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Archived: English Roadsters

MISC:   INVITATION posted by: Mario Romano on 7/2/2002 at 3:02:37 PM
Dear Friends,

Recently I finished the updating of my homepage with my bicycles photos and now I want to invite everybody for give a little look at the homepages I list below...

WWW.GARFAO.CJB.NET (my Cruiser chopper homepage)

This pages are recently updated with some photos I taked from my bicycles. The photos could be very small, but in the future I will correct it.

Thanks a lot,

again Mario Romano

MISC:   Real English Cycling/Tricycling posted by: Ian on 7/2/2002 at 10:13:50 AM
Check this auction out for something really different in the way of an English ride. I have an earlier English tricycle of unknown make with an Abingdon differential and fixed wheel drive. Beleive me these things are a whole new experience compared with riding a two wheeler. Not my auction, no relation etc, I'm on the other side of the world! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2118183745

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynohub 36-hole spoke lacing posted by: Bill Smith on 7/2/2002 at 3:36:29 AM
Can anyone help with spoke lacing instructions to lace my 36-hole front Dynohub into a Raleigh 26" 36-spoke rim?

It was laced into a non-Raleigh 36-spoke rim and I have all the spokes. Just need the diagram or lacing instructions!

Any advice welcome.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynohub 36-hole spoke lacing posted by Peter on 7/2/2002 at 10:56:24 AM
Bill - you can get the official Raleigh wheel building instructions from Randy Gordon-Gilmore's web page at : -


I have written the word 'tilde' because I think it does not survive this site. I'd be interested to hear how it goes, as I have a 32 hole Raleigh wheel with dynohub with a rim that has gone off centre - it has gone 'dished' when it shouldn't be. I think I have to rebuild it, but have not tackled a wheel with a dynohub before. regards, Peter.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynohub 36-hole spoke lacing posted by Bill Smith on 7/2/2002 at 11:41:37 AM
Peter -- Thanks. I'm familiar with Randy's page and have discovered that it covers only 40-hole and 32-hole rims.
I suppose the 36-hole didn't come until later. My rim and Dynohub are both from an early 70s Raleigh Colt.

I think I can figure out how to do the 36-hole from these instructions (starting with 9 spokes each 3 holes apart instead of 8 as for the 32-hole or 10 as for the 40-hole) but I hate to wing it on my first wheelbuilding effort!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynohub 36-hole spoke lacing posted by Stacey on 7/2/2002 at 1:31:00 PM
Bill, you can find a top noctch set of instructions on Sheldon's web site... including links to some excellent spoke length calculators.

Six months ago I looked at my first rim and hub in total stupification, using the above resources, I've gone from a build time of over 2 hours on my first wheel to all laced up and ready for truing in about 20 min. I must have done eight or ten wheels since... a great way to relax from the grease and grime.

Good luck!

AGE / VALUE:   Downtube shifters posted by: dafydd on 7/2/2002 at 1:05:39 AM
Has anyone had luck running indexed downtube shifters for a SA hub?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Downtube shifters posted by Edwrd in Vancouver on 7/2/2002 at 10:46:36 PM
For the h. of it, I once tried some late 80's Shimano Sis 105 shifters with a 70's AW hub, no go. The S.A.needs a certain amount of cable travel per shift which the indexed shifters don't match. There might be some difference between differnt manufacturers, maybe there might be a shifter out there that does put out the same amount of cable. I hesitate to use friction shifters on a S.A hub as well, cause if you overshift....well, it would be painfull and embarassing.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Downtube shifters posted by Oscar on 7/5/2002 at 4:08:03 AM
I use a friction shifter,and it pulls just the right amount of cable for my AW. I don't know if the index detents would match what you need for the old 1,2,3. Worth a try, I suppose.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynohub...daytime lights? posted by: Drew on 7/1/2002 at 11:43:42 PM
I've installed a '73 Dynohub & lights on my DL-1....headlite has a 3 position switch, but lights are 'ON' on all 3 settings? is it the switch? I recall reading about a Dynohub that when run with a chargeable battery...had lights that always were on. info helpfull.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynohub...daytime lights? posted by chris on 7/2/2002 at 12:01:17 AM
This question is why we visit this site, to keep the information from slipping away.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dynohub...daytime lights? posted by David on 7/2/2002 at 1:23:58 PM
Email me and I'll fax you the service manual pages concerning the Dynohub, lights & DBU, including wiring diagram. You can compare it to your setup.

MISC:   Up the Tennessee river without a bike posted by: Fred on 7/1/2002 at 10:54:46 AM
Now what does the Tennessee river have in common with Bikes? Got a few minutes? On our way home from Florida this year we planned to visit our daughter and 3 year old grandson who live in Huntsville, Alabama, then continue on to Indiana where our families live. We spent 3 lovely weeks in Huntsville visiting family and friends and then continued on to Indiana. After only two days in IN we received an SOS call from our daughter. We quickly transferred what we needed from the van to the motor home, and left immediately. The first thing we did on our way back to H'ville was look for a campground close to our daughters house. Not finding one, we asked around and was steered to Ditto's Landing which is located on the river in South H'ville. What a lovely place. Ditto's Landing is located in a county park on a beautiful small bay in the north bank of the mighty Tennessee river. The bay contains a half dozen covered marinas for large and small boats, but that isn't what this is about. Running through the park is a beautiful bike path that originates about 3 miles north of the park, runs along a small river for a few miles, then winds through the park, ending in a greenway path along the banks of the big river. Now here's the rub; I had left two bikes in my van which we left in IN. We stayed 3 weeks at the park all day long the parade of bikes passing in front of our motor home never ended until dark each day, and what a lot of beautiful, new looking bikes they were. The majority were lower and mid-end mountain bikes, with a good number of city or Cross bikes, and a few mid to high end road bikes. There were also a few recumbents, usually flying along the park road that paralled the pathway. The trail varies in width and changes in direction, from the greenway sections to the park section. As a result it favors wind sprint riding for those riders on true road bikes. In general though, a good rate of speed can be maintained.

I thought of buying something used but we were caring for a 3 year old boy who wore Grampy and Grammy out by noon each day. That and other matters discouraged me from adding another bike to my already over populated garage/family room/spare bedroom-you know the story.

If you ever have occasion to visit H'ville, ride a bike, and perhaps are travelling in an RV, I highly recommend a visit to Ditto's Landing and ride the trail.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Revival posted by: P.C. Kohler on 7/1/2002 at 12:36:54 AM
Fingers rubbed raw with polishing compound, heaps of rags, black enamel touch ups, repainted white rear mudguard blackout stripe, lashings of Sturmey Archer oil, a newish B-66 saddle and many, many hours of contented work, my1949 rod-braked Rudge was ready for her first run today.

Took her from Georgetown to Reagan National Airport along the Potomac. She’s a wonderful machine; lithe (well compared to a DL-1!), lively and she performed brilliantly. A perfect combination of ‘just right’ Sturmey Archer ‘tick’ and that peculiarly English mudguard squeak. In 3rd gear, this 53 year old cycle embarrassed three of those modern multi-speed, featherweight whatevers. Show ‘em what Sheffield steel and Nottingham-made good can do, what? Even the old Michelin tyres work fine and I shall not be replacing those anytime time soon.

I know we are not supposed to call them English 'racers' but after so many years on a DL-1, a 26 inch machine with Sports frame geometry well, seems like a racer even with rod brakes. Mind you, I am tall enough to still find the DL-1 the perfect size but this was different and fun. Kinda like a Sunbeam Alpine after driving a Austin Princess to work everyday.

Tomorrow I pick up my NOS c.1950 Sturmey Archer dynohub lamp set to replace the later version this cycle came with. Another sought after item is an original SA gear lever with the indicator hole, again to replace a newer replacement. New transfers and lining. Then maybe some shop time for crankset/bottom bracket and headset. Replace the badly corroded front brake stirrup and rod with NOS. And that’s enough. Presentable but without ruining that patina and character.

She’s back in the bedroom, probably leaking SA oil on the carpet. Well, she’s owed that after a job well done. Mark Rudge serial no. 70-78 AT, April 1949, ‘back on duty’.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Revival posted by Mark R. on 7/1/2002 at 12:52:22 AM
Bravo Kohler, bravo!

   My Rudge posted by David Poston on 7/1/2002 at 9:18:52 PM

My Rudge comes back from the shop tomorrow with a complete overhaul (headset, bottom bracket, cables, fork straightened). I stopped by the shop this past weekend and the guy said the fork straightened out real easy. Apparently, Sheffield steel is a pretty "mild" steel, meaning it is somewhat malleable. By the way, just looking at the bike in the shop, having not seen it since I unpacked it the first day, brought tingles of excitement up my spine.

Once I get it home, I get to try the VVVintage mixture on it. Then I go to find some polishing compound like you suggested; not sure what that is yet, but I'm going to Home Depot to see what I can find.

I think the tyres are original Dunlops (the ones with white pinstripes), so I'll leave them as is. I'll probably replace the grips and maybe the saddle, we'll see how it goes with Proofhide.

When all is said and done, hopefully I will have something worthwhile. It's a later Rudge, of course, but for me it's my first English roadster (well, not a true roadster, but a sports roadster) ever.


   RE:My Rudge posted by P.C. Kohler on 7/2/2002 at 2:21:40 AM
David, that's great news! Sounds you'll have a good as new cycle. If this is indeed your first English three-speed, you're in for a real treat.

Polishing compound is available in any hardware store; look for it in the automobile section. This, plus the VVVintage mixture and lots and lots of elbow grease will have that Rudge sparkling. Copperwool for the bad chrome (if any); otherwise Barkeeper's Friend (a cleanser type cleaner) is simply the best for chrome.

A neighbour and fellow cycling enthusiast, seeing all my Rudges, has "caught the bug" and rescued from the apartment boiler room an abandoned 1971 Hercules which is already looking grand.

P.C. Kohler

FOR SALE: FS: '1952 Raleigh Sports / BOSTON posted by: Tom on 6/30/2002 at 10:43:28 PM

This bike needs complete restoration although it is quasi-rideable now (I aired the tires, got on it, pedalled, went forward and stopped when I applied the brakes.). It is complete with a 3-speed Sturmey-Archer AW dated 10-52! There is one dent in the front fender but that is it. Has completely enclosed chainguard as shown. The chrome is not salvageable (at least I don't think it is). Much rust on chrome but frame is pretty good with minor rust showing only where the paint has chipped. Some decals in excellent shape, some chipped as shown in photos. Tires appear original and hold air. This bike spent many long years slowly decomposing in a barn. Although it did not have direct contact with water, New England humidity is a b*tch. I got it to fix up as a nice daily rider not a show piece. Anyone looking to do the same can have a really nice bike. When I got it however I did not pay too much attention to the frame size. As dirty as it was, I eyeballed it only. The bike is too small for me (6' 1"). It feels like if I were about 3" from where I am, it would be perfect. I won't ship it but am really flexible on pick-up & meet times. I am looking for the best, reasonable offer. Make one and be surprised!



Here it is:









   FS: '1952 Raleigh Sports / BOSTON posted by Tom on 6/30/2002 at 11:07:03 PM

For some strange reason, the tilde "'" was eliminated and a ' was substituted. If you want to see the pix, the correct address should like like this


not this


Substitute a tilde ' for the apostrophe ' before blaurobot

   FS: '1952 Raleigh Sports / BOSTON posted by Tom on 6/30/2002 at 11:09:46 PM

OK, this is weird. oldroads is anti tilde. If you don't know what a tilde is, email me for pix. I cannot post a tilde symbol which looks like a backwards s on its back.

AGE / VALUE:   Chrome clreaning posted by: Chris on 6/30/2002 at 8:27:21 PM
Comet mixed with dish soap mixed together, dip the steel or better yet, brass woll and scrub those chrome parts!
1950's chrome rules! Oh, that lamp bracket glistens!
I mix up a batch and go crazy cleaning chrome everywhere. Then hot, hot water and a nice old fluffy towel!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Chrome clreaning posted by P.C. Kohler on 7/1/2002 at 12:31:50 AM
It's because the chrome was from Rhodesia, British Africa, in those days, Chris. It's indeed the best in the world. I find my chrome on my old Rudges and Raleighs looks better than on my 1978 DL-1. Thanks for the restoration tips. Ditto the quality of English black cycle enamel; nothing buffs out better than this stuff. Criminal to repaint it unless it's truly gone. One doesn't appreciate the true quality of these machines until you have the pleasure of bring one 'back from the dead'; these cycles never die, they are just lying there, thinking of England.

P.C. Kohler

AGE / VALUE:   Looking mighty fine posted by: Chris on 6/30/2002 at 8:17:29 PM
Scots Liquid Gold for black Raleigh paint. spray it on, wipe off excess, leave it sit awhile wipe it off again, buff it in. Looks awesome, like a new bike!
Promise me you won't get it on wheel rims, brakes, pedals and things like that. It would interfere with brakes working big time!

Better to use it on a bike you have hanging up and not a rider!

AGE / VALUE:   tires posted by: sam on 6/30/2002 at 8:09:39 PM
I picked up a set of studded 26x1&3/8 tornel brand all black.they had more but I think tornel doesn't make bike tires anymore.Would there be any interest in these?---sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   tires posted by chris on 6/30/2002 at 8:24:52 PM
These tires kick butt! I have a 28 inch one from Sam already. Excellent quality! They say 28 X 1.50 decimals never interchange with fractions but this time and probably this time only they do!

Reallly fine tire quality rubber. I hope Tornel comes back or never leaves us. You'never, see these anyplace.
Go for it, pick up a set!

It's great gojng someplace and finding something you never thought existed. I have red Pirelli Bicycle tires and they're beautiful!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   tires posted by David on 7/1/2002 at 7:54:34 PM
Tornel's web site suggests they still make bike tires, but there's no detail on it.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Wtb Chaincase for 1951 humber sports posted by: Eric Law on 6/30/2002 at 2:21:14 AM
Hi does any one out there have a used chaincase that will work on a 51 humber sports, the bike is black, Thank you Eric Law.

AGE / VALUE:   All-in-one cycle wrench posted by: Dewane on 6/28/2002 at 6:59:52 PM
Hi, do you happen to know where I can get one of those wrenches that used to come with the toolkit on English bikes? I've only seen a picture of one, but it's made of thin (looks to be) pressed steel, and has a bunch of cutouts that work as wrenches for pedal removal, steering head adjutment, and a bunch of other cutouts for which I have no idea.

Or is there a more modern replacement of such an "all-in-one" bicycle tool? If so, my guess is it wouldn't work on English cycles.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   All-in-one cycle wrench posted by David on 6/29/2002 at 12:14:17 PM
They appear frequently on ebay - usually overpriced at around $10 plus shipping. I'm sure you can find one at Larz Andersen in August!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   All-in-one cycle wrench posted by Chris on 6/29/2002 at 6:41:57 PM
Raleigh made these like crazy. Boom- Kachunk
Boom- Kachunk. spanners everywhere. Big presses moving up and down. wood boxes full of spanners! They were hanging on nails driven in shelves. 50 cents each. They were plentiful, now they too have gone. Tossed out or all sold.

Yes, these are hard to find too.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   All-in-one cycle wrench posted by Ian on 6/30/2002 at 8:09:45 AM
Hi, here in New Zealand pressed steel bike spanners are still pretty common in old second hand and junk stores. I could put my hands on quite a few for under US$5 but would need to check on the postage. My guess would be another $3 to $4US for postage. There are several variations. In my opinion the best ones are those that have two bent over prongs on the end for turning the bearing cups that have holes in the side. Some also have the "c" spanner for tightening the lock ring. If anyone is interested email me with an address and I will check out the costs accurately. Cheers, Ian.

MISC:   Mirror brand? posted by: David on 6/28/2002 at 2:15:42 PM
Does anyone know the brand or model of the handlebar mirror that's mounted on a little gooseneck made of interlocking plastic links? I don't know what to ask for when I call around to the LBSs.

FOR SALE:   Dunrick 26 x 1 1/4" rims posted by: Tom on 6/28/2002 at 3:13:55 AM
In my bike search this weekend I came across 3 Dunrick 26 x 1 1/4" EA1 rims. 2 are very nice and 1 is ok with a little pitting. No damage to them. Also 2 Michelin Zig Zag 26 x 1 1/4" tires 32-597 Made in England. Like new condition. Also 2 Vee Rubber 26 x 1 1/4" tires new but have been on rims and perfect. I also have a 26 x 1 1/4" rim like the Dunrick but no markings that I see. The center is a little higher than the Dunrick. Anyone want them, I have no use for them. I can supply pictures if needed. Make me an offer.

   RE:FOR SALE:   Dunrick 26 x 1 1/4 posted by Robert N. on 6/29/2002 at 9:16:03 PM
If anyone is interested, tires for Schwinn 26x1 3/8 S-6 rims should fit the EA-1 rims Tom has listed.