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Archived: English Roadsters

MISC:   Brooks B66 adjustment posted by: David on 5/25/2002 at 1:25:26 PM
I mounted a B66 on my old DL1 and I noticed it's saggy; I can feel the wire stays under the leather. Everyone warns against overtightening the adjuster on these. Any advice on how much I should tighten it? Just enough to get my tail off the wires?

AGE / VALUE:   Bicycle Show Boston, MA posted by: Joe on 5/25/2002 at 3:18:38 AM
Bicycle show. Sullivan Square 1 Mile north of Downtown Boston. Please email me with question. The show is free to all.

MISC:   MY BICYCLE RESTAURATION BUSINESS HOMEPAGE AT THE WEB posted by: Mario Romano on 5/24/2002 at 11:54:08 PM
Hey Pals,

I writ for to invict yours for give a look at my internet homepage. This page is dedicated for my little restauration business concerning Humbers, Raleighs, Rudges and Goricke bicycles. The problem is that homepage are written in portuguese, but, visit the homepage just for sign my guestbook or send me an e-mail, I will like it very much!

the page is... http://ciganobikes.vilabol.uol.com.br/index.html

Thanks a lot,

Mario Romano

I do not writ an english version of my homepage because my english (writting) is not so good.

   RE:MISC:   MY BICYCLE RESTAURATION BUSINESS HOMEPAGE AT THE WEB posted by paul on 5/25/2002 at 12:33:55 AM
Mario: I went to your website but I am sorry the only message there is in Portuguese "nao encontramos a pagina que voce procura" sincerely, Paul

   RE:RE:MISC:   MY BICYCLE RESTAURATION BUSINESS HOMEPAGE AT THE WEB posted by Mario Romano on 5/27/2002 at 4:36:30 PM
Try it!

Thanks by the interest,


p.s.the phrase you told me means "we don't found the page you looking for!".

   RE:MISC:   MY BICYCLE RESTAURATION BUSINESS HOMEPAGE AT THE WEB posted by Marko on 5/28/2002 at 12:45:30 AM
Hej Mario! Kio okazas cxi tie? Mi ne povas legi la Portugalan Lingvon, do la pagxo signifas nenion! cxu la pagxo ekzistas en la Anglan?

   RE:RE:MISC: Sick of not knowing the worlds languages posted by Chris on 5/28/2002 at 9:07:53 PM
Launguge! I'm sick of it! Where in the heck is the "Universal Translator"? Do you know what time it is? It's late! All these computers and why are we not wearing little computerized boxes that translate laungauge? I wanna ask the hottie out and I can't if I don't speak her laungauge! Think of all the babes to mess about with! A whole new field of opportunity. When the Arab men look at my sister and jabber betweeen themselves switching between English and Arabic and laughing.
I wanna know what they are saying.

When the Chinese women babble between themselves when I ask a question in English. The grin at me and jabber. Actually, they are not jabbering but speaking but to me because I am ignorant they are jabbering.

What Marko just said, I have no idea!
They could be saying "bring out more rice and Peking Duck or insulting me and saying that I am fat and disgusting. One of them may think I'm hot and wanna date? How will I know If I don't speaka the langauge.

Look, invent something that takes in the speech, process it, determine what toungue it is, repeat it to me in a earphone and then I answer in English and this device repeats it back to them in whatever language they speak.
Indian, Chinese, Arabic, French, German, Portugese, Whatever! I cannot buy your bike or marry your sister without it.
Cell phones are nothing compared to this?

Really, Im gonna piece together a prototype and go on CNN!

   RE:RE:MISC:   MY BICYCLE RESTAURATION BUSINESS HOMEPAGE AT THE WEB posted by chris on 5/28/2002 at 9:12:37 PM
I'm too lazy to look this up! I'll just nodd my head and say "Ok!"

Looks good, what it says on the page I don't know! What no computer program to change it to English?
Why not? We have spell check available!
I'll talk to George about getting some venture capital.

Recently some persons at this site lowered the importance or commercial value of an restaured original Raleigh bicycle and now say who buy an chinese copy is a nice thing for to do!!! Hey pals, for me and by the logic, an REAL Raleigh, restaured or not, have an collection value much more greater than an chinese copy. Why real english roadsters fans need to buy chinese copies? Is better have no one bicycle than have one modern bad quality copy!


While I do agree that Raleigh bicycles are probably better built than their Chinese counterparts, I think you're missing the point here. Don't obsess over collector's value. Have fun with the damn bike, don't treat it like a museum piece. Go out and play!!!

Thanks for listening.

yes, having a vintage Roadster worth several hundred dollars is great, I've got one, but there is something also great about buying a new one with the classy look for $100! one you can ride and bang around on and not worry too much about scratching. I have a friend who is collecting these Chinese cycles, I'll have to say some are very nice looking machines. There not competition for the english bikes, just a evolution of the species. The noble Raleigh roadsters were the work horses of the early to mid 20th century, my DL-1 keeps my memory alive, now China has the torch.

AGE / VALUE:   Shimano article in Bicycle Retailer magazine posted by: chris on 5/24/2002 at 8:51:41 PM
Oh, No. It's real. This months issue of Bicycle Retailer magazine supposidly has an article about Shimano and internal gear hubs.
The owner wont let it out of his sight. Too much "private industry related information" to let fall into unenlightened hands.

Being an enthusiast and not a shop owner I'll never see the article, nor will most of us. Pick up all the Shimano 333 spares you can, anything internal hub.

Something's up.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Shimano article in Bicycle Retailer magazine posted by David on 5/25/2002 at 1:43:14 PM
Here's some relevant (?) links to the Bicycle Retailer website.


There's an implication that Shimano's internally-geared hub biz may be in trouble, but it sure isn't clear.


AGE / VALUE:   Please watch out for crazy city bus drivers! posted by: Chris on 5/24/2002 at 5:54:37 PM
Im right alongside the curb all proper and legal like. I opened up the door and then pulled it half way back. I was gonna jump out of the car! I paused for no reason. If I hadn't pulled the door back she would have taken off the door!
If I had jumped out, it would have been a very, very, bad day in the city for me. Lemme see... No, I would have died right there! WHOOSH! This crazed city bus driver comes within a inch of me and it's doing 60 plus! Im all dusty, and soot covered from exhaust. Still I'm alive! The shop gave me free candy, said it was good to see me again, and said to "be careful next time" It was either death or more life. I can just see the driver and the folks on the bus going "Aw, ya missed the sucker!"
Another bus hit the fellow waiting for the bus at the stop. The guy was knocked over by the bus mirror! People get killed!
There was no reason for her to be so far over. Next time, If I dare go there again, I'm parking up on the curb snug against the brick wall! Came out of nowhere too. Dying words would be (if any possible) "document, sue 'em good!" I wanna hear the camera shutter snapping as I lay dying in the street!
I know I'd be a better bus driver myself! You think about cars and bikes but what about the bus?

   RE:AGE / VALUE: just stay home, have it delivered posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/24/2002 at 6:34:35 PM
The little sign by the door at the used classic bookstore says "Watch out for bikes!"
Folks ride on the sidewalk and hit people stepping out of business. They are on the sidewalk because it is not safe to ride in the street!
Seeing everybody and their mother repeatedly run the stop signs is gotta be messing my mind all up somehow. It can't be good to see that. Then a cop appears, all spiffy in blue, black and white. he's sitting, hiding out and reels in a bunch of folks and order is restored. All is right in the universe again, thanks to the peace officer with the smoking pen!
Lemme see... If he goes thru the sign and I think I have the right of way so I'm out there and we run into each other... No, not good.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: just stay home, have it delivered posted by Chris on 5/24/2002 at 9:00:01 PM
Good rule of thumb is to wait a couple of seconds and not take off the second the light changes. Giv it a moment and look to see if somebody is going to come through. Believe that they will because they do.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: just stay home, have it delivered posted by Chris on 5/28/2002 at 8:53:20 PM
I keep thinking of that scene from the movie "Ghost"
Where he's in the subway trying to learn how to move things with his mind. The other ghost is telling him

"You don't have a body son! It's all up in here now!"
( At least it will be all in the head because it sure isn't there now!)
The scene where the ghost breaks the cigarette machine and the cigs are all scattered about but he can't smoke them because he's dead! He's going "I'd give anything for a drag, just one drag!"

So if you see bikes rolling along without a rider, it might be me. If I go before my time and if the evil demons don't carry me off like Willy or Carl.

AGE / VALUE:   Lighting set for dynohub posted by: Ben on 5/24/2002 at 12:19:26 PM
OK, now I've got my Dynohub wheel built and a special filter/recharger system built, but my old Miller lighs are grounded on the frame, which will not work. Rather than go to the trouble of converting the Miller stuff, is there a lighting setupavailable that is already wired for the Dynohub application? Style match with '59 Phillips roadster is preferred but not crucial.

Thanks in advance,


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Lighting set for dynohub posted by Ian on 5/25/2002 at 11:21:32 AM
Ben, I will check tomorrow in daylight but I am sure I have at least one bike with one wire of the hub grounded to the frame and the lights also earthed that works fine. I don't see any reason why you have to use a wire return. Regards,Ian.

AGE / VALUE:   Lighting set for dynohub posted by: Ben on 5/24/2002 at 12:19:26 PM
OK, now I've got my Dynohub wheel built and a special filter/recharger system built, but my old Miller lighs are grounded on the frame, which will not work. Rather than go to the trouble of converting the Miller stuff, is there a lighting setupavailable that is already wired for the Dynohub application? Style match with '59 Phillips radster is preferred but not crucial.

Thanks in advance,


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Trying on men's and women's roadsters for size posted by: David Poston on 5/24/2002 at 5:27:32 AM
When choosing a men's vs. a women's frame, do you have to take into account more than the frame size (i.e. distance from center of crankshaft to top of seat tube)?

In other words, supposing that the frame sizes are equal, will the wheel base be the same or different? Will the handlebars be in more or less the same position?

Practically speaking, if I "wear" a 21" men's frame and then try a 21" women's frame, will it feel about the same or will I feel cramped?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Trying on men's and women's roadsters for size posted by Jeff R on 5/24/2002 at 12:03:57 PM
I have found that The womans frame usually is a shorter distance between the seat post and the steering stem.This means you sit in a more upright position.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   More on rod brakes & cable brakes posted by: David Poston on 5/24/2002 at 4:53:45 AM
What's the history of rod brakes? Did all "roadsters" originally have these in the early days? When did they introduce cable brakes?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: More on rod brakes & cable brakes posted by bill on 5/24/2002 at 4:46:36 PM
I can tell you that rod brakes go back to the very early 1900s.
I have both WW1 and WW2 bicycles with them on. I have also a WW2 BSA with cable breaks. I believe that most bicycles that were produced for heavy continual use were made with rod brakes well into the 60s and 70s... British Royal Mail, Police, Military bicycles to name a few examples.


AGE / VALUE:   Hercules Women's Roadster posted by: R. Callaway on 5/24/2002 at 2:58:41 AM
I have a Woman's English (Hercules) Roadster that I would like to sell to an interested collector of vintage bicycles. Still has the original paint. Reasonable offers please. Thank You Very Much.

AGE / VALUE:   Any guesses? posted by: sam on 5/24/2002 at 2:34:02 AM
Ran across this on ebay and was wondering if anyone knows what it might go to? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1831108731 I've seen that chainring on English bikes but this one is skiptooth

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Any guesses? posted by dafydd on 5/25/2002 at 1:48:39 AM
Looks like a Williams track crank, a guess anyhow.

FOR SALE:   So you want to buy a Chinese roadster posted by: Pravin on 5/24/2002 at 12:47:49 AM

If anyone is interested, I found a place that has Flying Pigeons (English-style Roadster made in China) for sale. $100 for a bike(shipping and handling included)

Here's the website:


   RE:FOR SALE:   So you want to buy a Chinese roadster posted by P.C. Kohler on 5/24/2002 at 3:48:30 AM
Thanks-- interesting site. Can't beat those prices but true to their domestic clientele, I see the largest frame size is only 22 inches with a 28" wheel dia! Here in Washington, I live not too far from Chinese Embassy. Several times groups of Chinese men have seen me ride by on my DL-1 and looked askance--- perhaps thinking it's a Flying Pidgeon. No, it's a Regal Raleigh!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:FOR SALE:   So you want to buy a Chinese roadster posted by Robert on 5/24/2002 at 12:45:36 PM
Before anyone gets carried away, I contacted these folks because they are only about 90 miles away. If I remember correctly, the "some assembly required" was far more than just bolting on the wheels. They were not very clear on this but some roadsters that have been imported were disassembled "completely". I do not remember if that was the case with these.

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   So you want to buy a Chinese roadster posted by Chris on 5/24/2002 at 5:04:17 PM
Don't do it. It's like chosing the Buick over the Acura Legend.

   RE:FOR SALE:   So you want to buy a Chinese roadster posted by Marko on 5/24/2002 at 9:14:51 PM
Hey! It's only 99 bucks. Give it a shot! If you have a lot of assembly, so what? Assemble the sucker, ride it a while, and then give us all a DETAILED report. Heck you could sell it on eBay and probably get your money back.
I'd go for it.

   RE:FOR SALE:   So you want to buy a Chinese roadster posted by Marko on 5/24/2002 at 9:17:32 PM
And besides, if it's OK then you'll be happy, right? If it's a piece of junk, well they make great boat anchors :-0

   RE:FOR SALE:   So you want to buy a Chinese roadster posted by Kevin C. on 5/26/2002 at 10:32:40 AM
For $100 (and probably less) you can get a genuine Raleigh if you look around a little. Many past writers here have talked about how worthless the Chinese and Indian DL-1 knockoffs are. Granted, they're new, but, then again, so was the Yugo.

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   So you want to buy a Chinese roadster posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/28/2002 at 8:37:54 PM
Chinese bikes( or anything not straight from good old Nottingham) are good for:

28 X 1 1/2 Westwood rims!! Indian made rims kick origonal Raleigh butt!

tires, some available in whitewall, or all white
Dutch Gazelle tires will fit Raleigh rims, they are beautiful!

Enclosed chainguards, parts for these chainguards.
rear racks, decent, really usable rear racks are made today in Indian ,Taiwan, China, e.t.c.
mascots flags e.t.c.

replacement spindles
axle cones


not much else


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sports Brakes,Continued posted by: Dick on 5/23/2002 at 10:11:36 PM
Thanks to those that offered help on my brake problem which I posted on 5/22. I tried lubricating parts and bending springs and the front brake is now working fine.
However, the rear brake is still not working correctly and perhaps a little better explanation of the problem might help shed light on the cause.

I removed the brake pads and observed the movement of the calipers when squeezing the brake control.
The caliper arm to which the cable is anchored, i.e., the one which controls the pad on the left side of the wheel, moves in direct correlation to the movement of the brake control lever. Simply stated, it moves a lot. Conversely, the caliper arm to which the adjustment barrel is mounted, i.e., the which controls the pad on the right side of the wheel, barely moves at all. If you simply squeeze the calipers together with your fingers (both pads removed) there does not appear to be anything binding or dragging. It just seems like there is some fundamental geometry issue, yet I know these brakes were working.

Hardware is assembled as follows:
Immediately under the head of the mountoing bolt is the caliper to which the cable is anchored. Below this is the other caliper with the adjusting barrel. They are both on a collar/washer. The spring is held between this outer collar and a grooved collar. The bolt then passes through the frame cross member, the fender bracket and a washer which fits into groove on mounting bolt and finally is the nut. It all looks in accordance with the Raleigh exploded diagrams on OldRoads.com.

Once again, HELP!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sports Brakes,Continued posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/23/2002 at 11:29:33 PM
Imagine Chris taking the thing off and it's flying throught the air, hits the wall and it bounces back into the trash bin!
Look for another brake. Stop and go back to it another time. You have me stumped, these get ornery when out of adjustment or if it needs oil on pivot points.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sports Brakes,Continued posted by dafydd on 5/24/2002 at 1:20:23 AM
I recently had the exactly same frustrating problem after having to readjust my rear brake for a narrower rim (alloy, bring on the rain!). I could not adjust it by loosening the pivot bolt and trying to center it by hand. After several fruitless attempts, I tried the hammer and drift method. Frankly, I couldn't see how this would work, given that the groved collar should not rotate, but I was desperate. It didn't at first, but then after I loosened the pivot bolt, it worked, it sits perfect now! Might be worth a try.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sports Brakes,Continued posted by Jeff R on 5/25/2002 at 12:21:11 PM
Stand behind the bike and look at the rear brake and pull the lever. You will see the cable slide up into the cable sheath and the left caliper move toward the rim. When it touches the rim, the right caliper will then start to move toward the rim. They will not move simultaneously. This is because the cable sheath, which is clamped to the top tube, is stiff and preventes the right side caliper from moving untill it has something to pull against, like the left caliper after it touches the rim. Adjust the spring tension so the right caliper does not touch the rim and then adjust the cable adjuster untill the left caliper just clears the rim. The front brake is less affected because the cable is not clamped to the frame and can float more freely.

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh model numbers posted by: P.C. Kohler on 5/23/2002 at 7:28:54 PM
DL1 = 'Tourist'
DL22= 'Sports'
DL24= 'Superbe'
DL32= 'LTD'

etc. etc.

Stupid question: What does the 'DL' stand for? If anything?

   Raleigh Superbe posted by David Poston on 5/24/2002 at 4:17:44 AM
When did they stop making Raleigh Superbes? I haven't heard much talk of these, but I think I would kill for one like on Sheldon Brown's website.

   RE:Raleigh Superbe posted by Edward in Vancouver on 5/24/2002 at 2:23:36 PM
I've seen a women's Superbe displayed in a local bikeshop. Both the GH6 and the AW bear a 1972 date. This one was made in Canada, though, and quality was cheap. Brooks plastic mattress seat, stamped fork drop-outs, cheap cable hardware,brake levers had those weird self adjusting thingees, but it came with a Prestube minor rear rack and a S.A. lighting set.
Edward in Vancouver

   RE:RE:Raleigh Superbe posted by P.C. Kohler on 5/24/2002 at 4:05:18 PM
The 'Superbe' (love that extra e on the end!) was withdrawn from the Raleigh N. America range c. 1976-77. Remember that 'Superbe' had more to do with the extra 'bits' tacked on so it was essentially a 'Sports' with a rear carrier, Dynohub (front), Stumey-Archer lamps, B-33 Brooks saddle and the lockable fork. It also came in one colour (at least from what I've seen): Bronze Green. Now of course there were also 'Superbe' roadsters in the 1950s with the same extras just on a DL-1 frame. The last 'Superbe' roadster is one of the most coveted of all time: the entirely chromium plated (honest!) 'boss bike' that was exported to Africa at least through the 1970s. The only photo I've seen of this is in the Pelican history of cycling.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:Raleigh Superbe posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/24/2002 at 5:10:40 PM
Chrome plated Superbe's are out there in small numbers. A couple of these recently appeared on e- bay awhile ago.
The Superbe is a great bike no doubt. Still, I would rather be out on something like this Superbe that has 531 tubing in it. Something like a Reg Harris Road model Lenton Sports. Same frame as the Sports and Supurbe only lighterweight. The decals are more cool too.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:Raleigh Superbe posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 5/24/2002 at 5:41:10 PM
When you go through the whole range of "club bikes" you will find one maybe more of the Superbe type frames wearing a Raleigh, Rudge, Humber or whatever badge and decals and the best decal is the Reynolds 531. Also things that make the bike better are Blumels lightweight mudguards, alloy parts like kickstands, handlebar bends or stems, seatposts e.t.c.
How about another type Sturmey- Archer hub instead of the basic A.W.? The whole club range of bikes had F.M. four speeds, F.W.'s and a whole host of other hubs. Alloy shells too. Theres "basic" and then "very special"

It's always wonderful to find a Sports or a Superbe but there's no question the "club bike" is more trick.
Sheldon Brown has a piece written about "club bikes"
People love the Raleigh Sorts and Supurbe! Also most folks never knew about a "club bike" existing. Alloy rims, alloy hubs, either. I tell him the rims are alloy in the Sports and next thing he's writting down "Sheldon Brown, Harris Bikes, alloy 26 X 1 3/8 rims, order!"
better braking, lightweight, and rust free! Lets hope these rims don't vanish out of the order books.

What is so wonderful about the Sports and Supurbe is that it is a basic diamond frame commuter bike with upright handlebars. It's a classic, great bike. Just ride along endlessly with the hub going click, click, click. Kinda loping along at a casual pace. Tires that don't have a tread that works against you like a mountain bike tread. The tires on a Sports or Superbe are a gift from the gods! basic commuter tread. A comfortable riding position. A bike, a picnic lunch, a sunny day and good fun- loving company. Later on, the Superbe came in Coffee color. Still, I prefer green.
The colors of the club bikes were nicer. You never saw Lenton Green( or Raleigh Chopper Flamboyant Green)on a Sports or Superbe. But with a club bike, yes.
You really must attend a swap meet,look at everything! seek out the one or two booth that has the really special stuff. It's wearing a 500.00 price tag, but boy is it nice! Leaving the garage with the bike? just bought it? look for that tool kit, oil can, original paperwork, tire pump, patch kit. Stop and think. You can oggle the prize later.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Raleigh Superbe posted by smg on 5/24/2002 at 6:29:48 PM
Christopher's mention of club bikes opens up another very tasty subject for David Poston to consider. Go to a site called "Ninesprings" for a collection of club bikes. One of them - a 1949 Raleigh "Record-Ace" inspired me to a continuing project to build a replica. A drop-bar internal-hub lightweight can be very seductive. . .!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Raleigh Superbe posted by P.C. Kohler on 5/24/2002 at 6:56:59 PM
Chris, you ARE whetting my appetite! English Club Cycles are great; those wonderful close-ratio Sturmey-Archer hubs with the wingnuts (marked 'SA' of course!)... I bought a pile of old 'Cycling' magazines c. 1936 in England wanting to read wonderful old adverts for roadsters etc. Forget it! No one ever advertised fuddy-duddy roadsters even then... but page after page of adverts for Lenton Sports, BSA and all sorts of custom jobs. Serious road machines with hub gears. And expensive too. A lot of chaps used these machines to get to work judging from photos of going home time at shipyards like Harland & Wolff and Cammell Lairds.

Me, I would be happy just to fill out the order form on the Brooks adverts for every single one of their wonderful leather saddle bags!

P.C. Kohler