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MISC:   oops forgot posted by: BillyBob on 7/8/2002 at 7:13:29 PM
ebay 1842042869

MISC:   65 mens superbe posted by: BillyBob on 7/8/2002 at 7:10:01 PM
Nice looking men's larger size superbe with dynohub etc.

AGE / VALUE: This is the life (poem) posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/8/2002 at 6:00:01 PM
Two wheels, a saddle and bell
Long leafy lanes and all is well
A steady speed without a care
No petrol fumes to fill the air
A tiny pub, a pint of ale
This kind of life can never fail
A cycle tour for several days
Avoiding all the Motorways
A fresh green field to pitch the tent
Deep down inside you feel content
No diesel lorries passing by
Instead you scan a clear blue sky
Your cycle leaning by the gate
Proves to be your faithful mate

This appeared in Cycling magazine May 2, 1964
written by Kenneth Parkinson

   A pint !?!?!?! posted by Stacey on 7/9/2002 at 12:54:00 AM
I can just hear 'him' now... Temperance,Temperance,Temperance!

   RE:AGE / VALUE: This is the life (poem) posted by Ovid Inorbit on 7/9/2002 at 5:09:32 AM
We don't have pubs here, we call them bars
And pints, forget it, ask for a draft.
The charm that Ken saw, is not at all
What's down my street. It's Bud and neon,
A sticky table, and acrid in the john.

And in case I failed to mention
The bike outside is dual suspension.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: This is the life (poem) posted by Ian on 7/9/2002 at 10:55:50 AM
Maybe then it is time to stop and smell the flowers and reassess how we live, where we live, why we live! Maybe, just maybe, a poem such as Chris has just passed on to us all is meant to make us stop and think about what life is all about and perhaps enjoying the simple side of things (such as cycling) is where we all should be. Come on down and visit our side of the world and I promise to show you beautiful roads where you won't see another person (or a damned motorvehicle) for hours. Wouldn't it be nice if life was that easy! And just to stir it up a little more I don't care if you call it a pint or a draft I will will have one with any cyclist that cares to call by and chat. Cheers, Ian.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: This is the life (poem) posted by Ovid on 7/9/2002 at 4:07:43 PM
Cancel the plans for the Carribean
We’re going down south to visit Ian

Promise me things to delight our noses
Posies, daisies, violets and roses.

With my bike, my wife and all my pee-wees
We’ll live our lives as brand-new kiwis!

   RE:AGE / VALUE: This is the life (poem) posted by Bryant on 7/9/2002 at 4:10:45 PM
This is what I'm looking forward to during my vacation. Although the Cycle Across Maryland isn't as scenic and car free, it is pleasant and carefree. Just two more weeks of work. God, I can't wait.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: This is the life (poem) posted by Chris on 7/9/2002 at 4:46:49 PM
Myself, I would change something in there. Something about a quaint little roadside stop with fish and chips or a nice meal. Soda pop, tea, coffee then back on the road to see more sights. You don't have to have a pint. My point is that a lot of small towns have these great hole in the wall type places. They're stuck in time with excellent prices and generous portions. Posters on the wall, real people and an interesting environment over as wonderful meal. Not some common, mediocre, sterile, overpriced fast food type deal I can have at home. Get out see the sights find these places and enjoy them.

The author was telling us about his life and experiences and how he remembered them fondly. Pride in the place he knew. A description of the times, spirit and activities.
Everybody who has never ridden about and seen the sights or toured on a bike across a bit of country is missing out on something wonderful.The people who ride around the world always come back and say that they have experiences that the will always cherish and it is something that nobody can take from you.
A word about human nature too. Despite being freed from slavery and being led out of Egypt by Moses and Jehova (God of Israel) despite seeing the pillar of fire by night and smoke by day before their eyes (making doubting a bit difficult) dispite water from rocks to drink, despite meat brought by ravens, manna(bread) from heaven. Despite all that God did, despite all that Moses did. The Children of Israel WANTED NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD, DID NOT WANT MOSES LEADING THEM. They complained bitterly and the second that Moses went up the mountain to talk with God, they wasted no time in organizing a wild drunken orgy party.

People don't want to be told what to do by anybody! Not even by God before their eyes, right or wrong. Some will drink some won't, A handful will repent, others will never. Drink or not, believe in God or not. Make up your own mind about everything you see in life. If you mess up, make wrong choices, then blame yourself.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: This is the life (poem) posted by Ian on 7/10/2002 at 9:02:18 AM
Hear, Hear and Hooray!!!

   RE:AGE / VALUE: This is the life (poem) posted by You know who on 7/10/2002 at 3:00:34 PM
It's communism I say, COMMUNISM!!!!(sic)

   RE:AGE / VALUE: This is the life (poem) posted by Dale on 7/11/2002 at 3:59:19 PM
The idea is still achievable. The specifics may have changed or be harder to attain, but delights are still there. For me, a good breakfast after the first five or ten miles, the sunrise and sunset, staying warm through a rainstorm, seeing new places and meeting great people... all are there for the taking. I take a 5-15 day tour each year, and look forward to it with a fervor. 17 days 'til Amtrak takes me away, then two weeks across the midwest!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: This is the life (poem) posted by Christopher on 7/11/2002 at 7:56:56 PM
After some reflection since I left the above post. I would like to apologise to everybody here in the group for my post or posts that may have been off topic or off the wall and /or uncalled for. So no more religion, no politics either and I'll keep it to bikes.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: This is the life (poem) posted by Oscar on 7/12/2002 at 2:32:23 PM
What's there to apologize for? If you speak what you believe, and say it without being offensive, there's no harm.

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Delivery Bike on eBay posted by: Kevin C. on 7/8/2002 at 12:43:41 PM
The Raleigh delivery bike on eBay brought about $250 yesterday. It had rod brakes, front dropstand and wicker basket. Neat old piece!

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Gazelle posted by: bill G on 7/7/2002 at 10:50:44 PM
Looked closer at the rear hub of my Gazelle and did notice an AW0 ..what is the ball park value ?in average condition, or who should I mail some photos to? BG

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Gazelle posted by David on 7/8/2002 at 10:30:06 PM
If it's an ordinary 3-speed "sports" model (cable-operated brakes, 26 x 1 3/8 tires, no generator, rust etc) it has very little value in the "collector" sense. If it's old (50s or before) or has something unusual about it, it might be worth more than the cost of shipment. Its real value is as cheap, reliable, pleasant transportation. Ride it or give it to someone who will!

AGE / VALUE:   Dunelt madness, Springer fork fits! posted by: ChristopherRobin2@starmail.com on 7/7/2002 at 8:01:07 PM
I saw this on a Raleigh Chopper website someplace. Somebody has a Schwinn Sting- Ray type springer fork in a Chopper. I took a Springer fork intended for a 26 inch wheel balloon tire bike and just for kicks to see if it fit and it did. I would have to change the headset over to 24 or whatever T.P.I. Schwinn used. I think it is possible. At least with a ladies Dunelt it is. So probably with a Sports or most any other British bike. Qusetion is why?
and more important how will it handle?
I don't know about the rake being the same and the bike is not completed and not ridden yet. It is too heavy probably and how does it look? It fit and that opens up possibilities.

Anyways, the Chopper may take a 20 inch Schwinn springer or perhaps a modified 26 inch Springer. I'l not sure and the Chopper is away being painted so I can't tell.

I love seeing all the diffret pictures but it bothers me when things are not picked apart and described. The Dunelt is being overhauled completely and I have two more cotterless axles and if one of these fiuts I'll be changing it to a alloy/ cotterless setup. I have a box full of white, plastic, cheap, modern, ugly, terrible looking cable housing and I'm keeping it but I'll never use it. The bike looks aweful with it and it sticks out and ruins character of the bike. This is a lot of work! cleaning, polishing, new bearings, those wheels are filthy! The wheels are the worst part. I hate cleaning wheels. I want to job this out, get somebody to clean them for me. A box of S.O.S. and a twenty per wheel and say go to it pal. Trouble is they would get lost and I'd never see them again. No I 'll make myself do them. I am going to get a ultra sonic parts cleaner and clean, clean, clean from now on. Whole Sturmey Archer innards are going to go straight away into the parts cleaner from now on. This Dunelt has a plastic oil fitting for the bottombracket. Neat!

Why is it more of these bikes did not have a Raleigh stye springer fork of some kind?
You don't see springer forks on any of the brit bikes? Why? A new design of springer fork?
Too expensive? too gimmicky?
Moulton did it? who else British? Metal cable housing stops! I love these! I polish these up with a wire wheel and they come out looking like just chrome polished! I dribbled oil on the seatpost, cotter pins, and other fasteners before turning driving out, or removing and it makes a diffrence. I leave it sit in and soak overnight.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Dunelt madness, Springer fork fits! posted by sam on 7/8/2002 at 2:17:18 AM
Saw an article on how a gun hobbiest had taken an old dish washer to use as his parts washer.Spray the wheels with oven cleaner and pop them in the parts/dishwasher.Ever seen those old British sprinker forks? with the parelle bars and spring in center?That would be cool.

AGE / VALUE:   cycle truck posted by: sam on 7/6/2002 at 6:56:57 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1840736084 Check out that basket!!!

AGE / VALUE:   I tryed 4 times posted by: sam on 7/6/2002 at 2:10:06 PM
to lace a rear rim.I got 3 rims lately,and decided to lace up a set.They are all rod brake rims the rear drilled 40 the front 32.I laced the front to a 32 hole shimano deore dx with quick release.Worked out great,no problem.Then I started on the rear.After 4 trys the lite finaly came on.I put the rim beside the front rim and sure enough it's a 26" not a 28".Same width same style different diameter.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   I tryed 4 times posted by Oscar on 7/6/2002 at 6:17:56 PM
It's maddening. The hardest thing about wheelbuilding is measuring for the right sized spokes. I have boxes of wrong sizes!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:  Wheel building therapy posted by Chris on 7/7/2002 at 8:38:26 PM
The chair, the table with the wheel stand bolted onto it. Boxes of spokes, a spoke cutting tool, measurement stuff, directions, manuels, everything I need. All this in a safe, locked, padded room! When I can sucessfully build wheels myself and show them the completed work I can go home. I'm gonna be here a long, long time. They are bringing me Dynohubs, Westwood and Endrick rims. Plain hubs and 3 speeds. Those diffrent flange jobs too! Nothing but eat, sleep, shower and build wheels for months at a time. They are trying to break me I think, but every day I make a bit more progress.

How at you at wheel building?......
Serriously, I was in jobber/ distributor place and instead of rooting thru and adding to the collectiion when they folded I shold have made myself sit by the guy and learn this. It's easy after a little practice!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:  Wheel building therapy posted by sam on 7/8/2002 at 2:23:15 AM
I'm not very good at it.Lucky for me I got a good friend that does a good job,and he's got a good friend(retired shop owner)who is great at wheels.Every thing rolls down hill.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   I tryed 4 times posted by Ray on 7/8/2002 at 10:08:10 PM
Wheel building is an art form that requires a lot of attention to detail. I am no expert but do know one that has guided me when making my attempts. Each time it worked out well. Consider that a pro first needs to know how many spokes, the wheel diameter, the hub diameter at the flange, the number of crosses. All that goes into calculating the right spoke length and that is just the beginning. Now that you have the right spokes you have to start with a certain pattern or process to get the desired result. If you do not have someone to guide you then you better have a good wheel already built to copy from. Knowing how to cross, under and over, how to center your hub, true your wheel, dish your wheel all take a certain talent. Now that you have mastered these you can think about things like spoke materials, straight or tangental spoking, recessed nipples and rim materials. Used parts add a whole new dimention to this process as previous wear marks play a role. Several things stuck with me when I was coached into wheel building. Calculations are still only approximations and fine adjustments may need to be made. These calculations are formulas right from a wheel builders book. Next is how you hold your spokes, I was taught to place them in my hand like a pencil (all of them) and fan them out. This way you just drop them in place all in a quick flowing motion. Finally you use a nipple tool that looks like a bent screwdriver that makes installment a snap. There is too much to write here but I hope you at least get the picture that it is not something you tackle unprepared.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Sturmey 5 speed shft patterns posted by: Robert on 7/6/2002 at 12:52:57 AM
I posted about possibly getting a Nexus 5 speed hub for my ride , but have repented and now am in search of a SA 5 speed . My question is, what is the shift pattern and the "best" way to run one?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Sturmey 5 speed shft patterns posted by geo on 7/6/2002 at 4:01:52 AM
I don't know much about the Nexus hub but I do own a Sprite with a SA internal 5 speed. It is my understanding that the righthand shifter acts like a standard three speed shifter while the lefthand shifter toggles the hub between wide and close ratio three speed. Left shifter down (I have the original fussy shifters not any of the popular mods or replacements) gives you a low low, nuetral and a high high while left shifter up gives you a standard low neutral high(neutral is the same either way). The shift pattern seems to go like this. Left down, right down is 1rst; left up, right down is second; left up(or down) right middle is third; left up, right up is forth; left down right up is fifth. I think the gearing is perfect however the system seems to be very tempermental. As I said I restored one to original even going so far as to track down the original shifters. Most people have told me to get rid of them and use a friction shifter on the left and a SA 3-speed trigger on the right but I'm being stubborn and like the fact that it is original and understand that it makes for a finnicky bike that is constantly in need of adjustment but I've learned to live with it. It kind of gives the bike character. Hope this helps. geo

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Sturmey 5 speed shft patterns posted by Robert on 7/7/2002 at 12:15:02 AM
Thanks Geo.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Sturmey 5 speed shft patterns posted by David on 7/8/2002 at 12:35:06 AM
There's a Nexus 7-speed (or is it 5?) on ebay now, roller brake model. I think the brake is easily removable, but I'm not sure. Also www.permaco.com recently had some SA 7-speeds and maybe some 5s. They use a single cable now.

AGE / VALUE: Wingnuts on 28 inch wheel bikes? posted by: Chris "the wingnut" on 7/5/2002 at 5:16:53 PM
They have been running this thing on t.v. about Vietnam and they show the tunnels and have interviews with all sorts of people and they showed the Viet Cong women with the bikes and the four 100 kilos of rice bags and the modified bikes to push this along on trails. They used bikes to keep supply lines going. I have seen this before as they keep running it. Before I switched off the T.V. I noticed that they were using alloy wing nuts on the front and rear wheels of the bikes.
The only place I ever saw wing nuts on bikes from our standpoint, were on the racing bikes, the 26 inch wheel "club bikes" like my Lenton Sports.
There is absolutly no reason why you cannot put a quick release wing nut on a 28 inch wheel bike. It's just for "some crazy reason" they were never offered or sold this way. A 28 inch rod brake roadster like the D.L.1. was always sold with regular spanner or wrench needing nuts. Never with wing nuts, not on the 28 inch wheel bikes. I never noticed this before on the t.v. spot and never thought about it before until now. A wing nut makes changing a tire and/ or wheel removal easier. Plus it is lighter.
So they had stronger axles fitted and used wing nuts on the bikes. I did not notice wheather or not tied spokes were used, and the rear hub was a single speed hub.

What exact make of bike? What country of origin did these bikes come from? The book "The Bicycle in Wartime" doesn't say what type of bike. Where did the Vietnamese get these bikes? England? Russia? where?
Wing nuts can and do catch on things so it's a saftey thing but it is more convient. The makers of bikes didn't want to increase liability and probably more realistically they didn't think of it for the 28 inch wheel bikes. Wing nuts had their place and nobody thought "outside the bun" and stuck them on 28 inch roadsters. I'm wondering why not?
As kooky as I am, I never thought of putting wing nuts on any of my 28 inch machines. I have a collection of wing nuts, boxes full. Many diffrent types and sizes were made. My 26 inch wheel Gazelle has alloy G.B.'s but this is a 26 and not a 28 inch wheel bike.
If you can find a copy the book "The Bicycle in Wartime" is interesting to read.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Wingnuts on 28 inch wheel bikes? posted by Oscar on 7/5/2002 at 8:59:02 PM
The only time a wing nut failed me was on a fixed gear. The rear would slip on those uphill intersections after the light turns green. I was riding an 88" gear on a 27" wheel, but I was asking a lot of the nut at those times. They are so much nicer to look at than plain nuts.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Wingnuts on 28 inch wheel bikes? posted by Warren on 7/6/2002 at 3:51:08 AM
Wingnuts work on the rear wheel of fixed bikes in combination with axle retainers. My 30's CCM Road Racer came with both.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Wingnuts on 28 inch wheel bikes? posted by David on 7/6/2002 at 11:06:57 AM
Wingnuts wouldn't help that much on a roadster, you'd still need one of those "swiss-cheese" wrenches to fix a flat tire.

MISC:   Upgrading your cycle bulbs to halogen posted by: David Poston on 7/5/2002 at 5:10:13 PM
I have a pair of Elite battery lamps upon which I would like to perform an upgrade to halogen bulbs. I located a source which sells krypton and halogen bulbs for cycles:


Has anybody had any experience (i.e. problems) with upgrading to these types of bulbs?

Thanks all,

   RE:MISC:   Upgrading your cycle bulbs to halogen posted by Edward in Vancouver on 7/5/2002 at 10:00:28 PM
Nah, no problems. Of course the little bulbs are expensive, but they definately put out a whiter, cleaner, and more powerfull light. You probably will incur problems getting the S.A. headlamp open. Its those !@#$* little clip/hook thingees that hold the reflector to the light fixture, that
you'll have problems with. It usually takes me 30 seconds to in-correctly fit the clip, a 250th of a second for the clip to fly out, and 10 minutes to find it. Then you can repeat the whole performance over again for a least two times until your kids come into the garage to find out why Daddy's so mad...
Have fun!
Regards, Edward in Vancouver

   Another question: How do I angle my headlamp up and down? posted by David Poston on 7/6/2002 at 3:35:31 AM

Thanks for the tip. Do you know if there is a way to angle the standard Raleigh front light bracket downward, so it hits the ground in front of your tire instead of pointing out across the neighbor's yard and shining in their window? Do you just bend it? Right now, my light is hitting the ground about 20 yards ahead of my front wheel. Is this normal?


WANTED:   Source for large wicker-type baskets posted by: David Poston on 7/5/2002 at 5:02:43 PM
I'm looking for some large wicker-type baskets to mount on the front handlebars. I'd prefer ones that come on and off easily. I'd like these so me and my fiance can go picnicking...

By the way, do you need to remove the front lamp bracket to install one of these?

Thanks all,

   RE:WANTED:   Source for large wicker-type baskets posted by rickey@knowles bicycle shop on 7/6/2002 at 2:39:35 PM
i have new basket with straps 22. plus s&h

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Source for large wicker-type baskets posted by Skip Intro on 7/9/2002 at 12:53:11 PM
They sell them right here on this site!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Gazelle posted by: Bill G on 7/5/2002 at 11:03:07 AM
Excellent! Thanks very much for the information regarding the old Gazelle. I will take it out of the barn and clean it so as to see the markings better. I'll check the crank for initials and look it over for any other markings.
Thanks again for your help.I will take some pictures and have them on the sight shortly,(I think) I have a pretty good scanner, but have never had the chance to transpose photos to e-mail. Bill G

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Gazelle posted by: Bill G on 7/5/2002 at 11:03:07 AM
Excellent! Thanks very much for the information regarding the old Gazelle. I will take it out of the barn and clean it so as to see the markings better. I'll check the cranl for initials and look it over for any other markings.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Gazelle posted by Diana Moneta on 7/8/2002 at 7:02:53 PM

I own a Gazelle Sport model. I think it was made before 1952. How much does such a gem go for?


P.S. It needs a bit re-wiring. Should I have a regular bike shop do it or should I take it to a specialty bike shop?

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Celulloid handlebar grips posted by: Peter on 7/5/2002 at 10:15:42 AM
Does anyone know if it possible to remove celulloid handlebar grips in such a way that they can be re-used? I'd also like to know the technique for fitting new ones - are they glued on?
I did find a (British) web site - http://www.dialpatterns.co.uk/grips.html - offering new grips for bicycles and motorcycles, but they are asking 25 pounds a pair. Thanks, Peter.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Celulloid handlebar grips posted by Edward in Vancouver on 7/5/2002 at 2:14:43 PM
Go down to a bargain basement shop and get the cheapest, vilest, most lurid spray can of hairspray possible. To fit new grips, spray the inside of the grip with sufficient hairspray and slide it on, you have about a half miute of time to properly position the grip before it siezes. Sheldon Brown's best advice for removing grips involves an airhose: Insert the airhose in to the opposite handgrip's little "breathing" hole at the end, and pump the handlebar full, now take hold of the opposite grip and work it loose, all the while with the airhose running. If this fails, get yourself a large hypodermic(spelling?) needle, fill it with water and dishsoap, and inject it inbetween the grip and the handlebar, then work the grip loose.
Hope this helps,
Edward in Vancouver

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Celulloid handlebar grips posted by Chris on 7/5/2002 at 5:44:57 PM
Edwards idea is probably better but I use hot water. I had a handlebar sent from Greece and these aweful original celulloid grips did not want to come off for anything. I destroyed them in the process and that was not so smart.