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Archived: English Roadsters

FOR SALE:   Straight for Divorce Court posted by: P.C. Kohler on 6/5/2003 at 4:52:52 AM
OK, guys... take a look at this!! The winning bidder gets 100 hours free of the best divorce lawyer in town because this has to be straw that breaks the camel's back of bike collecting...


P.C. Kohler

   RE:FOR SALE:   Straight for Divorce Court posted by Mark R. on 6/5/2003 at 12:28:16 PM
WOW, how the Hell would you get all that home? Some one with a lot of staorage space ought to snap it all up! SUNBEAMS????? Oh God, I'm goona go nuts! I'm gonna see if I can drive up there and check it out.

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   Straight for Divorce Court posted by Brian on 6/5/2003 at 1:07:35 PM
Oh my gosh! - I know two people who will head over there after the email tango, & probably with a big box-truck ready to load. Maybe we will see parts of this booty at the Bloomfield, CT event. A few good grabs (read - Sunbeams...collectable S/A hubs...etc.) could make all the hassle worth while - think ten year's worth of scavenging condensed into one spot.

   RE:FOR SALE:Ebay item#3612035211  posted by one eyed pirate Chris on 6/5/2003 at 8:57:00 PM
Pirate Chris makes the following announcment:
Har maties, We be sailing for Oak Island. Were gonna dump this whole stash of old collectable bikes and parts down into the infamous Oak Island Money Pit.
They'll never recover it. My old pal Blackbeard, he told me how the confounded thing worked- it was a joint effort with the old Prince of Darkness himself.
They be thinking it holds gold and silver bars but old Blackbeard the pirate was a bicycle collector too. Har maties! Tonight we sail for Oak Island!
Let me know if anybody sees things that move like wispy smoky trails of fast moving, white light whatever.If the bike collectors drop everything and flee refusing to come back for the car they left there or if the temperature drops 60 degrees in two seconds. If the form of a baggy pants wearing old man appears and demands that you get the heck out of his barn and you can't have it. If the dude is floating and they already told you that Henry died last month and you are still seeing him? Sudden fear, or tears of grief?
Knowledge of things you were not told?
Speaking in French when you never have studied it? Yup! The place is haunted!
Do let me know if it happens!

In the meanwhile I hope this stash is not cursed like the James Dean death car. That would really be a bummer!
Actually, While this stash does hold some things of attraction and interest. The bikes in the picture are not that rare or special. This looks like a great place for small things and tools and oil cans and the like.
Yes, of course go see it and root thru it but I have seen better stashes of parts before.
There are some things in the pictures I would throw out!

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:Ebay item#3612035211  posted by Chris on 6/5/2003 at 9:04:56 PM
"Sunbeams" could be the 1960's Raleigh made version or the real deal.
One thing for sure, a collection like this will hold things of interest because of all the years it took to put that mess (I mean, stash) together.

AGE / VALUE:   Great bike collection... posted by: Warren on 6/5/2003 at 12:28:03 AM
Here's a choice selection from an amazing bike shop in Toronto...single speed roadsters are the early bikes, lightweights are later. Here's my favourite....http://www.bikespecialties.com/vintage/1934ccmpacefollower.html

Dig the BSA chainring!

Follow the pull down menu for other bikes.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A Better Cleaner than S.O.S. Pads posted by: Ted on 6/4/2003 at 7:55:10 PM
If anyone is looking for a cleaner that will remove paint and residue from a bike in a gentle and non-abrasive way you may want to try a product known as "Nevr-Dull - The Magic Wadding Polish". It comes in a blue can and it looks and feels similar to cotton. In Canada it's available at Canadian Tire and Home Hardware. I just picked up a can for $10.

I've had to remove spray paint from the frame of my Raleigh Sports bike and I'd tried S.O.S. pads as suggested but even while being super-gentle with them, they still tend to leave small scratches in the paint. "Nevr-Dull" will not scratch your paint no matter how hard you rub with it. It doesn't even disturb the glossy finish that protects your paint job. When you are done, rub the clean surface with a soft, dry cloth and it will shine for you.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A Better Cleaner than S.O.S. Pads posted by Tom on 6/5/2003 at 3:30:15 AM
Nevr-Dull is manufactured by "The George Basch Co. Inc, 19 Hanse Ave, Freeport, New York 11520 I have been using this stuff for years. It works great on alloy rims and parts. Alloy polishes to look like chrome. The piece when used turns black and the alloy gets a black coating on it. This can be removed by a soft cloth. Another thing about this stuff if you use it for alloy and the piece is not tattered you can put it at the bottom of the can and it will be moist again next time you use it. I use it on chrome and it works good but won't remove all heavy rust.

Another item I use is "Scotch Brite" pad. They are available in green and white looks like a kitchen scotch pad. We get both at my work and the white does not scratch. It can be used on a lot of metals. It can be used for oxidized paint but will remove the pinstripes if not carefull. When the pieces get well broken in I use them for scrubbing my hands with plain bar soap. Removes the hardest to get at grease.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bluemel s mudguards posted by: Ward Davis on 6/4/2003 at 3:50:49 PM
Do any of you folks know if Bluemmels mudguards that are clearly marked for a 26" rim will fit on a 27" rim. Hows that for a silly question? Thanks in advance for any info...Ward.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bluemel s mudguards posted by Warren on 6/5/2003 at 12:04:39 AM
You should have no problems with the arc or radius of the fender. An inflated EA3 rim is not far from a 700c with a regular tires (<28mm) as far as outside diameter is concerned. However, sometimes the fenders are too wide between the fork or the rear stays. Aluminum Bluemels can be bent a bit but the plastic ones must be cut and that's a shame. By some new ESGE's and use those and save the Bluemels for the right bike.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bluemel s mudguards posted by Ward on 6/6/2003 at 12:28:08 AM
Warren: Thanks for the info. I'm going to put these on a Lenton Sports that has been converted to 27" inch rims that work well. I have to believe the Blumels plastic mudguards will fit without cutting, since that is what came with the bike way back when. I havent purchased the fenders yet but I guess I now will based on the info you all supplied. I can always use them. Thanks.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules newby posted by: Chris on 6/3/2003 at 2:17:54 AM
I'm hoping that I can tap into the obvious Hercules knowledge lingering on this list. I've read the archives and am impressed. I have recently acquired a beautiful Hercules bike and cannot find any information on it via the web. It's all original - from the Hercules 3-speed hub to the Hercules pedals. It's showing signs of age so I would like to take care of the rust before it gets too heavy. How do I identify it and properly care for this bike that was obviously built to last. I can still hop onto it and ride it daily to the market. It's great.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules newby posted by Warren on 6/3/2003 at 2:39:53 AM
The Hercules hub is a clone to the Sturmey Archer 3 speed AW hub except that it has no date code so it is very hard to figure out exact dates on their bikes. No one has found a serial number code or chart. There are subtle clues to age...nickel plating instead of chrome, the quality of chrome, the use of double-ended brake cables, enclosed chainguards, brake levers, grips, tyres, saddles etc. Too many to suss it out without a close inspection. Suffice to say everything on you bike is available including the internals for your rear hub so don't throw it out. Do you have a Hercules chainring as well? They are usually earlier bikes.

Clean it, oil it, wax the frame, repack the bearings bottom bracket and headset, true the wheels and it will last another 50 yearss. Find a shop who can do it...really do it or learn how to do it via Sheldons website and feedback form this list...easier than you think if you've got a passion for it.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules newby posted by Chris on 6/3/2003 at 4:05:16 AM
Thanks for the info, Warren. I'm new to vintage bicycles, even though I've been a bicycling advocate all my life. I've been more of a "techie" spending thousands on the newest, shiniest titanium parts. I'm coming around to the more utilitarian and artistic merits of cycling and am quickly forgetting about my other bicycles in the process. Any more information you can share would be greatly appreciated. I will try and post some pictures of my Hercules and maybe they will help everyone get an idea of her lineage.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Hercules newby posted by P.C. Kohler on 6/3/2003 at 4:30:24 AM
Cue to shameless plug for your site...

Roll Britannia is featuring this summer pix from the absolutely stunning 1934 Hercules "Cycle Magazine" featuring some of the best cycle artwork ever created.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules newby posted by Warren on 6/3/2003 at 12:28:36 PM
Been there! I just sold my last "new" bike...a late 90's Campag Chorus equipped ELOS frame. I've also sold a couple of C-dales in the past coulple of years. I have replaced them with other lightweight classic roadbikes from the 70's, in addition to the utilitarian roadsters I've been restoring for the last decade. Add a trackbike, a clubbike and a tandem and all of a sudden you have a fleet of bikes at a fraction the cost of a Record Ti grouppo. It's very satisfying and it's not predicated on being able to afford the latest technology. Welcome to the club.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Serial number charts posted by Chris on 6/4/2003 at 4:03:26 PM
No one has looked for a serial number chart. Nobody really cared to ask and pursue this. The folks who read this and never post, the ones who could ask because they know who to ask are too busy or don't care.

With all the interest and all the folks who could find out by asking it has not been done.
If it has been saved then it is in the hands of private collectors who read and soak up information from others but they never come out of the woodwork and contribute.

A large amount of folks who ran these companies and workers who were there are still with us and nobody seems to know where serial number charts that tell the year of manufacture are.
Do I have to do this? Am I the only one who is going to take this project under wing and get it solved and then I should battle up hill to get it posted and shared for everybody?

Meanwhile there are still posts with newbies asking "I have a this or that bicycle it is black and the serial number is such and such please tell me what I have."
Like we can miracously look this up?
Another thing, there WERE of bicycle clubs and devotees years back when when huge companies merged and threw away whole factories of inventory and sacked thousands of British. It was the Cyclists Touring Club and a lot of smaller clubs all over and collectors and so many folks who must have saved this or that. So there is no excuse.

The history of Hercules goes back into cool enough stuff that it is unexplained that somebody did not save it.
Now with the net, we cry out for this information.

I'm in the process of creating a web site and these are the questions I am going to tackle and there will be pictures and pictures and pictures and interviews galore.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Serial number charts posted by Chris on 6/4/2003 at 4:20:57 PM
The exception is some of Raleigh's serial numbers. An effort was made and it is on Sheldon's web site. A kind fellow tried to solve this and it works sometimes and sometimes it does not.
I don't mean to rip on any bike friends it's just that I personally find this very fustrating.
We really have been having a terrible time trying to get this collectible vintage bicycle history straight. What's next? Egyptology? Go to Egypt and dig up tombs?

How about Climbing Mount Ararat and briging back video and pieces from the Ark of Noah? Pull out Ogopogo from that lake in Canada. Capture bigfoot and hold it up on national T.V.?

If I did any of those things there would be a huge ruckus and I'd have to put it back where I found it.
They ask: "Where did you find that??" already
After we solve the history of these bicycle companies and find serial number charts I'll be ready to tackle the mysteries of the universe! Sheesh!
The bicycle history confrence is held in far away places and it is not easy to attend the procedings are in books that cost money and well, it's kinda like a closed thing to a certain extent.
This is not like finding a 4000 year old book and repeating the words in it and being infused with magic powers. All I am trying to do is understand what about the bike that I have and read the industrial history of a bicycle company. The bicycle stuff, the other things I don't care about.When it does fall apart, it happens with stupidity and slopplyness that boggles the mind and that gives me hope.
A junkman noticed some of the notes blowing down the street and nobody cared to pick it up.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules newby posted by Ken on 6/4/2003 at 5:15:17 PM
Hey, don't forget (as Sheldon explains) that the pre-Raleigh Hercules dreigang hub has the threaded driver so you can mount multi freewheels and so forth - Chris, this should be right up your alley, no?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Serial number charts posted by Chris on 6/4/2003 at 5:53:12 PM
Thigs that do get into archive sit there under that control of the new person. After it has been sifted through and all or some of the important things have been quietly removed and destroyed and after it has been throughly scrubbed it sits there and getting to see it is made difficult to do.
It's not on the net, you have to travel and see it in person.
I have met too many people that look me in the eyes and tell me they don't know and can't help. Common sense tells me they already have found the answers or that they travel in circles with pals that do or could find out with a phone call.
Read some of the books and you'll see where things are left hanging and where something does not jive.
The questions of: "Gee, I wonder what happened to it all in the end and what is there today and Gee, they had a huge collection because somebody came in from some magazine and made a slight mention of it and a book is written and nobody bothers to walk about and look into it.
Why look into it at all? It's like I rip out the final chapters and then hand you the book. Nobody is going to want to read it. We are awaiting the ending and how does it turn out? The Whatever happened after? questions. I'm all interested now.
Especially if this is something I care to fight for and work to bring back and promote even if I don't realize a dime. I want to save it.
How about a video where somebody pulls out a poster from a wood stove and has to argue to save this material from the guy who wants to burn it and then it is unfolded out and it is a beautiful thing and the fellow asks
What happened to Fiorelli bicycles andway?
The collectors that ask if it is for sale are met and then somebody goes on a quest to answer it. All the old pictures are shown and people are interviewed and one by one all the silent collectors who have a Fiorelli in the secret stash are met with long enough so a comprehensive database is formed.
Everybody is Ga Ga over Coppi but I ask for every bit of information on not just him but this beautiful bike and the people and places that made it.
They say "Oh, Chris" and they speak warmly of a time long gone and they get romantic and their voice trails away.
Everybody is looking to add to a collection and find the "Holy Grail" and quick! Great heavens! put it up in e- bay. Find the stuff and sell it! That's fun too. That's cool. The experience of digging and finding is better in my book. I don't want to go away and not feel that I laid hands on all there was. I don't want to suspect that there was more to the story but that I gave up too soon.
Go to the Cirque and hobknob and show off the polished and restored trophy and have a meal out. That's fine.
I don't know these people and I'll shake hands and they'll wonder "Who is this joker?" and "What did he bring and how did he come to acquire this Rene Herse?" or whatever.
This is not what is important to me. It is what folks do but I am searching for more specific answers and experiences. I'm not just in this to beat out the other guy to it for money alone. I'm driven because I really like and admire this stuff and I want to roll around with it and have some fun most of all. As long as I learn and enjoy and do finally end up selling it for more that I gave for it. Sure questions are asked because somebody is wanting to restore something. I just want to know for my own interests and if I could help get it together to make it easier for somebody who will come after me than that's fine. I want to see pictures and get set up to make the item again or re- create paintwork and lost arts and enjoy it again as it was made years ago. Bring out the bike and have everybody think that it is N.O.S. Except that it is like it never was discontinued because such a decent job of re-creating the manufacturing process and preserving procedures and finding people who hold the secret tricks and salvaging factory tooling so I am able to re- produce that or this part. Or work with folks who do this.
I'm looking for answers. The old books, the old catalogs the last living daughter who's poppa worked there and who can shed light on it. I don't ever want re- produced or re- pop when the original is out there.
The Fiorelli poster is only good for one inportant thing.
To bring it and hold it up and use that as a point to ask questions about them and listen and write it all down and piece it together. Until I sit in the car with the fellow who cleaned out the factory remaining inventory and I get to see but not touch the contents of the storage unit. The old man who won't talk with me until I go run to a liquor store and bring back bottles of Beefeater gin before I hear the story. To heck with acquiring the bike or poster or parts.

The field trip, the building, and down into the catalogs, and stories.
Then as we all walk out into the yard where all our old tattered bikes that we have found and left there in the morning. After lunch we will see the original paint formulas and color sheets and guess what?
We have the exact colors of Bronze green and Raleigh's polychromatic lilac paint all ready in the shops spray guns and vats and chrome plating procedures and so and so is here to expertly box line it all after it is done and so and so is also here with original decals and copies are made in the old way so expertly as it is was ever done.
So all the old frames are re- stored so well, that to look at the machine you would swear it was 1932 all over again. New, as in catalog picture new. Like it left the shop.

I wish restoring a bike was like that. Instead it is sometimes a minefield and shipping alone is trouble often with mashed stays and slit boxes and lost bikes floating around in outer space because the U.P.S. shuttle left the hatch open!
I want to be led down into the basements or climb attics or travel and see the son who has the keys and I want to remember to ask who else to talk with and I want to photograph the building or lot today and compare it to pictures the old fellow let me copy. Yes, bring some funds and don't put your foot in the deal and do bring back the bike add to a collection yes, That's good. Go to the Cirque and meet folks as a matter of course.
Still much more importantly, bring back the history before it is lost.

Everything I mentioned here is elementary ground work in chasing antiques or bikes or whatever. What drives me is the learning and seeing and experiencing more than the almighty dollar bill that comes out of flipping it. I want to enjoy it, to have and admire. Knowing that I saved it and that I can tell about it and answer somebody's future questions on it because I was there and made notes and that I save it from landfil.
Is finding and selling something as far of a part of being part of the: (whatever this is) regarding vintage bikes as you want to be? Not me!

Sure, the fellow is a rich and the art work is not for sale and I may look and not touch. I could photograph it. I asked, Yes it's nice but what do you know about them?
He didn't care and there were other things to boast about.
Owning the poster is nowhere as cool as walking thru the building where the thing was made or meeting the guy that drew it. I want the original artwork poster and not the common copy. Best is learning enough so I can write a book about it.
This is like looking at picture books and hearing the treasure hunting tales and stories of ships laden down with gold and not diving down and bringing it up. I want to see and touch the history of a time past like they do. I'll risk the stormy seas and huge sharks.

I sent a bike to a pal and he sold it and I could not believe that he let that beautiful bike go. It was supposed to be for his daughter and instead it went to the city and so and so sold it for "pocket money"
I could have done that myself. I let things go and see them again all covered with dust and the guy doesn't care to keep them clean let alone ride them. I teach and he goes out and I never see pictures or hear the tales of adventure and I was not invited along and then he puts his foot in the oportunity blowing it for anybody to follow. Hearing about something is never as good as being the one doing it yourself.

AGE / VALUE:   What do I have? posted by: CMK on 6/2/2003 at 11:05:28 PM
I just found this old Phillips bike. I have no idea what year it is or most anything else about it. It has rod brakes and the frame is red (or was). Its a single speed mens bike, that also (had) white fenders. Does anybody know its value or even how old it is, I think its pre 1970 because its a nottingham. Please tell me if you know anything about this bike!

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AGE / VALUE:   Sean Connery's bike from movie: Finding Forrester posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 6/2/2003 at 5:50:50 PM
The Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. that Sean Connery rides at the end of the movie "Finding Forrester."
Who has that bike now?
Filmed in New York and likely a prop bike that somebody lent out, where is it today.
It's the basic bike and nothing too special in the realm of these magical machines still who has it?
The bike now has cool history.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sean Connery's bike from movie: Finding Forrester posted by Movie man on 6/3/2003 at 11:00:16 AM
There are many hundreds of these bikes in Hollywood. But you don't see them in the streets. They are in wearhouses. There are many prop firms that have them available. They keep them for use in period movies. The studios can rent as many as they need. Quite a few are like brand new. If you have some particular bicycle model (or anything else for that matter)that you need for a film, the prop department gets in touch with one of these companies, and they always have what you need, or will find one. There are many natty ones as well. Not everyone had a brand new bike in the old days, eh?. Have you seen Angela's Ashes?

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sean Connery's bike from movie: Finding Forrester posted by Chris on 6/3/2003 at 4:42:21 PM
Thanks for the reply.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sean Connery's bike from movie: Finding Forrester posted by Movie man on 6/4/2003 at 1:51:20 AM
The ah point is that that particular bike is in fact sitting in a wearhouse somewhere in Hollywood, or possibly even in say North Jersey, and someday the company that has it may sell it to make room for some other thing( they may switch their specialty). It does in fact happen all the time. That's how the car (or rather one of the cars)that was used in "The Dukes of Hazard" found it's way into some lucky bum's collection. They wanted to make room for some other car, so they auctioned it. You might want to try writing the production company that made the film(Laurence Mark in association with Fountainbridge films) , and simply ask them for the number of the prop company they used for the film. It's not impossible they might sell it. Probably would be costlier than what you already have though, but who knows?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sean Connery's bike from movie: Finding Forrester posted by Max M. on 6/4/2003 at 4:21:59 AM
Speaking of the "Dukes of Hazard"...
'Cooter,' the mechanic, has one of the General Lee cars from the show at his place in Virginia near Shenandoah Nat. Park. He is a politician now and has Blue Grass bands there on the weekends. Just thought I would throw that in ;-)

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sean Connery's bike from movie: Finding Forrester posted by Ted on 6/4/2003 at 7:53:00 PM
Thanks for the info about Sean's bike. Which type of bike it was has been a question that's been on my mind for awhile. I had a feeling that it was a Raleigh!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sean Connery's bike from movie: Finding Forrester posted by Chris on 6/5/2003 at 8:11:17 PM
The bike in question was a Raleigh Tourist D.L.1. A 28 inch wheel,rod brake roadster bicycle with a Brooks B- 66. I think it may have had the enclosed chaincase but maybe not. I'd have to look at the movie again.

FOR SALE:   Need Raleigh Roadster parts posted by: Ray on 6/2/2003 at 2:34:02 PM
I have some parts from a roadster that I parted out because I needed some parts myself. I know quite often you may need a part of two and these are getting harder and harder to find. Take a look at this then click on my other auctions and you will see the other items. Enjoy and thanks for looking.

AGE / VALUE:   What kind of Raleigh/Carlton do I have? posted by: Lance Renault on 6/1/2003 at 6:40:40 PM
I'm not sure if this is a roadster, but I have a Raleigh Carlton 15 speed that I bought new in 1967 or 68. The metal plate on the head tube says Raleigh - Nottingham, but Carlton is the only name on the tubes. It's a beautiful red frame with wide black bands on the tubes in which "Carlton" is written in white. "GB" is molded into the casting on the handlebar stem. The handlbar is embossed with GB on one side and and an outline of the British Isles on the other side. I don't see a model name written anywhere. On the rear fork beside the wheel slot is stamped W8773 which I assume is a serial number. A sticker on seat tube indicates 531 alloy. The original derailleur was a Simplex and the original wheels were steel. The tube fittings are all chrome. It's a classy bike, or was in it's day.

Please tell me what I have in terms of age and value.

Lance Renault

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What kind of Raleigh/Carlton do I have? posted by Lance Renault on 6/1/2003 at 9:45:41 PM
Oops! Following up my earlier posting today regarding the Raleigh Carlton, I discovered that the model is a Carlton Catalina as indicated on the top cross tube.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   What kind of Raleigh/Carlton do I have? posted by David on 6/1/2003 at 11:43:17 PM
It's not a "roadster." Try the Vintage Lightweights forum on this site - you'll find knowledgeable comment there. It sounds like a good-quality lightweight touring bike; gearing is 3 chainrings x 5-speed cluster, right?

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Need info on Sportcrest posted by: Jeff on 6/1/2003 at 4:09:30 PM
I found a bike with a Made in England decal on the head tube and a Sportcrest emblem. I haven't been able to find information on Sportcrest and the hub has been changed from a Sturmey-Archer to a Schwinn. I'd like to find information about Sportcrest, the date of the bike, and restoration information, this is my first venture into vintage bicycles.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Need info on Sportcrest posted by David on 6/1/2003 at 11:45:45 PM
"Sportcrest" sounds like another private-branded bike for export. Probably built by Raleigh, since so many of them were!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Lenton Sports pedals posted by: Ward Davis on 6/1/2003 at 3:20:43 PM
Hello all. Does anyone know the exact specs on pedals for a Lenton Sports that I am restoring? Any help would be very much appreciated. I cannot tell from any of the online catalogs or info. Thanks.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Lenton Sports pedals posted by P.C. Kohler on 6/1/2003 at 8:03:48 PM
Ward... check Roll Britannia, Files Section, for the Rudge "exploded" diagram parts book. The Raleigh Lenton Sports 28 would be the Rudge Pathfinder model 128. These type of "quill" pattern pedals come up on eBay with some frequency or check Peter Paine in the UK.

P.C. Kohler

MISC:   New Website posted by: Geo on 6/1/2003 at 2:23:35 AM
My father and I are casual collectors of bicycles, mainly British. We put together a kind of parody site that features some of the bikes in our collection. Thought we'd invite you people over


p.s. photo's will be updated with higher quality soon

AGE / VALUE:   Stuck handlebars? posted by: Chris on 5/31/2003 at 4:48:05 PM
The trip to the woodshed was fun! I found a old Raleigh Sports and I picked it up for $10.00
There was a Sturmey- Archer oil metal can 3/4 th's full and that was thrown in the deal for free.
The bike is so rusty it is unreal to look at. Really bugs me too because I love these.
I'll save it for the few parts that are still usable. I get it home and I'm mad at myself for even bothering with it but them I think of thre oil can and the grips and the alloy propstand and the saddle bag and everything is cool. Plus the experience of finding it and the house was way cool!

If I use liberal amounts of ammonia the handlebars will come unstuck. Ammonia works like magic on rusted, frozen parts.
Resisting the urget to just heave it. Some parts will be salvaged like the rear reflector and front fork. Nice, tall stem but the chrome is shot.
The metal oil can was part of the deal and that's the best part with the long spout.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Stuck handlebars? posted by Chris on 6/2/2003 at 5:30:11 PM
The rear wheel is usable as the chrome is not peeled or lifted up.
Bike looks awful with the bronze green turned into a mutant military green. Yeach!
I have been finding oil cans every so often these days!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bitten by the Vintage Bike Bug! posted by: Ted on 5/30/2003 at 5:27:36 PM
Recently I was given an old 3-speed bike that someone didn't want. To them it was "just a bike taking up space" so they couldn't appreciate what they had. But after some cleaning of the bike and some research into its history, I've discovered that I've been given a 1954 Raleigh Sports bike!!! :)

I'm most impressed with the high level of quality that these old bikes have. It's very comfortable to ride on all sorts of terrain. The rims are still true and the rust came off pretty easily. The chrome is as shiny now as the day that it rolled out of the factory. Except for the fact that the person that had given it to me had spraypainted most of it green :( the restoration process has been smooth and easy. These rigs were definitely built to last!

What I want to do is return it to its original colour which still can be seen on the sections of the frame that are free of paint and I'm hoping to replace the decals that have been covered up. Does anyone know if these decals can still be had? I will post pictures of the bike on my website ASAP.

Has anyone here ever had to totally repaint an old bike? If you have, how did you do it, how easy was it to find the original colour and how much did the process cost?

Here are some of the articles that I found helpful during my research of my treasure:




Here is my website URL:


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bitten by the Vintage Bike Bug! posted by Bryan on 5/30/2003 at 9:26:18 PM
Here's the good news: Nice find! Here's the bad news: it will probably be cost prohibitive to have the bike professionally refinished. If you scan this website you will see that bike repainting is one of those subjects that comes up from time to time and everyone is unhappy with it. Basically your choices are (from least to most costly) to do it yourself, have an automotive painter do it, or contract a specialized bicycle painter. Doing it yourself usually looks that way. While I love a nice shiny bike as much as the next guy, in my opinion it is usually best to leave old Raleighs as you found them rather than contributing to their further decline. Enjoy your new ride!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bitten by the Vintage Bike Bug! posted by Warren on 5/30/2003 at 10:28:24 PM
Exactly...for the cost of a professional repaint, you should be able to buy two late 50's Sports models in good original condition. Have fun, repaint it yourself if you want but don't sink huge sums of money into it...save your pennies for the next project.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bitten by the Vintage Bike Bug! posted by Ted on 5/31/2003 at 8:44:12 PM
Thanks for the advice. I guess that I'm going to have to leave it "spraypaint green" unless of course I can luck out a second time and someone gives me painting equipment! ;) By the way, I have used SA30 motor oil in the rear hub. Will my bike be okay? It's running fine now without any problems, but I want to be sure that this is an appropriate viscosity oil for my rear hub.


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Bitten by the Vintage Bike Bug! posted by P.C. Kohler on 5/31/2003 at 9:48:23 PM
At the risk of starting the tedious debate on oil all over (oh, why not we all love this!)... PLEASE do NOT use motor oil in S/A hubs. This is not a motor. And never ever use 3-in-1. Ever.

Use Sturmey Archer oil (which you doubters will be pleased to know is now NO longer manufactured) OR Singer Sewing Machine oil. Anything else is gummy or too thick. What works fine now won't after awhile. You might flush the hub with WD-40 to get rid of the motor oil first. A hub that has been properly oiled with S/A oil will be absolutely clean inside as the oil evaporates with no residue whatsoever. Sewing machine oil has the same properties.

Me, I am on the hunt for a stash of Sturmey-Archer oil... Harris Cyclery which was the last easy source for it has no more and no more stock is being made. A tragedy.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Bitten by the Vintage Bike Bug! posted by Warren on 5/31/2003 at 10:57:50 PM
I have a new oil theory passed along to me by a mentor. Use a straight 10 weight oil. It is very thin...has no detergents and is dirt cheap..one litre (or quart) should do you for a couple of decades. It is used in power tools with oil baths...old scroll saws and worm drive skill saws. Doesn't gum up I'm told.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Bitten by the Vintage Bike Bug! posted by Edward in Vancouver on 6/1/2003 at 4:13:15 AM
So you got bitten, congrats! You will find little patches of original colour on your bike where the previous owner was too lazy to paint. Try removing the kickstand and have a peek, or loosening one of the cable clamps, sliding it forward, and have a peek. And if you're in a good mood, try gently rubbing a patch of the bike with a wet S.O.S. pad, GENTLY. If the bike was dirty or greasy before the previous owner painted it, you might have a chance of removing the spray paint. Glad you found this site, it helped me alot.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Sturmey- Archer cycle oil posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 6/2/2003 at 5:35:29 PM
This is a thing to chase!
Where was this oil being made?
Who made it for Raleigh or Sturmey- Archer or Derby or whoever was in charge?
Who? where? how?
Can somebody else pick this up? purchase the rights to the name in this way and get the company to release the formula and heck, make it again!

There is a market for it with millions of Sturmey- Archer hub in use worldwide!

This is a thing to find out about!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Sturmey- Archer cycle oil posted by Chris on 6/2/2003 at 5:56:47 PM
This is like a diamond ring dropped down the sink. One takes apart the plumbing to retrieve it!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Sturmey- Archer cycle oil posted by Ted on 6/3/2003 at 1:15:10 PM
“Older 3-speeds were intended for oil lubrication. A bike meant for oil lubrication will have an oil hole in the front hub, covered by a spring clip around the middle of the hub barrel. The bottom bracket will also often have an oil cap. Bikes so equipped should be oiled regularly with a moderately heavy oil, such as Phil Wood, or automotive motor oil. Don't use too much, or you will make a mess, and don't use thin oils or sprays because they don't last long enough.”

(from Sheldon’s article at http://www.sheldonbrown.com/english-3.html)

This is where I got the idea to use the SA30. I’ve never done this before so I thought that the 30 would be fine. If sewing machine oil is okay then that will be super-easy for me to get.

I can tell exactly what the original colour of my bike is because most of the top tube wasn’t covered by the spraypaint. It was the dark metallic brown colour, Coffee. I’m having some luck in gently scratching off the spraypaint in some areas. Tedious but worth it and not quite as bad as having to chase that diamond ring down the pipes… but almost!