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Archived: English Roadsters

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   English Drake posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/24/2003 at 2:51:44 AM

Nice bike!




ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Clubman on Ebay posted by: Brian Geoffrey on 5/23/2003 at 3:37:24 PM
This Clubman is headed up in price, but as I look really close - it appears the fork may have a slight bend inward.
Any other opinions? Has anyone ever seen one of these polychromatic paint jobs that stayed mostly intact? - everyone I've ever seen, with this paint, appears to be just as faded away. They are really lovely bikes though! Disregard previous post - I forgot the link here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3609306026&category=2904&rd=1

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Clubman on Ebay posted by: Brian Geoffrey on 5/23/2003 at 3:37:24 PM
This Clubman is headed up in price, but as I look really close - it appears the fork may have a slight bend inward.
Any other opinions? Has anyone ever seen one of these polychromatic paint jobs that stayed mostly intact? - everyone I've ever seen, with this paint, appears to be just as faded away. They are really lovely bikes though!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Clubman on Ebay posted by Mike on 5/23/2003 at 4:39:10 PM
It looks to me that the front wheel is turned slightly to the right, which would make the fork appear a bit bent. But... only the owner knows for sure.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sports posted by: Tom on 5/23/2003 at 4:36:07 AM
I was out for a ride today in the neighborhood and passed a house with an old bike in the driveway, upside down with no wheels on it. It looked interesting as it sat there. On my way back it was still there and an older man was sitting on the porch. I stopped by to see if he may need a hand with the bike. It turns out the man(77 years old) was changing tires on his Raleigh Sports bike. He had spent the last 2 days trying to find 26 x 1 1/4" tires for the original rust free Dunlop rims. He found a pair of new gum wall tires and had the bike shop put them on. When I got there he had just pulled them out of the car. I told him if the bike had been out a few days before I could have given him my NOS Michelin tires for it before he bought these ugly gumwalls( I didn't tell him they were ugly until he said so himself). The man is originally from Scotland and spent most of his prewar days on bicycles and motorbikes. He also rides a new Triumph motorcycle. The bicycle has been in storage for 10 years now but he wanted to start riding it again. The bike is a Raleigh Sports 1955 3 spd AW. The paint is an emerald green, transfers all there, the chainguard is not correct though. This one may have had a fully enclosed when new. He doesn't remember a fully enclosed on it. He bought it used in 1958 and it had no chainguard.I would guess the bike was originally sold at Eatons here in Canada when new. The bars are the drop racer style. Seat may be replaced has a sheepskin cover on it. The wheels are Dunlop 26 x 1 1/4". The mudguards are steel with Bluemell style double wire braces. The crank is a cottered style but not 5 pin.
The bike is in great shape, chrome is very nice no rust. I didn't get to see it put together because he wanted to talk about the British bikes he had over the years. Before WW11 he went on a holiday with his brother in Scotland. They went all over aScotland with everything tied to the back of the bikes just like you see in old books. He talked about the bikeshops in every town and how everyone rode bikes back then. I had a blast with him today and made a friend for life.
A while back there was a posting for 26 x 1 1/4" wheels and what bikes they were on . I now know of one bike that was sold new with them. Anyone else seen them on a bike.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Raleigh Sports posted by Warren on 5/23/2003 at 5:58:19 PM
The Bluemels, drop bars and EA1 wheels suggests that this bike was a variant of the typical Sports models and likely didn't have a chainguard in the first place. It's a club bike even without a 4 speed hub. I have a couple of bikes with those wheels...a 51 Hercules Falcon and a 53 CCM Club Special.

I have a 57 Sports frame that I'm going to make into a converted club bike. It should end up very similar to the one you've described. I just picked up the last few parts this month...NOS Bluemel Airweight alloy fenders, a Brooks B17 Champion narrow saddle and a 3 pin Williams c1000 crankset.It will be fixed instead of a 3 speed.

First I need to buy a spray paint gun...

BTW, Michelin also made some high quality dark gumwall tires in the EA1 size.They look similar to Continentals. Much nicer than the Pacific rim imports.

Tom, keep your eyes open for those late 70's Raleigh 5 speeds with the Huret gears...they were often grey in colour. I've found two of those bikes with EA1 wheels in 32/40 hole patterns...rims made by Sturmey Archer. I speculate that SA started to make them when Dunlop quit supplying bikes and then they didn't need them for anything. I think they just slipped them onto some of those 5 speeds to get rid of them. They are nice rims...I'd buy another pair of them.

I wonder how many of these bikes have ended up in landfills when proper fitting tires couldn't be found.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Raleigh Sports posted by Warren on 5/23/2003 at 8:33:01 PM
Here's the same bike from the 51 catalogue...


No chainguard but no Bluemels either. Interesting that you could get a fixed/free hub or the "gents model" would have an SA hub...oh those laid back gents!

AGE / VALUE:   2175963707 posted by: Chris on 5/23/2003 at 12:50:32 AM
E-bay item #2175963703 Very rare Triumph bicycle
Not my auction, no relation to seller

Very bent fork, that's for sure. Note the rear dyno hub with generator. is that a three speed or a four speed?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   2175963707 posted by David on 5/23/2003 at 10:43:37 AM
Can't tell if the hub has that extended fitting on the left of an FW. Apart from appearing to have non-original Bluemels-type fenders, there's not much unusual about it.

AGE / VALUE:   evaluation of 2 English bicycles posted by: hannelore moony on 5/22/2003 at 9:36:37 PM
my husband and i purchased approximately in 1973 2 black old fashioned looking bicycles, made in england. very sturdy. brand royal scott faintly noticeable. are you familiar with this brand? are these bicylces by any chance of value? if so, who would be interested in them.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1950 Clubman posted by: Frank in Boise on 5/21/2003 at 10:01:24 PM
I'm no expert, but this one looks very nice to me:


Definitely not my auction: I wouldn't sell this bike!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1950 Clubman posted by Mike on 5/21/2003 at 10:26:27 PM
Where can you get a small leather saddlebag for a basic tool/patch kit like this one has? Say, bigger than an eyeglasses case, but not by much. Nice bike.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1950 Clubman posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/22/2003 at 12:12:23 AM
Looking at that "bag", I daresay that it's what us "motorcyclists" refer to as a tool bag or a "Fork" bag. Check your local motorcycle shop (Not your big-name dealerships mind you). Also, some vendors at flea markets that carry "leathers". I bet you find one there. I never thought of it, but it's a great idea.



   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1950 Clubman posted by paul on 5/23/2003 at 2:11:25 AM
I have for sale a small leather bag (just the size you describe) that was originally used by the Swiss Military for whatever? It's like new (probably never used, surplus) I'd like money order $10 postage paid included in the continental US only. Thanks! paul

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1950 Clubman posted by TIM on 5/23/2003 at 2:06:33 PM
Try Cycles of Yesteryear. http://www.cyclesofyesteryear.com/images/spares/tb001.jpg


   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: 1950 Clubman posted by P.C. Kohler on 5/26/2003 at 2:27:29 AM
This fetched in excess of $400.00; a record methinks for an unrestored Clubman on eBay. But if you've ever had the pleasure of owning and riding one of these icons of classic British bikes, worth every penny! Sublime. A bargain for the new owner. Now I hope he takes this out on the road upon delivery and discovers the singular joys of riding a Clubman. Beats every cycle out there. Trust me.

P.C. Kohler

MISC:   Proper Trigger Technique posted by: Mike on 5/21/2003 at 8:53:49 PM
Looking at many bike photos over time, have noted that Roadster pilots have different preferences on their trigger shifter placement on the bars, ranging from horizontal to vertical, and all points in between. I have mine mounted at about a 30-degree angle up from the horizontal; and to shift, I tend to baby the shifter by using thumb with fingers to gently move/click the trigger into position (trying to make the original equipment last). The shape of the trigger, however, tells me that S/A didn't really have this method in mind when they designed it. Please help an isolated Raleigh rider avoid bad form. Is there "the correct way"?

   RE:MISC:   Proper Trigger Technique posted by David on 5/22/2003 at 12:46:40 AM
The older triggers are lettered so they can be read when the trigger is mounted below the bar, like a brake lever. I recall that's how they were mounted when I first saw them in the late 50s. My brother and the other cool older boys mounted them upside-down on the top of the bar. I think that the brake lever makes it difficult to use them when mounted below. Perhaps SA accepted the judgement of riders and changed the lettering and normal mounting.

MISC:   Info on hub posted by: Tom on 5/21/2003 at 3:58:23 PM
Would like some info on a rear fixed gear hub. The hub is stamped (hard to read) BAYLSSVILLEY made in England. An help?

   RE:MISC:   Info on hub posted by David on 5/22/2003 at 12:40:35 AM
Apparently "Bayliss Weily" acc to the Club bike auction mentioned above.

   RE:MISC:   Info on hub posted by Warren on 5/22/2003 at 1:15:02 PM
Typically nice, well made English hubs that were popular from the 30's right up thru the 60's. Comparable to Phillips, BH (British Hub) etc.They made bottom brackets and axles as well. What more is there to say? :·)

   RE:RE:MISC:   Info on hub posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 5/23/2003 at 12:47:59 AM
That's about all there is to be said. Or that's about all that is ever said these days. If you go on the web to Classics Rendezvous at the Cycles de Oro web page under Great Britain and if you sift down from there you'll see the componets section. This is mentioned there. Pick up all the Bayless Wiley stuff you can find. However re-selling this won't make you rich. It's just good to have on hands.
The Chater- Lea stuff and Campagnolo and the B.H. British Hub stuff is worth collecting because folks pay a lot to collect that. I wish to take my search into Bayless Wiley a lot further.
I want to see pictures of the factory site today. I want to hear from ex- employees. I want to know preciscely what happenbed to patterns, tooling, the collection of hubs the company had been making. Blueprints, and any souviners one could find. I want to talk to people in the neighborhood and generally learn all I can. Old books and catalogs. Anything.

I want to take pictures and re- create the whole place on the web. With every single publication they ever put out.
A whole web page just on Bayless Wiley.
I am very grateful for every effort done so far and thank you Warren for answering his question.
However, I really want to delve deeper and not just with Bayless Wiley but with all of this stuff.
Please forgive me, I guess I'm a special case it's just that the answers I get like this one are never enough for me. I am left wondering and hungering for more.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Info on hub posted by Chris on 5/23/2003 at 12:50:16 AM
They made a wide enough variety of cycle related things that if it was all laid before you you would say: "Wow!"
And today, it is all gone.

   RE:MISC:   Info on hub posted by Tom on 5/23/2003 at 3:31:01 PM
Thanks for the info as you could guess I am not a "English" collector. Bought it new back in about 1958 and forgot about it until finding it looking for somthing else at my mothers house. Wonder what else I picked up forgot about? No it's not a forsale item.

AGE / VALUE:   Seatposts posted by: David Poston on 5/21/2003 at 3:17:49 PM
When were these angled seatposts discontinued in favor of the modern, straight ones?



   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Seatposts posted by Warren on 5/22/2003 at 1:20:10 PM
These were discontinued when manufacturers started making a wider range of frame sizes. It used to be that a frame was only available in say a 21"or 23" size. If you were short in the leg you could slide the saddle forward to allow you to reach the bars and sometimes the pedals.

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