AGE / VALUE:   2 Tone Phillips posted by: Ric Sona on 10/2/2003 at 3:23:56 PM
Hi again, saw a Phillips gents today at the local shopping mall. Funny thing, the bike has 2 tone paint, black and wine red, all over like army camof. Thinking that it might have been stolen and repainted, took a closer look, it seem to be original, ie. the decals on the down tube and seat tube are laid over the 2 tone paint. Could not date the bike, the rear wheel has been replaced, but the bike looks like 1980s, one side brake lever is original Phillips, but the liver looks like those we see on modern day MTB...

One more Q, meet a friend today, he was telling me about about a bike with Drive Shaft, no chain and made in Germany.
Anyone know of such a thing, drive shaft????.......Ric from Singapore

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   2 Tone Phillips posted by Edward in Vancouver on 10/3/2003 at 3:40:59 AM
Drive shafts are nothing new. At my favorite bikeshop (Ace Cycles, Vancouver) there's a circa 1910 men's Columbia hanging high above the cash register. Wood rims, drive shaft, even a rear suspension. Very similar to the motorcycle mono-shock design, basically a spring between the the seat clamp and where the seatstays join. Frame looks like it was made of cast iron though. According to a collector's cycle book, the shaft drive wasn't very efficient, lost aprox 15% power due to the bevel gears. Mind you though, this was 1910. It just makes me wonder how many modern ideas are just recycled...

Edward, formerly of Hougang Ave 10, S'pore...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   2 Tone Phillips posted by Matthew on 10/2/2003 at 7:41:15 PM
German shaft drive, The Vaterland. brilliant and so smooth to ride. I think they might be Austrian. My friend Harry has one and his is pre WW2.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   2 Tone Phillips posted by Jeff Bikeguy on 10/3/2003 at 12:24:20 AM
There's some new shaft drive bikes out too. They even have multispeed hubs. These come around every few years as a "new and exciting" idea.

AGE / VALUE:   pics of new Brooks stuff posted by: dash on 10/2/2003 at 1:03:46 PM
Brooks is updating its site, but have posted a small pic of the new panniers and bags. Looks like brown canvas (?) Hopefully more info soon...Wallingford has only a little info:

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Paint Question posted by: Mike R on 10/2/2003 at 1:23:41 AM
I've been having a hard time finding bronze green touch up paint for my old Raleigh 3 speed. Anyone know where I might find some? Thanks for the help.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Paint Question posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/2/2003 at 1:27:29 AM
Just scroll down.. this has already been discussed here.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Drake - Made in England posted by: Chris on 10/1/2003 at 10:13:06 PM
Does anyone know about Drake bicycles? The head badge has a picture of an old time ship on it. Also it reads "Made in England." It is a single speed with a coaster brake. I would appreciate any information. Thanks.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Drake - Made in England posted by Warren on 10/1/2003 at 11:35:16 PM
I had a Drake 3 speed Sports model that was mid 60's...fixed it and sold it to someone. That's all I remember.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Drake - Made in England posted by sam on 10/2/2003 at 2:36:40 AM
What was the name of Sir Frances Drake's ship?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Drake - Made in England posted by alonzo on 10/2/2003 at 5:40:00 AM
I believe it was the Golden Hind. Now how about that for a cycle name?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Drake - Made in England posted by David on 10/2/2003 at 10:40:04 AM
Isn't Drake yet another private label from a dept or chain store?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Drake - Made in England posted by Chris on 10/3/2003 at 12:36:54 AM
Look at the steering headset. Is this Raleigh or Phillips made?
Drake is probably a name coined up by Raleigh to be sold by some department or hardware store.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Drake - Made in England posted by Kevin on 1/27/2004 at 1:02:14 PM
Our family had two Drakes purchased in the early 70's from a BIKE SHOP in Colonie, NY They were black with white trim. Both were three speed, cable brake. One was a men's frame one a ladies but other than that they were identical.

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh's DL-1 production line posted by: David Poston on 10/1/2003 at 10:06:08 PM
This is a Raleigh production history related question. I am trying to understand more about the phenomenon of the DL-1 in the 1960s-70s. It seems that are more profuse here in the US than in England. I have contacted many in England who have never even heard of a "Raleigh DL-1." So, why the large number of imports of these pre-war style roadsters with icky 60s-70s fitments into the United States? I mean, what was Raleigh thinking...Including a 28" roadster alongside their Choppers and such in the catalogs? The Raleigh DL-1 is such a strange anamoly, an anachronism. Was Raleigh, now in the throes of their dying empire, merely trying to exploit a new market (i.e., America), which had never yet seen a 28" roadster before? Why is it that we see lots of 28" roadsters pre-war, and then nothing until the (re)emergence of the Raleigh Tourist in the 60s and 70s? This topic has been bugging my curiosity for quite some time.

David, who's been spending the better part of a year trying to send his pair of DL-1's back to the 1930s.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh's DL-1 production line posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/2/2003 at 1:25:42 AM
True. Even the august VC-C (Veteran Cycle Club) of Britain in reviewing "Roll Britannia" thought my DL-1 was a Chinese bike!!! Amazing.

The DL-1 is really the colonial export model. Of course it was sold in the UK but never called a DL-1. It was the Raleigh no. 1 Popular or later the Tourist. When most folks changed to the handier Dawn low bracket model, the DL-1 lost favour in Britain. But it remained Raleigh biggest export model.

Its success in the United States may be due to the fact Americans are taller than Brits (I still can't buy trousers off the peg in Marks & Sparks in England and I take only a 34" inseam!). The DL-1 was not a 60s-70 phenom; it was offered in the USA since 1937.

As for being offered along with the Chopper and, I might add, the Professional and International, in the 70s, well too right.... Raleigh unlike any cycle company of the era offered the widest range of quality bikes in the world. Period. That's what made Raleigh best.

As for "icky 60s-70s fitments", well I don't know about that David. Except for those wretched late 70s reflectors, there was nothing icky about 70s DL-1s. Indeed, it's a bit pointless dating DL-1s. The point is that they are timeless. True classics. That are indeed better known and loved outside of the country that made them.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh's DL-1 production line posted by sam on 10/2/2003 at 2:48:37 AM
28" wheeled bikes are favored where bikes are used for adult transportation.That's the reason 28" wheel bikes were stopped being built in the USA around 1937.Infact shortly after 1900 bicycles in the US were second to motored vehicles.The Bicycle company just keep building what the had till Richard Schwinn re-invented the bicycle as a childs toy.And children needed simple heavy duty bikes with smaller rims---the classic American Balloon bike!In the 70s bikes again found favor withn adults that's why they went to 27" and now 700 rims---sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh's DL-1 production line posted by CatfoodRob on 10/4/2003 at 10:47:31 AM
The "DL" Nnumbers were never used in England, only the U.S.A.
All U.S.A. Raleigh bikes had a "DL" cataogue number. The 28 in roadster had DL1 as its catalogue number and the name stuck. The bikes werent in all the Raleigh U.K. catalogues, in fact appart from a Superbe in late 1970`s, ive never seen what you know of as a DL1 in my u.k. catalogues...(although ive only got a small collection from the 70`s.)

AGE / VALUE:   BSA SLR posted by: Ric Sona on 10/1/2003 at 1:18:08 PM
Hi Guys, hows everyone over at the other side of the ball. I have a Q to ask, anyone knows what a BSA SLR. I saw one the other day, everything ,the seat, handlebars, chainguard, everything is marked with BSA. The funny thing is that the chainguard covers only the outside unlike the roadsters full chaincase. The bike looks quite new, 1980s, the Q is when BSA stop producing / supplying parts. Is it worth anything. Have not search for the owner, the bike is parked at the void deck of a block of appts with two flat tires.....Thanks...Ric from Singapore.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   BSA SLR posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/1/2003 at 9:40:43 PM
This is doubtless an Indian-made BSA and I think they may still produce machines under the BSA name but in India. I am not sure when the last British-made BSA bicycle was produced. Most of these brands, produced by Raleigh in Nottingham since the early 1960s, were gone by the early 1970s. Humbers are still made in India and I've seen Indian BSAs offered as well. If it's indeed an Indian BSA it's worth, I imagine, whatever an old Indian bike is worth... which ain't much!

P.C. Kohler, always marvelling at how the Indians revere these proud British names more than the British!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   BSA SLR posted by sam on 10/2/2003 at 2:52:05 AM
I've seen these half/full chain cases on Sears bikes from the 50s or 60s

AGE / VALUE:   Dunelt 24" Rod Brake Bike posted by: Joe on 10/1/2003 at 6:12:42 AM
I was wandering if anyone has a way of telling the year of a Dunelt? I came across a 24" model with rod brakes today. It's complete minus it's seat. The serial number starts with the letter 'G' and has 7 digits. It's located on the left side of the seat lug. The bike is brown in color and is in fair condition, paint is dull but not to badly scratched and has only minor surface rust here and there on the chrome parts. This is the first 24" Rod brake bike I have seen, and along with this bike I also got a 20" Caloi also with rod brakes! This is a new brand for me, does anyone know where or when Caloi bikes were made?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Dunelt 24 posted by JC on 10/1/2003 at 8:20:44 PM
The Dunelt will have two digit date code on the rear hub.
There are Caloi cycles in the Picture Database.

MISC:   NOS Raleigh forks... posted by: Warren on 9/30/2003 at 8:30:34 PM

Just in case anyone is doing a nice Sports restoration and needs them. Not mine etc.

   RE:MISC: NOS Raleigh forks... posted by Warren on 9/30/2003 at 8:33:33 PM
Whoops...look at these. What are they off of?

   RE:MISC:   NOS Raleigh forks... posted by gary m on 10/1/2003 at 6:14:15 AM

   RE:RE:MISC:   NOS Raleigh forks... posted by Jeff R on 10/1/2003 at 11:30:58 AM
The long stem forks fit mens bikes with a 23" frame and ladies bikes.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What have I got here posted by: John on 9/30/2003 at 4:03:34 PM
I recently bought an old Raleigh somthing (I know not what)
the Sturmey Archer dyno hub has 50 stamped on it and is called Dyno4Four does this mean it is a 4 speed hub the bike has only a 3 speed shifter the serial number of the machine is 838062P.I am trying to restore it to it's original condition but I have no idea how to find the original paint color also the only way I can get the lights to work is by bypassing the Dry Battery Unit.
Has any one out there got any idea just what model I have and what the proper paint color should be,also are the decals still available.Many thanks in advance for any help with this.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What have I got here posted by Edward in Vancouver on 10/1/2003 at 12:27:58 AM
Dyno-hubs, my favorite! Yes you have an FG hub, which is a fourspeed with a generator. Take a look on the left side of the hub, does it have a long axle nut similar to the one on the right? These hubs are rare in N. America, as they were never imported. Four speed triggers are even more rare, and I can only assume (mind you assumptions are dangerous things...) that the original 4 spd trigger broke, no suitable one could be found, so a 3 spd trigger was substituted. With some luck and some help from people on this site you might be able to locate a used 4 spd trigger. You can read all about the FG, the D.B.U., and all the other goodies by getting the info off of Tony Hadland's site. (, I think) Just out of curiousity, does the D.B.U. have two wires coming out of the top end, or does it have four wires?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What have I got here posted by Edward in Vancouver on 10/1/2003 at 12:41:04 AM
Oh, original colour, You're gonna have to play "detective", but it's hard work. The best places are the fork stem, but you have to dismantle the fork for that, then under the "Raleigh" Heron badge, but you'll have to remove the badge for that. The next best places are under the gear cable fulcrum clamp, the chainguard clamps, and the D.B.U. clamps. What else does your bike have? With a dyno-four and D.B.U., does it have a locking fork? are the wheels 26" or 28", cable or rod brakes? Kickstand, bell, or package carrier? And the big one, what kind of chainguard?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What have I got here posted by John on 10/1/2003 at 4:19:51 PM
Hi Edward in answer to your questions yes it does have a locking fork but sadly no key,it does have a kickstand and a bell,it has 26"x 1 3/8 wheels and a small what we would call a saddle bag attached to the rear of the saddle which is a leather Brooks with 2 springs and an adusting screw at the front of it.Who ever did the paint job (which looks like a professional job) was very particular and took everything off of the frame to paint it. It's a sort of pale green color and I'm beginning to wonder if it was maybe somekind of special.For instance all the postmen over here have red bicycles.Maybe it was an old policemans bike or something like that.Oh and it has a fully enclosed chainguard.The D.B.U has 4 wires coming from it 2 go to the dyno hub and 2 to the lights.I have had to connect the 2 that go to the lights to the other 2 in order to get the lights to work.Inside the cap there is some sort of what I can only guess is a type of rectifier and at the bottom of the unit is just a hole that looks as if somthing belongs in there.
Yes the hub does have a long axle nut the same as the one on the other side except that it has a hole through the side of it.
Many thanks for your help so far Edward I'm pretty new to all this stuff and every bit of information I can get hold of is greatly appreciated.
P.S I have just come back from a trip to the dump where they have a section where people can throw their old bikes and lying there all rusting away was another old Raleigh 3 speed, this one a ladies bike, rod brakes and everything and the date stamp on the hub?.... 48 you just can't believe what people throw away can you ? probably just bought some new bike that in 5 years will be a pile of you no what.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What have I got here posted by John U.K on 10/1/2003 at 4:26:14 PM
sooooooooo any one out there know where I can get hold of a 4 speed Sturmey Archer gear selector??

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What have I got here posted by P.C. Kohler on 10/1/2003 at 9:44:12 PM
These should be easy to find if you're in England. They come up on eBay frequently. Remember that c. 1950-1960 S/A produced one trigger that could be used for three or four speeds. Although I must admit I have never quite figured out how to adjust it to use for a three-speed! If you have a dynofour, you've got no problem. I bet you'd find triggers in many older British bike shops. In the USA, four-speed hubs as mentioned were not standard.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What have I got here posted by Bryan Masone on 10/1/2003 at 11:39:14 PM
The dump is often an EXCELLENT place to find old bikes. I bring my mom's garbage to the dump for her once a week and have found some amazing bikes and parts there. Sometimes I even go twice a week if I'm antsy. Nice find!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What have I got here posted by Edward in Vancouver on 10/2/2003 at 3:49:26 AM
The locking fork is the clincher, only Superbe's had the locking fork. You're the proud new owner of a Superbe, Raleigh's top-of-the-line Roadster. You can also brag to your friends that this machine was state of the art in the late 'fourties, because you don't have a D.B.U., you have a F.S.U. a filter switch unit. This is a battery/electronic device that switches power from battery to dyno-hub. For instance, at speeds under 9 miles /hr the device switches to battery power, at speeds over 9 mph, the device switches to dynopower. If you're at all familiar with electronics, you can repair this device with simple parts from an electronic store and a sketch from Tony Hadland's site. I did, am I'm just a chef, still can't get the soldering paste out of the tablecloth...
If you're on the "other side of ther pond", you have many luxuries and advantages that we N.Americans don't have. Check out the "Peters" that is Pete from WWW.Old Cycle bits, and Peter Read from Pheonix Hub Gear Repairs, in Milton Keynes. Ask for used 4 spd or a combo "3 or 4 spd" triggers. New ones are rare and very expensive. Decals can be got at Nick at Lloyds also in England. Replacement bulbs, HALOGEN bulbs, especially made for S/A dynohubs can be had at Reflectalite, of U.K.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What have I got here posted by John on 10/2/2003 at 11:26:10 AM
Thanks Edward I'll get straight on it.Do you think white wall tires or just plain black?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What have I got here posted by Clyde on 10/2/2003 at 11:34:51 AM
Great find. I've mentioned in previous posts that a good locksmith can cut a new key for the locking fork by using the code stamped in the chrome face of the cylinder.
The local scrap yard has been a source of bikes and parts. I once was able to purchase virtually any frame for 10 cents a pound! Now they seem to have mostly cheap MTBs, so I just search for parts for current, and on-going restorations.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   What have I got here posted by Edward inVancouver on 10/2/2003 at 5:20:35 PM
On this website you'll find blow-up diagrams of the Raleigh/Rudge/Humber bicycles, and there is one drawing of the locks used for all of these bikes. Take your bike and a copy of this drawing to a good locksmith, and he should be able to make you a key within 5 minutes. I think the lock is also used on an English car (Rover? Morris? can't remember) Of course the lock is'nt much good as a theft detterent, but it sure comes in handy when your bike is mounted in a stand and you can stop the front wheel from flopping around.
I beleive the orginal tires on Superbes were Dunlop gumwalls, but you'll never find these. There are cheap gumwalls, Tiawanese, I think, and expensive ones, Michelin or Schwalbe, let your wallet be the Judge...

MISC:   Cycles of Yesteryear Net Store posted by: Fassa O~Gara on 9/30/2003 at 1:08:52 AM
Nice little internet store, ; nice used bikes, Elswick, Sunbeams, and more.

Fassa O'Gara

AGE / VALUE:   english western flyer "tourist" posted by: Robert on 9/29/2003 at 4:09:16 PM
I have a England built Western Flyer "Tourist" model. It has a three speed sturmey archer hub and is ser #2904 any info about this bike would be appreciated. The hub has two numbers stamped on it 60 and 10 beneath the S/A logo. Cheers!

MISC:   Italian Roadster posted by: Italian Roadster , Alta Romana on 9/29/2003 at 3:01:51 PM
I am not the seller nor a relation to; think, I would fess up to the small photos for ebay # 3628969255 ;

But if one gets by this, I think, this is a nice looking bike, probably Single Speed ; headlamp , chainguard that appears short (shorter than your Raleighs at least), I have seen on some Continent bicycles. Again, there might be something nice hear; but the photo size limits one examining it.

MISC:   Sturmey Archer Built? posted by: Joe on 9/29/2003 at 9:11:00 AM
I saw this on eBay, it's similar to one I have, were these hubs built by Sturmey Archer? Do they share the same internals? Mine is in need of a serious overhaul. I have a low miles Sturmey Archer which I kept for parts, I was considering swapping out the internals for those of the Sturmey hub. They look like they are identical except for the logo stamped on them. Does anyone here know for sure if they are compatable? This is on a rider and not a restoration. I would spoke in the S/A hub but it's a 36 hole hub and mine is 40.

   RE:MISC:   Sturmey Archer Built? posted by Joe on 9/29/2003 at 9:21:29 AM
Sorry, forgot to include the link to the one on eBay:
(not mine)

AGE / VALUE:   69 Dunelt being parted. posted by: Gary Main on 9/29/2003 at 5:32:33 AM
am parrting a 69 Dunelt ladies bike. has a 40 spoke 6 69 dates SA aw model. the sideways D fork, and a few other oddities, any interest? was a rider till it got hit in the shop and ruined the rear rim.

WANTED:   Vintage racks posted by: Dale on 9/29/2003 at 1:27:11 AM
I'm considering a short tour on the Superbe and am looking for info on true-to-period racks and bags. My guess would be that I should fit it with a steel Raleigh rack and some canvas saddle bags, perhaps with a canvas seat bag. If I remember correctly, 1969 was about the time the original Pletcher rack came out, so one of those would be appropriate, right? (Presuming I could find one that hadn't broken yet...)

   RE:WANTED:   Vintage racks posted by Dale on 9/29/2003 at 1:35:04 AM
P.S., I'm also looking for a pin-type cyclometer for 26" wheel. I have one for 27" wheel I'd be willing to swap, though it does have three or four thousand miles on it.

   RE:WANTED: Vintage racks posted by jack on 10/2/2003 at 3:44:44 AM
I'm a little new to English 3-spd but I just finished a refurb on a 68-70 Superbe w/orig rear rack. The rack is pressed steel w/chrome spring-loaded holder. The pressed steel portion is painted same as bike, and is stamped PRESTUBE MINOR along w/pat # and Reg#.