, and a large verticle coil in the front, right?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   B 12 ? posted by jim on 3/21/2002 at 4:09:12 AM
I have a Leper seat on my DL-1. It must be a B-12 copy. It is a gorgeous wine color and has the 2 big rear coils with front vertical coils. It is also fatass compliant!

AGE / VALUE:   Mistaken seller,It's a 26 inch wheel, not 28 posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/16/2002 at 5:25:52 PM
I found this to be a common mistake. They never were sure about the wheel size half the time.
I never knew until I actually saw it and had driven halfway across town.
E- bay item# Raleigh Bicycle 3 speed 28 inch, vintage old.

This is really a 26 inch cable brake "Sports" in Silver.
And here I had gotten all excited!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mistaken seller,It's a 26 inch wheel, not 28 posted by Chris on 3/16/2002 at 5:31:27 PM
Item #1082430565

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mistaken seller,It's a 26 inch wheel, not 28 posted by David on 3/18/2002 at 12:09:18 PM
I ask 'em to READ the tire size from the sidewall.

   What size wheel? They don't know! posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/18/2002 at 4:27:40 PM
0Seeing a picture on e- bay is great! No more hearing the following: I don't see so well without my glasses." "Is that a 6? I',m sorry I thought it was an 8."
"What's the diffrence.?" "If I told you it was a 26 inch wheel you might not have come over here and I wanted you to see this bike!"
"It's an antique and I only want $600.00 for it."

"I have somebody else interested in it, he really wants it!"

Still,with a picture and a description you can't check for a misaligned fork, you can't spot a hop in the wheel.And cracks, and dents can be missed.
No, dispite all I still like to see it and run my hands over it and give it the good,old fashoned look thru.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Problems with Sturmey Archer TCW lll posted by: evileye on 3/16/2002 at 5:17:52 PM
My Bicycle with a SA TCW III hub (coaster brake) is having problems and I would a opinion before I tear it down and rebuild it. In first and third there is no problem. In second gear it slips, at times, under heavy pedalling. Is something worn out or just out of adjustment? Thank-you

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Problems with Sturmey Archer TCW lll posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/16/2002 at 5:42:09 PM
I would switch the rear wheel and/ or the hub. This was not a good hub in the first place. The rate of braking depended on what gear you were in. Scare up another wheel and a rear hand brake.
You can go into this and trouble shoot and fix it, but generally what we say here is to get something else in the bike.
A used book store has bicycle repair books from the 60's and 70's and these tell you how to overhaul these hubs.
Perhaps it is out of adjustment, have you set the indicator chain correctly?
Have you looked through Sheldon Brown's site at http:/www.Sheldonbrown.com?
I think he covers this hub.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Problems with Sturmey Archer TCW lll posted by Evileye on 3/16/2002 at 9:40:02 PM
Just how bad is bad for this hub? What seems to be the problem with this hub? I'm I putting my life in danger riding on this hub???
As for rebuilding, I do have a book that shows a complete teardown and rebuilding of hubs including the TWC and AW, as well as, many others. I do have access to some N.O.S. parts from a local bike shop that unknowingly do not know the scarcity and value of this parts.
I know that the AW hub is better, but I do not see many of these SA hubs at all. As for the rear sprocket I just replaced it with a 18 tooth, totally wrong, that I salvaged from my local recycling depot but, I need to replace it with a 20 tooth. Hey,I live at the bottom of a tall, steep mountains, so to speak. Coaster brake braking is less than great with this hub,it's been a long time since I rode a bike with a coaster brake, a long time, but with enough back pedal force I can get it to lock up the rear wheel.And I can usually get myself stopped within a block or so, Or it seems so. I have to admit this brake scares me, I'm use to hand brakes front and rear.

   Re TCW hubs posted by Warren on 3/17/2002 at 2:21:12 PM
There used to be a participant on this list who would have threatened you with bodily harm if you continue to use this hub. However, he no longer graces us with his presense. The point is that this is a very flawed hub and should not be used as a daily rider. Put it on a "show" bike or save it until you get one. A wide range AW is the smart choice.

   RE:Re TCW hubs posted by Evileye on 3/17/2002 at 3:28:51 PM
That Hub is that bad? Is it? Could it be safe enough to used for juants around the city park, you know, to impress either the ladies or the oldtimers?

   RE:RE:Re TCW hubs posted by Charlie on 3/17/2002 at 3:48:18 PM
Have you considered using some clamp-on brakes that go on the frame for backup brakes in the event of the hub's failure?

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Problems with Sturmey Archer TCW lll posted by Albert on 3/17/2002 at 10:03:13 PM
"Evileye", the TCW series is a poorly designed hub the SA kept on the market long after they received reports that it was failing in use. The company marketed this hub to bicycle manufacturers who used it on cycles largely sold to youngsters; hense you will find them on small frames. Warren, in the past showing his usual ignorance, defended the company and its TCW until he shown quotes from Tony Hadland's book, The Sturmey Archer Story.
The hub will loose its braking ability if the cable is out of adjustment. The lose usually occurs when the shift control is in 2nd or 3rd gear. Check ot see if the cable is properly operating and adjusred; Sheldon" Mud-in-Your-Eye" Brown has information on his web site on how to this. Should the adjustment be proper and your problem be the result of worn parts, I would suggest that you replace your TCW's internals with those from a later SA hub, the S3C. This hub is of vastly improved design and you will not loose braking. Please feel free to e-mail me for more advice. Cheers from Philadelphia.

   Re TCW hubs posted by evileye on 3/19/2002 at 3:17:22 PM
I was considering attaching a front caliper brake for safety.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Problems with Sturmey Archer TCW lll posted by Keith on 3/20/2002 at 7:43:03 PM
Are we back to this? And is Evileye an alias (my apologies if it isn't, but it does almost seem like a setup for Darth Nader)? Anyway, yes, get another brake or two, or better yet, either permanently disable or replace the inner workings of your TCW. Bury the TCW part deep in an abandoned mine, or weld them into a wind chime.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Problems with Sturmey Archer TCW lll posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/20/2002 at 11:47:43 PM
I have an alloy hub shell labeled up "T.C.W.mk3 alloy."
The hub is bad enough but to put those innards into a alloy shell and not the standard steel sheel is strange. They stoped doing that very quickly. I have never seen another coaster brake hub with an alloy shell before or since.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Problems with Sturmey Archer TCW lll posted by Brian Hayes on 3/21/2002 at 3:36:58 AM
Am I the only one who never seems to have trouble keeping a hub adjusted? Why such bad vibes for the TCW (I don't own one, by the way)? No one seems to belittle the Fichtel and Sachs 515 Torpedo (I have one of these), which has the exact same characteristics (gear-dependent braking, and a no-gear/no brake transition from 2-3). Also, since the front brake is the primary brake, why such a fuss about a rear coaster? I almost never use the rear brake anyway - how does everyone else perform an effective, controlled emergency stop? If rear brakes are just as powerful as the front, they are still traction limited and relatively ineffective due to the physics involved. The only time I prefer using the rear brake is in slippery conditions, but that's relatively slow speed anyway. I can understand not using one with kids' bikes and as the only brake, but I just don't understand all this panic about TCWs being the bane of cyclists. Just 'cause Consumer Reports said so?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Problems with Sturmey Archer TCW lll posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 3/22/2002 at 3:31:08 PM
Anybody would be panicked when the thing is not stoping you quickly enough. A decent and effective rear brake is all important. The SC3 is better.