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Archived: English Roadsters

AGE / VALUE:   YAMADA posted by: RICKEY on 2/7/2003 at 6:47:52 PM

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   YAMADA posted by Mucus on 2/7/2003 at 7:50:20 PM
Could you e-mail a photo? I can't find any info on the marque.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   YAMADA posted by bike pictures on 2/13/2003 at 3:02:55 AM
give me your email ad & i will send

WANTED:   RALEIGH ROADSTER 40'S/50'S posted by: ronnie on 2/7/2003 at 12:28:16 PM
must have enclosed chain guard, 28 inch wheels and rod brakes, condition not a factor, thank you.

   RE:WANTED:   RALEIGH ROADSTER 40'S/50'S posted by Warren on 2/7/2003 at 11:42:59 PM
Ronnie, old budd...I'm sure you'll be the first to know. However, they aren't really offered up too much cuz this site isn't about commerce as much as it's about yakking about our bikes. Maybe a post every month would keep you name fresh in our minds.

In the meantime there is always e-bay if you really need such a bike. I'd hate to think you are just fishin' for a sucker to come along.

   RE:WANTED:   RALEIGH ROADSTER 40'S/50'S posted by David on 2/8/2003 at 12:46:18 PM
Your time is probably better spent checking out swap meets, flea markets, yard sales, thrift stores, and making the rounds on trash nights. This list has reported many more roadsters found that way than listed for sale. I'll bet nearly everyone who posts here as at least one good bike literally from the trash.

   RE:WANTED:   RALEIGH ROADSTER 40'S/50'S posted by William on 2/9/2003 at 9:02:25 AM
Hi guys,how're you?
Well,David,you're probably right about that-that nearly everyone here has at least one good roadster from the trash.
Well,I've got mine(the ONLY one I have) from the trash.With rust(superficial,tho')all over,tyres and tubes gone,I didn't know....for others it was junk,but I saw some life in it,waiting to be revived.So I did what I had to do and put it back on the road in proper running condition.Sure,it was not a breath-taking beauty,-I handpainted it black all over;hey,I was just 12 then.But man,it ran like a dream,always reliable,come rain or shine.Still does....

Oh yeah,mine is a mid-50's Gazelle(28x1 1/2) by Raleigh.So,just keep looking.Sometimes,they tend to pop up in places you least expect them to,waiting for someone to restore them to their former glory.Bye and ride safe.

With regards,
William Soon,Malaysia.

WANTED:   RALEIGH ROADSTER 40'S/50'S posted by: ronnie on 2/7/2003 at 12:28:16 PM
must have enclosed chain guard, 28 inch wheels and rod brakes, condition not a factor, thank you.

MISC:   Gearing for Project Bike posted by: Mike P on 2/7/2003 at 1:51:04 AM
Am contemplating a newer, non-collectible gent's Sports frame with ISO-thread fork, stock mudguards and chainguard for that all-weather, sleeper appearance. Alloy stem, headset, bars, rims, front hub, seatpost and crankset on a cartridge BB (maybe Phil?). Alloy brake levers/calipers with new, slick cables and housings for a little added performance. Since I have only ridden with the AW-type hubs, and there are no hills (7-20 feet MSL):

1.S-A hub suggestions?
2.5 or 7 speed?
3.Shifter type?

Many thanks.

   RE:MISC:   Gearing for Project Bike posted by sam on 2/8/2003 at 5:22:20 PM
I'm not sure I understand what your shootin for but with no hills I'd go with the fewest gears to changs as I could. 3 tops.

AGE / VALUE: Watch those alloy seat posts posted by: Chris on 2/6/2003 at 9:33:03 PM
I yanked the alloy seat post out of the Raleigh and polished it.
I noticed where the chromed steel metal Brooks saddle clamp has cut grooves into the top of the alloy post.
Deep grooves and a stress crack or two. Now,it's glowing and looks awesome and it's a G.B. or Reynolds and it has date stamps on it in code.The top is rounded and it's a nice original piece. Or I should say, it was.
Was, as in past tense. It's a safety hazzard, here it's been lying in wait for me,for how long I don't know, waiting for me to hop my tail onto that saddle and innocently and unsuspectingly ride off down the street not knowing that at any minute it would crack off or break and I'd be in for a spill. Yes,it's beautiful but the polishing led to an examination and with eyes as big as saucers, I learned it's dirty secret before it failed on me.
I put a common steel post in the bike. It's heavier but I'll be ok on it. Now, I don't know what to do with the thing! I slaped a label on it and decided to toss it into the box of scrap aluminum. Oh, I'm all bummed out of course.I love these parts! This polishing has revealed other small surface flaws in some of the parts.
One has to be careful with what is polished, you remove patina and can wreck/damage the value of the thing.
I don't have an alloy replacement post of similar vintage or quality. So that goes on my list of items to chase down.
I keep looking at these marvelous alloy G.B. front wheel wingnuts that came out so nicely, they shine and look so neat.
I should go polishing everything and keep looking for flaws, cracks and damage but I'd run out of Simichrome polish again and to a certain extent, ignorance is bliss. Do you love something because of the patina it has acquired?

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Watch those alloy seat posts posted by Marko on 2/7/2003 at 1:29:18 PM
Oh man! I had one of those once! It was before I got into roadsters, and I scavanged an old Humber for a three speed hub. Believe it or not, I tossed it thinking it was crap. Of course I have subsequently learned other wise :-( I really would like to have it back now! I believe polishing something like this that you are intending to use isn't such a bad idea. It's gonna corrode again anyway. However, if an alloy part is anodised, polishing it will remove the anodization(it's like a plating over the finish intended to keep it from corroding), and effectively ruin the finish. You'll notice that sometimes when you polish an alloy part that it seems to corrode faster afterwards. That's because you took off the anodization, and it IS corroding faster than before! That's something to think about. If an alloy part has most of its original finish, even if it looks crappy, it might be better to leave it alone.
Also, a scratch creates a stress riser in alloy parts, and if it is deeply scratched, it may need to be tossed out for safetys sake: if it's gonna break, it'll break where the deep scratch is. Also, many alloy posts will break where there is something stamped on them, especially if you do the stamping yourself( like a name or something), again it creates a stress riser. The best, and strongest alloy posts have a nice smooth finish along their length with no stampings or graduations on them. If you ancient alloy post has no deep scratchings, but it looks a little crappy, leave it be.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Watch those alloy seat posts posted by Chris on 2/7/2003 at 9:38:52 PM
I have only polished old alloy Sturmey-Archer hub shells and one set of G.B. front wing nuts, a Hidiminum brakeset and that seatpost.
None of which had any protective coating on them. They all gleam and look great. Especially the G.B. nuts.
Still,just like you cautioned, you can remove protective coating and ruin the thing.
Many of these parts do have that coating on, so watch it.

The best and most important time to polish something is done by the employee of the plating company in their shop before they dip the rim into the chromium tank!
The polishing and prep work there will make or break the final outcome of the job.

FOR SALE:   NOS Sturmey front drum brake, in box posted by: Kevin C. on 2/6/2003 at 12:37:47 PM
Please see full description below, posted Feb. 2. Thanks.

WANTED:   STURMEY ARCHER FIVE SPEED posted by: Ian on 2/6/2003 at 8:24:56 AM
Hi, can anybody offer advise on adjusting the indicator rods on a two cable 5 speed Sturmey Archer hub? Do they have any peculiarities or faults that make them slip into neutral at times? This particular one is fitted to a recumbent tricycle ridden by a young lady with a disability so it is important that I get it right for her. It also has a triple chainset giving fifteen speeds in total so it will be also interesting to play with once it is fixed! Might even take it down for our weekly 15km time trial and see if I can beat my best time on a conventional bike. Can't send it back without a proper road test can I?? Thanks in advance, Ian.

   RE:WANTED:   STURMEY ARCHER FIVE SPEED posted by Tim Powell on 2/6/2003 at 10:42:39 AM
All of the info that you need is here, http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/'hadland/samaintind.htm
If you study all of this you will become an expert on all Sturmeys' products.
Good Luck.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   STURMEY ARCHER FIVE SPEED posted by Tim Powell on 2/6/2003 at 10:47:32 AM
Sorry forgot to say that you need to alter the ' to a tilde. This site seems unable to represent them.

   RE:WANTED:   STURMEY ARCHER FIVE SPEED posted by edgarecks on 2/6/2003 at 5:34:48 PM
These instructions assume that you have the proper length indicator chains on both sides, not always the case with hubs of "unknown origin". I always adjust until the indicators are "just about as tight as possible, but not so tight as to stretch the cable" in the lowest (1st) gear. I have ridden tens of thousands of miles on S5/2 units with no problems.

AGE / VALUE:   Adie Bell on e- bay/ beautiful box posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 2/5/2003 at 6:09:48 PM
N.O.S. Vintage English Adie Bicycle Bell:
item #2705824690
Not my auction, no relation to sell.
This is a marvelous bell! Look at the way it is reflecting the whole room in it's brilliant dome!
The box is a work of art as well.
I chased down this brand to see what happened. The Adie name has been bought up by another company, the old original Adie Factory was sold, the machinery and stock of old bells was sold/scraped.
They now bring in bicycle bells from Germany with kids cartoon- related pictures on them and sales were up.
People today are obviously satisfied with the current product.
Not me however, I was very sad to hear about the factory and that machinery being sold off and The thought of all those marvelous bells possibly being thrown out makes me sick.
This bell, the old school bells were marvelous, beautiful, with a brilliant, wonderful tone that rings "quality"
A magical thing has been lost, the unique ring of a British made bicycle bell. A real cycle bell. A genuine Adie bell. A bell is important and when you quietly glide up behind somebody and they don't hear you they are not happy that you approached without some sort of notice given. Especially when you come up from behind.
The person when they are not aware of your approach can move over into your path and you'll have a collision, with another cyclist, a person or a person with a dog.
With all the old shops I have picked through, I don't think I ever found more than one old bicycle bell.

If you don't have a bell on your English bike then you should get one. It's a neat part of enjoying vintage British bicycles and letting the folks up ahead know that you are behind them by sounding the chimes a bit is the right thing to do.
People everywhere love and appreciate the chime of a bicycle bell.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Adie Bell on e- bay/ beautiful box posted by Brian on 2/5/2003 at 10:43:36 PM
I couldn't agree more with your comments, and those wonderful ring-a-ding notes are not only lovely sounding, but most civilized as well..but being civilized isn't as popular as it once was.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Adie Bell on e- bay/ beautiful box posted by Jeff on 2/6/2003 at 5:29:53 PM
If one were looking to purchase a new bell with that distinctive British ring-a-ding sound what would you reccomend,,,,,Thanks

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Adie Bell on e- bay/ beautiful box posted by Chris on 2/6/2003 at 10:07:09 PM
Miller,Lucas, C.J. Adie and Nephew, Raleigh, Phillips, Chater-lea especially. All of them!
Every British bell thay ever made, with special attention paind to the out of the ordinary, unheard of brands.
The double challais types,the rocket ship models, the vintage alloy anodised ones for display.
I like the huge chromed ones the best, but I love them all.
There are collectors that just do cycle bells.
The Miller lighthouse, the Raleigh Sir Walter, The Phillips lion too!
This stuff is magical!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Adie Bell on e- bay/ beautiful box posted by Chris on 2/9/2003 at 8:24:19 PM
It ended at 42.00 for that N.O.S. bell with that marvelous box. Not too shabby, not too shabby at all.

AGE / VALUE:   YADAMA GO posted by: rickey on 2/5/2003 at 4:22:37 PM

WANTED:   Britannialloy Pump posted by: Brian on 2/5/2003 at 1:21:21 PM
Seeking VGC to English frame pump for my Old Raleigh Sports.
The black britannia/Raleigh-branded/britannialloy sought.
Can buy outright or swap..I have S/A SW, champion flyer (honey), Berthoud (black w/ tan trim) seatbag, etc. Inside pump peg braze-ons accept 16-17" pump.
-Thank you-

WANTED:   RALEIGH ROADSTER 40'S/50'S/60'S posted by: ronnie on 2/5/2003 at 12:14:52 PM
must have enclosed chain guard, 28 inch wheels and rod brakes, condition not a factor, thank you.

   RE:WANTED:   RALEIGH ROADSTER 40'S/50'S/60'S posted by cesar maia on 2/6/2003 at 6:41:03 PM
favor enviar catalogo de preços das peças para Raleigh

   RE:RE:WANTED:   RALEIGH ROADSTER 40'S/50'S/60'S posted by M.R. on 2/7/2003 at 1:53:06 AM
Mi ne havas tion :-( Bonvolu pardonu min!

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: M.R. on 2/4/2003 at 3:31:05 PM
Does any one know the name, or e-mail of the distributor of "Forver" brand roadsters here in the US?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by M.R. on 2/4/2003 at 3:32:29 PM
Sorry lads, I of course meant "Forever"

MISC:   two speed hub posted by: Eric on 2/3/2003 at 6:20:32 PM
I am looking for some information regarding a two-speed hub that is shifted by kicking the crank backwards as one would with a coaster brake. If anyone could tell me the name of the manufacturer and perhaps even have one for sale, it would be greatly appreciated.

   RE:MISC:   two speed hub posted by ken on 2/3/2003 at 7:12:27 PM
That's a Bendix "Auto-Matic" - they made them in both gear reduction (3/4) and overdrive (4/3) ratios in addition to the direct drive - the overdrive ones were for 20" wheels, the ones with low gear for 26s. The one with three red bands have low gear and the stacked-washer brake innards. (If I recall correctly, 3 blue is a low-gear with expansion-shoe brake, and 3 yellow is overdrive - check me on this.) I've got a '63 Schwinn Corvette I'd sell that has one (email me for a picture), and the Flightliners featured them too. See the Sears ad from 63 in Evolution of the Bicycle. I remember the great ads in such noted publications as Boys' Life, where the kid with the Bendix would win the race....

   RE:RE:MISC:   two speed hub posted by Oscar on 2/4/2003 at 4:33:29 AM
I see them on eBay for 25-50 dollars. Get the right one for your bike. A 26" bike would take a red band. I hear that they usually need rebuilding, but parts are available.

I've also been told that you should not rely on the coaster brake solely. Bikes sold with Bendix kickback hubs were also equipped with front caliper brakes.

Did Torpedo make a two-speed kickback?

   RE:MISC:   two speed hub posted by Ian on 2/4/2003 at 8:46:00 AM
On the other hand if you are talking vintage English roadsters then Eadie made one also. I have one somewhere and remember finding it in a catalogue when I got it and if memory serves correctly it was about 1915. Eadie were much better known for their single speed coaster brake hub that was fitted to many different makes of bike but they did also make the two speed for just a couple of years I think. If this is the era you are interested in email me and I will find and copy the catalogue info. Cheers, Ian.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   two speed hub posted by KevinC. on 2/4/2003 at 12:09:50 PM
I have a Schwinn King-Size American that has the two-speed kickback hub, but it never has had a hand brake. A front hand brake was usually added, and that is preferred, however, because then you can slow down without unnecessarily wearing out the two-speed hub. There is a spring inside that eventually breaks because of the constant shifting every time the coaster brake is applied. Those springs cost about $20 each at bike shows.

   Yes Torpado posted by Ray on 2/4/2003 at 4:04:15 PM
Yes, I have had a two speed kickback from Sachs and it was either called a torpado or torpedo I am not sure which. The Bendix TSKBs had three color bands on the shell that would distinguish them from the standard hubs. The Sachs used a plastic color band just around the hub where the bearings would be placed so you could see it from the side.

   RE:MISC:   two speed hub posted by sam on 2/4/2003 at 10:21:11 PM
There are other 2-speed hubs also but they have a manuel shifter--bendix&new departure come to mind---sam

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   two speed hub posted by paul v on 2/5/2003 at 9:22:51 AM
there is also the duo-matic that appeared on the moulton f series stowaway.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   two speed hub posted by Kevin C. on 2/5/2003 at 12:57:58 PM
I think the Herc-u-Matic, by Hercules, had the trigger shift, and only two speeds: Low-Neutral-High.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   two speed hub posted by sam on 2/6/2003 at 1:43:49 AM
Low-Neutral-high was 3 speeds the netural being the standard gear.On the 2speed hubs you had standard and low--except on one of the kick backs which had standard and high.The new departure 2-speeds could be made into standard and high by changing the sprocket.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Colt posted by: Bryant on 2/3/2003 at 6:03:58 PM
Saw what I thought was a Green Raleigh Sports at a flea market yesterday. When I looked closer, it didn't have Sports on the Seat tube (Like my old one did), it had a fancy "R". On the chain guard it said Colt. Didn't get to look at the SA hub so I couldn't date it. It was a ladies bike, and it had some funky sticker over the rear fender decal so I passed it up. Anyone ever hear of a Colt?? and should I be kicking myself now??

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Colt posted by George on 2/4/2003 at 1:29:39 AM
Yeah, I had a Colt. It was a cool little bike. I maybe wrong on this but I believe they were for the US market. The one I had was a men's with a a top tube that curved down towards the seat much like the US cruisers. It was two-toned maroon and white. I got it very tired out of the trash and fixed it up and sold it for $35. It was too small for me. As far as you passing it up, an older gentleman gave me some great advice the other day. You should only regret what you DON'T buy not what you do buy. I would call it no great loss but I realize I may be hanged for heresy on this site saying something like that.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Colt posted by Mark R. on 2/4/2003 at 6:29:24 PM
My nephew has a "Colt". It is just like a "Sports", only it is sized for younger riders, with a sort of sloping/bent top tube. I think I have seen them sized for full size folks, but to tell the truth, they look just like "Sports" to me. My daughter has a "Colt" and it has 24 in. wheels and is really sized for children. I don't know if the fact that they are intended for the young'uns, the "colts" as it were is the reason for the name, but that is my guess.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Colt posted by David on 2/5/2003 at 4:33:22 AM
From about 1975 Raleigh catalog:
Raleigh Colt
Model DL58
26" wheels are fitted to a junior-sized frame to create a bicycle of unique proportions that is particularly easy to ride, and is well suited to boys and girls age nine and over. Sturmey-Archer 3-speed gear with coaster brake, rear carrier, and Raleigh's exclusive self-adjusting front brake.
DL58-20/18" Carmine red
DL58L - 18" Sky blue
(There's a picture of the bike parked next to the pond in the Public Garden with a swan boat in the background. It's forbidden to ride bikes in the Public Garden.)
I suspect US market just because of the red boy/blue girl conventional paint jobs.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:���Raleigh Colt posted by Matt Harter on 2/6/2003 at 4:25:46 AM
I have a sky blue girls colt that is in nice shape except for a missing chainguard. It has 24" wheels.

I am looking for a chainguard for it, or I would sell it to someone who has a chainguard and/or a sky blue girl to ride it.


AGE / VALUE:    posted by: Mark R. on 2/3/2003 at 3:19:32 PM

Check out this item. After the "Dawes" catalog post of a few days ago, this should interest everyone.