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Archived: English Roadsters

AGE / VALUE:   enclosed guard on ebay posted by: sam on 7/4/2003 at 9:37:03 PM
No rela.--not my act.Etc. Nice guard for those 26" bikes http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2182404979&category=420

FOR SALE:   Austrian three speed posted by: J. M. Vernooy on 7/4/2003 at 12:40:57 PM
Austrian J. C. Higgins men's three speed for sale on Ebay . Not my auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2542540452&category=12&rd=1
That said, I'm sorry if anyone here takes exception to my mentioning an Austrian cousin to an English roadster here. The reason I am doing it is that I received an email, about six months ago, asking me if I knew of any of these for sale. I told him I would watch for one and then lost his address. I have posted the info on my website also. If anyone here objects to me mentioning this Austrian bicycle here let me know and I promise to only mention English bicycles here in the future.
It isn't in A1 condition and I'll warn you here that someone has replaced some parts and even put a banana seat on it. Again, I have nothing to do with that bicycle nor the auction, (nor the banana seat especialy).
To some these Austrian bicycles may not seem as nice as English bicycles, as I recall someone here remarking. But the three speed hub on them is nearly the same as a Sturmey Archer AW. I prefer the English bicycles too, but I don't think that the Austian ones are that bad.
While Im here may I ask, does anyone know if the J. C. Higgins branded three speed hub is part for part interchangeable with the AW and did they pay Sturmey Archer for their copy of it?

AGE / VALUE:   I wish these were put on the internet to see posted by: sam on 7/4/2003 at 3:59:14 AM

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Sturmey AS Hub posted by: Bryan Masone on 7/3/2003 at 9:33:49 PM
Hi guys, another question... Upon closer examination I've found that the 1958 Raleigh we found last week has a Sturmey ARcher AS hub. How does this differ from the AW hub thats on all my other 3 speeds?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Sturmey AS Hub posted by Edward in Vancouver on 7/4/2003 at 5:10:30 AM
Are you sure its stamped AS? I know of AC, AF, AG, AM, AR, and the ultra-rare ASC hubs, but have never heard of an AS hub yet

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Sturmey AS Hub posted by Bryan Masone on 7/4/2003 at 8:59:39 PM
I'll check again tonight to confirm the marking.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Sturmey AS Hub posted by Bryan Masone on 7/7/2003 at 8:44:40 PM
sorry....its a Sturmey Archer SW hub. A first for my collection.

AGE / VALUE:   ARMSTRONG Rod Brake Roadster posted by: mike on 7/3/2003 at 2:40:21 PM
Hi, anybody know anything about Armstrong brand bicycles? I have an old one with rod brakes and a full-chain guard. It's all black and has a Sturmey-Archer hub, although that could have been added later.

thanks! Mike

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: ARMSTRONG Rod Brake Roadster posted by mike on 7/7/2003 at 2:45:32 PM

   RE:AGE / VALUE: ARMSTRONG Rod Brake Roadster posted by P.C. Kohler on 7/4/2003 at 3:59:25 AM
You ever tried to do a Goggle search using "Armstrong" and "Bicycle" and not want THAT Armstrong or THOSE bicycles? Good luck!!

Armstrong were one of the many Birmingham-based cycle manufacturers (Hercules, Phillips and Sun were the other big ones) and occupied a comfortable middle of the food chain position quality-wise. They are best known for their wonderfully named "Moth" club bikes of the 1950s and 1960s which had 531 Reynolds tubing, lovely lugwork and generally quality components.

Martin's Bike site (worth checking out) has two Moths, including this gorgeous 1959 speciman:


Just don't do a Google search!! 5975 matches for Armstrong and Bicycle and counting!!


P.C. Kohler

MISC:   I am always surprised posted by: Kim on 7/3/2003 at 12:01:32 PM
I come to oldroads maybe once a month. I manage a bike shop and don't have a lot of access to a computer.

What amazes me is when people post questions looking for parts, and no on realizes or mentions you can get those parts right here on this site. This morning alone I see people looking for a 3-speed chain, 28 x 1 1/2 tires, 28 x 1 1/2 tubes and rod brake pads asking "where can I find them?" And no one says "right here, baby!"

I dunno, maybe someone needs to teach oldroads about retail and marketing...

   RE:MISC:   I am always surprised posted by Chris on 7/3/2003 at 10:40:57 PM
Thanks. We will keep this in mind and endeavor to do better in the future.

   RE:MISC:   I am always surprised posted by Bryan Masone on 7/4/2003 at 9:04:06 PM
I must admit I am guilty of this... A few months ago I posted asking about a replacement brake for my Raleigh Sports. No one answered, but I did find a few on ebay. I ended up buying a used one from Vin (the proprietor of this website) after I realized he had the EXACT model I needed, at half the price it went for on ebay. Now I always check to see what VVVintage has before I look elsewhere.

AGE / VALUE:   no spell check here (women's Lenton Sport) posted by: smitty on 7/3/2003 at 3:43:43 AM
Thanks for the info on the Woods valve. Not sure if I will actually use them or keep them for photo shoots only. Will probably try to install them. As for the fenders, I still have them and they are aluminium. There is a 1959 Lenton Sport at a local bike shop with the same fenders. So I'm thinking that the one I have may be newer than a 1951. As you can see, my spelling/grammar is better as my wife is writing this for me. I'm just a mechanic. Also, the '59 Lenton Sport at the bike shop is for sale. It is fairly complete but the frame is in rough shape. Do you think it is worth a $100.00? Are the old club bikes somewhat rare and worth more? Thanks! Smitty

WANTED:   Brake and Lever posted by: Ben on 7/3/2003 at 3:53:23 AM
To all concerned:

I am taking the dad-burned coaster hub out of a Space Rider rear wheel and adding a rear caliper brake. Does anyone have a rear caliper and lever for a 50's - 60's raleigh bike I can purchase?

Thanks in advance,


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cha-cha-chain..... posted by: Ben on 7/3/2003 at 3:47:57 AM
Hey, y'all...I should be able to figure this out but I think it's time to mine the intelligence of the group on this delicate subject.

I have a 1959 Phillips roadster. What is a good replacemet chain for this? The original is still on the bike, and I can probably bring it back to spec some, but looking ahead.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cha-cha-chain..... posted by Max M. on 7/3/2003 at 5:08:57 AM
Well my Phillips rod brake came with a Coventry)brand)chain. I soaked it in Park chainbrite and it looked like it was new. Great stuff for cleaning and leaves a nice coating. Since it was enclosed gearcase it still looks brand new. The new options are things like SRAM and Shimano who both offer single speed chains for their internal geared hubs.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cha-cha-chain..... posted by Kim on 7/3/2003 at 11:54:05 AM
Just get the chains they sell on this site under "Parts For Sale" at the top of the page. They're under $10.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Cha-cha-chain..... posted by Kim on 7/3/2003 at 11:55:54 AM
They are in the "New Aftermarket Parts" section....

AGE / VALUE:   Help posted by: sam on 7/3/2003 at 2:07:22 AM
Any of ya'll in the Philadelphia area want to chase down a lead on an old(maybe 1920s)raleigh and help an old man(81 years old) with a sick wife find a good home for an old friend(his bike)He says it ths an enclosed chainguard. his email is dgbarry@aol.com ----sam

AGE / VALUE:    The Flying Scot is making me go into shock posted by: Chris on 7/2/2003 at 8:03:17 PM
Pictures arrived at last! I think I just may pull this one off.
I am stunned at finding this. Reaching up and bringing it down, I gasped. Telling myself I am not worthy and trying to keep breathing in and breathing out!
Reading everything at the Flying Scot web page has just been delightful.

A marvelous piece of work that Bob has labored over. I'm excited about soon being the next owner and I will even get to send in pictures to Bob's picture database!

AGE / VALUE:   Motorized scooters! posted by: Chris on 7/2/2003 at 7:59:33 PM
They are about $200.00 and charge overnight. Speeds no faster than 9 miles per hour.

However not made to be locked and few will let you bring it into a business or wherever but these are way cool.

AGE / VALUE:   Behr brand concrete cleaner posted by: Chris on 7/2/2003 at 7:56:41 PM
This stuff is awesome for cleaning chromed cranks. It gets in the crevices like nobody's business and the stuff glimmers!
Dissolves 28 year old hardened grease and gunk.
parts shine like new!

AGE / VALUE:   Cool, old school Shimano cables! posted by: Chris on 7/2/2003 at 7:51:54 PM
Forgive my guys. I am removing original brakes and brake leavers and subsituting alloy brake leavers and alloy brakes.
I have been using up these way cool, thick, thicker cable type brake cables the Shimano ones with the ball end!
The alloy part that fits in the ends of the Weinmann brakes is thick and beefy and longer.
I just love these cables.

MISC:   Hey you English Bloks posted by: Ray on 7/2/2003 at 3:50:32 PM
Two things to discuss today and first let me apologize for my first question about a Brit car. I ran across a car that looked pretty much like an Austin Healey from the 60s but the name on it was Sutton. Anyone hear of it, I tried the Brit car sites and could find nothing. On the second note more bicycle related. I just happened upon a Herculese bike that I have not yet been able to date. The hub even though it looks like an SA is marked with the Herculese logo and no date near as I can tell. It is a beautiful deep green with gold/yellow pin striping. Enclosed chain case and rod brakes with a Herculese mattress saddle. Nice green Herculese grips on this 26 inch wheel bike and a matching green frame pump. Great Herculese pedals also. Just needs some cleaning and re-greasing and will be road worth soon. Any hints on how I can date it? Looks to be 60s to me.

   RE:MISC:   Hey you English Bloks posted by Matthew on 7/2/2003 at 6:19:11 PM
Its a Dutton I guess? Still made in the UK asd kit cars with the retro look. Based on Fords.

   RE:MISC:   Hey you English Bloks posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 7/2/2003 at 8:16:22 PM
Open up the bottombracket and on the spindle will be a date!
Mine is stamped 3-60!

Sounds awesome! I love these!

   RE:RE:MISC:   Hey you English Bloks posted by Phil on 7/3/2003 at 6:17:39 AM
Is that on a Hercules that you found the date on the bottombracket spindle?
I'm curious because I have a Mercury (built by Hercules, pretty sure) with a Hercules hub with no date. Other info tells me the bike is pre-1956 but this is not certain. My brother has a Mercury with Hercules hub that, IIRC, *is* dated late 1958. (We know that this bike was bought in Spring 1959 because said brother got it for his 10th birthday!).