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Archived: English Roadsters

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is it? posted by: Pilar on 4/23/2002 at 3:43:22 AM
Help! I've become a bikespotter. A friend's mother has a black ladies 3 speed, rod brakes, Stumey-Archer hubs, rear forks bolted on, in her garage. The frame is similar and the crank is identical to a mystery bike I found in NYC 2 weeks ago. Mom says she bought hers in Harrods in 1949. The badge is half gone, name begins with (poss.)CAM........ Cycle Co, underneath it says Darlaston, England.
Any ideas on what it could be?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is it? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/24/2002 at 12:15:25 AM
Well, it isn't a Raleigh which makes it more interesting. A bit of a mystery here. I have never heard of anything being made in Darlaston, England. That means something here. You have spotted a uncomon bike. Interesting that is was sold thru Harrods too. You have me stumped on this one. If the chance to buy it comes up, go for it.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is it? posted by Tim Powell on 4/24/2002 at 3:28:04 PM
Darlaston is near Walsall in the West Midlands UK. There were several cycle factories here between the two world wars. The name could be Camberly or Cambridge, these are recorded in local history books but other than a mention there is little detail.
Good Luck.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is it? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/24/2002 at 3:54:18 PM
And people like myself who have spent twenty plus years chasing British bikes have never heard of any of this until now. Thanks Tim!

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is it? posted by Tom on 4/25/2002 at 5:01:33 AM
Chris: I have an old 1937 "CYCLING" magazine. The magazine has many bike makers some that I never heard of. Most are race style. Here is a list of them. "Three Spires", "BSA", "Humber", "Sun Cycles", "Armstrong", "Saxon", "Referee Holborn Cyclo Club", "Selfridge's Durance Cycles", "Barkers", "Dawes", The Famous James", "New Hudson Ltd", "Hurcules", "Royal Enfield", "Rudge", "Raleigh", "Claud Butler", "Benetfinks", "Grubb", "Russ Cycles", "Triumph", "Graves", "CWS Federation Cycles", "Baines". It is an amazing magazine with a lot of advertisments for everything.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is it? posted by Pilar on 4/25/2002 at 5:32:58 PM
Thanks for the info. Tim Powell, could you tell me which history books you are referring to? I found another bike with no badge that has the same crank and rear fork as the Darlaston bike but has New Departure hubs. Is there a history of small American or Canadian manufactureres using British frames ?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is it? posted by Tim Powell on 4/26/2002 at 4:23:33 PM
Darlaston whilst being close to Walsall is in the Wolverhampton area. This was a major producer of bicycles on a par with Nottingham. Go to http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/Museum/Transport/bicycles/bicycles.htm and you will find a good starting point. If you also do a search on Darlaston on the Web you will find a dozen local history societies who have copies of census returns from th 19th Century up to 1940. Thes list businesses as well as residents. I am currently researching two cycle manufacturers in my local town of Barry in South Wales UK by the same means. Many cycles were made in back street workshops at the beginning of the last century, few machines survive today as they were cheaply made for working people. Often the lugs and fittings were bought from manufacturers in the Midlands and assemmbled localy. Many cycles were made and exported to the British Empire, America north and south and Europe. I have recently bought a selection of NOS varnish fix decals from a dealer. These decals have all sorts of names on them as well as labels that say 'Made in Birmingham for'. This would indicate that machines were made and badged up for the repective country. One of the decals is for a company in South Africa! The fun is the search I find, you have to be a bit like Shelock Holmes when searching for info. Old Trade directories are good and easily available from libraries. You can Email libraries and ask them to look for you. Old magazines from the period are good, I have bought hundreds over the years, but they are difficult to read as the print is small and the sheer volume of info is daunting. The Veteran Cycle Club in the UK is also a good source of info as well. If you Email me with all the data on this cycle, and I mean everything that is written on any part, together with measurements and thread sizes, a photo if possible then I will do my best on your behalf.

Best Regards
Tim Powell

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What is it? posted by Bill Putnam on 4/26/2002 at 9:28:19 PM
Thanks Tim for the interesting info on Wolverhampton based bicycle builders. Although not listed on the web page, I have a Knight bicycle which was built in Wolverhampton in the early 70's. It is a touring/sport bicycle with full Reynolds 531. When I bought it the head tube was bell mouthed. Fortunately Knight Cycles is still in business and they replaced the head tube and repainted the bike for a very reasonable fee. So not all of the Wolverhampton bicycle builders are relegated to the history books (or web pages).

Bill Putnam

FOR SALE:   Hercules posted by: Jon on 4/23/2002 at 2:49:33 AM
I got a Hercules frame & fork for sale with Sturmey Archer 3 Speed shifting lever, Sturmey Archer seat post, chrome brake levers,crank,handlebars,pedal arms,rack,Hercules stamped nack and chain. the bike is missing fenders and rims. Very nice frame & fork. Asking $100 plus S&H.

WANTED:   26 x 1 3/8 whitewall tires posted by: John on 4/22/2002 at 9:32:20 PM
Does anybody know where I can purchase new 26 x 1 3/8 whitewall tires? Thanks, John.

   RE:WANTED:   26 x 1 3/8 whitewall tires posted by Ed on 4/23/2002 at 12:40:45 PM
You may want to look for a Kenda dealer in your area.I installed a pair on a 1972 Raleigh Sports about 5 years ago,still using them without any problems. I don't know how Kenda stacks up against other brands,but I'am happy with mine and as I recall they were quite reasonable in price.

AGE / VALUE:   NOS Bluemel Mudguard Flaps / See For Sale Section posted by: Kevin K on 4/22/2002 at 7:13:34 PM
Hi. see For sale section for details. Thanks

MISC:   British Bike Weekend posted by: Dewane on 4/22/2002 at 4:18:09 PM
Hi, anybody go to this event in Philadelphia? Enquiring minds want to know, I live in Northern Calif. I hope that everything went well.

My wife had a surprise birthday party for my 40th birthday on Saturday. Besides family, eight friends came, and three of them are working now, the rest having been laid off in the past six months. This recession has caused a bit of a problem here in Silly Valley, at least for us lower-level tech grunts. Maybe common-sense transportation such as English roadsters or Sports bicycles will make a comeback here. I'm doing my part.



   RE:MISC:   British Bike Weekend posted by Ray on 4/22/2002 at 6:52:48 PM
Yes, I was there and it was definatly a buyers show. Although this show is not big it did bring out a lot of stuff including a lot of 70 NOS in the box complete Raleigh bikes going anywhere from $250 and up. Including roadsters and racing models. A lot of parts and those great unusual older Brit bikes. I did not make the ride this year because it started at 11 and I was buying and selling and did not want to stop that early. Later in the day around 1:30 a friend and I rode around Philly on our Brit bikes and had a ball. The weather was authentic, rainy and in the 50s. I must say I did enjoy the show as I always do.

   RE:RE:MISC:   British Bike Weekend posted by Kim on 4/23/2002 at 1:09:06 PM
Re: Dewane's comment above:

"This recession has caused a bit of a problem here in Silly Valley, at least for us lower-level tech grunts. Maybe common-sense transportation such as English roadsters or Sports bicycles will make a comeback here."

I think you're on to something. These tight times (and probably soon-to-be-tighter times) might make more Americans look at a bike as transportation. These magnificent machines can cut pollution, decrease our reliance on Middleast oil and increase our health through exercise. It's true that they are not suited for long commutes or trips in bad waether, but bikes are great for getting small grocery loads, visiting nearby friends (and pubs..)...

I'm sick of seeing cyclists represented as spandex-wearing knuckleheads crashing through the forest or riding 3 abreast on the road. Maybe we'll start appreciating the value of full fenders, an upright riding position and smooth, reliable transprotation..

   RE:MISC:   British Bike Weekend posted by Ben on 4/23/2002 at 1:46:11 PM
For the first time this winter, I de-insured my car and rode to work. What a great feeling that was! I have ridden from western suburbs of Chicago to meetings downtown three times this month already!


AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Sprite posted by: George on 4/21/2002 at 3:11:41 AM
Had good luck today. Found a Raleigh Sprite with a 5-speed internal hub. Very tired but restorable. One side of rear hub has a traditional looking SA with indicator chain other side of hub has funny looking almost shimano 3 speed looking apparatus both linked up to a broken twin shifter on the top tube. Never seen one, is this bike worth anything? I'm sure it is worth more than the ten bucks I paid. I'm tall and it appears to be a 23" frame. I've only seen one other Raleigh with a tallish frame and I bought that one too. Also wondering if anyone has any ideas on what to do about the light skim of rust on this bike. I picked up a ladies Raleigh of same vintage to replace handlebars and brakes ect. The frame and fenders aren't to bad but the chain guard is. Thanks, George

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Sprite posted by Ed on 4/22/2002 at 2:52:25 AM
Sounds like a great find.I've been looking for a Sprite to add to my British collection,but no luck so far. Most of the Sprites that I've seen have been brown or Maroon in color not as difficult to match as the Raleigh green found on most Sports.Maybe you could solve your rust problem by doing some touching up of the rusty areas also I have seen chain guards in a varity of colors listed for sale on this sight under Bicycles and Parts for sale.Good luck with your Sprite. Maybe I'll get lucky and find one for sale that I can afford some day.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Sprite posted by smg on 4/22/2002 at 5:08:39 PM
The bellcrank-and-pushrod assembly on the left side of the hub identifies it as one of the original S5 models. The later S5-1 and S5-2 have a conventional indicator chain instead. See Sheldon Brown's Sturmey-Archer site for more info on the 5-speed hubs.
A few weeks back, there were a couple of sellers on eBay (Sturmey Archer and/or Raleigh sites) offering the bellcrank unit. You might want to keep an eye open there for a repeat. This part looks a little fragile and is in a pretty exposed location, so having a spare might be a good idea.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Sprite posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/22/2002 at 5:21:42 PM
The only 5 speed I ever found to be reliable was the S5/2 with the two 3 speed type pull chains.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Sprite posted by Robert on 4/23/2002 at 1:40:37 AM
Check out the LH bell crank assembly available right here on oldroads. NOS

AGE / VALUE:   How Old Is My Bike? posted by: Johnny Hawk on 4/19/2002 at 9:55:09 PM
I have a bike, it's a Raleigh badged bike with 28" wheels front and rear, single bar frame and with rod brakes. Well, my bike have a sprocket with a lot of "7" circling it, I believe it was the Raleigh symbol. It have one single speed and it's serial number is BC53180. I live in Brazil, so it maybe an export model. How old is my bike?

Johnny Hawk
Brazilian Bike Collector

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   How Old Is My Bike? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/20/2002 at 6:09:30 PM
Do you have the 3 speed Sturmey- Archer hub or a single speed hub?
If you do have a 3 speed hub, the date it was made is on the hub.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   How Old Is My Bike? posted by Mario Romano on 4/24/2002 at 12:48:42 AM
I have a single speed bike, answering your question about my Rudge badged bike...

Mario Romano

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   How Old Is My Bike? posted by Chris on 4/24/2002 at 5:30:57 PM
The reason Mario is asking how old is because there is no date stamped on the single speed hub shell. To the fustration of simgle speed bike owners everywhere.
I cannot say how old. Sorry.

Good Question: If they could stamp a date on the three speeds than why not on a single speed hub?

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   No More Swap Meets posted by: Geoff Rogers on 4/17/2002 at 11:54:20 PM
Okay, that's my last swap meet, at least as a vendor. I went to the Copake, NY meet last Friday with a load of old English 3-speeds, and once again, didn't sell one. The cheapest was priced at $40, the priciest, a rare Phillips-built Gazelle from 1940 (featuring a top-tube shifter, spearpoint front mudguard, leather racing Wrights saddle, etc.), a cool $150. That was the only one I really did not want to sell. A lot of people came by and looked but nobody wanted to buy one. I have had better luck putting a couple out on the front lawn. I did sell two pairs of 60's Raleigh pedals to a Chopper guy for $15.
The good news was, I bought three Dunlop prewar NOS 26 x 1-1/4" black enamel Endrick rims. I need a couple of these for my 30's Raleigh Record Ace, which means I will have one 32-spoke rim for trading fodder. The other two are 32 and 36 holes, so ideally I would also like to trade the 36 for a 40, in case anybody can help. I also have a NOS 28" DL-1 type 40 hole rim, some 28" Raleigh rear fenders in blue and red (really), a pair of Bluemels Popular white plastic fenders, and a Rudge gearcase, all NOS, for trade. Plus lots of 50s and 60s sports-type bikes, mostly rideable.
I need the following:
Marsh or Bailey track-style bars
stem without locking bolt
lightweight type front hub (32 spoke)
4-speed rear hub, 36 or 40 spoke
wingnuts for the wheels
wingbolts for mudguard stays
early style S-A trigger shifter with long (about 2") trigger
forged steel lightweight fluted cranks
And, for my 1950 Raleigh Superbe:
stainless 40-hole raised center rim.

Whew! Well, anybody who has any of that stuff for sale or trade, please email me. And if anybody knows why I cannot seem to sell decent English bicycles for short money at a swap meet, I would love to hear from you as well!
Next time, I will go just for fun and buy stuff without trying to sell the unsaleable.
can anybody help me date my thirties R-R-A? Its serial number does not correspond with the charts at Old Roads (nor do those of other prewar R-R-As I have studied), having no letter prefix or suffix.
Geoff Rogers

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   No More Swap Meets posted by Mark R on 4/18/2002 at 12:05:58 PM
Hey, If no one will buy great stuff like that at a swap meet, try eBay. You'd probably sell everything!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   No More Swap Meets posted by Jim on 4/18/2002 at 4:39:04 PM

Perhaps your bringing a knife to a gun fight.

Copake generally is not a great place to sell English bikes. Ballooners and muscle bikes do fairly well. But Copake is really an early bike show. The 20's and below which I'm sure you noticed there was quite a bit of there.
The show I would try with your English bikes is the Larz Anderson show in Brookline Mass this August. I've had good luck with them there. Or you could voyage out to Trexlertown for the English meet.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   No More Swap Meets posted by Ray on 4/19/2002 at 6:24:09 PM
Guys Guys, This weekend, Sunday in particular is the English bike swap meet in Philly. You should be right at home there for both buying and selling. Look it up just three or four postings down from this one.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   No More Swap Meets posted by Ed on 4/22/2002 at 3:14:52 AM
I have a 32 hole front hub that came off of a 69 Raleigh Sports that I installed a front wheel Dyno-Hub on a while back. I don't know what you mean by light weight my hub came off a 26x13/8 front wheel and,I believe it has an oil port in it. If this is what you need let me know and I will be glad to send it to you for shipping cost.I wish I had been at that swap meet I would have gladly gone into hock to buy your Gazelle.

FOR SALE:   Triumph Tenerife posted by: Jim on 4/17/2002 at 5:09:17 PM
Ebay Item # 1094206528, basic Raleigh Industries lightweight, hub is dated '70 somewhat ashamed to say it's my auction, but it is a nice bike, and I did list it here first.

MISC:   S-A S5-2 posted by: Eric Amlie on 4/16/2002 at 8:16:23 PM
Can someone give me the shift sequence for a Sturmey Archer S5-2 five speed hub? It is the 5 speed model that uses two shifters and two index chains. Thanks!

   RE:MISC:   S-A S5-2 posted by smg on 4/17/2002 at 4:31:29 PM
The right-side shifter controls the basic 3-speed shift function: back/low - center/direct - ahead/high. The left side switches the hub from narrow range to wide range. Back position is narrow range, forward is wide. It has no effect on middle gear, only on high and low.
Note that the left side has an opposite effect depending on whether you are in low or high on the right side. Going to wide range in low gear gives you the lower low gear; wide range in high gives you the higher high.
If you want to run through the gears in sequence, they are:
1st/lower low: Left shift forward, right shift back
2nd/higher low: Left shift back, right shift back
3rd/middle: Left shift either position, right shift center
4th/lower high: Left shift back, right shift forward
5th/higher high: Left shift forward, right shift forward

Good luck. I've been using an S5/1 for commuting with great success that past couple of months. To me, the S5 wants to be geared very low. I don't think I would want a middle gear higher than 54" even in level country, in order to keep the higher high from being too high to be useful.

   RE:MISC:   S-A S5-2 posted by Bill Putnam on 4/17/2002 at 5:49:12 PM
I agree with the suggestion for low gearing, a 54" middle
gear is approximately what I use and I find it to be a
good comprimise. If I need to I can still spin up to 30 mph(around 130 rpm), and the low is enough to pull a 2 & 4 year
old in a trailer up a 5% grade.

A second suggestion is to use two standard 3 speed triggers
rather than the ones originally supplied with the hub. I dissassembled and ground off the middle detent for the left
cable to provide adequate cable travel.

   RE: Thanks! posted by Eric Amlie on 4/18/2002 at 2:40:40 PM
Thanks for the info and the advice, and hello to my friend Bill Putnam.

AGE / VALUE:   English head badge posted by: sam on 4/15/2002 at 10:40:25 PM

AGE / VALUE:   Wyman posted by: sam on 4/15/2002 at 3:38:29 PM
Everybody please go one step up to the Hi-Wheeler group and read Jim W.s post.This could be an exciting event and needs all of our support.And this roadester "die hard ride the old way love history"group I think will be behind their effort all the way---sam

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great British Bike Weekend Update posted by: Michael McGettigan on 4/15/2002 at 1:41:12 PM
Some last-minute Great British Bike Weekend news:
1) David C., of New England, says he'll be coming down in a truck with more than a dozen NOS, boxed Raleigh 3-spds and road bikes (Records, SuperCourses and Internationals), as well as some Raleigh bags, jerseys and display materials. They'll all be on sale at the Brit Bike Swap, Sun., 4/21 9am-2pm, 319 Market St. Phila.

2) The Bike and Pub Crawl will NOT be sponsored by the GBBW--BUT it will be happening--all are welcome.

3) If you can't make the whole event, try to attend Sunday's two free events: the Brit Bike Swap on Sun. morning, and on Sunday afternoon(also 4/21), the Brit Bike Photo Op--which is basically--show up on an English 3-speed at the steps of the Philadelphia Art Museum at 5pm, line up for a group "graduation picture" and then enjoy a leisurely ride down the Ben Franklin Parkway.

4) It looks to be a pretty diverse bunch of riders, with folks already registered from CT, MA, VT, NC, NJ, PA, NY, CA, MN and elsewhere! Registration and everything else centers around Trophy Bikes, 311 Market St. in Old City. (215.625.7999)

As always, this event is limited to bicycles made in England--which cuts it down to 150 million or so choices!

McG/GBBW/Trophy Bikes

ps-- for a bit of background, check www.trophybikes.com/events

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great British Bike Weekend Update posted by Albert on 4/16/2002 at 3:34:32 PM
I would suggest that readers go to McGettigan's web page and decide for. for themselves the degree of separation that exists betwwen the bike and pub crawl and the afore mentioned.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great British Bike Weekend Update posted by Ben on 4/17/2002 at 1:42:41 AM

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great British Bike Weekend Update posted by Stacey on 4/17/2002 at 3:24:01 AM
Almost 26 hours. Frankly I'm surprised it to that long. GROAN! Will it never cease?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great British Bike Weekend Update posted by Mark R on 4/17/2002 at 12:10:42 PM
Please don't get drunk and hurt anyone! But, if you want to attend the "crawl" please go right ahead and enjoy yourself!

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great British Bike Weekend Update posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 4/17/2002 at 2:56:00 PM
I won't be able to make it, some garbage usually pops up so I don't get to these events and this year is no diffrent with a transmission acting up. If somehow I could, I wouldn't go on the Pub crawl anyways, as I do not drink.

The swap meet, the photo's, meeting fellow Brit bike collectors, showing off your bike. Getting a chance to buy a N.O.S. International? It sounds great. Even if you like a pub crawl, I would step back and let this one happen without you. I am not a crystal ball reader, there is no neon "flashing eye" above my door. Still,the Pub Crawl? I have a baaad feeling with it. Rock on with the rest of it, but find something else to do instead of the crawl. It likely will be a beautiful day.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great British Bike Weekend Update posted by Chris on 4/17/2002 at 3:04:11 PM
I always go with a gut feeling, turn left instead of right for no reason whatsoever, purely on intuition. Sometimes it's common sense. Other times it's unexplained. A friend said "Oh Chris, you wouldn't believe what happened right after you left us!" Sometimes I'm wrong too, but the inner feeling or 'third eye' has really saved my tail!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great British Bike Weekend Update posted by Ben on 4/18/2002 at 2:11:55 AM
Yes, I imagine the local police have heard the alarm at least as much as we have.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Great British Bike Weekend Update posted by Steve on 4/19/2002 at 11:53:09 PM
Oh, man, I wish I knew about this earlier! I grew up in Philadelphia (I'm now in CA), and would love to go back for something like this. Even more frustrating, my wife and son are going to Philadelphia this weekend on college visits. I could've gone too. Sigh.

As a person who has been to the UK many times, I can assure you that most Brits would find the above skepticism about the pub crawl incomprehensible. Pubs are the centers of community life in many parts of the UK. I think it sounds great.

Is this an annual thing? If so, maybe next year...

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Great British Bike Weekend Update posted by Stacey on 4/20/2002 at 11:13:35 AM
Yes, this is an annual event. Check back at the Trophy site early next year for information on the next "weekend". Mike has posted press releases for the event on this forum since probably February, if not before. These have unceasingly been the fuel for grand bursts of rhetorical diatribe from its detractors.

There has been greater debate stimulated by the announcement of the pub crawl than there would be at the suggestion that in lght of the storm of sexual impropriety allegations against it, the Catholic Church be banned from US soil.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Great British Bike Weekend Update posted by Albert on 4/20/2002 at 7:42:22 PM
The only thing truely incomprehensible, Steve, is how you can make such a comment. Had you ever cycled with one of the C.T.C.'s district associations, you would be aware that drinking DURING a ride is unheard of!

Perhaps McGettigan will return to this site and share with us the letter he received from Mothers Against Drunk Driving? Or yet again, maybe he will share with us the telephone call he received from the director of the Bicycle Coalition of the Delaware Valley. Or how about the call he received from the Philadelphia Police Dept. ; maybe he will share that conversation with us.

I hope those particapating in the"crawl" will enjoy themselves and have a good time with other roadster enthusiasts.

Philadelphia's downtown streets are narrow and heavily used on weekends. It is my hope that all will be sensible and WALK their bikes. Cheers from Philadelphia.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Great British Bike Weekend Update posted by Stacey on 4/20/2002 at 11:07:14 PM

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great British Bike Weekend Update posted by Ben on 4/22/2002 at 10:56:11 PM
How bizarre that Albert's sign-off is "cheers"

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great British Bike Weekend Update posted by Albert on 4/23/2002 at 11:19:19 AM
Ben, you must be too recently recovered from adolescent acne to understand how the adult world feels about the irresposible use of alcohol. Cheers to you all your fellow trailer-park neighbors

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great British Bike Weekend Update posted by Stacey on 4/23/2002 at 12:55:40 PM
A grand assumption on your part Albert that the consumption at the "Pub Crawl" would be irresponsible. Oh, I get it! In your pathetic, oppressive, meglomaniatic, little mind... all alcohol consumption is irresponsible.

Why don't you go away and leave the NICE people here alone? Go pee in someone elses cornflakes you impotent little

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great British Bike Weekend Update posted by Ben on 4/23/2002 at 1:42:33 PM
I don't think anyone here advocates the irresponsible use of alcohol, Albert. If you were capable of listening, you might have realized that the first day.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great British Bike Weekend Update posted by Albert on 4/23/2002 at 2:44:42 PM
Ben, find someone to help you read the following: Cycling, stopping for a drink, cycling again, again stopping for another drink, hopping back on your bike to continue cycling for bit, another pause for another drink, then again back on your bike...

Well if you think that's the responsible use of alcohol , you probably think Stacey is a great thinker. Cheers from Philadelphia!

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great British Bike Weekend Update posted by Stacey on 4/23/2002 at 4:45:43 PM
Albert sez: "Math iz harde" By his quote that's three, count'em (3) drinks! Now let's estimate the ride to be three hours. That's one drink an hour. These same studies that Albert so fondly proclaims the horrors od Demon Rum, will also show that three "drinks" over a three hour period of time will not render the AVERAGE drinker impared.

Lemmings, who refuse to THINK, line up behind Albert... the cliff is just over the next rise.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great British Bike Weekend Update posted by Ben on 4/23/2002 at 6:50:41 PM
Last time I checked, imbibing was not a requirement of this ride, much less a drink per stop. Second, Albert, you are doing nothing for your cause here by continuing to insult those that do not agree to the letter with your opinions.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great British Bike Weekend Update posted by ALBERT on 4/24/2002 at 11:05:02 AM
Ben, immediately find a mirror and on looking into it say the word SCHMUK three times. Cheers from Philadelphia!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Great British Bike Weekend Update posted by Ben on 4/24/2002 at 12:10:20 PM
Hilarious! I'm saving all these excellent jibes so I can use them next time I get in an argument at the pub!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   His & Hers Humberts posted by: Tommy on 4/15/2002 at 7:37:55 AM
Scored a set of bikes, 04/1972 Humberts in garage kept condition. 26" both bikes W/ Brooks leather seats & touring packs and bosses and pumps. 3 speed Sturmey Archers. Anyone know the value of these??? Mens is "copper" colored and the Ladies is dark green. Thanks, new to the posting, Tommy

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   His & Hers Humberts posted by Tommy on 4/17/2002 at 4:46:51 AM
You're right, they are Humbers..My error.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   His & Hers Humberts posted by David on 4/16/2002 at 2:51:06 AM
I assume these are "Humbers" and not "Humberts." (Maybe Lolita will ride the girl's model) If these are in pretty good shape you might get $100 each if you tried hard.

AGE / VALUE:   Great British Bike Weekend posted by: dafydd on 4/14/2002 at 7:16:26 PM
Is anyone here attending the GBBW? I'd like the chance to meet some of you. I live in Philly so I will be there.