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Archived: English Roadsters

AGE / VALUE:+AKAAoACg-Get this book! posted by: Chris on 5/11/2003 at 8:19:28 PM
Go to a used book dealer. look for and buy this book.
Glen's Complete bicycle manuel. the 1973 version.

Great wonderous balls of fire! EVERYTHING is in this book!

Every hub, Schwinn, Sturmey-Archer all of it!
Have a rare or used book dealer look and contact other book dealers they know. Find it!
There are other books, old books used books that offer SO MUCH INFORMNATION that we thirst for.
Best advice I can give here is: Go get yourself a stash of old bicycle repair books.
I learned stuff first hand and then I discovered these books purely by stopping in to see what they had.

This last book, the Glenns book was 50 cents.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:+AKAAoACg-Get this book! posted by J. M. Vernooy on 5/12/2003 at 12:25:27 AM
Quite a few copies are available at amazon.com
There are probably many sources because it was very popular when new.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:+AKAAoACg-Get this book! posted by J. M. Vernooy on 5/12/2003 at 12:49:02 AM
Just noticed that the edition number isn't shown in descriptions on that amazon.com page.I don't know what differences, if any, exist in later editions. The edition that I bought was the 1973 edition too.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:+AKAAoACg-Get this book! posted by Lenny on 5/12/2003 at 4:32:09 PM
Hello J.M. and Chris,

These are probably the best bicycle repair books ever published. Both editions are invaluable resources. From what I recall, the newer edition ('86, I think?) doesn't have the detailed instructions for disassembling and reassembling freewheel bodies. Regards, Lenny

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:+AKAAoACg-Get this book! posted by Chris on 5/12/2003 at 11:56:59 PM
I learned it all first hand. Thru trial and error and from friends. The books I found later on and as I think back it is amazing all the stuff I have picked up. The books are way better than trial and error because you don't mess stuff up along the way as much.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:+AKAAoACg-Get this book! posted by David on 5/13/2003 at 10:39:58 AM
EVERY hub is an overstatement, but it IS pretty good. AW with and without coaster brake, several coaster brake hubs, Shimano 3-speed, Bendix 2-speeds, etc. are all covered. It's very useful for ballooners, etc, since it deigns to treat non-derailleur bikes of all types as worthy of service. Although the paper picks up dirty grease very easily, it also takes marginal notes very well - there's a lot of detail that you need to add to it; bearing sizes, etc.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Get this book! posted by Chris on 5/13/2003 at 7:14:21 PM
Where else are you gonna see the Krate atom front brake hub explained?

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Late '60/early '70 Falcon San Remo posted by: Michael Miguel on 5/10/2003 at 10:24:37 PM
I have a complete late 1960/early 1970 Falcon San Remo. This bike has minor rust (rust you would expect from 30 years of bike life) paint is not chipping at all, but fading. All Campy components. Can someone help direct me to who might be interested in this bike, or maybe where to go to find out how much it is worth? Also, I have an IDENTICAL frame & component package, with different wheelset, seat, and handlebars in similar condition.

AGE / VALUE:   Hercules On Ebay posted by: Ed on 5/10/2003 at 1:55:36 PM
Neat old Hercules on Ebay,Item # 2173677468. I own one exactly like it. I date mine to 1968 based on the three speed hub.
No relation to seller etc.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Hercules On Ebay posted by J. M. Vernooy on 5/10/2003 at 6:42:09 PM
That one has been relisted at least a few times.

I'm breaking my self imposed rule not to post here anything relative to auctions in progress. Just a quirk of mine, I guess. Not an opinion of what others should do.

Hercules bicycles have two or three levels of perceived value. The AMF Hercules bicycles seem to be as good as any of the post Raleigh ones. But the non AMF Hercules bicycles seem to have more perceived value. My favorite Hercules is one that was imported for Montgomery Ward in 1960. That's probably just as bad to anyone who owns even one Hercules bicycle that is purely Hercules without any non British markings. I admit, that AMF Hercules has tempted me more than once. But then the thought hits me that I have only limited room and funds for bicycles. What if a Hercules in excellent condition, without a Hawthorne of AMF mark, pre Raleigh too, comes along and I'm out of money and/or out of room? Maybe I just hold a grudge for AMF putting those foil tapes around the seat tube. But even so, it's a better buy than most new bicycles on the market. Just recently I bought a gents 1962 Hercules that someone had repainted, but it was only half that price.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Hercules On Ebay posted by Chris on 5/11/2003 at 8:27:56 PM
I love all Hercules bikes but the older stuff is nicer.
The decals, the hubs, the colors, the metal oilers on the front and rear hubs, the bottombrackets with oiler fittings. The whole look of the bikes. Also the further back in time you go with Hercules, the better they are.
The e- bay bike is a great around town bike.

MISC:   BOTTOM BRACKET AXLES posted by: Ian on 5/10/2003 at 9:39:15 AM
Hi, can anybody point me to a chart that lists dimensions of crank axles and more importantly the dimensions of the bottom brackets that they fit. I have a number of new axles stamped with numbers such as "A6", "T2" etc but I have no idea how to check which bottom brackets they fit. I know that there are differences in the distances between the bearing faces on the axles and also differences in how far out from the bearings the flat for the cotter pin is on each side. I have several bare frames and would love to be able to select the correct axle without using trial and many errors method. Thanks, Ian.

   RE:MISC:   BOTTOM BRACKET AXLES posted by M.R. on 5/10/2003 at 10:27:33 PM
It's "spindle". An axle has something spinning around IT, like a wheel. A spindle spins inside something, like a bottom bracket.

   RE:RE:MISC:   BOTTOM BRACKET AXLES posted by Ian on 5/11/2003 at 9:32:34 AM
It might be a spindle in your part of the world but in my part of the world it has always been the "bottom bracket axle". In car parlance (certainly on old rear wheel drive cars at least) a spindle was the part of the front stub axle that the front wheel hub spun around on and an axle was the part with a flange on the end that drove the rear wheel. Whatever the semantics hopefully someone will actually answer the question!

   RE:MISC:   BOTTOM BRACKET AXLES posted by Chris on 5/11/2003 at 8:04:02 PM
This is another subject that fell between the cracks also. It was never nailed down and posted someplace on the net. And gee, bottom bracket spindle (axles as it's called too) are fairly important.
I do know that# 08 GCP are for the 28 inch wheel, rod brake Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. and the ladies version, the D.L.1.L.
There are other sizes of spindles that I don't know at moment what goes to what. I forget, believe it or not. The Raleigh Chopper takes another and the Sports and Superbes are another size too. Phillips and other bikes use other spindles and then there was T.D.C. and others too.
Raleigh's own catalog spindle chart gives(gave) valuable information but it does not tell what model # spindle goes to what bike.
Perhaps one day we'll figure these out.

Pull the old ones out of the bikes and write down what it says on the spindle and write down that that # goes with whatever is written on the bike it came from like Sports or Superbes or whatever.
In the mean time, pick up every spindle new and old as you can because this is a hens teeth item that has driven folks mad as they walk a bike to a area machinist.
Pedal spindles and bottombracket spindles are on the list of must hoard items until we have it figured out and plans are made to come up with more.

   RE:RE:MISC:   BOTTOM BRACKET AXLES posted by Chris on 5/11/2003 at 8:06:48 PM
See SheldonBrown.com as he has written about converting old Raleigh's to cotterless bottombracket axles.
Slowly and surely it's all being pieced together.

AGE / VALUE:   Eaton's Glider posted by: Rachelle on 5/9/2003 at 6:18:11 PM
I need help dating my bike,Glider, Eaton TruLine the sturmey archer hub reads SA and the frame reads 870663, picture available.
Dorcy 6 volt headlight, pedals made in Germany bearing Raleigh logo, gear shifter made in France by Huret. Purchased at a garage sale in Winnipeg.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Eaton's Glider posted by Warren on 5/9/2003 at 9:49:19 PM
Sounds like my first 10 speed bought back in 70 or 71. Mine was blue with black trim, steel cranks and rims, weinman centrepulls...pretty standard fair. They came in a 5 speed model as well...yours maybe? Usually British racing green or is it Polychromatic green?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Eaton's Glider posted by Rachelle on 5/10/2003 at 1:56:59 AM
It's a chocolate maroon, I think it's a three speed.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Eaton's Glider posted by Warren on 5/10/2003 at 5:47:12 PM
Do the gears shift with a derailleur over "X" number of cogs or do the gears shift by pulling a small chain that enters the hub?

IN the first instance, the number of cogs determine the number of speeds...in the second case you likely have a Sturmey Archer three speed internal hub with the wrong shifter.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Eaton's Glider posted by Rachelle on 5/11/2003 at 12:32:39 AM
Honestly, I cannot tell...
However I have good quality up close pics of the bike, if someone could take a look, email me.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Adjusting the 3 Speed Raleigh posted by: Norm Hart on 5/9/2003 at 3:58:34 PM
I have restored a 1974 Raleigh Roadster 3 Speed and I now need to adjust the shifter cable. 1st and 3rd gears work very well. When shifting from 1st gear to 2nd gear the pedals "freewheel" as if they were in a neutral gear. When shifting from 3rd to 2nd, the pedals work for about 5 to 8 pushes and the "freewheel".

I'm wondering if the original owner just rode in 2nd gear all the time and has worn out the gear, or has the cable stretch so much over time that it doesn't catch 2nd gear, or have I not adjusted the cable properly?

I've been using Glen's book, but it doesn't say much about adjusting the cable.

Can anyone out there help me? Yours truly, Norm Hart

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Adjusting the 3 Speed Raleigh posted by Dick on 5/9/2003 at 4:53:51 PM
Yep ... your cable is probably stretched a bit. Use two pairs of pliers to loosen the lock nut while restraining the knurled ferrule. Shift to high and tighten up the joint a turn or so and retighten the lock nut and check adjustment. When correctly adjusted, the cable should just be going slack with the shift selector in high gear. A good check on adjustment is that a false neutral such as you described should normally appear between the detents as you carefully pull the trigger from high toward second. When you reach the detent for second, all will be well. BTW: Those cable-adjusting procedures that depend on the view of the indicator chain through the "window" in the nut ..... are not reliable. In fact, from an engineering point-of-view they are "derivative"; i.e., watered down into bite-size chunks for the typical owner.

Good luck!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Make and age posted by: Luis Danese on 5/8/2003 at 10:44:52 PM

dear friends:

I am a collector of Argentina,and President of the "Classic Bicycle Association",the first one of its type in our country.
I have an english bike,ladie's frame number 9.8416,wheels size 26 x 1 1/2". The frame is similar as Raleigh,Phillips,Golden Sumbeam,etc. The handlebar says "made in England",but not says Phillips.The saddle is Wright,the bottom bracket TDC,the axle Walton & Brown.Crancks "Utility",and the chaing-guard is not with oil-bath.
Do you know the make and year of this bicycle? The machine is in original condition.

THANKS¡¡¡¡¡ and best regards


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Meteor? posted by: K on 5/8/2003 at 1:41:29 PM
Recently I found a English bike called a "Meteor", ladies, "Made in England", Sturmey Archer gear, unknown year, looks somewhat like a Robin Hood. Can someone give me some background information on this wreck? Thank you.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Meteor? posted by David on 5/13/2003 at 10:45:19 AM
Check out Sheldon...
The info there sums up pretty much what anyone knows about these.

AGE / VALUE:   AG Dynohub dated 57 posted by: Ricky on 5/8/2003 at 2:52:14 AM
Shameless self-promotion, here! I am indeed affiliated with this item, and spreading the word amongst the greatest concentration of potential customers.
I removed this from a Defiant (Nottingham)as it was apparently the only piece that might have any value whatsoever. It will clean up quite well.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Ladies Rudge with Dynohub. posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/8/2003 at 2:18:12 AM




AGE / VALUE:   The Hercules that almost got away posted by: Chris on 5/8/2003 at 12:43:41 AM
Went past the rummage sale and didn't see anything of interest.
Later on I was asked "Did you see the Hercules?"
"What Hercules?" "The ladies Hercules bike." We went back there and sure enough, there it was! I jumped out and grabbed it.
$20.00 sticker on seat. 32 seconds later I'm wheeling it out all grinning. Yes, I love these bikes!
Original Hercules from 1962 Sturmey- Archer hub instead of a Hercules hub but it has the 1/8 size bearings and the Hercules crown on the down tube. Blue,tatty fenders but glorious chrome handlebars.
Sticky white grips. These particular grips get sticky with age. No rear rack, no bell, no light kit. I forget what seat is on it.
Tires are flat. Another one!
I rarely see any three speeds anymore, not like this one.
Where it was when the dsale started I don't know and I could have missed it without somebody wonderful looking out for me.
Wide cool chainguard.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: The Hercules that almost got away posted by J. M. Vernooy on 5/8/2003 at 4:37:08 AM
Sounds like a nice find. Just wondering, the chainguard has a bit of a point at the front and top of it rather than following the curve of the chain like others? If so, glad to hear from someone who can appreciate one of the Hercules characteristics that set them apart. Was also wondering if those white grips on that Hercules are shaped like the black Dare grips used on later model Raleigh Sports and Superbes. Just curious when a Hercules of that vintage surfaces as my first bicycle was a 1960 gent's Hercules. If those are the grips that I'm guessing they are, it is very rare to find them in one piece from those years as they seemed to get softer and stickier as they aged.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   The Hercules that almost got away posted by Joe on 5/8/2003 at 2:27:19 PM
Are we talking about the AMC Hercules here? The ones Raleigh made for export to the states? I still find these once in a while. I have a 1971 model with the white grips and a 1964 model with the twist grip SA shifter, rear rack and generator light set. The '71 is in very good condition, the '64 is very poor condition but I have gotten it on the road and use it for errands-the poor bike looks like it should be thrown out so I don't have to worry about theft.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   The Hercules that almost got away posted by Chris on 5/8/2003 at 3:27:23 PM
This has a thick brass badge that says Birmingham on it. Original Hercules from Birmingham with the wide A.M.F. style chainguard but there is no mention of A.M.F. so this is before they did that I think. Right after this, Raleigh took over due to the merger with T.I.
Those white tiped mudguards, the whole bike is beautiful and it really, really pains me that these get thrown out.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   The Hercules that almost got away posted by sam on 5/9/2003 at 12:19:02 AM
From about 1949 tru the 50s Wards imported Hercules--them AMF started sometimes in the late 50s or early 60s.Seems all AMFs had 3 silver bands of tape on the down tube installed after they arrived in the US.The AMF plant was in Little Rock Ar.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   The Hercules that almost got away posted by Chris on 5/9/2003 at 5:31:54 PM
No silver tape type bands with raggedy edges that almost let you peel them off all together peel off. No silver bands at all.
I don't believe that Hercules ever had a deal with A.M.F. until Raleigh was in control.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A question of grips. posted by: John on 5/7/2003 at 9:10:07 PM
Can someone please tell me what are the correct original hand grips for a 1949 Raleigh Sports Tourist? I purchased the bike new early in 1950 but replaced the original grips long ago. I would like to replace the present incorrect grips with correct original ones. My 1952 Raliegh Sports Tourist still has its original grips, the grey/white torpedo type with RI in a circle. Thanks for your help.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: A question of grips. posted by P.C. Kohler on 5/7/2003 at 10:11:47 PM
John, same as your 1952 machine. IF I can get someone, anyone, to reply to my queries regarding remanufacturing these, we can get new ones. Alas, the sample I have doesn't have the RI. These pattern grips, in light grey, were standard on all Raleighs other than drop bar machines c.1947-1966 when the Dare style grips became standard.

P.C. Kohler

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dare to get a grip posted by: David Poston on 5/7/2003 at 7:25:30 PM
Can we pin down the date when the black, rubber "Dare" grips were first put on "Sports" type cycles? 1950's? 1960's? I am thinking about replacing my older Raleigh Sports with the "grey" (white) torpedo-type grips, because they look more "period."


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dare to get a grip posted by Chris on 5/9/2003 at 5:34:09 PM
Somewhere in the 1960's. Perhaps after 1962.
See Sheldon Brown's time line which is somewhere at his site.
Did he nail that down exactly? or is it still vague when exactly these appeared.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   NOS Phillips fenders on the Bay... posted by: Warren on 5/7/2003 at 12:21:22 PM

Perfect for a restoration!

AGE / VALUE:   history of SUN cycles posted by: sam on 5/6/2003 at 9:46:59 PM