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Archived: English Roadsters

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   saddle bag posted by: Gerry on 3/9/2003 at 7:21:27 PM
I am looking for a saddle bag for my '52 Rudge. I would like to find a leather one, but I find no manufacturer. The Carradice one or Berthoud do not fill my waitings. Any idea?
Thank you

   Check my postings posted by Ray on 3/10/2003 at 2:54:44 PM
This goes off this evening.

   RE:Check my postings posted by Gerry on 3/10/2003 at 3:57:43 PM
Thank you Ray!

   RE:Baycliffe posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 3/15/2003 at 8:09:00 PM
Baycliffe bag went to $52.20
This particular item has the potential to go even higher. This is quirky and irrugular thing.
List another one of these someday and who knows?
maybe up to 180.00? like I said, who knows? and it's weird.
The older and more difficult to find ones, the leather bags and pannier boxes, even higher, me boy! 3-400.00 and folks duke it out to win the auction. I had mine in the shoe repair shop for 4 days and non- bicycle customers who were in there for shoes were asking about it and some of them knew what it was. He called and said" Come get this, it's done and it's disrupting my shop! They all want to buy it!
Myself, this is an item that is just too hard to find and too dang blasted, bitchin -cool to sell. The type of thing you display on a wall.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   saddle bag posted by Edward in Vancouver on 3/9/2003 at 7:45:48 PM
Do what I did: Find a plastic or canvas replica of what you want, rip it apart and use the pieces for a pattern. Find the leather you want, and bring the whole mess to a comptent shoemaker. You'll pay for the shoemaker's labour and maybe the leather and parts, but it'll look alot better than if you made it yourself.

FOR SALE:   English bikes for sale in Lafayette, IN. posted by: Kevin C. on 3/9/2003 at 7:04:54 PM
RUNNING OUT OF ROOM! Cool bikes, cheap! All bikes must be picked up in Lafayette, Indiana. No shipping. Sorry, no digital camera: green 1960s Raleigh Sports, men's very good, medium size frame, white walls, $50; another Raleigh Sports, men's, black, tall frame, good rider, $50; women's 26 inch Humber, double rod front forks, cable brakes, enclosed chaincase, rear Dynohub with power pack and headlight, maroon, old repaint, leather saddle, rare bike, $150; Schwinn Varsity, men's tall frame, rare sunset orange paint, very nice, $50; 1970 red Schwinn Racer, very nice all original coaster lightweight, $20; 1960 Schwinn Racer or Tourist, white, stainless fenders, three speed, original saddle, very clean old bike with great decals, $75; a few old boys' balloners, Roadmaster, Schwinn, etc., need restoration, none with springers, $25-50 each. Lots of other restorable bikes. Discount price for quantity lot. Call 1-765-429-6247 for more information.

WANTED:   50's roadster raleigh hercules etc posted by: ron on 3/9/2003 at 5:34:33 PM
28 inch rod brake bike, must have enclosed chain guard
thankyou, will pay GOOD $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!

WANTED:   50's roadster raleigh hercules posted by: ron on 3/9/2003 at 5:32:59 PM
28 inch rod brake bike, must have enclosed chain guard

FOR SALE:   English Roadsters/Parts posted by: bacoes on 3/9/2003 at 3:09:22 AM
I've got too many bikes and need to pare down the collection. I'm taking these to the scrap. I've got '58 and '62 Sports, a '62 AMF and an early '60s Schwinn Racer. All need work, but are complete. All have AW hubs except the '58 which I think has a SW. If anyone needs any parts, let me know. bacoes@hotmail.com

   RE:FOR SALE:   English Roadsters/Parts posted by David on 3/9/2003 at 3:30:35 AM
Where are these?

   RE:FOR SALE:   English Roadsters/Parts posted by brent on 3/10/2003 at 3:18:47 AM
Dayton, OH

FOR SALE:   Humber on Ebay posted by: Ben on 3/8/2003 at 10:44:48 PM
Hey, did anyone figure out what the reserve on that Humber Sports on ebay was?


   RE:RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE: Humber on Ebay posted by Brian on 3/10/2003 at 2:14:34 PM
Oops! I meant to write "P.C." instead of "D.C."
I must have been thinking of the city where you live.

   RE:FOR SALE:   Humber on Ebay posted by Ben on 3/10/2003 at 8:12:16 PM
Fortunately, 21" frame is fine by me!!!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE: Humber on Ebay/ Chris's lousy memory/off topic sillyness posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 3/11/2003 at 1:47:30 AM
See! I was so seduced by those funky decals and the overall clean look of the bike I forgot to look at the kickstand area.
I hate it when I get ahold of a bike and see a mashed chainstay because of careless use/installation of a kickstand!
I usually remove the kickstand with the seller standing there,and point it out and use that as a reason to get them to lower a price.
The cycle is damaged if it has mashed stays.( getting technical here I know, and this has gotten the people crabby and even got my butt tossed out once but I still do it!) Oh, You can still ride it safely for 1000,s of miles but who wants a bike with mashed stays?
Finding them without any stay damage, yea, good luck there. Now when it's advertized as: "Never has had a kickstand mounted." There you go!

I'm trying to remember the title of this movie I saw once and I cannot remember it! These two brothers both had used car lots and the highway was comming through so the one brother wanted the other's lot but the guy wouldn't sell. This one scene where a guy walks up and asks to go in a test drive and he rips around at high speed and jumps kerbs and the guy's dropping his heart pills all over the floor and they get back with the car totally wrecked and then the guy say's: "I dunno it's kinda high, pops!" They bury the car in the yard with the salesman in it and they go on like nothing ever happened. They get all these cars from a junkyard and line them up in a mile to get the highway contract. It was a great movie and I can't remember the darned title! Crap! Anyways, I went way off topic.
Good point about there being a larger Humber frame offered, this one is not the taller frame.
When I buy a tandem someday I'll have to do that to the seller! Jump kerbs and give the guy a heart attack. Can you imagine us? The guy yelling: Get off this bike right now!

   RE:FOR SALE:   Humber on Ebay posted by Ben on 3/13/2003 at 3:58:10 AM
Well, $180 for the Humber and reserve still not met...

   RE:FOR SALE:   Humber on Ebay posted by David on 3/9/2003 at 12:54:56 AM
$138 was still under the reserve. Maybe the seller will tell you; it's been relisted.


Nice bike - maybe overpriced!

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Humber on Ebay posted by M.R. on 3/9/2003 at 1:53:52 PM
It's certainly not over priced at $138! If it got too much higher maybe. It looks like a fine bike.

   RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Humber on Ebay posted by Chris on 3/9/2003 at 9:42:16 PM
I have seen locking fork model Humber bicycles in this size wheel and frame size sell for over $400.00 Yes, that was for a 26 inch wheel cable braked bike like this one.
This one on e-bay right now is a mens model, and it is in very good condition with lovely decals. I think it is worth over $138.00 too. But it may take awhile for somebody to pay that.
The decals on this bicycle are original but they are a diffrent color than the decals on my two bikes. My bikes are exact as the one pictured with exception of the decals on the headbadge and on the enclosed chaincase. Raleigh made Humber bicycles had a variety of decal transfers with diffrent colors even thought they were being applied on the same model bicycle. Same decal just a diffrent color or two added! Wild!
I have seen this happen with my 28 inch wheel Humber bicycles too. Some have red on the decal badge and others do not. This all adds to the mystery and coolness and becons me on the acquire more of these but not right now. So I sit and watch this bike go back and forth. No worry, they'll be others and somebody will buy this one as it's nice and original.
I have a fork off of a ladies frame that is painted in Robins egg blue. There were other colors I have yet to see and acquire!

   RE:FOR SALE:   Humber on Ebay posted by Matthew on 3/9/2003 at 11:09:00 PM
No more sceptism this looks like a good one. Hooray for Ebay. I hope an appreciative buyer is found. How about it guys?
Not my sale etc etc.

   RE:RE:FOR SALE: Humber on Ebay posted by P.C. Kohler on 3/10/2003 at 1:13:18 AM
This is nice, very nice. The only caveat is the fact that it's a 21-inch frame and 23-inch ones are more desirable. Obviously the gent who owned this machine either loved her or hated cycling!

eBay has been all over the map of late. Some wonderful machines (including the 1930 Raleigh Record I bid on) not reaching their reserves (assuming they were reasonable of course), what, by rights, should have been MY cream celluloid mudguards going for $135, a set of NOS replacement Raleigh transfers for $120 (!) yet a 1938 12 v. dynohub fetches all of £37.

I think I might wait a week or so before I put some of my unwanted treasures on eBay!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:FOR SALE: Humber on Ebay posted by Brian on 3/10/2003 at 2:10:32 PM
D.C.-I'll keep an eye on your unwanted treasures. That ebay Humber is a deal (so far), my only buying trepidation would be about the possibility of crimped stays from that crappy-looking kickstand. Considering the buyer is getting a period-correct pump and saddlebag, and a fully enclosed chaincase, really sweetens the deal. If the lighting setup was there, I wouldn't be able to refuse bidding myself even though I certainly don't need yet another bike! Now which one to bring to Philly in April...?

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:+AKAAoACg-Place to find cycle related tools posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 3/8/2003 at 7:42:57 PM
If you are having trouble finding 26 T.P.I. bottom bracket taps (Raleigh) and stuff for these English bicycles try:
Tracy Tools LTD.
2 Mayors Avenue
Dartmouth. Devon. TQ6 9NF
Tel:(01803)833134 . Fax (01803) 834588
E- mail: TraceyTools@aol.com

Tap and Die Specialists
Request quotation for:Drills, Reamers,Taps&Dies, Milling Cutters, Slitting Saws, Woodruff, Diehead Chasers, Convex &
Concave Cutters, Knurls, Boring Bars, Revolving Centers, Left Hand Taps& Dies,Chasers,Helical
Now I just have to get out the old Brown Brothers book and ask for the taps and dies and stuff that the Brown Brothers Book shows. I'll bet Tracy tools will have or be able to get all of it.
Tracy has been around since 1960 in Dartmouth
They will be at the Classic Bike Exhibit in Stafford in April

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cycle Painters posted by: P.C. Kohler on 3/7/2003 at 2:57:20 PM
Has anyone out there have a frame painter in North America they have been pleased with? And with a traditional black roadster too; not some flashy multi-speed with those horrid colour combinations and ghastly transfers. Just plain black, British Black, with pin striping, stove-enamelled. I am trying to avoid the cost of potentially shipping something to the UK where I know Harvey Russell can do it well, traditionally and reasonably.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Cycle Painters posted by P.C. Kohler on 3/10/2003 at 3:09:59 PM
Jorge, exactly... this is what I have used before, but in Dupont Dulux. Brushed on with lots of reducer. Don't know if I'd try to paint an entire machine this way but it looks as good as a spray job on the top tube I did.

A stupid question: if one is painting say a handlebar black or similar size components, how does one duplicate stove-enamelling? Surely one does't put the painted object in a household oven? Or can one??

I could only ask such a question if my wife is 3,000 miles away. If she returns to find rod brake bits baking in the oven, she won't even notice the four bikes in the bedroom.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cycle Painters posted by David Poston on 3/7/2003 at 5:31:37 PM

Have you considered CyclArt? They seem to have restored a few antique "roadsters". But I doubt that they stove enamel. Does anyone stove enamel nowadays? Even H. Russell?

I'd like to find a reliable, upstanding frame painter as well, because I've had bad experiences with touch-ups.

Seems it should such an easy job. No high-tech equipment required. Just need a big vat and a stove. Paint it plain black, then line it. How hard is that? In our high-tech world today, we can't even do simple or basic craftsmanship which would have been standard 100 years ago.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cycle Painters posted by Warren on 3/7/2003 at 6:03:19 PM
Try Marinoni...


They'll do a one colour respray for $100 but I doubt they'll touch the pins. You need a motorcycle restorer for that. Do a web search for one near you.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cycle Painters posted by David Poston on 3/7/2003 at 8:11:58 PM

Wait a minute, weren't you one to say it was "criminal" to repaint that black enamel? Which cycle of yours were you thinking of repainting?


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Cycle Painters posted by P.C. Kohler on 3/7/2003 at 10:25:47 PM
That's what I'd like to find in North America: a simple spray it (better still, dip it), bake it and line it type operation like Cycles of Yesteryear does. I suspect it's easier in the long run to just ship the frame to England.

I had a unpleasant experience with CycleArt, not relating to frame restoration, and would not consider their services.

And no David, I would NEVER repaint a machine unless absolutely necessary. This is for a "possible" acquisition...well you know the story!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Cycle Painters posted by Edward in Vancouver on 3/7/2003 at 10:44:49 PM
In for a penny, or a pound? Either way it's gonna cost you -alot. And once you've got the frame stripped, might as well get it on a measuring table to see if the frame and forks are true as well. I've had some success with powder coating, but the biggest problem is pinstriping. Unless you're well connected with the car and motorcycle restorers, you won't find anyone with that sword-shaped pinstriping brush. Your restoration will cost you two of things you never seem to have enough of, time and money, oh yeah, and patience...

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Cycle Painters posted by Chris on 3/7/2003 at 11:06:00 PM
Ship it to England anyways, you won't be sorry.
Chrome plating done here will not match what is done in England. It'll look diffrent and be incorrect. Remember that if you need or want chrome work done.
Cycleart will not supply decal (transfers) without getting the entire job and the entire job will be very expensive.
I would ship it to England and spend the money that would get spent anyways on shipping rather than throw it at Cycleart whose heart is not in these type of machines.
I vote "No!" against Cycleart
Be sure to include a set of old cups in the bottombracket and have old screws in the bike so whoever it winds up with does not get paint in the threads and cause you unnecessary grief.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cycle Painters posted by sam on 3/8/2003 at 1:01:13 AM
I'd talk to Bob Pavao .http://members.aol.com/BPJsales/bpj.htm after all talk is cheep , he does pre-war american bikes but you might like his work.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cycle Painters posted by Ed on 3/8/2003 at 3:07:22 PM
P.C. Our friend Gordon Freednan,Owner of Cycle Classics, Portsmouth VA does beautiful work. Good luck with your project,although in my opinion painting has to be a last resort.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cycle Painters posted by george on 3/8/2003 at 9:48:39 PM
Dave, I'm back and would like to say if painting anything were that easy we'd all be doing it ourselves. Come on man, think.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cycle Painters posted by Ben on 3/9/2003 at 5:34:53 PM
Waterford Cycles in Wisconsin did a nice job restoring my 1978 Colnago Super. It certainly was not cheap, but then I was looking for perfection. If you are definitely going for a repaint, you might consider powdercoating. The finish is good, it's not nearly as expensive as a professional paint job, and i's durable.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cycle Painters posted by Jorge Ullfig on 3/10/2003 at 3:13:51 AM
Paint it pitch Black, with Dupont Centauri Pitch Black, this is a stock color with a hard high brilliant gloss finish.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Got one want another posted by: Fred on 3/6/2003 at 2:31:01 PM
I recently picked up a 69 green Sports, at a new shop near my winter home. I look at any Raleigh but this one had such good paint and barely rusted chrome that it stood out in a jumble of frames and other bike parts. A close look revealed that someone, lacking the right part, and in my opinion litte talent in mechanics, had driven a bolt in place of a correct cotter through the left hand crank arm and axle shaft. It also lacked a seat. I offered $5 for it and took it home. It took a lot of effort to remove the bolt without doing damage to the BB and crank arm. Then I dissassembled the bike and lubed every thing, cleaned it up, and it really started to look good. The stem and bars didn't clean up to suit me so I replaced them with new parts that look similar to the originals. I soaked all the small plated bits in Oxalic acid to remove all the rust. New brake pads and chain plus a good used seat from my stash finished the job. The result is, that I have nice looking and riding Raleigh for about $20 and a few hours work/play. The shop also had beautiful, original, ladies Sports for sale. This bike was tricked out with a seat bag, mud flaps and full lighting. I was surprised that it was painted silver. I have never seen one in that color. I am tempted, oh how I am tempted, Maybe I could sell one of my red Sports and slide the silver beauty in its place. Today is cleanout day. I have about 15 complete but rusty low end bikes that people have given me over the last 5 years. I would love to refurbish a few of them but can't justify the cost. I hate to see working bikes taken to the landfill, but what is the alternative. I finally solved the problem by arranging for a local fixit shop to take them and put them out for children in the very poor neighborhood who cannot afford a bike.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Got one want another posted by Angela on 3/6/2003 at 7:23:52 PM
3 Cheers for Fred!!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Got one want another posted by Angela on 3/6/2003 at 7:24:10 PM
3 Cheers for Fred!!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Got one want another posted by Chris on 3/7/2003 at 1:40:38 AM
I never cared for the silver colored Sports. The red one or a yellow one which is the most desireable color to have as it is rare. At least that's my feeling.
People love the bike and even the silver colored ones!
Glad you saved it!

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Got one want another posted by Chris on 3/7/2003 at 1:42:06 AM
There is a silver one and also a "gun metal grey" that Raleigh was famous for.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Got one want another posted by Mark R. on 3/7/2003 at 1:39:19 PM
Grey is OK, but Black is beautiful!

AGE / VALUE: Cyclo Pedal Key posted by: Chris on 3/5/2003 at 7:05:20 PM
E- bay item # 3212204200 Cyclo Pedal Key
No relation to seller, not my auction
This is the tool that you use to remove the screwed on pedal cap on Cyclo made pedals. The older, re-buildable pedals found on many vintage British bicycles. This way you don't scratch or mar the cap! Probably Raleigh, Phillips and other brands of pedals would work with this tool as well.
Neat little item!

AGE / VALUE: Bantel alloy fenders on e- bay posted by: Chris on 3/5/2003 at 6:57:52 PM
E-bay item # 2163057130 Bantel Cycle fenders alloy 1950's N.O.S.
Not my auction,no relation to seller.
These are nice!
However I noticed a dent on the top of the rear fender. It may be in a place that one won't see it but I thought I'd point that out.
Blumels and Bantel and a few other companies made these alloy fenders.

Got a little time today to start reading through another of my recent purchases, a 1936 copy of "THE CYCLIST" (Vol 1, No 2., I can't understand why nobody else bid on it). Some great articles including one all about the Sturmey hubs of the day and another about all the different streamling ideas including several types of recumbents but the one that really caught my I eye in view of David's recent postings about New Hudson was the mention in the "New Releases" of the 1936 New Hudson Empire club model with the pressed steel frame that could be unbolted completely and packed into a box the size of a wheel box. "New Hudson claim that this peculiar construction, far from detracting from the efficiency of the machine under propulsion, actually renders it more rigid and lively. The ends of each frame member are so designed that it is impossible for the frame to be assembled out of alignment. " Just got to have one of those, has anybody ever seen one? Cheers, Ian.

New Hudson also made in 1937 a tandem bike with all twin tubes The only single tubes were the seat posts. Even the bottom tubes wre doubled. Almost looks like a late 50's Schwinn style.

AGE / VALUE:   Yaa, it's a box of old inventory! posted by: Chris on 3/5/2003 at 12:55:56 AM
What's in the box??
I walked in, I see a large box! What's this? "A pal of the owner had this stuff and gave it to him." Now I have to stock it" he says.
I look thru it, rather dump it out on the floor and spread it out. Sturmey-Archer trigger cables!! shifters.
The axles and cones are replacement and not exact Raleigh /Sturmey-Archer but they'll work and I won't have to go crazy trying to find them. CONES!! "Big deal" he says "That's all obsolete stuff nobody wants" We have been round this issue before and still he says this to bug me.
"I'm not a nobody!" he says. "No, you're a nut, Chris." "But we love you anyways, you know we do!" We grin at each other.
I tell him what trouble it has been to find Sturmey-Archer trigger cable in this shop and all they ever had was Shimano, Shimano, Shimano until I am sick of it!
I hold up the Sturmey cables and tell him how happy I am to see it and that I want it all. He rolls his eyes!
"Anything else?" I look around the place and it's all the same modern stuff I could get anyplace and I don't want any of it anyways. so the answer is "No."
One box of old inventory, new goodies! That made my day.

AGE / VALUE:   BSA instuction book posted by: Pete on 3/4/2003 at 5:27:41 PM
Hello All I have for sale some small but highly useful 1950s BSA "Maintainace of your bicycle" booklet. It has 36 pages and is from BSA,s Raleigh period. It covers every thing including rod brakes, Sturmeys,wiring diagrams,gearcases. These are original and only $10 inc post

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   BSA instuction book posted by David Poston on 3/4/2003 at 11:42:11 PM

You have my interest. Is the BSA booklet specific to BSA-manufactured cycles? I am wondering whether my New Hudson, since it more than likely was made under BSA, would have BSA-type brakes, etc. I already have the classic Raleigh maintenance booklet, but if the BSA booklet would explain BSA rod brakes (which I am guessing are different from Raleigh?), then it would be worthwhile.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   BSA instuction book posted by PETE on 3/5/2003 at 7:57:47 AM
I guess this is a badge "engineered" booklet. Instead of Raleigh on the cover it has BSA , New Hudson and Sunbeam

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   BSA instuction book posted by David Poston on 3/6/2003 at 4:26:32 PM
Badge-engineered meaning that the contents therein are identical to the classic "Cycle Maintenance Handbook" put out by Raleigh (c. 1950's-60's) with the red lettering on the front?


MISC:   Chris & P.C. better wear safety goggles posted by: Ray on 3/4/2003 at 3:16:47 PM
When you look at this site your eyes will pop so for safety sake wear some goggles. I have purchased from this guy before and met him at some local swaps as he travels from the UK to sell state side. Get a load of some of these goodies

   RE:MISC: We command you, Chris to leave that body and return to America! posted by Chris on 3/5/2003 at 1:35:31 AM
He's one of the few I would like to jump into and possess and ask a jillion questions of too.
I would be up at all hours driving around to see what has become of this company and what is on this site or that site. I would be visiting everybody he knows and I'd be missing for weeks on end and all the time trying to remember to drive on the proper side of the road.Oh what fun I'd have!
But alas, I can't possess the fellow, it wouldn't be very polite and all you need to do is send him a wish list and the appropriate funds and he'll send it right out.