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Archived: English Roadsters

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Acquisition... SPRITE posted by: Larry Bone on 3/28/2003 at 2:03:28 AM
Been looking around for a 3-speed britbike and whilst paging through innumerable bikes listed on Ebay... well, I came across an old friend. Looks to be an early 70's Sprite 5-speed (external).

Reason I say it's an old friend is that I slaved the entire summer of 1970 mowing lawns.. to buy myself a brand new Sprite 27 ten speed... whic of course is long gone... Well, the Sprite on Ebay was quickly snatched up using buy-it-now. Complete and in good shape.

Alas... middle age. When we finally get the opportunity to buy back our childhood..... ;-)


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Acquisition... SPRITE posted by P.C. Kohler on 3/28/2003 at 3:10:18 AM
See another Sprite 27 enthusiast comes out of the closet people! The very last Raleigh traditional roadster style bike to have any real impact, at least in the North American market, still resonates. Good! These were very nice riding machines and nice looking ones too. Great brakes and if you were lucky, those cool "all-rounder" handlebars.

You mowed lawns, my Sprite 27 10-speed (oh boy!), 23" frame and in coffee brown (the most "dignified" colour they had people!) was funded out of my newspaper route. I still have the catalogue. Cost $105.00 in 1973. Serious money for a 15-year-old. And add another $20 for a Brooks B-72. Worse still, it was stolen from high school, almost brand new... but quickly replaced. My dealer took pity on me and sold it to me at cost. $65.00 as I recall.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Acquisition... SPRITE posted by steve on 3/28/2003 at 8:59:07 PM
--Or build it ourselves. A couple of years ago, I saw what appeared to be a Sprite 10 chained to a rack. A closer look revealed it to be a Grand Prix that had been fitted with flat bars. . .

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Acquisition... SPRITE posted by Chris on 3/28/2003 at 9:17:21 PM
I don't know what it is. I just cannot resist grabbing tools and ripping these Sprites apart. I save the long top headset nut that goes on the Raleigh Chopper. Pedals, grips, derailer stuff, rear racks, it all goes into boxes.
Because these are not three speed Sturmey-Archer equiped bikes nor are they rod brake roadsters. These have the Raleigh red R nuts and other parts that I save.
These are not 531 frame bikes and they have no intricate lugwork either.
Still, the above post is not the only one we will see telling about how somebody loves this particular Raleigh bicycle. I go into vampire mode with glowing eyes and teeth and in a flurry I have tools all over and it's all pulled apart.
This season will undoubtedly be filled with more Sprites. I'll be in the church parking lot wheeling them away with a evil grin. White ones and Coffee ones and small and really tall frame models.
I have a green mixte framed one that I have 28 X 1 5/8 wheels on and this one has been allowed to stay intact so far.

If I start seeing these sell for over 150.00 or so I may eventually sell these intact. I do think that is where it is heading actually with these.
Once you have been involved with a Raleigh D.L.1. Tourist with those wonderful 28 inch wheels and rod brakes a 27 inch skinny tired Sprite just does not cut it.
I'll be pulling out seat posts off of the Sprites and finding out that this one has a long seatpost that will be better on my 26 inch wheel Superbe or Sports.
Sprites, yup I love them!
Still I understand this bike is well loved.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Acquisition... SPRITE posted by Warren on 3/28/2003 at 11:42:23 PM
They make great quick and dirty fixed gear beaters. Use the existing wheels, pull the 5 cog freewheel...spin on a 3/32 18 tooth cog with loctite and a BB locknut. You should respace and dish the wheel accordingly. Shorten the chain. Invert the bars and voila! Hell on wheels.

You should leave it unlocked at variety stores tempting would-be punk thieves to jump on it and ride away...HAH!

Sorry, I feel cynical today.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Acquisition... SPRITE posted by Larry Bone on 3/31/2003 at 2:33:50 AM
Wow... and I thought the Motorcycle discussion groups I frequent were rough... heh heh. Keep on dismantling them Sprites gang... and when mine is the only one left.... ;-) Actually, appreciate the replies. They appeal to my sense of humour. As far as feeling "cynical" well, perhaps George Bernard Shaw said it best: "The gift of accurate observation is often referred to as cynicism by those that do not possess it."



   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Don't part out the yellow ones either  posted by Chris on 3/31/2003 at 5:10:38 PM
Actually, I think I may be the only one that loves to tear these Raleigh Sprites to bits, for their bits. The fellows here don't likely condone my cycle vampire activities with this Raleigh model bike. They convert these to fixed gear bikes and say it's a great bike for that. These are kept, ridden, donated whole, sold and folks like them.
I saw a fellow in my neighborhood ride one all over everywhere all the time for years.The dude loved it and I shook my head every time I saw him. If you ask sombody if it's for sale, they'll tighten up their grip on the handlebars and tell you: "Oh no, I love this bike, I'm keeping it." Tell them that you love to part these out and they'll look at you horrified and remember to never let you buy it.
It's a decent and cheap bike that holds up very well and beats walking hands down.
Raleigh Sprites were offered in yellow too and this is the rarest color.
The 3 speed Raleigh Sports was offered in lemon yellow and this is also the best color bike to own.

AGE / VALUE:   TWO IMPORTANT QUESTIONS... posted by: Mario Romano on 3/27/2003 at 11:08:26 PM
I have two important questions on Raleigh bicycles...

1- Why we can identify the bicycle's model? The serial number at frame tell us something about that? My bicycle http://www.oldroads.com/fdbdown.asp?787 appears to be what Raleigh model? (Yes, I know that the chainguard, the grips, the saddle leather, the rear reflector and the flag on the front fender isn't original items, I put'em all after purchase the bike).

2-Which is the correct fender ornament for 50's Raleigh bicycles? My brother's Humber have something like a bullet on the middle of a circle (made in aluminum) and I know that the flag was used on some India bicycles. My bicycle, despite the wrong paintwork done at restoration, is a original Raleigh bicycle cause it have the correct serial number, the head badge and every Raleigh correct shape and design parts such as sprocket disk, handlebar and fenders.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   TWO IMPORTANT QUESTIONS... posted by Warren on 3/28/2003 at 2:59:57 AM
Mario...your bike is likely a DL-1 roadster. Even if it wasn't, it's close enough because the bike is not original enough to matter.

The details and the importance of your questions are directly related to the importance of the bikes. I'm not criticizing you for wanting to know the answers to these questions. But many of the details of the history of many bikes are just not available...this is the reason why some questions don't get answered. Keep asking.

AGE / VALUE:   Phillips posted by: Tami J. Adams on 3/27/2003 at 8:36:48 PM
I have a Phillips made in Birmingham,England. The serial num. is K655012(i think that's the serial number. I know nothing about older bicycles, or newer ones for that matter. I wouyld love to gain a little info on this particular bike. Thanks for your help.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Phillips posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 3/27/2003 at 11:48:13 PM
J.A. Phillips and Co. Ltd. Smethwick, Birmingham, England was around for years and years and they were a huge company. Then Raleigh took over and then the Phillips name went on Raleigh made bicycles.
A huge range of cycles were made.
We need a better description if you could please.
What does it say on the bike besides Phillips? The model name is on there somewhere probably on the chainguard or down tube decal.
What size wheels? what color? mens or ladies model? a three speed hub? single speed? is there a gear shifter on the handlebars or not? is this a coaster brake bike? If so it's perhaps a single speed.
Does this have strange rod operated brakes or does it have cables running away from the handbrakes?
Is the chain that goes around the front gear by the cranks open? Can you see it or is it covered by a metal case? The metal case would be an enclosed chaincase and they make the cycle worth a bit more.
Is the seat leather or vinal material.
Phillips offered leather seats and that increases the value a bit more also.
Any thing like a light and bell? Does it have a rear rack?
Wheel sizes are stamped onto tires. it could be a 20 inch wheel or a 24 or a 26 or a 28 inch wheel size. What size?
The rear hub in the rear wheel. Take a rag and wipe off the dirt and tell us what that says. If this is a Raleigh made Phillips bicycle the Sturmey-Archer rear hub will have a date stamped on it like "5-65" or something like that. That would be May of 1965 and that likely will be the year the whole bicycle was made.
The model name will be on there somewhere and dispite the fact that a serial number does us no good as the table charts to decipher this is not available to us or is lost.
No matter, there are enough Phillips bicycle colectors and owners here that we can figure this out.
Many of the folks here have original catalogs and one fellow here P.C. Kohler, has a web group called "Roll Britannia"
Go to that for Phillips posters and general bicycle information.

What is P.C.'s Roll Britannia site address again guys?
Your Phillips could be worth 50-$500.00
We need to know more information.
Once you find out you can look on e- bay to see what other bicycles like yours are going for. A rough idea anyways.
A wide variety of parts are available here at oldroads.com and a bunch of other shops and folks. Hubs are rebuildable, almost anything can be replaced and rebuild and restored and made rideable again.
E- bay offers a lot of parts for these bicycles every day. There are collectors and folks about with original factory machine tooling and spares can be made.
A huge "buffet bar offering" is laid before you. There is far more interest in these old Phillips bicycles than you perhaps imagine. This list is read regularly by far more folks than you see post messages or answer them.
Phillips was not a small time operation and you can get parts for this.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Phillips posted by Chris on 3/27/2003 at 11:51:10 PM
Scroll down for Roll Britannia's web address and enjoy!

FOR SALE:   We've added more inventory. posted by: VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc. at OldRoads.com on 3/27/2003 at 4:15:16 PM
Click on "Bicycles for Sale"
and "Parts for Sale"
at the top of this page.

MISC:   RALEIGH MODELS... posted by: Mario Romano on 3/26/2003 at 12:22:05 AM
Anybody knowns all the names of the 40-50's Raleigh bicycles? Names as Roadster, Cob, Sprint and other?

   RE:MISC: RALEIGH MODELS... posted by P.C. Kohler on 3/26/2003 at 2:59:15 AM
See new file "Raleigh Industries" in the Files Section of Roll Britannia.


This is a work is progress; some model numbers had multiple names which I need to work out. Additions/corrections welcome.

Quick Quiz: name the ONE model in the Raleigh Industries Range c. 1947-56 that was NOT sold as a Rudge or a Humber, only a Raleigh...

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:MISC: RALEIGH MODELS... posted by David Poston on 3/26/2003 at 5:11:47 PM
Quick quiz answer is: Popular? Dawn?


   RE:RE:RE:MISC: RALEIGH MODELS... posted by Scott on 3/26/2003 at 11:36:54 PM
The Raleigh RRA.


   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: RALEIGH MODELS... posted by P.C. Kohler on 3/27/2003 at 12:02:13 AM
Correct, Scott!

I'd still like a Rudge Record Ace; same initials, too!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: RALEIGH MODELS... posted by P.C. Kohler on 3/27/2003 at 12:03:36 AM
Correct, Scott!

I'd still like a Rudge Record Ace; same initials, too!

P.C. Kohler

FOR SALE:   Bluemels NOS mudgards and others posted by: Ray on 3/25/2003 at 9:16:14 PM
I have on ebay now a pair of black NOS Bluemels mudguards. I also have a single white metal Raleigh lightweight mudguard and a front Black roadster NOS mudguard. Will have more in the future so bookmark my postings.

AGE / VALUE:   rare English bikes!!! posted by: sam on 3/25/2003 at 8:55:17 PM

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   rare English bikes!!! posted by Matthew on 3/25/2003 at 11:06:06 PM
Definitely a must for when they cart me of to the sanatoruim I shal have one end of my own hospital bed. All this for (currently) less than £25!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   rare English bikes!!! posted by Ian on 3/26/2003 at 8:45:24 AM
But don't you dare try and pay for them with one of them nasty stolen American credit cards! It would never happen in Britain old chap. And by the time you have read all the terms and conditions and exchange rates you will have fallen asleep from boredom and missed the end of the auction!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   rare English bikes!!! posted by Catfood Rob on 3/26/2003 at 10:33:43 PM
Yeh, but when you fall asleep, at least youll have somewhere to rest your head!!!!!!!!!!

AGE / VALUE:   bent forks posted by: alonzo on 3/25/2003 at 3:42:09 AM
I found yet another Raleigh Sports with a bent fork. In the past, I forked over $20 to my local bike shop to repair one. But now I want to do it myself. It appears that the dropout is simply twisted a bit, but perhaps the blade is off kilter as well. Any technique and tool suggestions?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   bent forks posted by Ralph on 3/26/2003 at 8:36:58 PM
First, Park Dropout Alignment Gages. If you feel real daring, get one of those old Park Fork Clamps with the alignment gages built in.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   bent forks posted by alonzo on 3/27/2003 at 4:53:54 AM

Oooh, yeah, a new tool! Looks after three fork adjustments, I'll have paid for one. So how does one go about using a frame and fork straightener? I work in a machine shop, but have never worked on bike frames before.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   bent forks posted by Ralph on 3/29/2003 at 1:00:13 AM
You use the FFS to cold set the blades in place. I usually set the alignment gages in place, clamp the fork in a vise and bend the blades into alignment. If it's really off, you need the Park Fork Vise I described with the built in gage. If the dropoouts are off get a friend to hold the handlebars and use the gages to bend them back in place.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   bent forks posted by alonzo on 3/29/2003 at 4:12:35 AM
Thanks, Ralph. I sure appreciate the heads up. With your info, I've found some more about repairing bent forks on the web. Looking about my garage, I've got three bikes in need of fork repair. Plenty of practice. Can't wait.

AGE / VALUE:   A STRANGE RED RALEIGH, LOOK THIS... posted by: Mario Romano on 3/25/2003 at 1:11:16 AM
Give a look at this strange 1952 Raleigh Roadster... it's sport a red paintwork and stills maintaining it's original "Raleigh" and "Made in England" decals.

Let me know your personal impressions about it's bicycle originality, manufacturing era, style and any point of view you have about this factory red painted 1952 Raleigh.

This bicycle have a Sturmey-Archer gear hub with the year 1952 etched on it.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   A STRANGE RED RALEIGH, LOOK THIS... posted by Mario Romano on 3/25/2003 at 1:19:38 AM

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   A STRANGE RED RALEIGH, LOOK THIS... posted by Ward Davis on 3/25/2003 at 1:39:45 AM
How can you see any red. The pic looks black. What's the story? Am I not able to hit the correct button on my computer to see "red" ?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   A STRANGE RED RALEIGH, LOOK THIS... posted by David on 3/25/2003 at 1:56:53 AM
Well, Mario's second post does show a red bike. Pretty cool. The idea of lying around in the warm humidity that Bowser is enjoying is even more alluring, however.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: A STRANGE RED RALEIGH, LOOK THIS... posted by P.C. Kohler on 3/25/2003 at 4:04:07 AM
Looks a repaint to me. Raleigh rod-brake roadsters came in black or Raleigh green at least those for the British and North American markets. Nor is this a Raleigh red; Royal Carmine (used to great effect on many of their bikes) was a much richer and darker shade than this orange-red. Decals (transfers): readily available from Lloyds so that doesn't preclude a repaint. Another hint: where's the lining? If the red still shines like this, you'd see the lining. If a roadster came off the Nottingham production line without carriage lining, someone would be in trouble.

Now I have seen an original red rod-braked roadster on eBay (which went for some absurdly low sum) but that was a BSA.

Mario, I must tip my trilby hat to you, sir, for constantly coming up with the most polychromatic English roadsters on the planet. Do you own or are there any plain black roadsters in Brasil??

P.C. Kohler, who took his "Ox Blood" maroon '51 Rudge on a nice long ride today.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   A STRANGE RED RALEIGH, LOOK THIS... posted by Ed on 3/25/2003 at 1:51:06 PM
Cool bike.Does anyone have an opinion as to the model.Looks like a repainted Sports with Sprite fenders to me. Still think that it would be an interesting addition to someone's British collection.
My bowler is also tipped to Mario for his challenging and entertaining finds.
Ed who rode his Black 69 Hercules today,not as exciting as P.C's Rudge,but still a great ride on a beautiful spring day.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   A STRANGE RED RALEIGH, LOOK THIS... posted by Phil J. on 3/25/2003 at 3:45:32 PM
Raleigh did do some custom ordered paint jobs, last year there was a thread about a '69 DL1 with red paint that had been ordered by the owner of a MG dealership as a promotion. I myself have seen a light yellow DL1, factory paint w/black pinstriping.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   A STRANGE RED RALEIGH, LOOK THIS... posted by Jeff on 3/28/2003 at 3:41:08 AM
There were chrome rod-brake roadsters too. Anybody know the story behind these???

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL1 on Ebay posted by: David on 3/24/2003 at 10:03:29 PM
NMA. Nice DL1 with Dyno & DBU. Seems to be in nice shape. (Not too far from DC, PCK.)

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL1 on Ebay posted by Warren on 3/24/2003 at 11:22:44 PM
Why can't people take close-up pictures. Why would I spend $500 on some bike out in the middle of a cow pasture. Makes me crazy...

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL1 on Ebay posted by Chris on 3/25/2003 at 1:13:01 AM
It looks like a very nice machine from afar.
I have had folks ask "Well, Do you want it or not? Before it even comes into view! I say: "Well now, let me see it."

The seller is offering to have it crated so it does not get damaged in transit and you can tell by the long description that the fellow is excited about the bike.
Still better pictures would be in order.

AGE / VALUE:   You're gonna need a bigger truck!/ Social get togethers before they sell you bike goo posted by: Chris on 3/23/2003 at 9:06:17 PM
He might have two, he might have twenty, he might have Two Hundred. Two Thousand?
He did hit the motherload!
He's grinning and tells me: "You don't know how many I have!" "Why do you say you want them all when you don't even know how many I have?"
"I said I have more of them, I didn't say how many I have."
I know you love these but really now, how many do you want? What you gonna do with all of them?
Yes, I'll bring them over or maybe we can go over there together.
Me? I'm gonna hang them up on the wall (s) as a piece of art.
"I have not had the time to go through all of what I just bought."
It's still in the locked (private) room I missed during last visit. "You can come over and look around but I never said you'll see everything!" He's been busy and getting the rest of these has not been easy. It's trying and I don't know how many there are and what else did he get? How big of a collection was there? Who's? Never heard of him. "Well he was huge collector!"
Haggling out a deal is made more difficult when the room is spinning on you. He'll hold something up and tell me how cheap I am! He'll call me names and insult me. I have to load it all up afterwards. I'm gonna need a bigger truck!
I'll be seeing parts in boxes and I won't know what the going rates are for them. OOOHHH! Rival collector pals will immeditely ask:" Where are you?" Don't tell them but press them for answers!
I never ask "How many?" of them because he waves in aggrivation and says he doesn't know! Everying is all mixed up. The name calling does not bother me as long as they'll still sell me what I want and don't go raising prices too far. I'm looking at everythng and not listening anyways.
There is food stacked up and I have already eaten and he's yelling "Eat! Eat! We can't finish it and I don't want this to go to waste!" I ate and then thery're poking my stomach and telling me I'm fat. I know that!
These people want you to eat with them and they want to get into your life and critizize and I'm supposed to sit there good naturedly about everything that's said. It's considered rude if you don't eat with them. They're eating and don't like it if you won't eat. So I (over) ate. Still I was honoured that they offered.
Another time with another folks they wanted me to drink and tried pushing it on me. "Oh, sorry but I don't drink."
What do you mean you don't drink?
I explained that I don't drink, that I had to get across the border too. He looked at me, cross eyed. I got home broke, loaded down with bike goodies and sober too.
On e- bay nobody makes you sit and eat and or drink with them before they'll sell you what you bid on. Nobody grabs a chair and commands you to: Sit and stay and here, have some apple strudel!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   You're gonna need a bigger truck!/ Social get togethers before they sell you bike posted by Tim on 3/24/2003 at 6:05:19 PM
Hey Chris your so right. I buy many bikes from farmers. They usually have grandads old bike stashed in the barn. Sometimes even great grandads. I always allow plenty of time when I visit as I usualy get invited in for tea and cakes. When I get talking and explain my interest they say they know other people with old cycles and off we go to visit a neighbouring farm to look at another machine. Always they are very hospitable, it must come from living on the land and not in the city.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   You're gonna need a bigger truck!/ Social get togethers before they sell you bi posted by Chris on 3/24/2003 at 10:43:27 PM
Farmers with barns packed with old films. bikes, motorcycles, whatever the farmer decided to devote his life's blood sweat and tears to. Two brothers who had a rival thing going, obvoiusly.
You say "Farmer" and I think of huge paper wasp nests inside the barn. The lady is demanding to know "How soon can you get this crap out of here? She wants to get the place sold and move.
Every "Indiana Jones" needs to carry a first aid kit!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   You're gonna need a bigger truck!/ Social get togethers before they sell you posted by Tim on 3/25/2003 at 1:21:21 PM
Farms are obviously a bit different in rural Wales than America. But yes often you find the most amazing things. Once I found an original WWII Sherman tank in a place called Llanybyther West Wales, that the farmers father had bought off the American Army before they went home after the war. His son said his dad just liked it and now it just sat in a barn. A Jeep I could understand, but a tank!!

AGE / VALUE:   White tails on your mudguards posted by: Matthew on 3/23/2003 at 9:52:13 AM
Without doubt this is the supreme discussion board for our type of cycles.

Now to matters of white paint on mudguards (fenders if you prefer). I have some pre-WW2 cycles with no white tail and some post war with, also pre-WW2 with. This anomoly is probably best understood in this manner.During the suffocating blackout of the second world war all cycles had to wear hooded or screened lamps, as did motor vehicles. In the early days of the war road casualties exceeded the deaths by enemy action. The relevant authorities came up with the white paint theory and thus mudguards on vehicles were painted white. Trams, buses, cars etc all had white edges to their extremities. Kerb stones, lamposts and street furniture also got the white treatment. Not everyone would be precise about their precautions and therefore the white tails on mudguards vary. No doubt the ministry of war or ministry of transport produced regulations which were either misunderstood or ignored. Thus a cyclist wishing to avoid prosecution may have painted more mudguard than was necessary whilst a rafish cad my have only painted the smallest area to avoid being collared. ( Collared - being physically apprehended by the local constable)
What of the pre WW2 cycles with no white patch? Either they never saw sunset for the duration or, as is often the case, they were laid up for the entire conflict thus avoiding the blackout altogether.

History lesson over. From Matthew, excused service during WW2 on age grounds.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   White tails on your mudguards posted by Art on 3/24/2003 at 2:17:56 AM
I have a pre-war Hercules that has a white metal fender overlay that attaches to the all black fender end with a hole that matches up with the rear reflector. I saw a similar one offered on e-bay once.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Chaincase Swap? posted by: Gary Aardahl on 3/23/2003 at 2:03:06 AM
I was refered to you by a collector to post my question. Would an enclosed chaincase from a 1950s Raleigh Sports Superbe fit a 1974 Raleigh 28" Tourist? For some reason I feel compelled to change over to an enclosed case.....I just like the look. Thanks!
Gary Aardahl

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Chaincase Swap? posted by David Poston on 3/23/2003 at 2:12:58 AM
As long as the Superbe is a 28" wheel roadster, then it should be no problem, I would think. I felt the same urge for my 79 Tourist. Just doesn't qualify as a "roadster" without one. Get rid of the ugly 70's decals while you're at it.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Chaincase Swap? posted by P.C. Kohler on 3/23/2003 at 2:21:22 AM
In a word, NO.

The gearcases fitted to Raleigh Sports (Superbes or otherwise) were designed for 26" wheels and machines with brazed on backstays. They will not fit a DL-1 with 28" wheels and bolted-on backstays. DL-1 style gearcases are easy to find as Indian-made knock-offs. Check out Cycles of Yesteryear website for them. You can easily sell your gearcase for your Sports; these are more sought-after as there are no longer made.

P.C. Kohler

WANTED:   Cry for help posted by: Rif Addams on 3/22/2003 at 7:01:54 PM
Hi All,
As you may or may not know, I am involved in the George A. Wyman Centennial Recreation of 2003.
I am to be 'the man in the saddle' (or as Jim W. likes to call me 'the intrepid motonaut'); in which I will be riding a near replica of a 1903 California brand Motor Bicycle from San Francisco to New york City. We are recreating the first crossing of the United States (Coast to Coast) by motor vehicle. All the details can be seen at:
Our replica is nearly ready, but we have come upon a major roadblock. We have the wrong length spokes. Our spokes are just slightly too long. We are having a problem finding the proper length spokes in the proper diameter.
This wouldn't be an issue if we had a spoke thread roller, as we could roll the threads a bit longer then cut or grind the spokes back to the length we need.

Here are the spec.s for the wheels and spokes:
We are using 28" X 1 1/2" rims with a 1949 New Departure Model D rear brake hub.
Our current spokes are 3mm diameter (.105") and 305 mm length.
We need, for the rear hub, a spoke length of 299/300mm and for the front a spoke length of 302mm,.
This would be in a 3 cross pattern. We ran the numbers for a 4 cross pattern as well and that won't work either.

Basically what I am asking of you is this:
Preferably- if someone has a thread rolling tool that we could borrow just for long enough to do the minor adjustments neccessary to these spokes could we pretty please make arrangements for the use of the tool just long enough to correct this problem?
if that isn't a possibility- if you know of a supplier where we can get these in short order please let us know.
Thank you for your time,
Rif Addams

   RE:WANTED:   Cry for help posted by Matthew on 3/23/2003 at 10:13:53 AM
Have you tried contacting the VMCC in the UK? Sorry I have no address for them.
There is a M-cycle restorer par excellence called something like Tennant Eyalls in the UK try a search. Matthew

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Cry for help posted by Rif on 3/23/2003 at 4:41:40 PM
Thank you for that info, I will look into it. I greatly appreciate your help.

AGE / VALUE:   E- bay item # 2166431431 Raleigh D.L.1. posted by: Chris on 3/22/2003 at 4:37:40 PM
Look Ma, No dents in the mudguards!
No white stripe on the rear either. Never has worn a rear rack or else there would be damage from that. Beautiful!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   E- bay item # 2166431431 Raleigh D.L.1. posted by David on 3/22/2003 at 11:21:24 PM
What's the likely date for this one? Late 70s? 80s?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   E- bay item # 2166431431 Raleigh D.L.1. posted by Mark R. on 3/23/2003 at 12:43:24 PM
That could be my old bike! Mine was identicle, and was made in Dec. 1978

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   E- bay item # 2166431431 Raleigh D.L.1. posted by Chris on 3/24/2003 at 9:21:36 PM
The Raleigh D.L.1. Tourist no longer was shipped to the U.S.A. after 1980.
I can tell that this one was a bike meant for the U.S.A. because of the export wire fender stays.
Also no enclosed chainguard on this one.
So it is before 1980 for sure.