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Archived: English Roadsters

AGE / VALUE:   Mead 28" posted by: Ken on 6/12/2003 at 7:56:04 PM
Hey sam L, what happened to your '20s Mead project? I got the impression you were going to post about it on this board because of the wheel size? Also, what's the status of the Wyman cross-country project?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mead 28 posted by sam on 6/13/2003 at 3:06:57 AM
Hi Ken,yes I did plan on having that "modern"Mead built by now---just didn't happen.It's still hanging in the shed.The Wyman Run is underway.Rif will be in Ogden Utah tomorrow.The Run has had some ups and downds.First,a lot(too many!!) things went wrong at the last minute.But Rif did start on time with a wizzer motor mounted on the mead frame with the alum.28"wheels(40x635 tyre size),the original style tand didn't fit so he had to start with the wizzer tank.That was a major problem as the bike doesn't "look" correct.Rif took mesurements and mailed me the tank for the mods.With a little good luck tomorrow he should be installing the original style tank.And Brian in Iowa has a lot lined up for him this weekend.We might get a little press from some of the local papers too.Of interest to this group,Rif has rode over some ruff roads and the samson 4ply tyres in english size 28" are holding up nicely.All this got me to thinkin on motorizing the mead.--sam

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   SA Lights posted by: Chris Chambers on 6/12/2003 at 7:06:19 PM
I have a 1940's raleigh roadster, which is fitted with Sturmey-Archer lights, with a dry battery unit. It does not, however, have a dynohub. Does anyone know if they actually ever fitted without a dynohub ?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   SA Lights posted by JohnM on 6/13/2003 at 12:42:19 AM
That's an interesting question. The dynohub was by far the most expensive piece in the set, so it seems like it would make sense to sell a less expensive setup without it. I have a '55 Sports with the full setup (less the battery cap), and there is a two-conductor wire going from the hub directly to the headlight. Three position switch at the headlight -- off, battery, or hub. Remove the hub wire, and it could easily be a battery-only unit. Anyone with an old SA catalog out there?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   SA Lights posted by Edward in Vancouver on 6/13/2003 at 2:19:56 PM
Are you sure the wheel hadn't been replaced? For some reason the cones on the GH6's take alot of abuse, and replacements are hard to come by. Check on the left side of the fork for tell-tale scratches where a wire clip might have been, and also the seatpost bolt. On all Dynohub equipped bikes there was a little copper plate clamped to the seatpost for ground.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   SA Lights posted by Steve on 6/14/2003 at 12:27:39 AM
I'm surprised to hear that the dynohubs were grounded - my understanding is that the dynohubs have two terminals because the circuit is NOT grounded through the frame like the bottle generators.

However, yes I would assume the bicycle must have had a Dynohub if it has the DBU since I've only heard of the DBU as an upgrade to the dynohub. I suppose it is possible someone found a DBU but not a dynohub long after the bicycle was new.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   SA Lights posted by Edward in Vancouver on 6/14/2003 at 4:27:52 AM
You're right, of course. Dynohubs have two separate teminals. If you look at the S/A wiring diagrams on Tony Hadland's site, the negative terminal wire always led to the seatpost clamp. This was, I assume, to save on one wire leading to the headlamp switch.

MISC:   SRAM 3 speed hubs posted by: J. M. Vernooy on 6/12/2003 at 2:47:38 PM
I've been mourning the lack of popularity of the three speed hub in new bicycles sold in the United States. They are the most trouble free, long lasting, practical bicycle transmission ever designed. There have been more elaborate transmissions designed but not yet any that seriously rival the enclosed hub three speed. And of all the three speed hubs the best of them have always been the ones made by Sturmey Archer. Their only serious fault is that one has to learn how to use them. I'm referring to that fact that you have to watch out for neutral especially when adjusting them.

But I just found out that SRAM has a 27 speed transmission for comfort bikes with a three speed hub replacing the front derailleur and the three chainrings. I wish Sturmey Archer had done this. It's something that has been done many times by bicycle mechanics over the years by putting a freewheel on the Sturmey Archer hub with the treaded driver.

Has anyone heard anything about the SRAM Dual Drive, (that's what they call it), in use.


   RE:MISC:   SRAM 3 speed hubs posted by mike on 6/13/2003 at 9:42:04 PM
I have a Dual-Drive 24 speed. I'm generally satisfied with it although the clickbox part is a bit vulnerable to damage because it sticks out from the axle. It shifts very smoothly.

   RE:MISC: SRAM 3 speed hubs posted by Matt Harter on 6/14/2003 at 4:57:51 PM
I built a wheel set with an SRAM Spectro 7 drum brake hub, the problem is finding a frame with wide rear spacing and horizontal dropouts. I broke the brake bridge on my old raleigh technium frame while trying to spread the rear spacing, now I need a new frame for this project. I am riding my faithful rudge to work in the meantime.

MISC:   28 inch ROADSTER \PICTURES PRE. 1965 posted by: ron on 6/12/2003 at 11:37:05 AM
If your proud of your english roadster please; if you don't mind, send me pictures, I'm working on a project, plus I just love to see what others are collecting.

AGE / VALUE:   Bah! I hate ALL mountain bikes! posted by: Chris on 6/11/2003 at 8:39:23 PM
These stand for junk in my mind!
It was there! Yes. The only bike I saw out at the kerb!
Chrome-oly frame with japaneese writing on it. Japaneese books out at the kerb too. I forget the name right now but I could not tell if it was a cheap bike or something that cost plenty when it was new. I got out and held it and looked it over and there arose in me such terrible feelings for this type bike that I left it there. Free or no.
I love English bikes. All kinds, mens and ladies bikes.
I left this mountain bike there. Still, driving away and mouthing the name of the bike and trying to draw from my mountain bike experience, I decided 10 minutes later to turn around and go back. I was going to ask a pal what it was and hang it up beforte finding somebody to give it to.
Too late, the guy and his truck were there and he seemed interested in ther magazines with the Japaneese characters on the covers. He already had grabbed the bike and I pulled along side him and asked if he had the bike because I could not see in the truck bed. He had and he was going to donate it but he offered it to me. I still declined but I advised him to research it because he might have something valuable there. I wished him a good day. Not an common junk mountain bike, maybe not. It is just that I really dislike them.
Probably brought here from Japan and I probably messed up in not taking it but still, I would not admidt that for anything. I won't ride a mountain bike! I bought the Grateful Dead bike when before hit the shops regular customers. I pulled strings to arrange that one and it is new as I got it. It's art and I forced myself to pick it up. I don't even listen to them. I am doing fine with letting this one today, go. If it was a English bike the story would be different.
To me, the original mountain bike is the rod brake 28 inch wheel roadster. The Raleigh or Phillips or Hercules or bikes like that. The mountain tires today slow one down and don't also prove to be more ideal than the old 28 inch Raleigh type tires.

Our bike is the real mountain bike. The real commuter bike tires. The Brooks B- 72 the one off out Raleigh 's is the original mountain bike seat!
People have ridden around the world on these tires and on our bikes.
Even offered the second chance to have it for free I passed.

Do not be like I am because I don't know enough about mountain bikes in the sense that some are valuable and will be and may already are being collected. It is the next collected thing for the future. The early Mountain bikes will be worth a lot in the future.
Be assured I will pass by them and perhaps not even get out to examine it.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bah! I hate ALL mountain bikes! posted by Brian on 6/12/2003 at 12:42:42 PM
Chris - I first & foremost find, repair/restore 1950's English bikes...but that said, I also enjoy restoring that relatively new incarnation of the bicycle - the mountain bike. As with all my bikes, I collect/repair only steel bikes. I would direct your attention to the earlist MTB's - Lindsey, Cunningham, Ritchey's, Breezer, etc. No, I wouldn't expect you to start an interest in these bikes, but I believe if you look them over carefully - you'll have to acknowledge the beauty of these designs. However, that said... the simple joy of riding a quality, pre-1960's upright-position Raleigh Sport, requiring only regular shoes, and with the Carradice stuffed with picnic goodies, and the Brooks saddle providing the pinnacle of comfort to the backend of things - now that is just a li'l slice of heaven.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bah! I hate ALL mountain bikes! posted by J. M. Vernooy on 6/12/2003 at 3:53:43 PM
The majority of mountain bikes lack the quality and charm of the English roadsters. As someone who works on bicycles for a living I can't choose what I want to work on at work, but when I get home there are no mountain bikes and likely won't be as long as there are English roadsters and the similar English sportsters.


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Bah! I hate ALL mountain bikes! posted by J. M. Vernooy on 6/12/2003 at 4:02:26 PM
I mis-spoke. In my above post I should have said "The majority of mountain bikes lack the quality of English roadsters and they all lack the charm of English roadsters." Wanted to correct myself before someone asks if I meant that any mountain bikes have the charm of the English roadsters. For the record - I don't think so.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bah! I hate ALL mountain bikes! posted by Ray on 6/12/2003 at 7:14:34 PM
Since I have been collecting all types of bikes for quite a while now and I ride everything I collect and study them also. Comparing an old Classic Englidh Roadster to a Mountain bike is like comparing Carusso to Elvis. Each one has its audience, market and staunch supporters. The intangible things like beauty and charm are as they say in the eye of the beholder. I would not dream of going off road on a serious mud laden, rocky, steep downhill nor jump logs with a classic Roadster. I would also not commute seriously with a mountain bike. Each has its own specialty and many folks try to make themselves believe otherwise. Yeah, you may ride your MTB like a commuter but it is not best suited for this and you are wasting your own energy in the process. You can take the old English Classic off road but if you fall with those fenders, or flat on a trail with that enclosed chain case or try to stop with wet muddy wheels on a severe downhill you will soon learn the difference. I have had and have several Roadsters and MTBs. I like them all or would not collect them. They each have their own personality and style and you can appreciate them more if you read up and learn about their lineage first.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bah! I hate ALL mountain bikes! posted by J. M. Vernooy on 6/12/2003 at 8:22:34 PM
Ray you prove that there is more wisdom on this discussion board than outside of it. The number of people who commute by mountain bike in my area is amazing. In the future I might be disappointed that I didn't collect any mountain bikes. And you're correct that it has to do with the perception of the beholder. Granted. But when I have to make a full suspension mountain bike that cost $100 brand new run properly I find it hard to remember the wonderfully designed mountain bikes. It's a good thing that companies like Cannondale, Trek, Gary Fisher, and others are there to represent the high standard that they do.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bah! I hate ALL mountain bikes! posted by steve on 6/12/2003 at 8:33:31 PM
The first time I heard of the mountain bike was in that article in "Outside" back in 1979. My response was "Interesting - but a bit too specialized for me. I don't need to get off the pavement that often, and I've happily ridden trail roads on 27" high pressure tires." Then I was generally surprised when mountain bikes took off and became The Next Big Thing, noting that most of them stayed on the pavement.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bah! I hate ALL mountain bikes! posted by steve on 6/12/2003 at 8:33:32 PM
The first time I heard of the mountain bike was in that article in "Outside" back in 1979. My response was "Interesting - but a bit too specialized for me. I don't need to get off the pavement that often, and I've happily ridden trail roads on 27" high pressure tires." Then I was generally surprised when mountain bikes took off and became The Next Big Thing, noting that most of them stayed on the pavement.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bah! I hate ALL mountain bikes! posted by steve on 6/12/2003 at 8:45:44 PM
(AHA! THAT's how these multiple postings happen - you hit "enter" to make a paragraph one too many times!) Then, in '91, when the road bike was in the shop for a repainting, I bought an entry-level mtn. bike just to see what all the fuss was about. Found that the drag of the big tires on the pavement was entirely too noticeable for my liking. And I found the off-road capability to be overrated. I decided to ride a railroad grade in Stevens Pass (WA, east of Seattle) that had been abandoned 60 years earlier. I gave up after maybe a mile - decades of avalanches had squashed the trees into impenetrable tangles of living fence across the grade. A machete - or better yet, a chainsaw - would have been a much better vehicle than a mountain bike. . .

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Come to think of it, I never see the Breezer bikes. posted by Chris on 6/12/2003 at 10:28:02 PM
Thanks for dropping some names, it was a Breeze or a Breezer. It did not say Joe Breeze on it.
It was Chrome-oly too.

Where are the shaft drive bikes in the U.S.A.?
Why is it that modern advanced wheel chair rims are only made in the 24 X 1 3/8th's size?
Why not 26 X 1 3/8? I would love a set of alloy Sun rims on my old Sports?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bah! I hate ALL mountain bikes! posted by Warren on 6/12/2003 at 11:06:58 PM
I had a very early true, hand made Gary Fisher frame with the Cunningham centrepull brakes and a funky chainset. It was stolen. Good thing or I may not have ventured into road bikes, brit bikes, club bikes, vintage bikes...

Nah....I still wish I had it. It was a true collectible.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Come to think of it, I never see the Breezer bikes. posted by Brian on 6/12/2003 at 11:18:10 PM
Chris - Funny you mentioning alloy rims on a Sports. I have Sun alloy rims on a Rudge. They are the correct 40/32 drilling. I know that Sheldon & some other's in the big-bike community have had these rims for sale - I bought mine from a member on the IBOB list. I built the wheelset with stainless spokes too - the braking really improved with the alloy rims. I still keep all my S/A rims for trading or other projects.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bah! I hate ALL mountain bikes! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/13/2003 at 12:40:53 AM
I used to ride a GT 21 spd. MTB. Used to ride rail trails with it.... and it was very well suited to that purpose....

Alas one time I was on the Paulinskill Valley Trail in North NJ. Miles from nowhere and the doggone chain snapped.
Lemme tellya it was an extensive hike pushing that dopey thing and an extensive string of expletives echoing through the trees.

I came to realize that the bike, while well suited for certain things. was not very comfortable. Additionally, not having fenders, you would get filthy riding it and it was just plain UGLY to me.

I got to thinking about when I was a kid. I had a Columbia "Spyder" bike (Musclebike in the parlance of our times) and a buddy got a brandy new, red Dunelt roadster.

Man, I LOVED that bike. Heck... I liked his more than the doggone Sprite 27 I slaved for after the fact. As I got to thinking about all this a little while ago... well, Here I sit with no less than 10 freakin' roadsters.

Obsessive Compusive? NAH!!!!

Now I'm a one-man "Save the ROADSTER" committee!



   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bah! I hate ALL mountain bikes! posted by sam on 6/13/2003 at 3:19:30 AM
But Chris what would you have done if it had been a Raleigh Roadester Mountain Bike like the one I saw at a fle market!Had the bolt on stays with rear facing drop outs,10speeds and MB tyres!I think made in Afirica but didn't look too close.But some where they build them---sam

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bah! I hate ALL mountain bikes! posted by Chris on 6/13/2003 at 5:30:00 PM
I would have bought that in a second. Especially if it was from Africa as I collect things from Raleigh's Springs South Africa factory.
That name on a mountain bike I would have loved to have seen that.
Thanks for the post. I never knew that they did that.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bah! I hate ALL mountain bikes! posted by David on 6/13/2003 at 9:08:10 PM
Sun DOES make aluminum 26 x 1 3/8 rims. Normally, just 36-hole ones, but they recently made some 32 and 40 hole ones. I have a set that I'm planning to turn into wheels soon.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bah! I hate ALL mountain bikes! posted by Stacey on 6/14/2003 at 11:15:38 AM
Where did you get those SUN rims in 32/40 drilling, David?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Bah! I hate ALL mountain bikes! posted by Chris on 6/14/2003 at 8:45:06 PM
I'm happy that they do make them and thanks for the post but what I saw in the 24 inch size, the ones I saw on the discarded wheelchair was a really modern new type of rim design that I have not seen on the alloy 26 inch rims that our Raleigh's could use.

These 24's were special!
The folks at one shop the other day confirmed my thoughts that the bike was something I should not have passed over. I should have grabbed it.
There will be other mountain bikes at the kerbs in the future. It's all I ever do see anymore.

FOR SALE:   OLDER PEUGEOT RACER ? posted by: Joe on 6/11/2003 at 5:05:57 AM

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Quandry: Schwinn Collegiate vs. Schwinn Racer posted by: Bob on 6/10/2003 at 11:17:57 PM
I've been pulling touring bikes out of the scrap metal pile for several years, only to let them rust away in my back yard. (Current inventory, 45 and growing.) Finally, as a first attempt at restoration, I selected a men's 1980 Schwinn Collegiate with an AW hub.

It's in fair condition, but needs an S/A cable (which to a novice appears to be the weakest link in old bikes). Before I started cannibalizing other bikes I searched this discussion site for the last several years, and found you guys don't think too much of the Collegiate. (I'm too green to have an opinion.) Based on your comments, I decided not to strip any of my Raleighs to rebuild the Collegiate, and went to my men's Schwinn collection for parts: two Schwinn Racers, 1969 and 1971, with AW hubs. FIRST QUESTION: If I come out of this with one reconditioned bike, should it be the Collegiate or a Racer. (I didn't find the negative comments about the Racer that I found about the Collegiate, but I like the cutsy little fenders on the Collegiate.) SECOND QUESTION: I want to do the reconditioning by the numbers. Where do I find the numbers?

Any (almost any) comments appreciated. Bob

   All the numbers! posted by sam on 6/11/2003 at 1:50:33 AM
For your Schwinn check out Marks restoration job on his phantom http://www.bunchobikes.com/phantom.htm this will give you an idea or two---nobody says you got to go this far the first time but it good to see it done right.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Quandry: Schwinn Collegiate vs. Schwinn Racer posted by Edward in Vancouver on 6/11/2003 at 5:15:31 AM
If you like the bike, fix it! Wieghs a ton? So does my Superbe. For those S/A cables don't strip other bikes for them, make ém yourself. Look at a S/A cable, closely. A piece of gear cable (not brake cable), a piece of cable housing, with a ferrule at one end and an adjusting barrel at the other, and two pieces of crimped brass tubing. No magic. Get the brass tubing at a hobby store, one of those stores that sells hobby railroad stuff and crimp it on a piece of gear cable, then play copy cat with the old cable.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Quandry: Schwinn Collegiate vs. Schwinn Racer posted by Chris on 6/11/2003 at 8:32:44 PM
Others know the spells but won't share it. Watrch him twist in the wind, they think. Not too difficult magic no. Still, It did take awhile for me to learn the spell before I was ready to conjure up cables.
The brass tube took searching thru three stores and when he acted flighty as to if it would still be available in the future I decided to hoard some of that too.

You'll see where it is crimped in a pattern not just one crimp and that took a special pliars. One crimp and it would slip out and not hold under the tension of the cable in use.
But I am now making cables and this is why I saved all the old original bits off of old long deceased cables for years with these idiotic little parts in boxes.
I would like you all to know the absolute crazyness in searching all over for cable that I went thru. We could not find it in the long length for the Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. or the 28 inch wheel Bobbie bikes. It vanished. Then all Sturmey- Archer cable vanished. It was just Shimano.
I have been hoarding this new in plastic/ carded cable bags for years! Pick up every cable in the place and then another visit to another shop. Travel and go buy more cable.
Tires, cable, and tubes, rod brake shoes, and Sturmey stuff.
the 28 inch tubes for these 28 inch wheel Raleighs got scarce with shops not carrying it and folks were stretching 27 inch tubes and that did not work so well. Then the 700 C bikes appeared and finally it looked like they were going to make a tube that was the equivilent of the old 28 inch tubes and they did, finally!
Now I use all presta valves in my Raleigh fleet because those are better valves the presta valves do not leak as much if at all.
Now they make a 29 inch tube and I hear that: "That tube is too big for you." I never thought I would ever hear that. I was about to make 28 inch tubes at one point. I was upset that my beloved bike was being edged out of existence by the powers that ordered inventory for shops.
Today it is pictured on the current cover of ther modern bicycle shop order book. Open that book and there is nothing for our bikes inside it. Except tubes and that is only by a back door fluke that modern bikes call for this size.
Tubes and gear cable has been a real problem in the past. Yes!
Today I can make cables in any length and tubes you see on the shop shelves. Times have changed. Last night I worked on a wheel and this tire from Mexico that I got from a pal has a Mexican 28 X 1 1/2 tube in it and the rubber is real thick and so much better than the new tubes we can get here better valve or no. Even though it was a Schrader car type valve I left it in there. I looked at it and marveled.
And glad to have it!! The Tornel tire is on the Raleigh and and I look up at the bike and I'm looking at the tire and it is like that Sam here, is a god! Like a god that he could introduce me to new 28 inch tires of such quality and the price is good. Blows Kenda tires away. Oh but I'm so grateful for Kendas. I won't say anything against them. It was those or nothing!
My involvement with this Raleigh bicycle the 28 inch wheel rod brake bike has been strange and extensive. I had a set of Kenda's with red stripes or red lines on them and the rubber was a whole different grade of rubber. Boy those Kenda's rode well! Tornel made or makes a studded 28 X 1 1/2 tire. That is one bitchin cool 28 inch Raleigh Tire!!
Nobody else could find those and if they could they kept quiet.
Tubes here in the States have not been that good in a long time.
I searched out and found how to put the lead ferrures on this cable so I could do brakes too.
Bought the jig and learned how. My God! the searching I have done! I really searched this one down to the end.
Thanks to Edward and to Sam Clingo.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Quandry: Schwinn Collegiate vs. Schwinn Racer posted by Chris on 6/11/2003 at 8:39:06 PM
Chasing down all white 28 inch tires from the now defunct shop called: The Planetary gear.
Oh, the jumping through hoops and they move and close down the hoops and today I can't even find out what happened to the ringmasters and the hoop is now long since gone.Or else there is somebody else that holds it higher and I have to jump further.
Today with the internet, the hoop is not so terrible a thing to jump through and it is closer to the ground and many times you just step through.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Quandry: Schwinn Collegiate vs. Schwinn Racer posted by -------------------------------------------------------- on 6/12/2003 at 1:02:58 AM
roadster tires for sale on e-bay

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Single-speed Raeighs posted by: Chris Chambers on 6/10/2003 at 7:44:09 PM
I have recently aquired a 1930s-40s single-speed raleigh gentleman's bicycle.

I am aware that many english roadsters were made as single-speed bikes for the USA export market. I am based in the UK, so was surprised that single-speed's were available at this side of 'the pond'

Any ideas ?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Single-speed Raeighs posted by P.C. Kohler on 6/10/2003 at 9:41:42 PM
Actually, single-speed machines were "stock" for the Home Market in most cases before the War and indeed immediately after. Except for some specific models, ALL Raleigh machines (including most sports and club bikes) came as single speeds. You could, of course, add your desired extras such as any Sturmey Archer hub, drum brakes, dynohub etc. etc. when you placed your order and prices for this was always listed in the catalogue. For the U.S. export market, the trend was to dispatch only the more costly machines with gears and all the bells and whistles. Single speed machines are consequently very rare in the USA.

Me, I'd rather like to add a single-speed Clubman to my stable.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Single-speed Raeighs posted by Chris Chambers on 6/11/2003 at 7:08:13 PM
Ahh. It all makes sense now!

Unfortunatly, most of the classic bike sites on the 'net are American, so its hard to get a balaced view.

One thing is for sure - heavy single-speed roadsters are best suited to flat places!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   3 speed upgrade /update site posted by: Robert on 6/10/2003 at 1:07:18 PM
This addy may have been posted here before, but just in case it has not here it is.


AGE / VALUE:   Phillips Rod Brake Roadster posted by: Tom on 6/10/2003 at 2:48:40 AM
I just finished going for a ride on a rod-brake roadster I acquired in a trade. The bike has no markings on it, had been repainted at some time, looks like Phillips. The paint was done nicely but has scratches and chips now. It is a 26" ladies bike with loop frame. Has Phillips front and rear single speed hubs. Has string skirt guard on rear mudguards. The bike has 26 x 1 1/2" rims with very nice Dunlop Roadster tires. The saddle is a Dunlop rubber. The bars have some rust as does the crank. The bike rides great. I need a few things though. The brake pads are not good, 1 missing. They are long (1 3/4" or so) and square. I would also like a fully enclosed chaincase, the bike has no chaincase. How old would the bike be, when did they stop making skirt guards?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Phillips Rod Brake Roadster posted by Edward in Vancouver on 6/10/2003 at 2:08:43 PM
Don't know much about dating your bike, but it sounds like pre 1950's. Full chaincase? More like a holy grail. There are two directions you can go, the first is the easiest. Buy a new one from someone who deals with Indian/Chinese imports. Hold your horses, it's just a hunk of stamped sheet metal, probably the exact same pattern as Raleigh's. The second route is more harder. E-bay, auctions, posting on websites like this...But even then you're not guaranteed a good one. If you're interested I have a black one, from a 26"wheel model--BUT it's missing all the pieces and has some dents and scratches. Yours for shipping costs, as it was given to me for shipping costs.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Phillips Rod Brake Roadster posted by Max M. on 6/11/2003 at 4:05:24 AM
You are in luck! The machine most often copied by the Indian and Chinese cycle manufacturers was in fact the Phillips roadster. Most of the new replacement parts available here at Old Roads and from Harvey at Cyclesofyesteryear.com are Phillips style. They are cheap and really are appropriate replacements. The chaincase fits perfectly and the brake fittings are all exact. Even the round section mudguards are the correct kind for the Phillips. Here you can see how the stuff looks. I finally decided to sell mine due to space limitations. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=420&item=2178533369

WANTED:   Rear SA light posted by: Tom on 6/10/2003 at 2:41:42 AM
I am looking for a Sturmey Archer rear light or just the lense and inside chrome reflecting piece. The rear housing is grey plastic bullet shaped. I don't have the rest of it. The dynohub is a 1972 so I am sure the light is the same year.

   RE:WANTED:   Rear SA light posted by Jeff R on 6/10/2003 at 11:17:23 AM
My 1957 Triumph sports has a tailight with the gray plastic housing with a chrome bezel and red lense. My brothers 1961 Raleigh sports has a chrome housing. Chrome is what I have seen on all of the 60's bikes. I recall seeing other late 50's bikes with the gray plastic housing. At some point someone may have changed the either hub or the light. The head light on the Triumph has a chrome bezel and the body is painted gray, where as the 60's bikes have a head light with a chrome body. I hope this helps you date the bike or lights.

   RE:RE:WANTED:   Rear SA light posted by Brian on 6/10/2003 at 8:14:28 PM
I am seeking one..or two Sturmey Archer taillights with the grey-colored bodies & red lens for two of my 50's era bikes - if someone has one..or two to sell me, I'd really appreciate it!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Thanks All! posted by: Bob on 6/10/2003 at 2:27:18 AM
I posted on June 07 asking for information on Raleigh 20's. I feel like I tapped into the planet's collective intelligence on the subject. Wait, I did tap into the planet's collective intelligence. Thanks for the responses. Bob

AGE / VALUE:   pre-war Raleigh Tourist on e-bay posted by: Anon. on 6/9/2003 at 10:33:45 PM

What happened to that pre-war Raleigh Tourist you were selling on e-bay a while ago? I don't think it met the reserve, if I remember correctly.

Anon. e-bayer

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   pre-war Raleigh Tourist on e-bay posted by ron on 6/10/2003 at 1:31:36 AM
I still have the pre war roadster, I also have a loaded 64 which I ride everyday, the 37 is in such perfect origanal condition I'm pressed to sell it, I ended the auction because I wasn't sure, I got plenty of offers most over $1000, it's not the money, it's owning what I feel as a piece of art. I have some great pictures of both, send me your e-mail.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   pre-war Raleigh Tourist on e-bay posted by Phil Easton on 6/10/2003 at 3:28:01 AM
hi Ron:
I have aa 1936 Ladies Hercules which is very similar to yours and I would love some of your pictures. Please send to findgold@hotmail.com

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dump bikes! posted by: Bryan Masone on 6/9/2003 at 8:57:02 PM
Just had to share the fruits of this past weekend's labor. Every weekend I bring my mom's garbage to the dump because she doesn't get around too well anymore. This weekend was cold and rainy, and I really didn't want to go. I always check the recyclable area to see if there are any bikes among the discarded lawnmowers, refrigerators and such. There usually is some wingnut ten speed from the 1970's, but until now I've never found anything interesting to me. This weekend I found a nice BMX frame, a Mongoose Hoodlum. I have been looking for a BMX bike for awhile now to use as a jumping bike. So, I drove over to the garbage area and was throwing out the trash when an old pickup truck pulled up loaded with garbage bags and bikes. Mostly the wingnut tenspeeds and children's bikes, but also a black Hercules. When I asked if they were being thrown away, one of the two ladies was happy to help me get the Hercules out of the truck, but the other lady started up saying, "see, I told you that one was valuable." Of course I had no money in my pocket, but managed to get the bike before she changed her mind. She also mentioned that her mother has two "old rusty English bikes." So, I left them with my telephone number. Hopefully they'll call. The bike turned out to be a 1970 Hercules three speed, in great working order.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dump bikes! posted by Chris on 6/10/2003 at 12:31:32 AM