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Archived: English Roadsters

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Somebody Didn't Like It posted by: Geoff Rogers on 7/29/2002 at 3:25:51 AM
I just picked up a very, very nice, hardly used 1975 DL-1 at a flea market. It appears to have been ridden very little indeed; the pedal rubbers are unmarked and the chrome on the outsides of them is not scuffed at all; there are no signs of braking on the rims, the tires are original Raleigh Roadster (made in Austria, probably by Semperit, and looking like new, even with rubber molding marks on the tread), the grips original DARE black rubber, nice Brooks B-72, etc. It rides very well, and since I was on vacation at the time, I took it on a shakedown cruise on a very hilly bikepath with my 2-1/2 year old daughter in tow behind in one of those little trailer thingies. No, I did not scratch the paint on the bike with the clamp. Yes, it was nothing short of terrifying coming down the hills with this rig. I have experience with rod brakes from my Dunelt 28" wheel DL-1 clone, and know they are not great at best, and these had not been touched since about 1975, I think.
I cleaned the bike up tonight, and apart from some minor scratches and very minor rust here and there, it look simply gorgeous. I own 35+ English 3-speeds, but none has black paint anywhere near as fine as this! Decals are all good-to-excellent. Now what to do with it? I confess, I want to sell it and make some change to help finance the other projects. I have spent way too much on this hobby lately and it's time to sell some assets, so I will post the bike on this site in the "for sale" section, and maybe try ebay if that doesn't work out. The recent posts from this list sound like people are paying decent money for nice old DL-1s.
Does anybody have any suggestions as to how a bike as large as a DL-1 can be shipped? Are they too big for UPS?
The guy I bought it from admitted that he got it at the swap section of his local dump. Wow. So free ones can be had, I guess.
I can email pictures in case anybody is interested, and I apologize for the obvious commercial plug. It's really to help me pay for the R-R-A restoration, honest!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Somebody Didn't Like It posted by David on 7/29/2002 at 1:29:27 PM
The usual bike box is about 70 x 30 x 8 inches and is the max the UPS will take. I've shipped some smaller bikes (Sports, Raleigh GP) that fit fine. DL1 is a little bigger, you might have to remove the rear wheel too (and maybe ship separately). Otherwise it ought to fit. Be sure you put dummy axles in when you remove wheels. A piece of wood 100mm screwed into the fork ends works fine.
Try to get someone to come and get it, though (post its location).

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL1 on ebay posted by: David on 7/28/2002 at 9:27:13 PM

The seller replied
I don't have a digital camera . It's in good shape, I rode it once this spring. The paint will shine up real nice with some polishing compond( I did the chain gaurd and top tube). Very litte rust or corrosion. The rods for the brakes are in good shape.

It's near Hartford, no bids, and auction (not mine) ends Monday morning.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL1 on ebay posted by Jules on 7/28/2002 at 9:37:15 PM
I've got a Raleigh Super Grand Prix (1970's) that's in good condition,(minus the Brooks leather saddle and original handlebars with end shifters). Can anyone tell me the value? Also where should I advertise this bike? thanks very much.

AGE / VALUE:   Silly Season or Investment Opportunity? posted by: P.C. Kohler on 7/28/2002 at 9:22:24 PM
Are English roadsters the pork bellies or junk bonds of the future?

This has got to be a new high for a Raleigh three-speed that is not a DL-1; a nice April 1951 rod brake, enclosed gearcase 26" wheel machine.

Final winning bid on eBay: $552.00 with 24, yes, 24 bids and well over 700 hits on the site.


OK, so I bid on it too; my max bid of $300 or so seemed extravagant at the time. Now I just feel cheap....

P.C. Kohler

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Silly Season or Investment Opportunity? posted by Cliff on 7/28/2002 at 11:06:03 PM
Might be a record, a later Dl-1 went for about $500.00 six weeks ago. Back in 1999, I remember a custom ordered factory red paint '69 DL-1 sold on ebay for the mid 500's. Who would have thought of such high prices, I remember a local bike shop sold their stock of Roadsters at cost back in 1978-'79, no one wanted the big old machine's....things change!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Silly Season or Investment Opportunity? posted by geo on 7/29/2002 at 12:04:11 AM
Personally, I think the prices are getting ridiculous. I can understand DL-1's and rarer models going for a bit more but I've seen Sports models for up to $200. I think it's ignorance perpetrated by both the buyers and sellers. I've had morons at flea markets telling me 1970's Raleighs are "from the 30's" or "antiques" and asking $100 and up, but worse yet I've seen people pay exhorbitant amounts for run of the mill dime a dozen Raleigh brands. I've set a cap for myself, unless there is something special about a Sports or Roadster I won't pay more than $50 for a men's and $20 for a ladies(a.k.a. donor) bike(Roll your eyes all you want. Where I live in New England this is still very doable. I've got a seller full of $20 gems). To help control costs I think we as buyers have to learn to walk away from stupid prices, difficult as that may sound. My vote is for "Silly Season". If the prices get any dumber I'm going to start collecting cars, it's cheaper.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Silly Season or Investment Opportunity? posted by Andrew on 7/29/2002 at 11:48:35 AM
Good point Geo, if one goes out looking to buy a bike, they should try to educate themselves a little...lots of resources out there. We all know that the vintage bike market is driven by passion much of the time, and some of the things that happen are crazy, my neighbor couldn't sell a mint condition ladies Schwinn Varsity for $15.00, but the Stingray crowd will spend $3-400 on a not so rare part! This isn't a example of Roadster madness, but it reflects a kind of illness/obsession that exists. In some parts of the World, people would give up food to have a good bicycle. I recommend seeing the movie, 'The Bicycle Thief' , made in post WWII Italy. It may make all of us mellow out with our overboard spending!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Silly Season or Investment Opportunity? posted by Mark R. on 7/29/2002 at 3:07:40 PM
You know, $500 isn't what it used to be. In 1967 these bikes sold for $125. If you take into concideration the standard price index, $500 = $96 in 1967 dollars. So if you buy a roadster for $500 on eBay, and it is in new condition, and is impossible to buy otherwise, $500 is a bargain! Cripes, new roadsters in Holland go for as much as $1500, and the Pashley's which are no where near as nice anymore, go for over a grand. Personally I'm happy I only had to pay $450 for my NOS, DL-1, although of course I'd be nuts to pass up a freebee at the dump :-) I think prices are going to go ever higher since these really are good collectable bicycles.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Silly Season or Investment Opportunity? posted by P.C. Kohler on 7/29/2002 at 3:29:49 PM
Very good point! Of course the machine in question is not even a DL-1 but a 26" wheel job. However, in the grand scheme of things, rarer in the USA than a DL-1. But yes bicycles of this quality always cost a LOT. I remember as a boy having to save up forever for my Sprite 27; I could have spent less, a lot less, on other makes but of course it had to be a Raleigh! Anyway, I hope this particular machine is worth $550 to her new owner who takes care of her AND rides her. Not puts her in a large size safe deposit box.

As for me, I must be living in the wrong part of the world or just plain unlucky. If I had a max budget of $50 for these things, I'd still have my bought new DL-1 and that's it! Heck, she cost $228 when I bought her in 1978.

P.C. Kohler, having too much fun riding and restoring his '49 Rudge to be coveting too many other cycles.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Silly Season or Investment Opportunity? posted by geo on 7/29/2002 at 5:39:48 PM
As far as DL-1's go. I got mine for $75. A little tired but in good working order. Of course I've seen a zillion of them for $250 and up but I was patient and waited ahile and found one cheap. I will be the first to admit that these bikes are the best. They are a joy to work on compared to others and turning a wrench on a Raleigh really makes you appreciate what a fine ride they are, but I remember as a kid when they were considered junk. I hate to admit it but as kids we thought they were dork bikes(kid's are dumb). I can't tell you how many of my friends who had one that ripped off the fenders and bought drop bars so they wouldn't be riding around town like an old spinster. By the 70's the 10 speed was king in my neighborhood. So I don't remember them being expensive, I remember them lining the streets with the trash cans on garbage day. They are the best, nothing beats British steel but I agree we are getting obsessive about these. I still think they are getting to pricey and should not be bought as investments. I'd rather bring a beater back to life and ride it.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Silly Season or Investment Opportunity? posted by Chris on 7/29/2002 at 5:45:50 PM
I have picked these up for 200.00 and sold them for 1000.00 and more than once too.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Silly Season or Investment Opportunity? posted by Chris on 7/29/2002 at 6:21:57 PM
I take that back. I was referring to the 28 inch wheel, 24 inch frame DL1 not a used 26 inch wheel bike.

The rear rack on this bike is nice, unique. I'd say Silly Season

   Economics: A bike is worth what someone is willing to pay for it posted by David Poston on 7/30/2002 at 4:52:08 PM
What follows is a little lesson in economics:

I would venture that according to a basic economic principle, goods and services are worth what people are willing to pay for them. I think it's just an issue of supply and demand. This recent increase in price is simply a reflection of the current supply of roadsters in decent condition and the increase in the desirability of these bikes. For someone living in England, or maybe New England, these bikes might have been a dime-a-dozen many years ago. But for someone living elsewhere and in today's world, these bikes are scarce indeed. So you see, you must take into account location and time. Here in Houston, for example, it isn't every day (or should I say year) that you see a Raleigh Sports in decent condition, much less a DL-1. So a roadster would be worth more to the potential buyer from Houston than someone living in England or New England. E-bay is a lifesaver for people who live in remote places like some do. If you factor in the cost of money and time of finding a bike, e-bay is by far cheaper. I could spend weeks and weeks searching pawn shops, garage sales, and thrift shops and come up nothing. Alternatively, I could simply open my web browser, type in "Raleigh," and find exactly what I am looking for. You must remember that time is worth money. Literally. It would be more economical to work extra hours and use that money to pay the higher prices on e-bay than to hunt for weeks on end, only to end up with disappointment or some second-rate bike.

So, in conclusion, one must factor in all the economic costs before concluding that a price is "unreasonable." A price is never unreasonable, as long as a buyer and seller agree on that price. If someone can find their dream roadster for $500 with the click of a mouse button, I say, "By all means!"

Your dear capitalist pig,

David Poston.

   RE:Economics: A bike is worth what someone is willing to pay for it posted by Mark R. on 7/30/2002 at 7:41:45 PM
I guess more or less, this is the point I was making about the prices.If you have the free cash avilable, and you're never going to get something that you want otherwise, and if you remember that $500 or even $1000 isn't what it once was, then paying so much for a Raleigh isn't really such a big deal.
I simply don't understand why, with a potential market, no one will reproduce a well made quality roadster like these.

   RE:RE:Economics: A bike is worth what someone is willing to pay for it posted by P.C. Kohler on 7/30/2002 at 8:28:59 PM
Indeed Mark or why they stopped making them in the first place! I can show you reams of letters from Raleigh management in the late 1980s telling me THEY knew what people wanted and how Raleigh had to move with the times etc. So look at them now!! When Raleigh close their Nottingham works... well... Of course roadsters would be a small market then and now, but it's better than nothing. Anyway, I tried as did many others. I was just happy that they 'allowed' me order a bunch of spare parts from them. They told me to get lost but they still cashed my cheque!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Silly Season or Investment Opportunity? posted by geo on 7/30/2002 at 9:53:20 PM
Dave brings up a good point regarding ebay. It is a fact that ebay is a great sellers market and a lousy buyers market. It is great to find all kinds of hard to find stuff, in fact within any given month I have yet to stump ebay. I do however find it frustrating. I am lucky in that I live in New England and like English bikes. They're getting a little more scarce but I don't have much trouble finding them cheap. I have a 23' Sports($15) a 23' Sprite($10) and a DL-1($75). I've gave a Robin Hood($5) to a friend. I bought a ladies Hercules($5) and sold it to a neighbor for $20. My father enjoys the hobby as well with a '63 Sports($10) and a '65 Rudge Sports($10). As you can see I seem to live in the right area or I am blessed with the Midas touch. Unfortunately Dave lives in Houston and ,as he stated, I can imagine their aren't many Raleighs down there. So he goes on ebay and finds them but pays alot more. To me it's a double edged sword. It's disappointing because now the prices around here are beginning to be dictated by ebay so I will end up spending more and I feel bad for Dave because he has to pay alot more than even I will(plus shipping and handling and the obvious perils there in). I personally feel that these bikes have so much soul and were lovingly designed and crafted to withstand anything anyone or any climate could throw at it, that it is disappointing that they are traded like junk bonds and locked up in garages and cellars waiting for someone who's willing to pay that little bit more than top dollar. The people on this board are passionate about these bikes and enjoy them to the fullest. I've heard almost as many tales of rides and performance as I have about great finds. They ought to be giving all of us these bikes for free for the mere fact that we love them so much. It's just become cheap. Personally the people that view them as investments have missed the point. I'm rambling now. I'll end now by saying I wish you could all visit New England and find that $10 diamond-in-the-rough at the Salvation Army or yard sale or dump like I have. Geo

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Silly Season or Investment Opportunity? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/30/2002 at 11:44:40 PM
If you see a Raleigh Sports or Superbe or even a 28 inch wheel Tourist, you will notice the cool look, or image or well, yes, image that the bike presents with an enclosed chainguard. If it is a weathered enclosed chainguard all the better looking. Awesome bike.
Why so much paid?
The buyer liked it and wanted it. That's that. Why? Well... It is appreciated, and already known and likely fondly remembered too.
The time argument is right on too. Time is money. You can get money but not time and the buyers time is priceless to the buyer.

Plus, these bikes are (unless you know the sites like this one and are in the game in some way with connections) difficult to find and are seldom seen.
E- bay is very simple.

To believe that these are being thrown away in England with the guy wheeling it to the dump believing it is work to give away much less sell and then see these fetch this much on e- bay is difficult to handle. I love these bikes, all of them!
They are wonderful and magical and I believe that wonderful and magical things are worth preserving.

Especially if it is something slipping away into obscurity.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Silly Season or Investment Opportunity? posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/30/2002 at 11:59:19 PM
In some parts these bikes are plentiful with folks following the $50.00 rule other places it's diffrent.

My pal has semi- stoped following the $50.00 dollar bike rule because of what some things are getting on e- bay and because even in New York things are vanishing or prices have climbed. It's maddening because these were so common just a few years ago.

We discussed the Raleigh Choppers and Sturmey- Archer parts and what prices are paid.
He's lamenting he didn't keep things longer.
I'm in this for the love of it, because I love the Lucas King of the Road piece too. The money part of it has been wild and unpredictable and lately, very active.

This was dormant back in 1980-1991? perhaps. You could find it in dumpsters, buy it all cheap, haul it away like it was scrap. Not today, it's gone or they want to put it on e- bay.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Silly Season or Investment Opportunity? posted by Harry Sahu. on 8/2/2002 at 4:14:16 AM
Hi Geo.You are so right. So many people these days asking ridiculas prices for Raleighs. Last June at a flee market a fellow was trying to sell me a green SUPERBE for 150.00 dollars. There was a fair bit of rust on the chrome and the cleat to hold the pump was missing. It was not welded at the factory.'It is Raleigh' he said .'They don make them anymore, the is a lock on the fork but I do not have the key'The front wheel alone worth 75 dollars.'Thank you I said . No sale. The best models of Superbes were made in the fifties and early sixties.The chrome was nicely done. Some dynamos were in the rear wheel while some were in the front . Some wheels had stainless steel spokes, while some had nickel plated and some galvanised .They almost all had cable brakes and leather seat. the later onse especially from the seventies were made in a hurry, or as you say in the car factory, it was made on a monday morning. All the grinding wheel marks are vissible and the chrome is super thin, poor finish.The saddle was changed to the felt type. But look at the tag .It says Brooks(as if that is gold)The pedal is a one piece junk of rubber withouth any balls bearing as opposed to the old style. The trade unions was the demise of Raleigh industries. The company had to get contracters to make components and the Raleigh logo stamped on them.The quality went down.Raleigh parts made by contracters and assembled in Canada.With soft wire fender brace and fat hubs made in Germany with the Raleigh logo.The classics logo is the crane head on all components and patrs. The later logo is Sir Walter Raleigh. The classics has metal oilers with a spring loaded cap . The later ones has a spring clip and still later ones has niether so heavy grease is required for the bearing.Service once a year.The most expensive model was the Raleigh Special,( written right slant on the full chain case) big DL with 28 ins wheel, drum/rod brakes,miller king of the road bell. large brooks saddle with a leather tool bag hanging from the back of the saddle with 2 spanners and Miller generater.The typical Raleigh carrier carries two small leather straps and a kickdown stand (part of the carrier)stuck behind the carrier leg over the fender when not in use. When kicked down the rear wheel comes completely off the ground
I remember the price 15 pounds. By the way, single speed.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Silly Season or Investment Opportunity? posted by Chris on 8/3/2002 at 4:29:14 PM
The Superbe didn't sell for 150.00. That day. Wait until somebody else sees it.
I tried prying one away and I offered 150.00 and it was not enough offered. The bike was worth more than $150.00 to it's owner.
I have a set of master keys in my collection. I had to pester a shop owner for 11 years and mention it when it all folded. He threw them at me and swore about my being a pest over them all those years. I got them.
That's not necessary because any locksmith worth his salt will make a key and it's listed in their book. They should ask you to provide some sort of proof of ownership. The fork lock keeps it from being ridden, not stolen and it's really just a quaint feature anyways.

MISC:   Dyno Roadster or Coaster?? posted by: Chris on 7/28/2002 at 3:31:07 PM
Hi there,
I just bougt a DYNO COASTER. Produktiondate ist 26 July 95.
Now I want to know why sometimes the bike is called Roadster and sometimes Coaster?
thanks, Chris

   RE:MISC:   Dyno Roadster or Coaster?? posted by David on 7/28/2002 at 6:57:21 PM
The Dynos I've seen might be called "cruisers." They're designed much like the one-speed coaster-brake American bikes of the 50s and earlier.

FOR SALE:   Old Raleigh Roadster on eBay posted by: mc on 7/27/2002 at 1:02:34 PM
Interesting eBay offering from an estate sale for a Raleigh ladies roadster. Looks to be quite old and complete. The seat will have to be replaced though. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=2124915126

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A Phoenix...had one once posted by: Mark W. on 7/27/2002 at 10:47:18 AM
You won't see many of these on Maine St. (ebay #2125826890) When i was 13 backk in 1974, spent the summer in Europe and found one of these in a shipyard junk pile, got it running and it was lots of fun. A major change from my '67 stingray I had back home. Today I have a DL1 and think it's of better quality then the dutch Roadster. Have to see what it's bid to!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A Phoenix...had one once posted by Mark R. on 7/29/2002 at 3:00:07 PM
That's a beautyful bike! A "real" european roadster! I'd bid on it, and I just might!

AGE / VALUE:   MY NEW RALEIGH ROADSTER... posted by: Mario Romano on 7/26/2002 at 6:15:43 PM
I recently purchased an all new Raleigh Roadster, but I don't have any idea about it's manufacture year. Below I send some informations for anybody who could help me...
brakes....: rod brakes
tires.....: 28"
spokes....: 32/40
gear......: SINGLE SPEED
brand.....: of course, it's Raleigh eron head

Thanks a lot,

Mario Romano

AGE / VALUE:   E- bay Humber bicycle posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/26/2002 at 4:52:12 PM
The current Humber bicycle offered on e- bay has a bent steer tube in the fork. Good news is that these forks can be repaired. A framebuilder can take the fork apart and slide in a new steer tube, basically re-building the fork! The cool split double tube Humber forks can be saved!
Unlike Raleigh tubular fork crown types that cannot be repaired. You have to either straighten it or replace the whole fork.
Nice bike, but it looks like somebody crashed it.
The light on the bicycle is a nice piece!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   E- bay Humber bicycle posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/27/2002 at 8:07:21 PM
I had my Humber fork re-built at Assenmacher's bicycle shop on Miller Road in Swartz Creek, Michigan

Price was reasonable and the fellow is a expert framebuilder. They did an excellent job and they enjoyed doing the work too and I thought that was great. You will need to send them another old fork for them to use as the replacement steer tube. I'd contact the shop before you ship something out.
So don't toss out these bikes with this fork!

AGE / VALUE:   roadesters with motors posted by: sam on 7/26/2002 at 3:59:54 PM

AGE / VALUE:   New visitor curious about Phillips bicycle. posted by: Ed on 7/25/2002 at 10:51:23 PM
While clearing out my girlfriend's yard, we discovered a Phillips bicycle in surprisingly good shape. We're hoping someone can tell how to determine age or model name. Women's frame w/Raleigh-style 26" rims, rod brakes. It has Sturmey-Archer AW 3-spd with 1961 date, but don't know if it is original. PHILLIPS on crank and pedals, there's a 5-digit number and the letters "HZ" stamped above left rear drop-out. We've had great fun cleaning it up and getting it running, but are very curious to know more about its history. Thanks!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: New visitor curious about Phillips bicycle. posted by P.C. Kohler on 7/26/2002 at 9:39:57 PM
A selection of pages from the 1949-50 Phillips fitments catalogue can be found at:


see under Albums: Catalogues

if you are not a member of Yahoo Premium Service, you cannot view the scans in full size alas so best to save as .jpgs and enlarge yourself. Other albums have Phillips posters and dealer adverts etc.

Phillips were huge; this catalogue shows just how major they were. One of the delightful touches are little sketches showing Phillips products around the world.

I remember Phillips as a boy since they all had white painted headsets and that marvellous lion badge. But they weren't that common where I grew up (Washington DC).

Phillips even had Club bikes called 'Vox Populi'; one has to love these names. So much more pleasing that the aggressive or insipid names given to bikes today.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: New visitor curious about Phillips bicycle. posted by ed on 7/27/2002 at 4:16:47 AM
Thank you for all the information! Your catalog photos were delightful. We spotted the handlebars that this bike has (the bottom of that page)but I'm not sure where else to look to find age/model. There is no chainguard, and I don't see any model designation on the downtube. Would the serial number on the bike tell us anything?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: New visitor curious about Phillips bicycle. posted by ed on 7/27/2002 at 4:25:23 AM
Thanks again for all your help. I have looked at PC Kohler's info and will check SheldonBrown.com. The bicycle didn't have a chainguard, and no model name apparent on the downtube, only a fancy decal that says "The Tru Temper Steel Bicycle". Do you know of a serial number chart for Phillips? Thanks again for the hospitality!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   New visitor curious about Phillips bicycle. posted by Ben on 7/27/2002 at 4:22:37 PM
What I'd like to know is: where can I find pedals made in that factory for my Phillips?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   New visitor curious about Phillips bicycle. posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/26/2002 at 4:44:07 PM
Does it say Birmingham or Nottingham on the badge?
Nottingham is Raleigh
Birmingham is Phillips

Rod brakes make it worth a bit more

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   New visitor curious about Phillips bicycle. posted by Ed on 7/26/2002 at 6:09:08 PM
Aha! I didn't notice that before...says Birmingham. So this is a Raleigh-built Phillips, after 1960?---is this correct?
Any other info would be appreciated.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   New visitor curious about Phillips bicycle. posted by Ed on 7/26/2002 at 6:12:14 PM
Ooops!---Sorry ChristopherRobin. I got that backwards: it's a pre-Raleigh Phillips. Any further idea how to tell age/model?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: New visitor curious about Phillips bicycle. posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/26/2002 at 8:53:56 PM
The rear hub tells the age, it is stamped on the outside hub shell. Unless we feel that the rear wheel has been switched by somebody.
The fact that it has Phillips named pedals means that it is pre- Raleigh.
Note that Raleigh merged with Phillips about this time or really shortly after.

One way to tell for sure is to look at the headset on the bike. Is it Raleigh type or not? Don't know how to describe the diffrences in headsets. I guess look at a Raleigh Sports or Superbe and tell if your bike's headset is the same or not.
Scroll down here until you see the fellow with the Roll Brittiania web site. The guy ( P.C. Kohler) is putting up Phillips catalogs and other stuff for refrence. (They are beautiful catalogs too)

Not too sure what model it could be. It should say a model name on the chainguard or down tube or someplace on the bike.
Have you checked out Sheldon Brown's site at SheldonBrown.com? The section called English 3 speeds, the Raleigh bicycle section, type in Phillips in the glossery. Do a archive search here at oldroads.com too.
They sell parts and things you might need here.
Anything else, don't hesitate to ask us here.
Sheldon's site is an important "shrine" to visit and this is the other important place to be with bikes.
Yes, I would believe this is a Pre- Raleigh Phillips.

The Phillips Credenda Works was huge and they made these Pedals and the bike as well. Phillips had a Smethwick factory too. Raleigh absorbed Phillips as part of a huge merger between Raleigh and Tube Investments who owned Phillips.

AGE / VALUE:   I need info. on 80's Peugeot Carbolite 103 Road Bike posted by: Paul on 7/25/2002 at 6:18:39 PM
hey if any knows info. about the value of a 80's Peugeot
Carbolite 103 road bike.its red and is all original.

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Raleigh moped!!!!! on 7/25/2002 at 12:12:49 PM


   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Me again on 7/25/2002 at 1:50:35 PM
Sorry try this:http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1846172162

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Ray on 7/25/2002 at 2:58:21 PM
I saw a real early and nice Raleigh Motorcycle at Trexlertown last year. A comment on the photos for this auction. I have seen a rash of bad photos lately on bikes. Three long distant shots, one shot of the head badge, an angled shot of the pedals and a long shot of the rear wheel tells you nothing about the bike. Ebay only lets you use 6 photos so don't waste them if you want to sell the bike. A full frame shot of the entire bike from the right side (chainguard side) should lead off the photos. Next the rear derailleur and hub combo, then the front chainring and derailleur combo, head tube including the badge and headset, any nice decals or handlebar shot and then the seat including the lugging. These simple six shots tell everyone what they need to know about a bike. The shots of this Raleigh moped are terrible.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Mark on 7/25/2002 at 5:59:32 PM
Yes indeed, you're certainly right about the photo quality here, however for me, I was simply thrilled to se a Raleigh moped, since they are quite rare. I hope others enjoy it too.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Moped information   posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/26/2002 at 4:25:00 PM
I have a lot of articles and reviews and ads about the various Raleigh mopeds, the Hercules Corvette and the Phillips Panda and all sorts of other mopeds.
Trouble shooting guides, guides to maintence, exploded diagrams
all sorts of stuff.

e- mail for what info you are looking for, what about.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Moped information posted by ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/26/2002 at 9:05:08 PM
I don't believe that these mudguards are original. More like Schwinn fenders Whizzer stuck on the bike. The pinstriping/lining is not right and the braces are not what Raleigh did.
No, the fenders are not correct. The rest looks good to go.
By the way is it a goer? meaning does it run?

Awesome to see one as I only see the paper ads, myself.
Service diagram stuff and articvles on this model, I do have.

WANTED:   brake parts posted by: Harry on 7/25/2002 at 2:07:34 AM
I have a roadster 22 inch frame ladies bike with 28xi 1/2- 3/4 dunlop rims in beautiful condition. The rear wheel is original S A coaster brakes. Wide angle style handle in fair condition. The original green paint of the frame tiny bubles all over but the decals are still fairly bright.The large writing on the seat tube says Canadian Raleigh, but also says made in England I have a nos front wheel drumbrake assembly (36 spokes) and a used rear wheel drum brake 3 speed assembly in excellent condition. I also have the handlebar assembly with the rods.I am thinking of converting from coaster brakes to drum brakes but I need some of the rods. Is the project advisable or should I keep the bike original? I also have nos cable brake levers and can use cable but I shall need cable ends for adjustments.

AGE / VALUE:   adjusting side movement of handle bar posted by: Harry. on 7/25/2002 at 1:53:25 AM
He Guys and Gyals, I would like to point out that the early raleigh bikes, perhaps prewar, had a short tear drop shape lever on the neck of the front tube just below the handle bar on the left side. That lever could be turned to tighten the free movement of the steering action of the bike handle bar. On the inside of the tube the mechanism was a piece of metal not unlike a piece of mordern hose clamp which was often broken because of overtighting or abuse. Any thoughts?


   RE:AGE / VALUE: adjusting side movement of handle bar posted by Sheldon Brown on 7/25/2002 at 3:54:51 AM
I've got an old German bike with a steering damper like this. The bike is a "Torpedo" and is sort of a super roadster, with an amazingly long wheelbase and super slack frame angles...makes a DL-1 look like criterium geometry. It has a coaster brake, and uses 700c wheels, with clearance for very fat tires.

The steering damper is controlled by a knob on the right side of the head tube. It has a collar with a threaded post, similar to the collar that holds a road-type brake lever to the handlebar. This collar fits around the steerer inside the head tube.

Took me a looong time to figure out what this bike was about--clearly made for rough surfaces, but geared moderately high for a single speed, so it wouldn't be much good off road. Then I remembered cobblestones! Northern Germany is very, very flat, and the roads used to be all cobblestones. I figure this bike was made in the 1930s, and is actually very well adapted to those conditions.

Sheldon Brown

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Claude Butler posted by: cjscheiner on 7/25/2002 at 12:37:56 AM
Dear Friends:
I am trying to get some information about a Claude Butler Electron Super Five I now own. It was bought in the UK in the early 1960s by a friend who had it custom made with an extra low sixth gear on the single derailer so he could better ride hills on long races. The bicycle also has a West Ham Speedway decal that seems to have been put on the frame at the time of manufacture. The bicycle rides beautifully
and is in overall fine condition. My friend told me that at the time it was bought it had the lightest frame in the world.
Can any one tell me any place I can get detailed information about this bicycle and also about what it is worth for insurance purposes?
C.J. Scheiner