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Archived: English Roadsters

AGE / VALUE:   '49 Raleigh Sports posted by: David on 4/22/2003 at 9:34:32 PM
NMA: Old Sports w/chaincase, dynohub, 23" frame.


AGE / VALUE:   What a ride! posted by: Brian on 4/22/2003 at 12:18:00 PM
How about this ride?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What a ride! posted by David on 4/22/2003 at 6:46:42 PM
Acc to the seller, this beaut has an FM hub.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What a ride! posted by Matthew on 4/22/2003 at 8:14:10 PM
Rather a nice lightweight for those who like a good turn of speed without the solidity of a roadster.Nothing to do with me but well worth a look or even a bid.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   What a ride! posted by Chris on 4/23/2003 at 12:12:05 AM
Without asking the seller, I'd (believe) guess this is the original paint and decals. This is a very beautiful bike!

( A thing to keep in mind here with these lovely lightweights)
One has to be careful, however. Back in the day, shops advertized re- enamel and re- spray's all the time. Optional factory re- finishing was not always a sure thing. Sometimes the magic was not duplicated even by the same place and people.
" Starting a new season? How about a re- enamel/ re- spray." Says the ad. I have period examples of folks and shops that re-finished lightweight bikes from the 1950's, 1960's. The many shops were quite good at it, the work came back nicely. Decals were available, the shop would dash off a serial number and with the customers name and replacement decals would be in the mail and applied in good order.
Many bikes were re- sprayed back in the day and dispite all the expertise and skill, the original finish was lost anyways. The new decals were replacements ( sometimes? or always?) and a good, trained, experienced eye could( still can) discern the difference from original new. I am not familiar with this particular brand at all. I don't want to suggest that this bike has been ever re- finished either. If one is in the market for a bike like this it is best to ask somebody who is really sharp on whatever particular vintage brand you are interested in. Look at a vintage catalog and then look at the bike and listen to folks who know and can spot when something is not right. Back in the day the ads said: Lots of lovely lolly for your lovely lightweight.
Bikes were altered, added on to, re- sprayed, re- chromed, bought, sold and traded. Today, fewer shops offer the type of services like they did years ago. Today, They send it out and while todays shops that do this can and do perform wonders, there are fewer of these shops around. We are now in the hands of a well qualified few with this. Unless you count the "friend of mine " that paints bikes and they say to avoid doing that as it can and does go wrong. They say bikes are tricky to paint and they are right.
To me, this looks original; and well cared for. Of course the brakes have been switched right? You all already knew that however.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: What a ride! posted by P.C. Kohler on 4/23/2003 at 3:11:50 PM
Dare I suggest that the paint jobs on Raleigh Industries machines other than black were, well, crap...!

So many of the club bikes, sports models etc. I've seen from the 1950s-60s in all those "polychromatic" colours just NEED repainting. Badly. Even if the chrome is good. The paint is chalky, has that 'orrible "cancer" and... what's all that still lustrious BLACK underneath? Well... the custom was to dip every single frame in black back then. If a frame was to get a fancy paint job, it was then sprayed. Well obviously the colour coat was not only lighter than the heavy "dunked" black but it didn't adhere very well to the black undercoat. These colour finishes simply defy rubbing and polishing compounds, shoe polish and all the other "tricks" we have. There's not much left except to repaint. And then have to match "Polychromatic Napoleon Red" or "Polychromatic Lilac"!

I believe things improved in the mid 1960s when colour frames became more common than black. These were sprayed directly over the spra-bonderised surface. Black frames were "dunked" right to the end I think although other black bits were sprayed.

P.C. Kohler

MISC:   Larz Anderson National Bike Show posted by: Peter W Naiman on 4/22/2003 at 2:46:20 AM
This is a list of the cycles you will be seeing on the Larz Anderson Concourse this Sunday on the 27th. We expect a number of other, lightweights, Highwheelers, Antique, and Ballon Tire to arrive on show day. The Museum of Transportation will also have their collection of rare antique cycles on display. Most of their prized collection is from the 1880 to early 1900s.

1958 Holdsworth "Triallist". 16 pound path racer.
37 Gloria La Garabaldina Extra. First (I believe) Italian produced Simplex
derailleur. Company that launched the careers of Masi, Colnago and others. many
details of both makers prevalent in this cycle. Satin nickle finish, chrome
lugs, painted spearpoint highlights. Original and complete.
46 Wilier la Triestina. Professional team bike of famous Magni, Cottur,
Bevilacqua team. Copper plated classic, original and complete
68 Masi GC. First year for this classic. Masi drilled components and custom
Bellini/Masi saddle. restored over three years. Champagne/yellow.
73 Masi GC. Team red of the first Carlsbad batch. Breaking Away. original and
1980 Jim Merz. Custom built for Vegas show with first issue Shimano AX group.
Aero cable routing, bb/chainstay mounted rear brake. Ferrari red.
84 Dave Grylls 3Rensho Pursuit bike. Stuning aero design in classic 3Rensho
purple. Classic Yoshi Konno design.
58 Rene Herse Pista. Work in progress.
68 Cinelli SC,bivalent, first Campy brakes, rear der.
1936 Hetchins with mostly original componants, 7th oldest cycle on the
Hetchins Registry at the VCC.
1938 Hetchins Anglo Continental, restored ( will be at Larz if completed in
time)Second oldest surviving Anglo of five known to survive, with original sales
slips from Hetchins.
1939 Hetchins Trio, one of only two surviving, unrestored with all original
1946 Hetchins Super Special, restored with gorgious correct 1940s group. One
of only about twenty surviving. Pre-curser the the Nulle Secundus.
1950/51 Hetchins Experto Crede. One owner cycle in original unrestored
condition, with all origial group.
1955 Hetchins Magnum Opus Phase II, restored by prior owner, with 1980 Campy
Super Record.
1956 Hetchins Expert Crede track bike. Might be unrestored.
1962 Hetchins Experto Crede track bike, restored by Bob Jackson. Gorgious.
1962 Experto Crede with Vibrant Stays. From Bicycle Classics
1967 Hetchins Hellenic straight stay. (may be ready to show).
2000 Hetchins Millenium. If ready to show. Will be ready for Cirque.
1966 Schwinn Paramount. Full chrome. Will be for sale after showing.
1983 Mercian Vincetore with Gold Galli group. Will be for sale after showing.
1984 Ciocc Designer with full Campag pantographed group. Will be for sale
after showing.
1950 Frddie Grubb All Rounder
1973 Cinelli Track Bike
1978 Teledyne Titanium. Spotless
1975 Gitane Tour de France
Early 1960s Masi Special
1973 Masi Gran Criterium
1973 California Masi
1950s Atala
1976 Medici Pro Strada
1970s Cas Vitus Pro Team
1980 Vitus Carbon
1973 Raleigh Record Ace
1936 German Six Day track bike by Schumacher
1980s Roberts
Two French town bikes
2001 Rivendell
1946 Hobbs Barbicon, restored
30 th Anniversary Richard Sachs
1971 Masi Gran Criterium
1939 Hetchins Brilliant
1930s Durkoff Six Day
1951 Raleigh Clubman with S/A 4Spd
2001 Rivendell Custom by Curt Goodrich
1952 Claude Butler Jubilee
1977 Roberts Road Bike
1970s Pugeot PX10
1937 Raleigh Tourist, won First Place at Cirque last year.
1940 Drysdale Special track bike
1974 Raleigh Professional (restored by Brian Baylis)
1976 Raleigh Competition Superbe
1917 Harley Davidson
1934 Schwinn Arrowcycle
1936 Elgin Skylark
1960 Bowden Spaceliner/ unrestored
1937 Dayton Huffman/ Firestone Fleetwood with full twinflex suspension
1955 Huffman Radio Bike
1951 Schwinn Black Phantom
1951 Schwinn Black Phantom with 1947 Whizzer Kit
1950 Schwinn Black Panther
1952 Schwinn Black Phantom
1897 Ladies Sterling
1915 Mens Columbia
1896 Mens Tall Frame Defiant
1926 Ladies Hibbard
1910 Mebs Red Indian
1920s Colson Fairy
1890s Eagle Highwheel
1890s Eagle Highwheel
1890s New Mail High Wheel
and a few assorted safeties and Ivor Johsons may accompany this Highwheel Collection.

AGE / VALUE:   Alder Bicycle posted by: john on 4/21/2003 at 9:41:46 PM
I have a german Alder Bicycle prewar erra does anyone having any info on these bikes.Thanks john

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Alder Bicycle posted by Marcelo Afornali on 4/21/2003 at 11:56:37 PM

What he needs on its Adler Werke... I can help you to discover what it needs...
It visits my page, www.bicicletasantigas.com.br that it has two Adler Werke in exposition in the gallery... Who knows I can help it...

A great one I hug...

Marcelo Afornali...

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bite the bullet posted by: Oscar on 4/21/2003 at 6:03:49 PM
My Robin Hood has a peaked front fender with a chrome “bullet” on the top of the peak. It appears to be clipped on and now is loose. It rattles like heck when I ride. What is a good way of securing the bullet so that it will not rattle. I was imagining a bead of silicone glue around the bullet. It there another method? Thanks.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rockets,bullets, aerodynamic shapes found in bicycle also posted by Chris on 4/21/2003 at 8:49:43 PM
On older Raleigh bicycles, even the vintage bicycles there was a stamped metal do hickey type ornament at the front of the bicycles front mudguard or fender.
It resembles a bullet with a thin trail of metal behind it. The folks today referr to it as a "bullet".
What the Raleigh people back in (lets say the 1950's) called this I don't know. Perhaps a bullet?
The older bicycles had these and they were better finished and some cycles had small decals behind it.
This was a long running feature that gave away the fact that it was a Raleigh produced bicycle. It's a unique little decorative thing that folks are fond of.
It was never pointy and was never something that was prone to breaking off. It protected the front of the mudguard from slight damage or scratches. It gleamed,looked cool. To have a curved mudguard with Raleigh's "safety rolled edges" come to a closure at the front and it not have this crowning cap to close it together from getting caught and becoming a problem was unthinkable.
Every great now and then we hear that it rattles. I have heard of folks looking for this part as well, every so often. This was a cheap and effective feature that set the Raleigh's apart.
Modern cycles have no such decorations on them and many are sent out the door without fenders or mudguards at all. A fact soon spotted by obvservant parents the minute you arrive home after having ridden in the rain.
I have pulled bicycles out from decades of slumber and this little part has rust on it as well sometimes. The gold and red pinstriping fades and rubs off with these.
To go back in time and visit the cycle shop and see these with their lovely box lining (pinstriping) shine like new would be a real treat.
We do not generally experience these bicycles the same way as folks did when they were new. Raleigh and others as well, lined everything in gold, red, black, green shades, and other colors.
The lining made the cycles beautiful. It was brilliant.
The thrill of unwrapping new mudguards with new box lining!
The 28 inch wheel rod brake roadster cycles rarely had this feature as the shape of the mudguard is different. This is a feature reserved for 24, and 26 inch wheel machines. You'll also see bullets used as decoration on custom motorcycles being produced today. They guys think it's a cool touch and perhaps they're right. Myself,I think it's grotesque and not a thing I care to be seeing. Most men love it. It's a styling and important aerodynamic related feature that you'll see a lot of in the cars of the 40's 50's, 60's and beyond. Rockets, bullet shapes.
I'll bet you'll run across other bicycle makers with bullet shape styling to be seen on them as well. Old sidecars were made to resemble rockets/bullets. These are rarely seen and are expensive.
The British bicycles shed their gentel and stately appearence just a bit by having this particular piece of decoration added. Marketing probably loved this, it was a thing that made the folks think the bike was cool because it had this.
You won't see this on a vintage Sunbeam bicycle. There was a different attitude! Pick up a current magazine showing vintage motorcycle ads. Look for signs of bullet styling in the old Nortons, Matchless, Rudge, and others.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rockets,bullets, aerodynamic shapes found in bicycle also posted by Chris on 4/21/2003 at 9:10:23 PM
Jaguar has their famed leaping cat that adorns the front of their cars.
With a vintage british bicycle their could have been any number of neat front decorative things like that.
The "bullet" that Raleigh chose was inexpensive to make and probably also used up the small pieces of metal that was shed from other machine operations. Metal that would have had to go to the scrap bin. This was it was used up.
Bottom line,it was a cheap effective solution. This is why it ran for so long.
The older Raleigh safety seven cars had their heron logo but that would have been more expensive to make. It would have been pointy and prone to breakage on a bicycle too.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rockets,bullets, aerodynamic shapes found in bicycle also posted by P.C. Kohler on 4/21/2003 at 10:06:13 PM
According to the hardcover Raleigh Industries dealers book (1955), this was described as "The Streamlined Spearpoint front mudguard with attractive chromium plated motif fitted to all 26-in. Wheel Models with steel mudguards (also 24-in. Wheel Juniors)".

This was first introduced in 1939 on all cable-braked 26" wheel machines with steel mudguards. At the same time, the old style box lining on mudguards (with a separate "box" on either side of the stay bridge mounting) gave way to the continual lining. In 1947-48, the spearpoint mudguards became standard on all 26" wheel machines including rod-braked ones. Only the 28" wheel DL-1 style models kept the old "deep section" guards. Speaking of guards, Raleigh, Rudge and others also offered very deep curved "valanced" mudguards with flat side panels on their "all weather" roadsters which were rather like old motorcycle guards. Just the ticket if you cycled in Manchester.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rockets,bullets, aerodynamic shapes found in bicycle also posted by Brian on 4/21/2003 at 10:56:53 PM
Chris - Your posts are usually the most entertaining, and downright charming on this list. I think it's your refreshing enthusiasm & earnestness that make your comments so meaningful. Only you could describe pulling bikes out of decades of "slumber". Keep on posting!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rockets,bullets, aerodynamic shapes found in bicycle also posted by Chris on 4/21/2003 at 11:54:35 PM
This streamlined spearpoint motif as Raleigh described it was not found on replacement mudguards of this period. I have Thomas Wasdell and Son brand mudguards and they are very close copies but there is no bullet or cap of any kind.

This was a thing distinctive to Raleigh made mudguards. I'm sure others copied this but it was later on. Thanks Brian and P.C. impresses me as always.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rockets,bullets, aerodynamic shapes found in bicycle also posted by P.C. Kohler on 4/22/2003 at 1:02:06 AM
Humber had steel spearpoint mudguards before the War but sans "bullet", BSA did not. It appears that Raleigh were possibly unique in having the famous celluloid mudguards with the sprearpoint extension on which the later steel ones were copied. I might suggest the bullet was a safety feature as the "spearpoint" in steel was well, potentially, just that and could catch clothing etc. But it was more an effort to impart some of the "club bike" dare and dash to the more stolid roadster range. But wider, deeper and more rounded mudguards like on the DL-1 keep more of the muck and mire off you and your machine.

As early as 1950 Hercules had copied the design.

Spearpoint mudguards with little chrome bullets are not trivial details, I would suggest, but part of the overall aesthetic whole that simply distinguished British cycles of the Golden Era from all others.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rockets,bullets, aerodynamic shapes found in bicycle also posted by Edward in Vancouver on 4/22/2003 at 2:04:59 AM
To answer the man's posting, I suggest wedgeing/stuffing a matchstick or wood splinter inbetween the bullet and the fender. Silicone is messy and has to be trimmed afterwards

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bite the bullet posted by Marko on 4/22/2003 at 11:34:16 AM
Mike, I carefully squeezed a little rubber under mine(actually I removed it first), and then simply put it back on tightly. I've never had a problem since.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bite the bullet posted by Matthew on 4/22/2003 at 8:10:08 PM
I have removed and refitted the spearpoint. By GENTLY bending and tapping it can be refitted rattle free no silicon no innertube no worries.
The spearpoint is fairly malleable, its All-Steel of course!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Be careful with the bullet posted by Chris on 4/22/2003 at 9:51:02 PM
Be careful in removing and reinstalling this piece as the little tab that holds it in and on will break off from metal fatique with too much moving about and then you'll have to glue it.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bite the bullet posted by dafydd on 4/21/2003 at 6:11:50 PM
That's what I did. It works and doesn't show. A friend of mine slid a piece of inner tube underneath.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dating Bicycle posted by: Steve on 4/21/2003 at 5:44:23 PM
I have a 50's-70's era raliegh. It has no speeds and has been referred to here in ireland as a High Nellie or a Black Maggie. Loads of chrome, no cables all linkages. Not a sticker in sight, maybe under 100 layers of black paint. I havent found a serial number yet but I'll keep looking...
Any possible information or links?
Thanks a million

AGE / VALUE:   Phillips Fred Delley posted by: John on 4/21/2003 at 4:50:45 AM
Trying to find out any info on this bike?Can someone help me with dates the serial #M45157
7 0
Thanks john

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Phillips Fred Delley posted by Chris on 4/21/2003 at 8:57:25 PM
The name Fred Delley is on the bike? In decals done by the factory?
Please describe this bicycle better for us. What size wheels, color, cable or rod brake? equipment on it?
Probably a racer with some notoriety who sold his name for use on this line of Phillips bikes.
Never heard of him, but that makes it all the more neat.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Phillips Fred Delley posted by john on 4/21/2003 at 9:40:32 PM
Fred Delley is the largest importer of Harley Davidson Motorcycles in Canada in 1917 he started as a bicycle store in Vancouver bc and then moved onto motorbikes in during the war.The bike is made by phillips for Fred Delley with a front rod brake and rear coaster.English 28 inch wheels with a Mesinger saddle dated 18-1927.Very cool looking bike.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Phillips Fred Delley posted by Edward in Vancouver on 4/22/2003 at 2:16:20 AM
Correction, the family name is Deeley. One brother, Fred, had the original cycle business, the other brother, Trev, started, and currently runs the largest Harley business in the Vancouver area. Fred Deeley also imported cheap Japanese 10 spds in the 70's which were badged "Deelite", but I think the bicyle side of things fizzled out in the late '70's. I still have some N.O.S. double lugged front brake cables for Raleigh brakes made for Deeley, local make I think. Anyone who wants one, give me a shout.

AGE / VALUE:   a great day to blow the dust off the dl1... posted by: dash on 4/21/2003 at 12:41:36 AM
I live along the Perkiomen Trail in Collegeville, PA...an awesome dl1 trail, semi-fine , hard-packed stone, just lovely, former trolley line? Beautiful scenery....some crumbling stone buildings, pristine waterways, greenery...the smells...the photo opps...So much love and care has gone into this trail, it is a treasure, and I am very lucky to live where I do. If anyone else is out there near me, go, go! I was blasting along in 3rd for some pieces, at other times feeling every ounce of her birmingham steel, but keeping pace nicely with Mr. Neon and Ms. Spandex, in my sunday clothes (thanks chaincase!)...and the dynohub churning out an effortless swath of lighting. I think I will echo Chris's call for leather saddlebags. I have one of those ebay Brooks posters, framed, in my hallway:
The dandy in the picture has the thickest, richest, probably most aromatic saddlebag...that will be my holy grail. My old Rampar bag is suffering! And the trail this fellow is on looks like my trail! Anyway, great ride, with a great bike.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   a great day to blow the dust off the dl1... posted by dash on 4/21/2003 at 2:31:36 AM
Just to clarify, Ride Awheel on Sheffield Steel, of course!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lucas head amp posted by: Marcelo Afornali on 4/20/2003 at 6:08:15 PM
Friends: I ask for information on a Lucas Lighthouse that arrived my hands these days... He was passed me that its model is P10 Silver King 1951... It is great, with diameter of 13,5cm and weighs more or less 1 kilograma... Is a lighthouse of great ratio, if compared with the common Lucas... I request of somebody for gentility, some catalogue for confirmation of these data... The lighthouse has two light bulbs, one of light low and another one for high light that is connected to an aluminum part in the interior of the lighthouse... In its inferior part, it meets key of two periods of training for the exchange of light and in the posterior part, a regulator of height for the lighthouse... It is really a spectacular part and that I need the your aid to really confirm if it is a lighthouse for bicycles of this famous mark... Without more, I thank to all the exhausted attention and I ask for that if possible, they send emails for my address with some catalogue that can help me... If to need, I have photos of this for one better visualization of the part...

Very obliged...

Marcelo Eduardo Afornali...


PS: They pardon my English, which I know that with the aid of the translator who use, is of worse the possible ones...

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lucas head amp posted by David on 4/21/2003 at 3:25:46 AM
This must be a motorcycle headlamp; it's much too big for a bicycle.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lucas head Lamp posted by Marcelo Afornali on 4/21/2003 at 4:29:25 PM

Already vi previously, lighthouses for bicycles of demasiadamente great size... He is not the first one... As I spoke in its description, it it contains support for bicycles that if incases to the set of the box of direction, key of two lights below of the hoof, its interior has rabbet for battery among others things... What recently I was passed, is that this would be a model top of line P10 Silver King of the year of 1951, that xelings cost 75 at the time and that would be the double of the price of a common Lucas... In case that somebody can help me, I wait... In case that it wants to receive photos from the Lighthouse to see as it is, he orders email for my post office box directly requesting that I send soon after that...

A great one I hug...

Marcelo Afornali...

WANTED:   raleigh 28 inch tires and frame PUMP posted by: rd on 4/20/2003 at 2:07:47 PM

   RE:WANTED:   raleigh 28 inch tires and frame PUMP posted by Jorge on 4/21/2003 at 5:31:18 AM
For non Taiwan brand 28's (35-635), try St. John St Cycles, http://www.sjscycles.com/ , they carry the Michelin World Tour.
Nokian Sydney Tour, http://www.nokiantyres.fi/bike/ comes in nice gray like the first safeties, or black, this one has to be special ordered through distributor, give me a call, not cheap.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   raleigh 28 inch tires and frame PUMP posted by rd on 4/21/2003 at 11:24:31 AM
What tire is better quality the michelin or the nokian? Thanks for the info,

   RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   raleigh 28 inch tires and frame PUMP posted by Jorge on 4/21/2003 at 12:47:36 PM
Cant get any better!!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:WANTED:   raleigh 28 inch tires and frame PUMP posted by Jorge on 4/21/2003 at 12:51:13 PM
The Nokian is High Performance, neat looking tread,
for a 28" tire, check it out their www page.

WANTED:   lucas bell and miller dynamo light posted by: Jon on 4/20/2003 at 7:21:25 AM
Hello!I am restoring my 2 raleigh sports bicycle and need some oringinal parts.If anyone of oyu have lucas twin dome revolving bell or miller dynamo lighting set to sell please email me.Please show me pics of your item.Thank you!




   RE:RE:WANTED:   lucas bell and miller dynamo light posted by Edward in Vancouver on 4/22/2003 at 2:23:45 AM
Wah! so many from S'pore,is it? Is there still the "Kopi tiam" ride around Changi airport service road Saturday mornings? Any "Ah peh" bike shops left around the Upper Serangoon Rd. area?

   RE:WANTED:   lucas bell and miller dynamo light posted by David on 4/21/2003 at 4:16:20 AM
Hi Jonathan,
I am also interested in rebuilding a 1954 Raleigh Sport. Maybe we can connect and share experience & etc....
I am also in Singapore. (Cellphone: 96710207)

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL1 with locking fork posted by: Tom on 4/20/2003 at 5:55:45 AM
There is a 1950 Raleigh DL1 on ebay with the very rare locking fork. The bike looks good. Not my auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=420&item=2171101956&rd=1

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL1 with locking fork posted by Larry Bone on 4/20/2003 at 12:28:28 PM
I dunno if it looks "good". Seems a wee might rough... but then, they all look good anyhow... I guess it would be worth the effort... What do yo suppose would be a fair price for this machine? I would love to have a DL1 and would not mind this one for a reasonable price...



AGE / VALUE:   Huffy posted by: sam on 4/19/2003 at 11:45:19 PM
did huffy build or sell bikes in england?We have all seen those huffy clubman bikes sold in USA but built by raleigh, did the river flow both ways?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Huffy posted by David on 4/20/2003 at 12:03:31 PM
As a kid, I lived in Dayton from 1959 to 1962. Everyone's dad seemed to work at NCR or at Huffman Mfg Co and rode Huffy bikes; from the company store, I assume. I had a hand-me-down Schwinn Corvette and had recently had my first experience with English "racers," as we then called the Sports models. I clearly remember disdaining the bikes of my little pals, with their one- or two-speed hubs and coaster brakes. It's hard to imagine the English paying for inferior American bikes with transport fees and crushing duties added to their basic cost.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Huffy posted by sam on 4/20/2003 at 5:24:37 PM
You make good points on that David,And it's hard to believe that huffy would buy in to the English market then turn around and import Raleighs if they had there own plant in england.So who built the Dayton bikes sold in England? Are these Daytons(the english ones) not from Huffman as the american Daytons are?---sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Huffy posted by Catfood Rob on 4/21/2003 at 10:23:03 PM
Huffy never mported ( exported) to the U.K.
They have started selling bmx Huffys over the last few years, but before that no. Schwinn ddnt either.Again, speciality shops are stocking modern Schwinns, but only in the last few years.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Huffy posted by Chris on 4/23/2003 at 12:37:24 AM
Years ago, these companies had more than sales offices and wharehouses. They had large, brick factory buildings scattered about in different countries . I look up an address and go see what it there today and it's all long gone, or if the original building is still there, it's been altered and horribly maimed with ugly now closed small stores that it is unrecognizable.
Everything was on a larger more sprawling scale. Later on, it was just one address and that was a sales office and a wharehouse or two.
Now it comes direct from a foreign maker and the trend is away from wharehousing.
Back in the day it all was so sprawling and important and marvelous that even Huffy back then would knock your socks off.

AGE / VALUE:   Euro Roadsters posted by: JU on 4/19/2003 at 8:36:58 PM
Getting bored, check this site, some nice German and European roadsters in its gallery


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Euro Roadsters posted by Marcelo Afornali on 4/20/2003 at 6:07:22 PM

Very obliged for the indication... I am looking for to place bicycles of diverse nationalities, not only German, sweden bicycles and English, but I look for to make an interchange of ideas and knowledge so that all obtain to restore and to complete its bicycles... I believe that the best form to arrive at this point, is the exchange of information... Who knows so soon in a future, can make interchange of parts and catalogues to be able to develop a culture properly said of our bicycles... A great one I hug to the friend and greetings of this Brazilian...

Marcelo Afornali...


PS: They pardon my English, who is of worse the possible ones...

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Euro Roadsters posted by paul on 4/21/2003 at 1:05:00 AM
Marcelo: I welcome you and your ideas to this website. There is a wealth of information to be shared between roadster enthusiasts of all nations and manufactories. This is a most healthy hobby both emotionally and physically and I think most readers will agree! paul

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Euro Roadsters posted by Marcelo Afornali on 4/21/2003 at 2:12:42 AM
Paul, my friend:

I thank to its congratulations of heart and I wait that we let us create an exchange of information so that let us can in helping them to keep this beautiful vehicles... Its visit in my page would leave me very contents... I wait that you it visits it and it keeps contact with me for email, therefore as I spoke, the main idea is to change information and to keep our romantic vehicles in full funcionamente... Www.bicicletasantigas.com.br visits my page that I will be waiting to that if to make use for such...

My sincere gratefulness and one more time, pardon for my English, therefore I use myself of translator and nor always they function well...

A great one I hug the enthusiastic friends and...

Marcelo Eduardo Afornali...

Curitiba - Paraná - Brazil

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Euro Roadsters posted by Jorge Ullfig on 4/21/2003 at 4:46:16 AM
I'm very, very impressed, exquisitely restored and preserved models from Sweden and Germany and the rest of Europa, how refreshing to see machines of this caliber.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Euro Roadsters posted by Jorge on 4/21/2003 at 4:55:52 AM
Eu sou modelos muito, muito impressos, exquisitely restaurados e preservados de Suécia e Alemanha e o descanso de Europa, como refrescando para ver máquinas deste caliber, consideração, Jorge

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Euro Roadsters posted by Jorge on 4/21/2003 at 5:12:25 AM
Correção: "outros de Europa"

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Euro Roadsters posted by Marcelo Afornali on 4/21/2003 at 4:22:06 PM

He really has very quaint models, but by the way, very pretty also... He is alone you to look at two bicycles that are in the gallery in exposition, SWEDEN KROON VANSBROO OF SUSPENSION 1948 and the GERMAN BRANDENBURG 1936 with in the nazi swástik front emblem to confirm that they are same really chermosas...

I am a very contend with its visit and in case that he needs something, it will be always a pleasure to help...

A great one I hug...


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   23" BSA on Ebay posted by: David on 4/19/2003 at 11:26:09 AM
NMA: not all that old, wrong pedals, missing chaincase piece; otherwise, pretty good.