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Archived: English Roadsters

AGE / VALUE:SA 3spd with built in dynamo posted by: Ryan on 9/25/2002 at 12:17:21 AM
does anyone know anything about a Sturmey Archer hub, dated i thing '77 3spd which came with a dynamo built into the side of it. the model is AG

   RE:AGE / VALUE:SA 3spd with built in dynamo posted by Edward in Vancouver on 9/25/2002 at 3:07:20 AM
Great hubs, and they had a long production period, from 1946 to 1984. They are similiar to the AW, same gear ratios but have a shorter planet cage. If you need parts,you can still strip down a "donar"AW. A close cousin to the AG is the AB, they share the same hub and internals, but the latter has a 90mm drum brake. You can get more info on Tony Hadland's site.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Hercules Chain Guard posted by: Gary on 9/24/2002 at 4:38:13 PM
I have an old Hercules three speed. It has a Brampton rear hub, and the entire bike is in chrome. It is original as it has remanents of decals on the frame from Hercules. It is lacking but one part, and that is the chain guard. I would like to know what, if possible, what the correct chain guard would look like and possibly if any of you out there know of a source I could look into.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Hercules Chain Guard posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/26/2002 at 6:26:43 PM
The other Hercules chainguard covered half the chainwheel sprocket, the rear hub sprocket too.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Hercules Chain Guard posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/26/2002 at 6:29:48 PM
Also, Hercules had enclosed chainguards like other British bicycles of the period.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Hercules Chain Guard posted by Ed on 9/26/2002 at 12:46:52 PM
Hurcules had two chainguard styles in the 60s. The traditional Raleigh hocky stick being the most prevalent. The other covered more chain and was somewhat more streamlined. Good luck with your bike,

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Spokes posted by: David Poston on 9/24/2002 at 7:10:46 AM
I still can't figure out if I need stainless steel or zinc-plated spokes for a wheel rebuild on my Raleigh DL-1 (built 1970's). The spokes on all my English bikes have a dull, grey patina, which appears to be zinc or some alloy. Does this sound right?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Spokes posted by Jeff R on 9/24/2002 at 11:36:23 AM
Stainless spokes shine like chrome. Dull spokes are zinc.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Spokes posted by Jeff R on 9/24/2002 at 11:40:26 AM
Use a magnet. Stainless is non magnetic, zinc plated steel is magnetic.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Spokes posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/24/2002 at 3:42:08 PM
Regular spokes for this model. Regular spokes were fitted. Not zinc spoke per se either.
You could order up DT stainless steel spokes for this bike but the cost is higher. The bike looks way, way better, they never rust or get dull however. To be original for this year use regular spokes.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Spokes posted by Warren on 9/24/2002 at 11:29:19 PM
If you're going to ride it in all kinds of weather, do yourself a favour and use the stainless. I don't think you'll be entering the "Best in Show" competitions on the Vintage bike circuit...(grin). If they had stainless back then, they would use them too.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Spokes posted by Jeff R on 9/25/2002 at 2:10:22 AM
I have an origional Set of 1950 Raleigh wheels 26 X 1 3/8 that have stainless spokes. They sure look nice too.

   The spoke story continued posted by David Poston on 9/25/2002 at 5:38:41 AM

What are "regular" spokes? Just plain steel, no plating whatsoever?

I was reading this article on the web concerning a DL-1 from the 70's. The author says, "And the zinc-plated spokes have acquired a beautiful, dull-gray patina (not unlike anodized titanium or hard-anodized aluminum)...."


I could go with stainless spokes on my back wheel rebuild, but then my front wheel would have the zinc-plated or whatever spokes, and the contrast would be unseemly. I'd have to then rebuild my front wheel as well with stainless to match.

Let me know what "regular" spokes are, and if they are hard to obtain.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Spokes posted by Ben on 9/25/2002 at 1:41:46 PM
"Regular" spokes are galvanized. Do yourself a favor and rebuild both wheels with stainless. They will not rust, as others have mentioned, and also the nipples will be less prone to seizing over time, which means the wheels will last (be truable) much longer.


   RE:The spoke story continued posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/25/2002 at 3:51:25 PM
For that dull, wonderful patina, find yourself Raleigh brand spokes in the required size. Non stainless spokes and go for it. If you like that look and are not the type to dress it up then do that. non-stainless steel spokes were standard in these bikes in the 1970's.
Unless you were like me who whiped out one of 3 awesome cutters made by Var or Eldi and went chop, chop, chop and had the wheels re-built 15 seconds after buying the bike. Most nornal people left the spokes as is and didn't do this.
I dunno, It's your taste here for your bike.
Raleigh started using less stainless steel spokes in the 26 inch wheel bikes after 1960. I don't know if it was ever used in the 28 inch wheel Tourist D.L.1.'s I'll have to look. It's always delightful to find a wheel with stainless spokes but that has to be a older 1950's or earlier wheel and I don't see too many of these when going thru piles of wheels. The Raleigh spokes had little R-s on the spoke heads. I never re-built wheels with Raleigh spokes rather went to D.T. Swiss so my knowledge about Raleigh's range of spokes is limited as I have no experience with using them. It's possible one could order Sturmey-Archer spokes in Stainless Steel but everybody said "D.T. Swiss" and so I did. Raleigh/ Sturmey-Archer could have been a big aftermarket supplier like D.T. was. Perhaps they already were. They certainly had the capacity and quality capabilities so what happened? Question is: How did D.T. become the buzword and not Raleigh/ Sturmey-Archer?
Raleigh spokes were used in the Raleigh bikes as part of almost everything being made in-house. However when it came to spokes on the shelf and in use in the shops then it was D.T.'s. What happened?

Another thing is those wonderful oval spoke washers! What happened to using these? I pull apart 1970's era wheels and never see these washers! Cost cutting move? I think so. I believe Nick at LLoyds can supply those and I love using them in my bikes, I got a bunch recently and used them all up. The original ones rusted sometimes and eventually break when rusty and so I replace them. You can use hardware store washers of a certain type and size but I don't know that type and size. Heck ,you want to be period correct with the wheels, what about spoke washers? I wish they were easier to get. That attachment that goes into a drill is wonderful.

FOR SALE:Raleigh '72 Sports, ladies model posted by: Michael on 9/23/2002 at 10:15:30 PM
Tooling around eBay...


Raleigh '72 Sports, ladies model, auction seems to end Sept 25, sitting at $9.00...

   FOR SALE:Raleigh '63 Sports, gents model posted by michael on 9/23/2002 at 10:30:13 PM
Forgot to also list this one, not my offer, of course, but alerting those who may be interested...also, this is located in Chicago, my town! I see nice Raleigh stuff from time to time here...


Gents 1963 Raleigh Sports 3 speed bicycle with rod brakes and a generator, lots of nice photos...

   RE:FOR SALE:Raleigh '63 Sports, gents model posted by Oscar on 9/24/2002 at 9:26:20 PM
Michael, have you ever been to Cycle Smithy (the seller of the latter bike)? Check out the basement where the old ones are. Always something interesting. Nice people, too.

AGE / VALUE:Huffy Sportsman posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/23/2002 at 6:31:23 PM
E- BAY ITEM#716992038
1956 Raleigh "Huffy Sportsman" Bicycle bike
I have this exact style crank design on my 1952 Raleigh Gazelle "Campus Special"
Only mine is more nicely finished.
The fork on this e- bay bike is bent,(as you all can already see without needing me to tell you!) this is a nice color, my Raleigh made Hercules and Dunelt is this color.The cable housing covering is a neat touch.
My blue ladies Huffy Sportsman does not have that gold Raleigh decal underneath the seat on the down tube so it looks like this nice touch was discontinued later. Mine is a 1968 model year.
Oh, that horrible large H on the front! I still shudder at seeing these Raleigh Huffy's.

AGE / VALUE:Raleigh tin sign posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/23/2002 at 6:08:50 PM
$2,650.00 was the ending/winning bid on the Raleigh tin sign.
Unbelievable! Remember this and keep an eye on the look out.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Raleigh tin sign posted by Mark R. on 9/23/2002 at 7:46:30 PM
Oh my God! That is trully unbelievable!!!! Can you imagine it?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Raleigh tin sign posted by David on 9/23/2002 at 8:14:20 PM
When I'm in England later this week I won't waste my time looking for ASC hubs, that's for sure!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Raleigh tin sign posted by P.C. Kohler on 9/23/2002 at 8:37:05 PM
See, I said it was Silly Season... and that was months ago.

Me, I want to go to Nottingham when they start tearing up the now closed Raleigh works there. You just know there's a few storehouses packed to the ceiling with these signs, still wrapped in tissue paper....

P.C. Kohler, anticipating a lot of bare white squares revealed on the walls of cycle shops all over the world

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Rudge Whitworth Head Badge Questions posted by: Michael on 9/23/2002 at 3:53:58 PM
I recently purchased a 1939 Rudge Whitworth Sports model for a restoration project and am hoping to keep it as authentic to the period as possible. While I haven’t received it yet I know it’s missing some items such as the grips, chainguard, air pump, headlight, and head badge. Right now it’s the head badge I’m concerned about as the other items I hope to pick up as I come across them in the future. The head badge is an essential part of the beauty of the bike and is what gives it its “‘bragging” rights. I’m presuming that on a bike of this period the head badge would be made of metal and mounted on the bike rather than being a decal or a transfer. Would it be mounted with copper rivets, aluminum or steel? Is there a difference between a pre-Raleigh Rudge head badge and a head badge produced after 1943 when Raleigh owned the company? Did the Rudge motorcycles of this era use the same head badge? If your unfamiliar with the motorcycle head badge there’s one on auction now on Ebay as a reference:


I’ve been a lurker in this discussion group for a little while and I’ve already picked up quite a bit of valuable information. Any help anybody can provide would be greatly appreciated.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Rudge Whitworth Head Badge Questions posted by Michael on 9/23/2002 at 9:08:46 PM
I値l be checking with Lloyds and see what they have once the bike arrives since then I値l know exactly what I will need. I値l probably be ordering quite a bit from them as the bike was painted with blue house paint about twenty-five years ago. Fortunately, the painter spared most of the decals, at least judging by the pictures of seen so far, so I値l have an idea of what I知 looking for even if they aren't savable. The Motor Museum is an excellent idea and I will follow through with it. I joined your Yahoo newsgroup this last weekend as Grillparzer and will go back and look for the post 49 badge which I didn稚 see the first time. Thanks for your help!

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Rudge Whitworth Head Badge Questions posted by P.C. Kohler on 9/23/2002 at 9:28:17 PM
Blue housepaint?!! Gawd...

Has anyone tried using the spray Graffiti Remover? This is a rather mild spray paint remover (lots of acetone). Soak an old towel or sock with it, and buff gently. It removes paint but layer by layer and in a somewhat controlled fashion. Have some paint thinner ready to "Stop" the process. You might be able to save the original paint underneath this way. Or at least find out why someone felt obliged to daub the poor thing with blue housepaint.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Rudge Whitworth Head Badge Questions posted by Edward in Vancouver on 9/23/2002 at 11:31:25 PM
Micheal, does your headtube have three tiny holes in it? That's the best way of determining if there was a metal badge. I know Lloyds carries "newer" Raleigh badges, and more importantly, the copper rivets to go with them. You'll need to remove the fork to install a metal badge, and a big thick cylindrical piece of metal. Epoxy the badge into place, then put in the bottom rivets. Using the metal tube, flatten the thin end of the rivet against the inside of the heat tube. With the metal tube still in place, flatten the head of the rivet against the badge with a light tack hammer. This will ensure that the rivet is firmly in place and has no play to rattle free. Repeat with the other rivets.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Rudge Whitworth Head Badge Questions posted by Michael on 9/24/2002 at 3:24:40 AM
I don't know yet the pictures aren't good enough to tell. Hopefully the bike will ship by the end of the week.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Rudge Whitworth Head Badge Questions posted by P.C. Kohler on 9/23/2002 at 4:19:40 PM
Michael-- wow a 1939 Rudge! Don't see too many pre-Raleigh Rudges out there.

Assumptions: you have a Coventry-made machine not Raleigh of Nottingham which assumed manufacture c. 1943. So that gives you considerable bragging rights even without the badge.

We always assume the headbadge was/is or should be a lovely piece of metal riveted to the head tube. Hmmm. Wasn't always so, especially pre-war. Indeed I have a 1949 Rudge catalogue that boldly advertises that a new feature of that year's range was a handsome metal headbadge, clearly indicating that previously they used a transfer. James and other companies pre-war seemed to have transfers not metal badges.

Now... I wish I had a 1930s era Rudge catalogue. But I'd wager the badge was a transfer and just like on the motorcycles (zillions of websites and suppliers for those!). I don't know offhand if Lloyds stock Coventry era Rudge transfers but you should be able to get something from the motorcycle types. The smaller ones they used on pannier and battery cases for example.

I have a nice Rudge headbadge posted in my Yahoo Group "Roll Britannia" which will show you the classic post-1949 one. The famous hand and wheel are superimposed by a triangle. The Coventry original would be simply the hand and wheel. I have an extra Rudge Nottingham headbadge but that's of no use to you.

Finally, do contact the nice people who run the wonderful Motor Museum in Coventry which is Rudge heaven. Tons of motorbikes but also a nice collection of Rudge cycles. They might be able to tell you a lot. Coventry is a great city, bombed to bits of course but you can't beat Midlands hospitality. This one city gave us three icons of British transport: Rudge motorbikes, bicycles and the Morris Minor.

P.C. Kohler

AGE / VALUE:Raleigh tin sign posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/22/2002 at 7:23:37 PM
$1,800.00 and still seven hours left on that Raleigh tin sign!

AGE / VALUE:raleigh 20 with 3spd with built in dynamo posted by: Ryan on 9/22/2002 at 9:02:55 AM
i have just aquired a non folding raleigh 20 with pack rack, rack bag, tail light and unique 3spd sturmey archer hub with built in dynamo. any ideas on value of bike or of hub alone?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:raleigh 20 with 3spd with built in dynamo posted by David on 9/22/2002 at 2:43:52 PM
Folding models in good shape seem to get nearly $200 US when they are located in the States. I'd think a non-folder would fetch somewhat less and I don't think there's a "worldwide market" for these. The cost of shipping it to the States would easily be more than it's otherwise worth.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:raleigh 20 with 3spd with built in dynamo posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/22/2002 at 7:28:17 PM
People with boats love these bikes and you'll see expensive boats with old Raleigh's on them. See: Sheldon Brown's Raleigh Twenty page. Sheldonbrown.com

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Raleigh "cycle truck" posted by: Jeff on 9/22/2002 at 3:35:13 AM

Not my auction but pretty neat bike.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Where can I find pictures of decals/transfers ? posted by: rendus on 9/21/2002 at 11:19:54 PM
I've found the decal sheets you can use with an inkjet printer, but how can I make my own decals if I don't know what they are supposed to look like? I have a 62 Sport, no decals and the badge is plain brass. Is there any site on the web with photos/pictures of various badges and decals??
My only other choice is maybe there is a book with them.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Where can I find pictures of decals/transfers ? posted by sam on 9/22/2002 at 2:12:53 AM

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Where can I find pictures of decals/transfers ? posted by rendus on 9/22/2002 at 4:22:15 AM
Maybe i wasn't clear on what I own..a Raleigh 62 sport. The headtube badge says "Cavalier". pics or photos of decals for my bike would be helpful.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Where can I find pictures of decals/transfers ? posted by rendus on 9/22/2002 at 4:22:29 AM
Maybe i wasn't clear on what I own..a Raleigh 62 sport. The headtube badge says "Cavalier". pics or photos of decals for my bike would be helpful.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Raleigh Arrow posted by: David on 9/21/2002 at 8:28:25 PM
Anyone know what a Raleigh "Arrow" is? There's one on a bulletin board.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Raleigh Arrow posted by Scott Ebersole on 9/24/2002 at 1:32:39 AM
Was it called a Golden Arrow?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Raleigh Arrow posted by Chris on 9/22/2002 at 7:00:14 PM
What bulitin board? what address?
The arrow was an older model.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Raleigh Arrow posted by David on 9/22/2002 at 11:03:10 PM
It was sold when I called; I wanted to see it. It was described as 3-speed with dropped handlebars. A Sports with upside-down bars? A genuine sporty club-type bike? I just don't know.

AGE / VALUE:E-bay item #716132115 posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/21/2002 at 6:20:54 PM
E- bay item #716132115 23 Bicycle head/ frame badges English

They are offering a metal Humber badge which is neat. Many of the Humber bikes (Raleigh Era) had just a decal transfer and not a metal badge for the head tube. Must be a reason between models or time periods or perhaps just a switch for no reason at all.
I found it interesting that the Hercules Tourist badge had light, baby blue paint on it as mine has maroon on it. Does this mean that they had more than one exact type of badge for each color offered of the same model bike? How many diffrent colors of Hercules Tourist did original Hercules offer? I have a Maroon one and a Black one and a Green one.
Hercules (before Raleigh) made a wide variety of bikes. All with cool decals (transfers), colors of paint and chainguards. I love the Hercules hubs. E- bay is cool because it takes me on a virtual tour of all the diffrent things spread out over 100 years (and more) of cycle manufacture.
Not my auction, no relation to seller.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Hercules Cycle and Motor Co. posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 9/21/2002 at 6:33:47 PM
Hercules was founded by the late Sir Edmund Crane and I have a picture of Lady Kathleen Crane unveiling a plaque dedicating a cycling club's new building in England. She lent the club money to buy a building. Today it's probably all long gone.

AGE / VALUE:DL-1 fork length? posted by: Jeff Newbieraleighcollector on 9/21/2002 at 4:46:06 PM
Just wondering what the length of a 28" wheel fork is. Is it the same as a fork for 26 x 2.0 tires?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:DL-1 fork length? posted by David on 9/21/2002 at 6:31:23 PM
I'd be surprised if the two were close. The two tire sizes mean that the tire is about 28" or 26" diameter at the tread. So the larger one should be about an inch longer from the crown to the fork end to allow the same clearance.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Armstrongs Available posted by: Bob Magor on 9/21/2002 at 2:53:48 PM
I need help to overcome my O.C.D. (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder). For years I've been pulling good hardware out of Cape Cod landfills, and now have a problem with semi-good bikes rusting in my yard. I have neither the where-with-all to restore them, nor can I bring myself to take them back to the scrap metal pile. (It was a break-through for me to "narrow" my holdings to S/A transmissions.) For starters, I have six Armstrongs more or less intact (some more, some less). They are available free, and I will even be willing to arrange a "hand-off" if you are in the Cape Cod/Mass. area. Please e-mail if you want specifics at capecodmagors@yahoo.com.