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Archived: English Roadsters

AGE / VALUE:   reflector in black posted by: sam on 1/17/2003 at 11:39:16 PM
Not mine...etc http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2154477313&category=420

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   White Tires posted by: Tom on 1/17/2003 at 7:54:36 PM
I have been trying to find some white tires in 28" both British and Canadian size. While talking to a friend the tire subject came up. He gave me a number of a guy who maybe had some. I called him today and his bike mechanic answered the phone. I asked about the tires and he said they had some, he was looking at around 20 pairs as we spoke. He has 28" in both British and Canadian size. They are not bright white but creamy white, maybe yellowish from what he said. They are Dutch made starts with V,Veredestein or something like that I cannot spell it let alone say it. He also said he has 26 x 1 3/8" for Raleighs. Also 26 x 1 1/2" British I am not sure what this is he thought it was an older British rim. I will have to talk to the guy who has the collection about how many I can get. I sounded like he had more. These are a new tire but he had some older NOS ones. I am waiting to talk to the owner of the old bike collecton. I am waiting for a cost on them.
Is there anyone that wants some. Has anyone seen these tires from the Dutch company. I am also waiting for pictures of the tires. I forgot to ask if they has whitewalls. I will ask when the owner is back. I will post more info when I get some.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   White Tires posted by Warren on 1/18/2003 at 1:31:39 AM
Hi Tom...go to...

These are the 28" cdn size (700c) and I have the EA3 size on a Raleigh Sports. I think they are beautiful...they are closer to cream in colour but get yellow when dirty. I have noticed that they are getting some crackling on the sidewalls after 5 years but I've had no flats on the Sports model which certainly has at least a thousand kms in that time. Please let us know a distributor...I need some of the 26 x 1 1/2 sizes and I can't get those.

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Mucus on 1/17/2003 at 5:05:34 PM

Check this out! Good for one of you on the West coast??

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Me again on 1/17/2003 at 5:10:17 PM

Ditto this one, a beauty!!!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: posted by P.C. Kohler on 1/17/2003 at 8:56:19 PM
You're kidding, aren't you? This looks like a couple of Raleighs left on tracks of the old Kingsway tram subway in London and run over... twice! And someone, even without a cotter press, managed, it appears, to have removed the cranks and chainwheels from both of these tortured bikes. Recommended for the bachelor only or someone with a big shed and lots or patience....

P.C. Kohler

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by David on 1/18/2003 at 3:37:30 AM
Is it just my eyes, or is the front wheel on this 78 ladies' roadster smaller than the rear? (At $200 to start, I doubt this bike will sell very fast)

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Mark R. on 1/18/2003 at 11:29:26 PM
No. The rear wheel has been forshortened in the phot, but the wheels are the same size. It is a late model DL-1L, and is a very fine bike worth $200 plus. I really though someone would want it for their better half.
I can't speak for the condition on the other bikes, it's just that there are a lot of great parts there: chain cases, etc....

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Mark R. on 1/18/2003 at 11:32:47 PM
There you go, someone bid on them. There is a lot you could do with them. You would be shocked at how nice a bike you can build up from a pile like that!

WANTED:   ANY ROADSTER 28-INCH 40'S/50'S/60-'S posted by: ron on 1/17/2003 at 12:35:32 PM
hercules, humber, sunbeam what-ever just sent pictures to the e-mail provided. Thank you.

AGE / VALUE:   Just wondering .... posted by: James McCork on 1/17/2003 at 2:28:37 AM
Just wondering ... do any of you guys actually RIDE these bikes, or do you just sit at your computers, read books, exchange observations and WRITE about them?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Just wondering .... posted by David on 1/17/2003 at 2:49:11 AM
I ride a Sports around the campus at work every day and a Sports (winter) and DL1 (summer) almost every day to and from the subway station and on most of my around-town errands.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Just wondering .... posted by Mucus on 1/17/2003 at 2:58:41 AM
I don't ride much this time of year(because of the snow, and salt), but I ride every day in the Spring after March 20th., Summer, and fall until Oct 20 th., that's how I actually know what's what. I ride my DL-1 to work every day, and I ride a "Sports" for fun almost every day as well.
Not to mention riding a twenty five year old Austro-Daimler roadracer ( Reynolds 531, and OLD Dura-Ace, brooks professional saddle)two or three days a week.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Just wondering .... posted by Mucus on 1/17/2003 at 3:04:24 AM
You wanna have some fun at this site? Come back here when someone talks about BOOZE, OH my God!

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Just wondering .... posted by P.C. Kohler on 1/17/2003 at 4:16:19 AM
Yep... this week, I rode my '49 Rudge on short "working trips" to the grocery store, post office and bank and on a nice 12-mile run, half of which was uphill grade all in 3rd gear. And it's been barely 35 degs. all week. Now she's sitting next watching me tap away telling you she's a working girl and I rather ride 'em than talk 'em anyday.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Just wondering .... posted by Matt Harter on 1/17/2003 at 5:49:02 AM
I ride my '50s Witworth Rudge every day from Arlington Heights to Boston unless the ice and snow is too tricky. I updated my bike to 700c rims, but kept the enclosed chaincase and tubular rack, It's a nice combination of old and new. On nasty days I ride the 77 bus, but I miss the bike ride. The best thing about classic english bicycles is that they are meant to be ridden.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Just wondering .... posted by Jacob on 1/17/2003 at 9:24:12 AM
I have just arrived at work after a 30 miles (50 km) ride on my +20 years old japanese steel.
This bike is now in the indoor bike-parking at my work in Copenhagen, and here I permanently have a (rusty) 1979 DL1 locked up if i need to go somewhere in the city.

Back home I have a dutch Batavus roadster which I use to ride to the trainstation, if I prefer to take the commutertrain (it happens). I also have a Motobecane Nomade that I ride often for longer commuter-rides. In spring, summer and autumn my 2000 Raleigh Tourist de Luxe is out of the garage, but this bike is just for pleasure, I want it to look like new, when I get (real) old. Riding this bike is like wearing a tuxedo!
Then there is my 1974 DL1, which is also for summerriding only.

And not to forget my swiss Cilo alu-roadbike, that I intend to race this summer, and my two old danish Hamlet roadsters, my danish Sleipner roadster (yet to be restored), my Peugeot roadster (yet to be restored), and my 2-3 (depending on how you look at it) rodbrake Raleigh Sports from the 50's (yet to be restored and assembled).

So, yes, I ride my bikes, and I do consider myself a bike-rider.

But still, I got time (at work, he-he) to hang out here tapping away...


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Just wondering .... posted by Joe on 1/17/2003 at 12:55:18 PM
I ride my AMF Hercules, one 1971 in excellent shape and I am currently restoring a 1964 Herc. I commute 10 miles one way in better weather and am an ex racer from the 70's. I always wanted an English 3 speed and have found the 2 AMC Hercules and am enjoying riding and working on them until the day I find a nice Raleigh.

I would like to take the time to thank everyone for all the interesting comments and help with working on these fine old bikes. Ride on!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Just wondering .... posted by Jeff R on 1/17/2003 at 1:06:14 PM
I still ride my 1952 Indian Scout almost every day in the spring, summer and fall. Back in the 50's I would ride it to school in the winter.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Just wondering .... posted by Edward in Vancouver on 1/17/2003 at 3:04:12 PM
Wish I could ride to work, but I can't due to the nature of my business. However I try to get out on my '54 Superbe Saturday mornings, and if I ever get any evenings off, I try to get out as well. Then agin, when I was 5, I figured I could take the world apart with a screwdriver and a Swiss army knife, so "wrenching around" with bikes is almost as enjoyable as riding them.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Just wondering .... posted by Matthew in the UK. on 1/17/2003 at 8:07:55 PM
Yes! Where the roads are narrow, where Norfolk isn't flat, where we suffer daylight saving, where the cycle paths are very far and few, I ride. Cycles from 1930 to 1989 but mainly post war TI products, even my RSW16 on A class roads. (like interstates but much worse!!)
Which is best surfing and posting notes or RIDING? No contest, all weathers, all times of day, RIDING.

Should I compare it to a surfing day?
It art more lovely..... (sorry Mr.Shakespear)

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Just wondering .... posted by Warren on 1/18/2003 at 1:36:12 AM
It was minus 18 degrees celcius and I rode my 50's Dunelt fixed club bike replica to work...my wife took the circa 63 singlespeed roadster with studded tires to her work.

There is no such thing as bad weather...only bad clothing.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Just wondering .... posted by paul on 1/18/2003 at 3:11:58 AM
Living in MA, I ride spring, summer and fall. I must confess I rarely ride on the public roads, too much idiotic car and truck traffic. I ride in the cemetary a few blocks from my home. 3 times around is 5 miles! My choice of British steeds of steel are 63 Raleigh(cranberry red, rare color) with red and white Brooks mattress saddle and 65 Rudge oxblood in color with Brooks 72. Sometimes I cheat and ride a pretty Forever with 3 speed derailleur(but it's not like a Raleigh) Hoping to ride as soon as this NE winter goes away! paul

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Just wondering .... posted by P.C. Kohler on 1/18/2003 at 4:11:31 PM
Wow, I had the same Raleigh as a boy: a used (barely) 1963 21-inch Raleigh "Sports" in carmine red with the fancy "sports" transfer on the seat tube, white cables and... well I'll admit it I tossed the mattress saddle, used a Wright's racing saddle until I saved and saved and bought a new B-72. I must have cycled a million miles on this machine but outgrew her by 1973. I kept her such immaculate condition, I got $35 as trade-in on a new Sprite 27. Anyway, a great colour!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Just wondering .... posted by Kevin C. on 1/19/2003 at 2:13:05 AM
Among collectible bikes, English bikes are perhaps the most rideable. I ride a 1971 Raleigh DL-1 occasionally, but not in traffic. The 1952 Raleigh Sports is my favorite bike, and I ride it at every opportunity -- spring, summer and fall. The old black beauties bring a small fraction of what an Apple Krate brings, but they're a lot more fun to have around, in my opinion.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Just wondering .... posted by Kevin C. on 1/19/2003 at 2:13:46 AM
Among collectible bikes, English bikes are perhaps the most rideable. I ride a 1971 Raleigh DL-1 occasionally, but not in traffic. The 1952 Raleigh Sports is my favorite bike, and I ride it at every opportunity -- spring, summer and fall. The old black beauties bring a small fraction of what an Apple Krate brings, but they're a lot more fun to have around, in my opinion.

AGE / VALUE:   Sometimes a piece of machinry just takes my breath away posted by: sam on 1/17/2003 at 12:24:24 AM
I guess that's the reason I like English bike,there just made so well.But this time the part is German and it's just a light...but what a great light it is!--http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2154400319&category=420

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sometimes a piece of machinry just takes my breath away posted by David on 1/17/2003 at 2:53:21 AM
Gawsh! I think it may be Italian; "Brevettato"

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sometimes a piece of machinry just takes my breath away posted by Steven on 1/17/2003 at 3:39:02 AM
This is an Aurora headlight from Italy.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sometimes a piece of machinry just takes my breath away posted by JimW. on 1/17/2003 at 6:12:36 AM
That's fantastic! Can't beat the Eyeties for design. I wonder what's supposed to drive that helical gear at the bottom of the thing- a gear-toothed wheel rim? That would be truly amazing.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sometimes a piece of machinry just takes my breath away posted by sam on 1/17/2003 at 4:58:18 PM
Thinks for the correction,It was offered from germany so I though it was german.And I can see the Aurora on the glass now that you pointed that out too.Any thoughs on how it would have been driven as Jim W said?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sometimes a piece of machinry just takes my breath away posted by Ian on 1/18/2003 at 8:00:00 AM
I have not seen one of this make before but have seen something similar with the dynamo built in to the bottom of the light that clamped alongside the fork with the wheel swinging in and rubbing against the side of the tyre when a lever was triggered. Perhaps this does the same? It does look as if the bracket may not be complete.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sometimes a piece of machinry just takes my breath away posted by Ken on 1/20/2003 at 12:54:17 AM
Great light, but more important, someone who knows how to properly photograph an item to sell! No surprises here.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   BSA information posted by: P.C. Kohler on 1/16/2003 at 8:34:31 PM
One of my more obscure eBay acquisitions arrived today: a 286-page BSA "Master Price List" for BSA spares for ALL their cycles manufactured from 1934-1949. No pictures but every single component for every single model listed. And what's quite useful there is a specific date range when things went into and out of production. It's like a master production list.

So, if any of you chaps out there have a BSA machine you are trying to date or find out what bits it should have, let me know.

And... this book has wonderful 50 year old greasy fingerprints all over it!

P.C. Kohler, who also got a LOVELY pair of stainless steel DL-1 wheels today with AG dynothree hub.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Which Side GH6 Dynohub posted by: P.C. Kohler on 1/16/2003 at 5:53:39 AM
Further to conversation below re. that Humber and the placement of the GH6 dynohub, according to the official Sturmey Archer maintenance sheet I recently posted on Roll Britannia:

"The front hub GH6 can be fitted with the dynamo at either right or left hand side, but it is absolutely essential that the cone locknuts should be thoroughly tightened so that the cone adjustment can be maintained. Cone adjustment is by the cone on the opposite side to the dynamo, and this should be adjusted so that there is a slight trace of play at the rim when the locknuts are tightened." etc. etc.

Now... this is for the "new" GH6 dating from, I believe, 1952 and having the silver metal face to the dynamno. I think I am correct to say that the black bakelite faced hubs needed to have the dynamo side on the left side.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Which Side GH6 Dynohub posted by Peter on 1/16/2003 at 9:21:40 AM
So it is not true then, what I have believed all these years, that the dynohub goes on the right in the northern hemisphere and the left in the south of the equator, so as to compensate for the opposite polarity of the Earth's magnetic field?
I suppose though, the absence of an Equatorial model with dual GH6s and a selector switch used according to which side of the line one is riding defeats this argument. Back to the drawing board...


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Which Side GH6 Dynohub posted by Warren on 1/16/2003 at 1:45:41 PM
It appears to me that the fail safe method is to install the dynamo on the right side of the bike, if the axle has the lipped stop for the axle cones. Similar to the early Raleigh/SA front hubs, orienting the hubs this way will prevent seizure if the locknuts loosen up and the wheels rotation starts to spin the cones. Does this follow? Most Dynos I've seen have been on the right and I suspect this was the factory standard.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Which Side GH6 Dynohub posted by P.C. Kohler on 1/16/2003 at 4:06:00 PM
Warren, I think you are indeed correct: if it's got the silver metal "face", then it goes on the right. If it's got the black bakelite face, it's on the left. At least when the machine left Nottingham. This is what shows in all the brochures etc.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Which Side GH6 Dynohub posted by Chris on 1/16/2003 at 7:49:19 PM
The fellow said that he was cleaning the "salt air damage" which I guess is like corrosion or something off of the bike and when he got to the dynohub's terminals he used steel wool a little too close to the terminals and thus he shorted out the dynohubs armeture by scraping the steel wool against it.
So be sure not to do that or else you'll need a new armeture. I always thought it was mounted on the right side of the bike but it appears that P.C. here is getting to the bottom of things and finding answers and that's great.
Terminals bolts on the bakelite models are easily broked off so do not over-tighten them.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Which Side GH6 Dynohub posted by David on 1/16/2003 at 10:32:54 PM
What??!! He "shorted out" the armature with steel wool?! Unless he had electrified steel wool nothing would happen. I doubt very much that the 2W dynohub could burn itself out with a dead short. You'd have to supply power from somewhere.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Which Side GH6 Dynohub posted by Chris on 1/18/2003 at 7:19:52 PM
He took the pad of steel wool and rubbed it across those terminals and wrecked it. At least that is what he told me.

MISC:   Gazelle and/or SA hubs? posted by: Warren on 1/16/2003 at 4:11:40 AM
This is appropriate with repect to William Soons post below...

I just picked up a Gazelle 36 hole front hub with cable operated drum brake, It looks near identical to a SA hub I have on a Norman (but the Norman is out of town so I can't be sure)

Does anyone know if SA hubs were rebranded with the Gazelle name? Sounds likely since there was some co-operative thing going on between Raleigh and Gazelle for some time.

   RE:MISC:   Gazelle and/or SA hubs? posted by Jacob on 1/16/2003 at 10:41:03 AM
Not far from where I work, I have spotted a nice Gazelle roadster with cable-operated drumbrakes. It's a 3-speed, and the trigger-shifter is SA for sure, and until I read your posting, Warren, I took it for granted, that the hubs were SA too. They look exactly like SA's, but I have not taken a closer look. Gazelles are not that common here in Denmark (compared to Raleighs and many others), and this is the only Gazelle I have seen in this configuration.

I have also spotted a Puch roadster with a 3-speed SA coaster hub and enclosed chainguard. The Gazelle is someones commuterbike, while the Puch is obvious abandoned and left alone to die.

This is a dilemma of mine: I see so many old bikes in Copenhagen, that no one uses anymore. Most of them are in bad condition and of no interest, but the Puch for example looks like its rideable as is. I guess that no (or very few) people cares about these bikes, but I do. Besides the Puch I know of two rodbrakes Raleighs left in the streets, which at least would supply some valuable parts for my other bikes. But the problem is, that I - in legal terms - would become a thief, if I took this bikes home. It is tempting, because when a bike is left alone in Copenhagen it is just a matter of time, before it will be destroyed by man and/or weather. Actually abandoned bikes is a problem for the city of Copenhagen because there are so many of them, and they are not nice to look at - rusty and not-working - and they take room for bikes in use. Once in a while men from the city-administration will go out and take away hundreds, maybe thousands, of old bikes. Some of them will be sold on auctions but many of them will just be destroyed. This happened not long ago with a (bad condition) gents Raleigh Sport, that had my attention for some time because of the rebuildable Sir Walther Raleigh-logoed pedals, which I do not have and do not see too often. I was preparing myself to take this bike because of the pedals, but one day it was just gone to an unknown destiny along with many other abandoned bikes in that particulary street. And in a way, this make my sad.

If I pick up some of these bikes, would I be an outlaw or a rescue-worker, that on one hand see to his egoistic needs but on the other hand take cares of nice bikes not made anymore?

Any comments? (besides my wifes "what do you need another bike for?")

Jacob, who think a pickup truck would come in handy!

   RE:RE:MISC:   Gazelle and/or SA hubs? posted by Warren on 1/16/2003 at 2:25:39 PM
It sounds like a cultural decision. I waited a year before "liberating" a Tourist locked to a chainring fence here in Toronto. It had been in a collision and the front wheel was a taco. As the year passed, the parts were being scavenged until the day I decided to cut the crappy cable lock and take it home. By then, it was really just a frame, rodbrakes, one wheel and some other parts. However, I did not feel like a thief...rather more like a recycler. Your situation may be different.

I envy you in Copenhagen. I did a month of bike touring in Denmark several years ago and I was blown away by the civilized way Danes integrate bikes, pedestrians and cars into a cohesive transportation system. Separate, paths, lights, signals and complete respect for others...what a concept. Of course, more roadsters than you can shake a stick at. I camped for a week at the old Klampenbourg (sp) fortress and commuted into town every day. I would love to go back.

Plus the fact you still hold six day races!

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Gazelle and/or SA hubs? posted by Jacob on 1/16/2003 at 3:38:14 PM
This is off-topic, but speaking of six day races:
A year ago a brandnew indoor velodrome, Siemens Arena, was taken into use in the outskirts of Copenhagen. A really fascinating building with its permanent 250 meters track made of sibirian hardwood by the german Schuermann architecs, builders of velodromes around the world.

This -of course - is the place to hold six day races, and so they did last year (until then it had been held in downtown Copenhagen on a "build-up-and-take-down-again"-track.

But it seems that there will be no danish six day race this year, because january 3. the roof on this USD 14 billion like-new building fell down without any warning (fortunately no one was hurt). This is a really bad set-back for danish track-racing, which with this new velodrome was on its way up after some decades with less and less interest from both riders and public. Now it is uncertain when the velodrome can be used again. Some people say it will be as expensive to rebuild the Siemens Arena than to build a completely new velodrome.

This is the first and only permanent indoor track in Denmark, and the World Championships was held here in september last year.

I did some training on this track last winter and summer, and it was awesome! What made me (not being a competitive rider) very excited and joyfull was the fact that I found myself training with among others danish pros Michael Sandstoed and Jimmy Madsen (Tour de France participants 2002). It was nice for me to be - if not admired - then accepted in this world of elite riders. Going 50 km/h behind a derny-engine round and round the track is....is....is....fast! And I loved it.

However I had to stop this training-activity because of obligations at home (you know, the family-thing).

Maybe its time for me to confess: I have several nice old bikes including our beloved Raleigh-roadsters - but last summer I bought a new alu-roadframe with carbon inlay in the mono-seatstay, carbon front fork, a Shimano Ultegra group, Ritchey-components and the works! So know I'm going fast. Most of my winter-training is - however - on a +20 years old Tange Champion steelframe with friction shifters.
And I'm planning to ride a few real roadraces this summer. Even though I will be participating in the "beginners class" I will have to train hard and a lot just to keep up with the bunch. But I'm goin for it (at the age of 39)!

Take care

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Gazelle and/or SA hubs? posted by Oscar on 1/17/2003 at 2:28:54 AM
And here's one back from another citizen-class thirty-nine year old track racer (on a 30 year old Italian steel bike).

FOR SALE:   New (NOS) Parts Site posted by: Ginny Rini on 1/15/2003 at 9:03:14 PM
I am beginning to post parts on my new parts site, it will take some time to get them all posted (be patient). I already have a up and running Old School BMX site. Keep an eye on my new site for allot of good parts. all my sites can be accesed from http://rinienterprises.home.attbi.com

AGE / VALUE:   Time machine settings to type in. posted by: Chris on 1/15/2003 at 8:32:03 PM
France, between 1895-1955. Michelin Tire company. Specific building where cycle and motor cycle tires are made. I want to see the factory and watch these tires being made. Meet the director, and get a tour. Go to the Moulin Rouge and bring back some things too. If I decide to return at all!(Also tracking down this Degas fellow and buying some of his original artwork but that'll be for another day's trip)
Today I sat on the cold,dirty, cement floor and having gone through 400 tires. I see these and I can't believe I found them. Oh these are cool!
I'm happy I found these! Whole trip was worth it!
Michelin, made in France 28 X 1 1/2 blackwall tires with cool French writing and a raised Mr.Bibendium ( Mr. Bib, Michelin's mascot dude) He looks diffrent than other more modern versions of Mr. Bib. A diffrent tread pattern that what I've ever seen before. These are ancient! But still pliable and they should be fine to ride and display. Please forgive my being excited about bicycle tires but these are way cool looking.
If bicycle tires can be romantic and mysterious looking, then these quilify! I found rare, expensive musclebike tires in original wrappings but it's these Michelin's that I'm all happy to have found!
These look like they'll fit the British 28 X 1 1/2 Raleigh/ Dunlop F- 12 rim. Or else they're Canadian or better yet, something French and totally obsolete and something I don't have a rim/wheel for. However I think, they will fit my old Raleigh.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Time machine settings to type in. posted by P.C. Kohler on 1/16/2003 at 12:07:37 AM
I am getting a pair of Dunlop stainless steel wheels 28 x 1 1/2" Westwoods from England. In addition to having a dynothree hub laced in, these also have Michelin tyres so I'm interested to examine these. I have Michelins on my '49 Rudge. They aren't authentic tread pattern of course but they are jolly nice tyres.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Time machine settings to type in. posted by sam on 1/16/2003 at 1:06:27 AM
PLEASE contact me..I got a buyer for a set--------sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Time machine settings to type in. posted by Dennis on 1/16/2003 at 6:17:42 AM
Bebendun. I think that is how it is spelled. Or maybe Bebendum. I thought i was the only person outside of France to know his name. He had his 100th birthday a few years ago. He was the first mascot or whatever characters like that are called. It changed advertising. Way before Speedy Relief and Elsie the Cow and the Jolly Green Giant. You might be able to date the tires by the way he looks. He has gained some girth over the years. Those tires must be old. I will try to find some links showing his changes through the ages, but they might be in French.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Uncovering a legend in the cold basement posted by Chris on 1/16/2003 at 7:37:33 PM
On the side of the tires it is printed: Fabrique en France Made in France < MICHELIN STOP > (with the arrows) Rouler Tres Gonfee S 700 STANDARD
Mr.Bib is really neat looking!He's made up of flat lines and he's grinning this wild grin and smoking a cigar and he has one arm raised up and (I kid you not) he's holding what looks to be a large martini glass tosting us! I can't really see and I have to compare it against the detail on the other tires. I'm no real historian on Bib. I thought perhaps there was a special French size of 28 X 1 1/2 tire like we have with the Canadian size. But I'm wrong on this. This fit the Raleigh rim like a glove.I will inflate these and clean and dress them or perhaps just clean them for now.
For a while Bib wore glasses and smoked cigars. I am curious to know just what it is that he has in his hand, why it's raised up for, and what may be in it. Perhaps he's waving at us? Beckoning us to come back and buy Michelin tires.Yes, that's probably it. I have seen him wave a lot.
The bicycle tires are tall and not as baloonish to ride as other Raleigh cycle fitting tires but these will be great to ride on and better yet to display. The tread pattern has side hatchmarks along the side, two sets.For a generator to run on and so if you turn sharply you won't go skidding. Excellent pattern!
I have to inflate them first to really know, so I'll see.
Mr. Bib rode bicycles and motorcycles and now these days we just usually see him on television and in the tire shops.
He should be everywhere smiling and acting jolly and friendly. An ambassador we all love to see and showing us Michelin's fine tires. Yes, they could be selling more tires with a better way of handling Bib.
I don't care for the modern way they have him looking in the current commercial. He's lifting new tires off of a conveyor belt and crying and then looking at the next. He's showing a wide range of emotions in too short a space and also, it's a mediocre way to use a great mascot. It's good to see him and the tires but I don't like the way he's being done. The Michelin babies in the tires were cool and I can think of no better slogan than "On the wings of Goodyear" but that's another company!
As a collector/fan, admirer of old bike tires or whatever, I am having a real struggle trying to figure out what to bring home and what to leave there. I have been trying to only go for named original company names and leave the I.R.C. and Korean,Taiwaneese replacements alone. But one can wobble on the top of the fence or at least I am.
I looked at the whole place and said to myself,Oh,it's all junk and I didn't want to dump milk crates over and sort through it all and put it back in the crates. But I made myself pick through everything and for all the work and dispite a negative attitude my persistence was paid off!
You just cannot look and think it is all Chang- Lee cheap derailers or junky brakes. You must look through everything, EVERYTHING! Because the Cyclo, Huret, Campagnolo, and Simplex collectable goodies are hiding on you. Trust me, persistence pays, and the ancient Major Taylor stem(or other vintage goodies) is in there somewhere to find unless you give up and go home like a chump!

I hope to see old Mr.Bib again in the basements,lofts, old shops and cold storage places in the future. If he's hiding under a stack of newer assorted tires someplace I'll make myself find him!One thing for sure, If you don't act patient and pick through and examine everything, you won't be pleasently surprised. I never would have dreamed these were in there under that stack of tires many of which were mountain bike stuff. I am interested to know when they discontinued making Michelin Stop brand bicycle tires. Old Michelin bicycle tires were always well made and they are a treat to find but it has been spotty and difficult to find them. These were available in England and also in France very recently and perhaps you should be able to find them still. I tip my hat to Sam here who has been tracking down and finding excellent quality Tornel tires from Mexico. The studded 28 X 1 1/2 version was wild. I wonder what happened to the molds Michelin used to make this Michelin Stop pattern wound up to? The reporoduced Schwinn Black Phantom had new tires from Taiwan or someplace but they don't look quite the same. A good copy but not quite there still. Old, N.O.S. tires in this 26 X 2.125 size are expensive and difficult to find and my pal asked "Where did you find those?" I remember seeing a pal asking $150.00 a set for whitewalls. The Indian head Carlisle tires are also neat. May all the old metal drawers you pull open to examine be rust free inside.

MISC:   Help,advice needed!!! posted by: William Soon on 1/15/2003 at 1:26:55 PM
Hi guys,how're you all?? William here.
Well,I'd like to know if a REAR Sturmey Archer hub brake(40H),(complete set with the metal plate,brake shoes,lever,all)that is MADE for a cable-operated Sports be fitted to my rod operated Gazelle(28x1 1/2 tyre).This hub is for the cable type for it has the small 'C'-shaped bracket for the cable housing.

ANY comments are appreciated.Thank you very much.BYE and Happy Riding.

With regards,
William Soon,West Malaysia.

   RE:MISC:   Help,advice needed!!! posted by Mucus on 1/15/2003 at 1:51:32 PM
It seems to me that you should be able to easily rig your hub that way as long as there is enough throw in the rod to actuate the brake. I did something similar to this on my old motorcycle years ago, and it worked just fine. You may have to adjust the brake arm a little closer, but my guess is it would work just fine. Remember though that there may be limited play in the rod, so the brakes may lock up with a hard grip on the lever, but I would imagine there is more than suficient flex in the system.

WANTED:   ENGLISH ROADSTER Looking for this bike posted by: ron on 1/15/2003 at 1:02:31 PM

   RE:WANTED:   ENGLISH ROADSTER Looking for this bike posted by Mucus on 1/15/2003 at 1:55:52 PM
Do you mean the roadster? God who isn't! :-)

   RE:RE:WANTED:   ENGLISH ROADSTER Looking for this bike posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 1/16/2003 at 8:30:12 PM
These are wonderful yes. The basic Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. roadster with the enclosed chainguard.
But, hold on here. It gets even more wild, wooly and wonderful!This bike is the more common version as difficult as it is to find one of these. Phillips, Humber, James,Dunelt,Hercules, Rudge, and a lot of other brands and names all made these themselves. Before and after Raleigh bought up and merged with them. This means there were diffrent colors, decal schemes, diffrent looks to the bikes, a sea of accesories to have.
Humber made this bike in a double fork blade model in the 28 inch wheel version and the nicest of them are painted in Humber's own color Royal Blue. Chrome rod brake clips on the double fork. Phillips had their name stamped into the Phillips leather saddles.
The very summit of these, the finest rod brake Roadster's were made by Sunbeam. I suggest you find the bike Sheldon shows on the page for now and enjoy! (unfortunitly, you are too late in buying that exact bike because Sheldon sold or traded it awhile ago but these pop up in this shape on e- bay from time to time. The rest of the bikes like it that I mentioned are out there but seen on e- bay a lot less. Keep looking and be willing to spend a bit more and you'll get ahold of something really neat. Don't leave it out of your sight and be prepared to kindly tell folks it's not for sale on a regular basis.

WANTED:   RALEIGH ROADSTER 40'S/50'S posted by: ron on 1/15/2003 at 12:48:57 PM
looking for roadster 28 inch, in good condition, must have enclosed chain guard and rod brakes, thank you.

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh and Sturmey spares posted by: Pete on 1/15/2003 at 8:14:16 AM
Hello All I have just added a Parts for sale page on my
web site www.oldcyclebits.co.uk You should be able to find
some very useful items. I have not yet had time to list every thing, but if you don't see what you need please ask.
Also there are no prices, but all parts will be reasonable.
Some of the parts that Pete Kohler has mentioned getting from India are here and all genuine Raleigh and Sturmey Archer