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Archived: English Roadsters

FOR SALE:   Headlight came off roadster/ humber posted by: Stephen Thorpe on 12/8/2003 at 4:30:44 AM
I have a sealed beam light with handlebar clamp that came off an old Humber or raleigh.
Asking $15. plus shipping. Write for pictures

AGE / VALUE:   Trying to identify an old bike posted by: Martin Conway on 12/7/2003 at 11:45:44 PM
Hi All

I have been trying to figure out the origin and age of my classic (old) bike. I picked it up cheap from the rubbish tip a couple of months ago for use as parts in constructing a chopper bicycle but have become attached to it and intend to use it as my main bike.

It unfortunatly has been repainted and retains very little in the way of identification. It is similar to an english three speed in that it has a 3 speed hub and bolt on seat stays, it also has horizontal rear dropouts, and bike pump mounting lugs on the back of the seat post.

But it has a shimano grip shifter 333 3 speed rear hub, german "union" pedals and a "KOBA" rack which bolts on at the same point as the seat stays. The logo on the "KOBA" rack seams to be a hand shake.

I have photos of it on-line at http://www.cyber-fish.com/gallery/green-bike

any advice would be greatly appreciated.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Trying to identify an old bike posted by Martin Conway on 12/8/2003 at 12:09:01 AM
I should also have mentioned that I am in Australia.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Trying to identify an old bike posted by MR on 12/8/2003 at 6:09:06 PM
It looks like it may be Chinese, or possibly older Indian made or maybe even Japanese, or something like that. I notice that is has the squashed style fork tips instead of a drop-out, that usually is an indication it might be Asian. I think the rear wheel is a replacement. Your lot had an old Ozzie brand "Simpsons", or "Simpkins" I think, or something along those lines. It may have been made for them. I would bet it's Asian though. It's early Summer where you are isn't it? You lucky bum!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Trying to identify an old bike posted by Ed on 12/8/2003 at 7:16:34 PM
I picked up a bike with alot of similar characteristics at a yard sale five years ago.Mine has a Shimano three speed rear hub,Vanguard brakes. It has a typical Raleigh head badge which says Raleigh Bicycle Co.of America rather than Nottingham as found on English Raleighs.The experts at our LBS tell me that they believe that it was made in China,mid to late seventies, for the export trade.My bike appears to be all original. Brown in color with a Sport(not Sports)transfer on the top tube bordered in red.It,s not a bad ride I,ve put rather alot of winter miles on it since paying $20.00 for it five years ago,I can be precise as to how long I've owned it because I got it the same weekend that my twin granddaughters were born. Hope this is helpful Good Luck with your bike.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Trying to identify an old bike posted by Martin Conway on 12/9/2003 at 1:22:31 AM
Thanks to everyone for their advice.

From what you have all said I believe I have an asian manufactured english 3-speed replica probably made in the 70s.

I believe the rear wheel is probably original as the rim matches the fron one exectly.

It has the older style 333 shimano hubs front and back. If I could figure out when shimano changed to their later style 3-speed hubs it might help me date the bike a bit better.

Yes it is early summer here, a nice time of year for riding. I am glad I don't live somwhere where it snows.


MISC:   Goggles posted by: David on 12/7/2003 at 1:26:33 PM
If your eyeballs are cold while you ride, you might want to try Visorgogs. (Just search for them with Google) They're lab safety goggles that fit easily over glasses, with a good visor and vents. They don't fog easily and are cheap.

   RE:MISC:   Goggles posted by Ed on 12/8/2003 at 7:24:31 PM
Good advice. I always wear sun glasses on summer rides particularly, to keep bugs or dust from leaf blowers from getting in my eyes.

   RE:MISC:   Goggles posted by Catfood Rob on 12/8/2003 at 11:08:51 PM
Good grief, you guys do things the hard and expensive way....
I simply keep my eyes shut whilst bicycling, solves all problems...

AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 Roadsters posted by: jack on 12/7/2003 at 2:22:11 AM
I'm starting to run into quite a few late model DL-1s and because I already have 3, am reluctant to buy more. But, I can't resist a "bargain" either. Since I've recently seen bikes ranging from $75 (needed cleaning and faded paint which I bought) to very nice on the web pushing $500, I'm unsure what the going rate should be. Seems like 250-$300 for a clean garaged example is about right with anything less than $100 a "bargain" if its all there and isn't bent. These prices reflect availability here in N. Cal, do these prices sound about right with respect to where you live?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 Roadsters posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/7/2003 at 12:54:08 PM
Sounds about in the ballpark. $75 is surely a bargain and in spite of the plethora of velocipedes that I currenly have here, I would snatch it up right quick for that money.

Thing is, I come across Sports models rather often as well... and so far, I've acquired three of them for $10 or less. Yard sales, that sort of thing is a good place to keep an eye out. Especially in older neighborhoods where mom and dad have lived for an age... and they are cleaning out the garage and selling off the "kids" bikes!

Happy hunting!

Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   DL-1 Roadsters posted by Ed on 12/8/2003 at 7:41:43 PM
I paid $350 for mine serveral years ago, then added another $80 for a dyno-hub and new spokes to re-build the front wheel.Iknow of two for sale in our area now.One is far from nos but in good mechanical condition. The owner wants $200 for it,the other one is in much nicer condition as far as paint and appearance are concerned. the owner of that one wants $400 for it. I can't recall seeing one yet for as little as $75,but there may be some out there.If I found one for that price I think I would have to buy it.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: DL-1 Roadsters posted by jack on 12/9/2003 at 6:03:13 AM
Thanks to all for your responses. One reason I asked this question is I have a line on a supposedly "very nice" women's Tourist for $150. That would make 4 DL-1s if I bought it and I'm running out of room! (not to mention starting to sneak bicycles in thru the back door!)

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: DL-1 Roadsters posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/11/2003 at 12:24:31 AM
Four, eh? Well, could be "cherry picking" time for you if you're running out of room. That's been my plan from the start. I gots a BUNCH of Sports, different "makes" and as I acquire more, I just keep the best ones for myself. I do clean them up and go over them mechanically and sell them... but... the best ones, I keep.

Currently, the nicest of the Sports I have is a Raleigh LTD 3 that was actually mfg'd in Holland. It's red and in excellent condition.

But then... if I had 4 DL-1's... I would be very hard pressed to part with ANY of them!



WANTED:   Where can I find... ? posted by: red on 12/6/2003 at 8:58:56 PM
Does anyone know where I can find a hockey stick chain guard for a roadster with 28" wheels? I have seen a website selling 3rd world fully enclosed chain guards, which would have been fine with me except the bike doesn't have that little threaded hole on the chain stay to screw the chain guard into. This is for a bike I had to repaint (someone had brushed on thick green house paint), so a rusty, scratched, chipped, or otherwise ugly chain guard is something I would gladly accept. If anyone knows where I can get such a thing, please let me know. Thanks.

   RE:WANTED:   Where can I find... ? posted by Ed on 12/9/2003 at 3:18:58 PM
Check the parts for sale section on this sight.They had serveral hocky stick guards for sale the last time I checked.

AGE / VALUE:   helmets posted by: James on 12/6/2003 at 9:50:01 AM
Does anyone know of a bicycle helmet that doesn't look completely silly when worn by someone riding a 40 year old Raleigh. the one i have, is aerodynamic (what for? I am overweight, I smoke and I ride a heavy raleigh, I don't need to be more aerodynamic it wont make any difference)and it has a lot of open space- not nice when you live in a rainy place like portland. Am I going to have to buy an old scooter helmet. I don't really care for the design of most bicycle helmets, they seem to sit on the very top of the head rather than protecting all of one's skull

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   helmets posted by Ward Davis on 12/6/2003 at 5:12:30 PM
James: I too am 49,smoke, and go at a top speed of about 12 miles per hour. The only danger for me would be a pigeon flying into my head! Maybe we should get those Nazi soldier helmets. We can ride our Brit bikes, and when people ask, we can say that we got the helmets when we shot down Messerscmidts that were bombing the Nottingham factory!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   helmets posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/6/2003 at 6:45:08 PM
To your point, sir, I've been pondering something similar. A small, non DOT, "Beanie" motorcycle helmet. Heck, I wear my "biker" leathers whilst riding in the cool weather anyhow.....


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   helmets posted by James on 12/6/2003 at 7:17:21 PM
What I'd like to do it get one of those WW1 leather pilots caps, goggles and a white scarf for bike riding, I could call myself biggles and ride around in search of the hun.. well I'm scared of being run over by an SUV so that isn't going to happen. I think I should go down to the vespa store to see what helmets they sell, I'd like to get something simple, black, round, not open to the rain

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   helmets posted by David Poston on 12/6/2003 at 8:44:22 PM
Here's what you need--goggles, and one of those wonderful leather motoring jackets and helmets. I just can't afford these right now.



Oh, don't forget the RAF turtleneck sweater underneath the jacket.

David, who likes to reduce the incongruities between his attire and vintage bicycle to a minimum

   RE:AGE / VALUE: helmets posted by jack on 12/6/2003 at 8:50:35 PM
James et al, checkout the helmets for skateboarders. They are smaller, non-aero styled, and perhaps inexpensive.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: helmets posted by WArren on 12/7/2003 at 1:20:20 AM
I have the Aviator 4440 series and I can tell you they are beautiful, comfortable goggles. I use them on motorcycles but bikes? Why not.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: helmets posted by Tim on 12/7/2003 at 9:05:53 PM
BMX/skateboard helmets follow a different aesthetic, and are generally less expensive, it seems. In addition, they seem like they may last longer, since the shells are more durable plastic. They all seems to have the same approval from the regultory authorities.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: helmets posted by Ken on 12/8/2003 at 6:26:46 PM
From a style standpoint, I would suggest an old no-shell style, since the modern ones make you look like you're in a hurry, but manufacturers seem to think styrofoam has a short life expectancy as helmet material. However: no esthetic could be stylish enough to make up for, or silly enough to look sillier than, a trip to the emergency room because you hit your head on the pavement... get a real bike helmet that fits, and wear it.

MISC:   On Ebay! posted by: jack on 12/6/2003 at 2:16:21 AM
Maybe its just me,
but it kinda bugs me to see Posts alerting the group to items for sale on ebay. I have at least 3 reasons, perhaps selfish, for feeling this way. 1) I spend time "hunting" on ebay for precious bits that may be overlooked by those whose financial resources blow me away. Then somebody announces to the WORLD that there's a nice Hetchin's frame on ebay for just $20, which I had under surveillance, it just pisses me off! 2) The last 5 or 6 posts in this area are to announce ebay sales. Is this the best use of this unique forum and its resources? I don't think so but its not my forum. 3) When I sell one of my bikes, I will first offer to friends and acquaintences, then local market, then list members, then ebay as last resort. The way I look at it, the list members are an extension of my world who also share my passion and provide invaluable advice. Therefore, I think it is sort of an insult to announce to the group that you have something for sale on ebay, especially if you did not offer it to the group first!
Like I first said, maybe its just me.

   RE:MISC: On Ebay! posted by P.C. Kohler on 12/6/2003 at 4:12:20 AM
No, Jack.. it's not just you!

It sounds selfish but I hate it, too, when one's little eBay "discovery", that wonderful machine whose real worth and value is cloaked in ignorance or indifferently portrayed (it's amazing really how 'orrible a photo of a bike can be!) and sits there unknown and unloved by all but you.... 12 people have looked at it (and you account for 8 of those viewings).... 18 hours to go and then, WHAM, some cheery, helpful bloke on this very site.... points out there is a
1939 Humber Royal Roadster, 26" frame, 28" wheels, 12 v. dynohub, near mint, blue..... $19.95...

Worse still these are invariably the people who don't even BID on it themselves of course!!

At least you types were all asleep back in April when I bought that "Raleigh sports Bike, Nottingham" for $86 which turned out to be a 1949 Clubman..

P.C. Kohler

   RE:MISC:   On Ebay! posted by James on 12/6/2003 at 9:40:45 AM
I'm no fan of ebay, by increasing an items exposure you increase the likelyhood that a person with $$$$ to spend will find it, suddenly ordinary bikes that I consider to be everyday transportation become museum pieces going to Peugeot 505 money. What really bothers me is when sellers write something like " would look good in restaurant or bar " these are real bicycles, I use old raleighs as everyday transportation, I don't need any amateur collectors driving up the prices because they think a Raleigh Sports in going to be the next Whizzer

   RE:RE:MISC: On Ebay! posted by Stacey on 12/6/2003 at 2:04:50 PM
As an eBay Power Seller and regular visitor to these boards I can see both sides of this issue with equal validity.

The object of selling an item on eBay is to realize as much of it's value as any two people are willing to pay for it. The more people you have looking at your item the better the chances are of realizing a higher return. A common sense no brainer.

Conversly, the common sentiment of this and most of the other boards on the OldRoads site seems to be geared towards a sharing of information and doing a good turn for those which have helped you. Add to this the party in question, in a years time, has come here as a rank amature, not even knowing what end of a hammer to screw with, and proceeded to bleed this board for all the information he could extract... for FREE! This my friends and detractors is snakebelly ethics. Take for free, and give to the highest bidder.

Tisk, tisk, tisk

   RE:MISC:   On Ebay! posted by MR on 12/6/2003 at 4:07:50 PM
Oh hey! That's how I got that great frame! Neener, neener, neener!!!

   RE:MISC:   On Ebay! posted by Ward Davis on 12/6/2003 at 5:06:26 PM
Jack: I agree with you. The best things I have ever purchased were NOT thru ebay but thru searching on my own locally.I recently bid and won some christophe toe clips for $9.00 from a seller listed 10 miles from me. He will not let me pick them up. He will ONLY ship for $7.00. Gee, do you think he's making $$$ on the shipping? Duh!

   RE:MISC:   On Ebay! posted by David on 12/6/2003 at 5:14:31 PM
There's no reason not to blow the horn for your own auctions. If you find a possible bargain, though, that you're NOT bidding on yourself, I suggest alerting only friends who might be interested. If the PX-10 is already at $5K, it doesn't matter. As far as shipping goes, I've been chiselled by very few bicycle sellers. Among general junk dealers, though, a lot of them will tell you something weighs twenty pounds and will cost plenty to ship - when you receive it you find it cost $2. I give negative feedback to sellers who won't put their real shipping costs up front.

   RE:RE:MISC:   On Ebay! posted by David Poston on 12/6/2003 at 6:21:04 PM
I don't know if the "party in question" mentioned above was directed towards me, but if so, I deeply resent that remark and apologize if I have in any way been deserving of it. I see no problem with advertising parts for sale here on this board. If there is a problem, then the pull-down subject, "For Sale," should promptly be removed. I had informed the group on many occasions about the parts I had for sale months ago, BEFORE listing them on e-bay as a last resort. I simply don't need the parts, I paid a good sum to get them from fellow enthusiasts, and I see no reason why I can't try to get a fraction of what I paid back. If you factor in all my time that I spent to source parts, they are worth far more than what I am asking for. Most bidders are going to be fellow enthusiasts, so why not let the person who needs them most win out? This is only fair.


   RE:RE:RE:MISC: On Ebay! posted by Warren on 12/7/2003 at 7:52:35 PM
This subject has been thoroughly thrashed in other groups as well and the general concensus is that we are here to share information. Yes it may happen that, on occasion, one's coveted part may be outed and spoil the party but that isn't really the norm. If we couldn't talk about the Thanet Sil;verlight or the occasional interesting Humber, Sunbeam, BSA etc, than we'd be sorely missing on interesting conversation peices as well as facts and information. As PC mentioned, we didn't see the Clubman he bought for a song so let's not sweat it. And you should certainly be able to out your own relevant auctions...after all we are the market you want to sell to and conversely, we want your goods!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: On Ebay! posted by Edward in Vancouver on 12/8/2003 at 2:01:10 AM
Just cleaned out the garage yesterday and I'm amazed at how much English 3 (and 4)speed stuff I've accumulated. If it weren't for the free info posted on this board, I'd have never gotten this far. No, information should be free, after all we all got it for free as well. None of this stuff is state-of-the-art where we can charge for instructional videos/books/troubleshooting guides, all the info has been out for at least 40 years now.
And e-bay? E-bay is a marketplace,period. No touchy-feelings for business.

AGE / VALUE:   28" tyres for sale, rare colour (cream) posted by: David Poston on 12/5/2003 at 5:50:34 PM
I'm selling a pair of new Schwalbe (made in Germany) 28" x 1.5" tyres for your Raleigh DL-1 Tourist or similar cycle. This was simply a pair I don't need. They are off-white or cream in colour. I spent over $30 on shipping alone to get these from Germany, but they're yours for the taking.



   RE:AGE / VALUE:   28 posted by ChristoipherRobin2@starmail.com on 12/5/2003 at 10:40:05 PM
My advice:
Snap these up!
None of you here understand all the pure awful trouble I went thru to find these and get some sent so I could put these on the bike. To say that these are a difficult to find tire is an understatement.

Also, If I were David I would not offer these. He is being generous.

Somebody take him up on this and be kind in return


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   28 posted by David Poston on 12/5/2003 at 11:18:59 PM
Yes, I also went through hell and back to find these. E-mailed at least 10 different sources before I found them. Last I heard, they aren't made anymore. I just don't need this extra pair and my garage is getting full of extra parts.


FOR SALE:   Correct pre-war 26" Raleigh rear mudguard for sale posted by: David Poston on 12/5/2003 at 6:11:55 AM
This is an NOS pre-war style Raleigh 26" mudguard for a Raleigh Dawn Tourist or similar cycle:


I'm trying to rid my garage of extra parts I don't need.


FOR SALE:   Mudguards for sale posted by: David Poston on 12/5/2003 at 4:55:46 AM

New pattern (made in India) Raleigh 26" round section mudguards for sale.


AGE / VALUE:   Hercules posted by: Birddog on 12/5/2003 at 2:34:01 AM
Today I ducked into the local thrift store and there was a black and white Hercules, ladies model. It was pretty dirty, but looked to be very cleanable. It had the three speed Sturmey Archer shifter just like my first real bike, back in the 50's. I didn't look too close because I blew it off, but after thinking about it, I wondered if I should have grabbed it. I would guess it to be an early 60's model. I was basing that on the saddle, which looked more modern than the one I remember on mine. I need another bike like I need... well you know what I mean. Anyone looking for something like this or are they a dime a dozen.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules posted by MR on 12/5/2003 at 6:56:09 PM
These don't neccessarily go for big buck, but if it was cheap, and would clean up into a nice ridable bike you should nip on back and grab it. Someone will love it, and besides you can rape it for parts.

FOR SALE:   Ebay items posted by: Robert on 12/5/2003 at 12:51:45 AM
Some items that may be of interest to folks here.







AGE / VALUE:   Which bike is worth more? posted by: Warren on 12/5/2003 at 12:21:40 AM
These are very similar bikes...both Raleigh made but the Sports get the attention with 7 unique bidders.I'd prefer the Sunbeam...even if the description is over the top. The Raleigh name gets the attention.



   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Which bike is worth more? posted by MR on 12/5/2003 at 2:59:03 PM
Both are roughly equal. The nicer saddle on the "Sunbeam" I think tips the scales a bit. However both bikes are made by Raleigh, and both are practically identicle otherwise. I guess personally, I'd go for the "Sunbeam" if it were similar in price, just because of the saddle.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Which bike is worth more? posted by Warren on 12/5/2003 at 9:36:03 PM
My post was vague. I was really questioning why a plain Sports would get 12 bids and the other none. The Sunbeam is up on ebay for the second time around, albeit at a lower asking price. I just find the bidding pattern interesting. Frankly the bikes are rather mainstream and uninteresting from my snobbish POV but what the hey, I thought I'd ask.

FOR SALE:   Parts for sale on e-bay posted by: David Poston on 12/5/2003 at 12:21:53 AM
Selling Raleigh parts:



David, trying to rid his garage of excess parts lying around.

AGE / VALUE:   not english, but close. need help with this one... posted by: andrew on 12/4/2003 at 6:40:27 PM
I cannot find any info on this bike. is labeled "executive" "made in austria". rear brake plate and pedals say "made in germany" aluminum fenders, handle bars have sharp curves and a short reach. I thought the bike may be from the 50's-60's, but it has a newer shimano 3spd shifter and a "333" rear hub, the front hub is marked with a "U" in a shield emblem. I can email pics or may post a link to pics tonight.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: not english, but close. need help with this one... posted by Warren on 12/4/2003 at 8:50:05 PM
Sounds like the rear hub is a replacement...German bikes were rarely fitted out with Japanese components. Torpado, Sachs even Hercules (Germany, not England) are often found. The front hub is made by Union of Germany. I find that they are very high quality...hard steel with great bearings.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   not english, but close. need help with this one... posted by Joe on 12/5/2003 at 7:58:17 AM
I had a 20" cantilever framed Executive as a kid, it had a twin top tube and a Centrix rear hub. I believe it was bought at a Kress department store near Philadelphia around 1970. It had aluminum fenders and it's rims sort of resembled Schwinn S-5's or Raleigh pattern rims. They were 20x1 3/8" with wide white walls. Handlebars were similar to a North Road design but with sharper curves. It has a Chrome rear carrier and a battery powered headlight on the fender.
I currently have 2 Excecutive bikes hanging in the garage, one is a 5 speed with a Huret Allvit derailleur, the other is a Sachs Torpedo equipped 3 speed. All of these I've seen over the years have been either non-lugged or partially lugged frames. I have also seen a few marked Made in Germany, as well as Austria. The two I have here are most likely early 70's and both have Union front hubs and pedals.
I also agree with Warren on the Shimano 333 hub. I would say it most likely had a Sachs Torpedo 3 speed or may have been sold as a single speed as well and someone made an upgrade. Many of these I've seen have been single speed coaster brake bikes. These would usually have a Sachs or Durex rear hub.