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Archived: English Roadsters

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Case of the Oscillating Rudge posted by: Rob on 7/9/2003 at 2:59:14 AM
After reading the list for a while, I decided it was time to introduce myself - hello! - and ask a couple of questions. I have an old rod-brake Rudge I'm trying to revive; not sure how old, the fellow I bought it from replaced the hub in 1980, but it does have an oil port for the bottom bracket, so that's question number one: how much and how often? More importantly, this bike has a distiinct oscillation whenever I ride it. It will veer madly left, then sway right as I try to correct it. The rims are in good shape and to my (untrained) eye the fork looks OK too. I know English bikes wobble, but this is far more pronounced than anything I've ever seen before. Any ideas what I'm dealing with here? - or suggestions as to what I can have a mechanic check? Thanks in advance, Rob

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Case of the Oscillating Rudge posted by Warren on 7/9/2003 at 3:51:33 AM
A good mechanic will know...but how do you know if the mechanic is good?

Something on that frame is not kosher. Do the wheels line up with eack other? Is the rear wheel centred in the rear triangle? It really sounds like the front fork is "hung". Run you fingers along the underside of the downtube starting at the headtube. Any rippling of the metal indicates a head on collision. Remove the fork and look at the steerer for any distortion or twisting.

Don't worry about the oiler...learn how to rebuild your bottom bracket with grease and new bearings...after you find out how significantly your frame is damaged.

English bikes don't wobble...drunken englishmen on bikes wobble...don't ask me how I know.

That's a joke Albert!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Case of the Oscillating Rudge posted by Edward in Vancouver on 7/9/2003 at 4:22:05 AM
Before you take your bike to a mechanic, here's a simple test: Walk the bike over a large puddle of water, ensuring that both tires are completely wet, then walk the bike in a straight line. Now look at the tracks it makes on dry pavement. Does it make only one line or two? If it makes two, then as Warren suggests, it probably has frame problems

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Case of the Oscillating Rudge posted by sam on 7/9/2003 at 7:37:51 PM
The Albert joke was funny--to me at least.The water puddle advise is cheep ,I like that.Sence Rob said "old rudge" I'd rebuild(replace barrings)the front hub and head set.Using the "one ball less "rule then see if it's right.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Case of the Oscillating Rudge posted by Chris on 7/10/2003 at 10:31:58 PM
Don't say that name!

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The Case of the Oscillating Rudge posted by Rob on 7/12/2003 at 3:07:23 AM
Thanks everyone for the advice, and the joke - which I enjoyed thoroughly! I have a feeling this will be my first tear-down and rebuild effort - and no doubt the rider will need to be lubricated, as well as the machine...

AGE / VALUE:   A L/W bike worth a look posted by: sam on 7/9/2003 at 1:17:40 AM
An interesting English design http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2182954043&category=420

AGE / VALUE:   The bike in the garage wants a word with you. posted by: Chris on 7/8/2003 at 9:07:29 PM
"Hey you!! Yes, You! Are you going to ride me?
I see you going back and forth and you are not riding me!
Hey! I'm speaking to you here! Get back here!
Why don't you pack up some things and go see the country with me? Load me down and get your act together and lets go!
The whole country is set before my front wheel! I have a new Brooks B- 90/3 saddle!
Why wait? One day you'll be too old or sick to do this. It'll do you some good. You poor, worried, tortured soul.
Lets go! Please? Forget about it! stop worrying! There are places and people and experiences and you ain't getting any younger. I'm a lightweight touring bicycle! I was not made to sit here to be looked at! They worked hard to build me. What good is all this stuff if it is never used? You gave me new tires, but they sit on my rims still new! This new vinatge bike the truck just dropped off, is it going to sit with the rest of us and never be ridden either? You go get those travelers checks and get me packed up and be ready to leave in two days. Just tell them you'll be back in 6-8 months. No excuses!
I was just overhauled. Stop your excuses and lets go!
We all wanna be ridden and not just looked at!
I'm in better shape than you are and I'm 58 years old! Mr. Flabby belly and saggy legs! Yea! Lookit at you! We don't want to be collected by somebody who looks like you! You better get into shape or else were leaving! The Hercules over there, it knows how to open up the door and we can get off of these hooks if we need to!
The latest bike wants to know when it'll race again and are you going to be the one to race it?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   The bike in the garage wants a word with you. posted by Bryan Masone on 7/10/2003 at 8:46:45 PM
Good advice, Chris!! I wish more people would USE their bikes. And those that don't, well I wish they'd give their bikes to me. The nice ones anyway.

This brings up one of my recurring fantasies. I am transfixed on the idea of riding one of my vintage English bikes across the country (USA). I already ride 30-40 miles or more per day as part of my commute to work, and many many more miles at night and on the weekends. When the stress at work gets to be too much, I unwind by picturing myself, like that scene in Forrest Gump where he is running across the country joined by hundreds of people, leisurely pedaling across the country with butterflies and serenity as my companions. One of these days....

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Sprite posted by: Gralyn on 7/8/2003 at 5:17:50 PM
I usually post on the Vintage Lightweights - but I'm thinking that a Raleigh Sprite falls under the English Roadster category. Anyway, I was making my usual rounds - nothing but department store ladies models and old department store MTN bikes.....but there was one sitting out separate from the others....I just assumed it was someone's transportation.....but I thought I would kinda look it over as I left - but as it turns out - it was there for sale also....and was $20. It was brown, had brown fenders, upright touring-type bars, a luggage rack, a headlight, ...and I believe it had a chain guard.....I believe it was a hub-gear bike. Also, the front hub.....it looks like it has maybe a generator incorporated into the hub.

Is this the kind of bike that has any collectability? Are they very plentious....and $20 is about the going rate? I have no idea....but it looked like it would be a cool bike to ride.

I didn't really have anymore money....or any room to spare (that is until I thin out my herd some). I may go back later - and it will be gone. But I thought I would post - just to get an idea from others with experience in this area.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Sprite posted by Ed on 7/8/2003 at 6:09:20 PM
It's my understanding that the Raleigh Sprite equiped with dyno and rear rack would have been a popular mid range model,however most Sprites that I have seen have been ten speeds. Not a big deal also my memory may be faulty in this respect. I wish that bike was in this area . I would gladly rush over and pay $20.00 for it and feel like I had gotten quite a bargain.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Sprite posted by Chris on 7/8/2003 at 8:48:57 PM
Me too, especially if it had the dynohub kit.
A Raleigh Sprite can be a 26 inch wheel dynohub equiped type bike.
The name also went on 5 speed hub versions and 5 and 10 speed derailer type bikes.
Find another 20.00 and buy it!
Stash it someplace, like with a friend at his house!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Sprite posted by Bryan Masone on 7/8/2003 at 9:19:33 PM
The Raleigh Sprite indeed may be a 10 speed type bike, but also in 1967 it was produced with a Sturmey Archer 5 speed rear hub. I have this model, and it is set up very similar to a Raleigh Sport. I consider it a "sportscar" version of the Sport, because of the 5 gears, and due to the fact that my Sprite has a bit quicker steering than any of my other Raleigh or Humber Sport model bicycles. In my opinion, any English bicycle is worth $20, even if for parts. Buy it.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Sprite posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/9/2003 at 2:10:59 AM
Sounds like a find to me as well. Especially if it's a 26" internally geared 5-speed. I currently have three Sprites in my possession. Two 5-speed derailleurs and a 10 speed as well. One has the chainguard and is kinda neat. The other is a ladies 10-speed. The third is HUGE. Biggest frame I've ever seen. Probably too big for me.. but I like riding it.

Well stated prior to this post. Any English Roadster is worht $20.

Buy it. Restore it if you like. Or if nothing else, just clean it up and RIDE it. You might be surprised the looks you get riding any English Roadster.



   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Sprite posted by Gralyn on 7/9/2003 at 11:34:45 AM
I think I will stop by today......if my some miracle it is still there - I think I will pick it up.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Sprite posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/9/2003 at 5:00:16 PM
Excellent! Let us know how you make out.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Sprite posted by Fred on 7/9/2003 at 6:19:31 PM
There was also model named, "Sprite Three" with 3 speed hub. The model name was spelled out in large letters located on the down tube. Looks just like any other Sport

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Sprite posted by Bryan Masone on 7/10/2003 at 8:50:04 PM
Get that one too. You'll need it one of these days. Some possible reasons: parts bike, main bike gets stolen, a friend comes over and wants to join you on a ride, etc...

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Sprite posted by Chris on 7/11/2003 at 5:49:55 PM
If you have a 27 inch wheel Raleigh Sprite with the derailer gears and Huret derailer and if it is not a 5 speed 26 inch wheel bike then do not invite me over if you like the bike staying intact.
I just love to rip those apart. The 26 inch wheel hub gear bikes I keep intact.
I would buy it from you and take it home and rip it apart for the parts. The 27 inch wheel Sprites as is most of the 10 speed Raleigh's with those wonderful parts, they all shriek in horror when they see me comming. With exception of my curbpicked green mixte ladies Sprite. That one is intact and now with 28 X 1 5/8 wheels. I heared it's pleas to be left intact and took pity on it and I hopped it up.
Gold lining and a lovely shade of green!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Sprite posted by Pete on 11/15/2004 at 9:39:21 PM
I have two Raleigh sprite 27 in great condtion! how much are they worth?

MISC:   (Off topic?) S/A gears for Pastry chefs posted by: Edward in Vancouver on 7/8/2003 at 4:13:49 AM
One of my pastry guys was whining at me today about the extravagant amount of "Grunt work" involved in crimping pastry layers together with the tines of a fork. I do feel sorry for him, but that's life, and besides he'd better hurry and get the other 449 pieces done.

I thought about it, and knew there was a proper tool for the job, so I pulled out a pastry tool catalouge had a peek, and groaned. $89.00 for a plastic handle with what looked for all the world like a S/A sun pinion at the bottom. Too late, my brain's ticking like a clock again.

Freed the sun pinion off a bent AW axle and ground the shoulder with the rivet hole off. A piece of 3/8 brass tubing slid nicely into where the axle had been, and an old Weinman adjusting barrel fit perfectly into the tubing. Riveted the whole thing together to an old pizza wheel handle with some copper rivets I had left over from my Brooks saddle experiments. Almost as much fun as stuffing leeches into Wood's valves...

   RE:MISC:   (Off topic?) S/A gears for Pastry chefs posted by Warren on 7/8/2003 at 12:45:25 PM
I hope you're using lard for that crust....

   RE:MISC:   (Off topic?) S/A gears for Pastry chefs posted by Ben on 7/8/2003 at 12:49:34 PM
Yes..better not be 3-in-1 oil....

   RE:RE:MISC:   Edward has foundf his calling and will soon be a stinking rich Canadian posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 7/8/2003 at 8:57:19 PM
Now Edward, go out there and market that tool for pastry chefs all over the planet and sell yours for less than what is in the catalog. Be crazy enough to try it get that "sensible" thought of it would never sell out of your head. Do it anyways!

I was sitting in a restaurant and I whined aloud
"Why don't they have flavored hummous?"
This guy next to us exclaimed,

"Hey, Yeah!" I turned around and looked at him and told him it was a stupid idea and don't listen to me but he's all excited and he told me that he owned a restaurant that is a compettitor of the one we were at and he was going to go back and make some and sell it himself.
Now it's a big thing!

Got a great idea? Keep it to yourself!!
Anything that is a time and labor saving device is worth it. Time is money and anything that keeps up moralle amongst the help is good too.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Edward has foundf his calling and will soon be a stinking rich Canadian posted by sam on 7/9/2003 at 12:23:48 AM
YES and have it produced in the far east for 8 cents each made from plastic so it will brake and they will need to but another.And keep the Sturmey/Archer one all for your self! ---sam

AGE / VALUE:   (Off topic) It's back, like nothing ever happened. posted by: Chris on 7/7/2003 at 3:25:14 PM
When the paddle boat vanished I remember thinking: "That will be the last of it, it would never be back."
For a while, I was right and the dock where they kept it sat alone and unused and fenced off. Last year I asked about it and I was told: "Oh yes, they have that back in the dump, it's just sitting there."

I said that it should be re- worked and restored and what a great project it would be. He said nothing and I did not get involved or help at all and I forgot all about it.
This year, I looked over wishing to see it and only because others did more than wish, was it there again. There it sits!! I was stunned and I sat there shaking my head. Somebody cared and cared enough to get involved and take it by the horns and pull it out and re- work it. Restored and looking lovely, it sits wafting gently up and down on the waves and tied properly to the dock and ready for use the next evening. It's back and making money for them again! An experience that lived only in memory is back and now kids that were saying "Yeah whatever, grandpa." are going to get to ride on the thing and experience it themselves.
Somebody loved a beat up old paddle boat enough and knowing what a great thing it is, they got in there and fought to save it. It's beautiful!
I'll bet it was not easy or inexpensive but it was certainly worth it!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   (Off topic) It's back, like nothing ever happened. posted by jeff on 7/7/2003 at 7:30:02 PM
I am inquiring about the value of a 1963 ladies Dunult English racer 3-speed.
Please inform with value to the best of your knowlege.
Thank you,

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   (Off topic) It's back, like nothing ever happened. posted by jeff on 7/7/2003 at 7:30:21 PM
I am inquiring about the value of a 1963 ladies Dunult English racer 3-speed.
Please inform with value to the best of your knowlege.
Thank you,

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   (Off topic) It's back, like nothing ever happened. posted by Robert on 7/7/2003 at 7:55:17 PM
It depends on a lot of things. I bought a pretty nice 23" mens framed '64 Dunelt from a pawn shop here in San Antonio for 25.00 last year. Red with white headtube and gold striping. ladies frames are usually worth less. Right now, here on the Oldroads bike sales area, there is a very clean ladies Hercules, with new tires, for 109.00 plus shipping.
Your is most likely somewhere in the middle if it is in "good" condition.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A little confusion maybe.....? posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/7/2003 at 12:56:40 AM
NMA.. etc.


I don't know... this looks more like a DL-1 than a Sports. But I can't make out what the chainguard sez. I might have a poke at this one. Too bad the fenders seem to be gone.



   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A little confusion maybe.....? posted by David on 7/8/2003 at 1:00:29 AM
I asked the seller what the tire sidewall said and he replied that it has "28 x 1.5" tires. I hope he means 28 x 1 1/2!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A little confusion maybe.....? posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/8/2003 at 1:07:48 AM
Well, his description did mention that the tires were labeled as "Raleigh Roadster" units. Mebbe I just presumed that particular moniker was only fer 28" wheels. As far as being 1 1/2 vs. 1.50, well, that's just a matter of tolerances in the engineering of the tire. 1 1/2 (a fractional representation) is usually plus or minus 1/32 of an inch wheres 1.50 would be plus or minus .01

heh heh heh.... ;-)

Hmmmm.. I wonder should I bid on it.... Just my luck, I will WIN the dang thing... and the day after it arrives, I will find another out for the trash or for 10 bucks at a tag sale....

Of course... I wouldn't mind....



   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: A little confusion maybe.....? posted by P.C. Kohler on 7/8/2003 at 2:07:22 AM
Actually, the Dunlop Roadster was made in a variety of sizes including 28 x 1/2, 26 x 1 3/8 etc. What made it a roadster tyre was not the size or the well-known tread pattern but the serrated and extra heavy sidewall band... made for generator dynamo wheels of course.

One of these days someone with a Dunlop Cycle Tyre Catalogue will scan and post to some website. They made dozens of different tyres for all types of machines and purposes. No one has been able to match their quality either although the mid 1960s Michelins were very good.

Tyres are essential to any bicycle's performance and authenticity yet it seems to be a major "missing link" in knowledge and, above all, availability. So many of the tyres for our type of machines are just cheap, Asian-made rubbish. A 60-year-old Dunlop Roadster beats most of them any day! One of my Walter Mitty fantasies to find some dusty warehouse somewhere loaded to the rafters with NOS Dunlops still in that brown paper!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A little confusion maybe.....? posted by Warren on 7/8/2003 at 2:35:20 AM
I would consider that bike a roadster even if it had 26" tyres. Look at the slack angles on the frame...lazy. I'll mention it again, I have an early Hercules ladies roadster with slack angles, rod brakes and EA3 wheels and it rides just like it's big roadster cousins...except you're not as high off the ground. Anyway, that bike is a Tourist for sure.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A little confusion maybe.....? posted by Tom on 7/8/2003 at 11:16:34 AM
I have a ladies loop frame roadster with rod brakes, single speed hub and skirt guard. It has 26 x 1 1/2" Dunlop Roadster tires, maybe originals and very nice shape. Is this a normal size for British tire. I have not seen another of this size. The bike has been painted and has no headbadge so maker is unknown.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A little confusion maybe.....? posted by David on 7/8/2003 at 5:00:11 PM
I refer you to Sheldon's rule of tire sizing: If two tires have nominal dimensions that are mathematically the same, but one is represented as a fraction and one as a decimal, they won't fit the same rim.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: A little confusion maybe.....? posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/8/2003 at 5:02:29 PM
>One of my Walter Mitty fantasies to find some dusty warehouse
>somewhere loaded to the rafters with NOS Dunlops still in that
>brown paper!

The eloquence is wonderful... and the "fantasty"... you bet! Would be a fantastic find!

Thanks for the heads up on the Roadster Tyre size edification.

Alas, P.C.'s statement regarding the "Asian Rubbish" tyres is rather spot on as well. Unfortunately, unless someone comes along that wants to manufacture a DECENT tyre for the olde bikes.... well, I guess we're stuck with it.



   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: A little confusion maybe.....? posted by Chris on 7/8/2003 at 9:05:53 PM
When that fantasy pops up in reality before your very eyes are you:
Going to be ready?
ready with ready money? will you have the nerve to strike up a conversation? leave your number? follow through? stay on it?

Yes. There is enough magic in the moonlight. It is out there, there are wharehouses full of these goodies still.
You have to ask and look and be ready and have desire and guts and faith and determination.

Speak up man. Tell the world you are looking for vintage British bicycle parts.
Anything I ever got out of this crummy world I had to drag out of it, see!

Whatever it is you want, Go out there and get it!
Don't stand there and watch. You are just as good as they are! Why not you?

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: A little confusion maybe.....? posted by Chris on 7/8/2003 at 9:33:55 PM
I have seen the wharehouses full and stashes full of so much goodies that I have gone speachless and he's snapping fingers at me and telling me to say something.
It was not the money I did not know what I wanted to spend it on. This or that?

"Yes, if you apply yourself, maybe in 50 years you will have a collection like mine!"
The dude hard a hard time getting up and down the stairs and was spending less time down in the lair.

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Tourist posted by: D. C. Wilson on 7/6/2003 at 6:36:32 AM
Regarding a rusted, busted rod brake Raleigh Tourist with an 80 on the 3 speed SA hub and pedals with thick rubber loops (a kind of clip, I guess: should I scavenge it for parts for Old Roads folks, or are there plenty of these around for parts already?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Tourist posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 7/7/2003 at 3:17:06 PM
Scavange it for parts these bikes are not seen very often and are rarely seen by the common man.
Today, you find used department store Huffy mountain bikes and few 10 speed type bikes and even fewer Raleigh 3 speeds.

This 28 inch wheel rod brake bike was a good find rusty or no.

AGE / VALUE:   30s Hercules posted by: Dale on 7/5/2003 at 11:46:03 PM
I found a rod brake Hercules at an antique store. Hub is stamped K7, that's a 1930s period, right? It's restorable but all of the rear brake parts and some of the front need to be rechromed. And it looks like the front wheel has been replaced. Needs lots of work.

Question: if this bike were restored what would it be worth? I haven't spoken to the dealer yet, so I don't know what he wants for it. I would do it to have and for the fun of the restoration, but I don't care to lose money on the deal.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   30s Hercules posted by Bryan Masone on 7/7/2003 at 8:39:17 PM
Dale, if you don't want to lose money on the deal, you've picked the wrong hobby! Most of us restore and ride these types of bicycles for enjoyment and sheer satisfaction. While certain models may have more value than others, as a general rule no one is going to get rich off these bikes. Furthermore, many bicycles are actually more valuable unrestored. So, if it looks like fun, I'd advise you to go with the project.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   30s Hercules posted by Dale on 7/8/2003 at 3:52:19 PM
I guess this hinges on whether I want to keep the bike. I can get my roadster riding fix on the Superbe and hook space in the garage is limited. I might just do it for the satisfaction of the restoration -- and out of sheer joy that I'll have the time after just one last class...

BTW, is it expensive to get parts rechromed?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   30s Hercules posted by Bryan Masone on 7/8/2003 at 9:29:11 PM
I hope I didn't sound too much like a kill joy. I was trying to steer you towards getting it on the road, but in the spirit of fun. Rechroming is expensive, and many people are not happy with the results. Check this website for the VVVintage Bicycle Restoration kit. Its cheap, and the restoration oil really shines up old chrome well. I'd try that first before deciding to rechrome. If you do rechrome, you might check with custom motorcycle shops.

FOR SALE:   NOS SA triggers posted by: Warren on 7/5/2003 at 7:33:05 PM
If anyone needs Sturmey three speed triggers, I have some. New in the package, these are the chrome finish with the clear plastic cover. $10 each plus shipping.

AGE / VALUE:   Headset question posted by: David Poston on 7/5/2003 at 6:42:33 PM
OK, I finally did my first headset late last night on my New Hudson 28" roadster. I think I got it mostly right, but a couple things need clearing up:

1) There is a metal ring, not threaded, about 1/8" thick, and I can't figure out where it goes. Does it go between any of the races (top or bottom), where the ball bearings sit, or is it just probably a spacer for the lampbracket to sit above the knurled bearing adjuster nut?

2) What size ball bearings should I get? Are they the same as Phillips? (The originals look smaller than the Raleigh type). My New Hudson may or may not have been manufactured by BSA.

3) How do you keep the knurled adjuster nut from moving when you are tightening the top locknut?

4) I've heard about the "one less" rule on ball bearings, but can I get by for a ride or two with three or four or five less?

I guess that was more than a couple questions.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Headset question posted by Warren on 7/5/2003 at 7:27:09 PM
Hi David...1). the spacer will usually go above the lamp bracket. 2). The same as the ones that are in there. 3). The trick is to tighten them together until the headset is too tight and then back the knurled adjuster into the top nut. This will loosen the headset to the right tension and snug the whole thing up. Use a large plumbers wrench and rags to protect the nut. 4). Three or four or five is too many. The headset may not seat properly and damage the races so get new ones and replace the lot.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Headset question posted by Chris on 7/5/2003 at 7:42:39 PM
Does the metal ring have a spot protruding out of it? This goes in a groove in the fork's top. No groove in the fork's top or no spot in that ring and you are fine. There are both types out there to encounter.

This ring can sometimes replace a lamp bracket and on some bikes they didn't supply a bracket just this one ring.
If you have both a lamp bracket and this ring than you are cool. Both type setups are out there.
The threaded part of the fork top comes up through the bike's headtube and past the one top race that is set inside the bike. Then the screwed type upper race. Then this washer, grooved or not, then the top nut.

Did you save any of the old bearings? Take them into the shop with you.

If it is smaller than Raleigh then you need 1/8 size. If it is Raleigh type then you need 3/32 size.

Stick strictly to the fill it all up and remove one bearing rule. Any less than the exact number is wrong and asking for trouble like binding or freezing, or well, it would just not be right!
Raleigh type is 25 3/32 size on top and 25 on the bottom. Total of 50 loose bearings set in grease.
The smaller type loose bearings I don't know the exact count but just fill it up and remove one. As you assemble this, be sure none drop out or become dislodged. They should sit patiently in the grease while you insert the fork's steer tube in the bike. Do it slowly. A pipe wrench is good if you don't have a large crescent wrench. If using a pite wrench use a rubber jar opener underneath it to prevent marring.
Good Luck!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Headset question posted by Ben on 7/7/2003 at 3:48:15 PM
See, I told you the "two less" question would magically come into play! It's inevitable!


AGE / VALUE:+AKAAoACg-Making it new again is not quick or easy posted by: Chris on 7/5/2003 at 6:18:59 PM
Cotter pin joy.
The pin bent over in the vise. Drilling resulted in broken drill bits, metal shavings on the bench and then more hammering and I stuck a socket into the hole and shoved it back into the vise.
Finally the plug came out and I knocked out the spindle.
The heron crank is toast as is the spindle with it's pitts. I have a wall full of these!
Then the terrible Raleigh fixed cup and now it sits with new bottombracket parts and a shiny new heron crank. Pedals are degumped and threads are dressed and with a 22 tooth cog and new chain and everything is degreased and re-greased and new cables installed and a new shifter and a rear rack added and original style reflectors added. Switched the seat to a B- 66, raised it and the post is cleaned. Oh, added a light kit.
Total overhaul and replacement of all worn parts in the rear hub. New front hub cones and everything there is de-gumped and re- greased and re- set. Hub is adjusted. Wheels are trued.

Finally! It is ready to go.

Opened a box and re- discovered more old friends that will have the honor of going into this miracle parts solvent. The latest winfall of cyclo cogs has me using up Alvits and Svelto's and so more hybrid madness is unfolding. Either I'll finish it or it'll finish me. Green ladies model bike is slated to be the next hybrid bike. The F.W. hub's innards are somewhere.
Visited a pal who bought things from me a few years back and now I own again the wooden cabinet full of small parts. This cabinet and I go way back and it sits there with it's dull brass handles in the shop and I'm happy to have it back.

AGE / VALUE:   DUNELT posted by: Glenn on 7/5/2003 at 2:11:17 AM
Hey Guys,
Thanks for all the help, or causing me another reason to do nothing but look at old bikes. I foun a bike that I was unfamiliar with, just like the Robin Hood you all helped me with before. It is still looking good and riding even better. Oh! I have one for the books I think. I got on the web searching and saw aomething about the Raliegh Factory and some other bicycle related items. I e-mailed and then forgot about it. Two days later I get an e-mail and it was from a department of the BBC. They are actually helping me find the decals, they call them transfers, so I can do a complete re-paint and restoration. Pretty nice of them, I think. Today I found a bike that I had absolutely no knowledge of. It is a Dunelt. Made in England and has a 3 speed and something I never saw before. A Brooks saddle that is mint and blue and white, looking alot like the schwinn seats. The guy is holding it until Saturday for me. I was wondering if it is going to be worth the $15.00 he wants.

Take Care!!!!

MISC:   raleigh roadster 1964 posted by: jay on 7/5/2003 at 1:00:30 AM
this roadster was mentioned a couple of days ago, i think that its won of the nicest examples i`ve ever seen, any coments, i live in Canada and you don`t see roadsters like this.

   RE:RE:MISC:   raleigh roadster 1964 posted by Mike in TX on 7/7/2003 at 6:06:06 PM
Aren't these the same pictures from the www.bikecult.com site, under 'Archive Bicycles' for a '65 model?

   RE:MISC:   raleigh roadster 1964 posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/5/2003 at 1:35:36 AM
Yeah, it's certainly a prime example that. At the time of this post, it's up to $455 and the reserve has yet to be met.

Going to be quite interesting to see what that baby sells for.



MISC:   raleigh roadster 1964 posted by: jay on 7/5/2003 at 1:00:30 AM
this roadster was mentioned a couple of days ago, i think that its won of the nicest examples i`ve ever seen, any coments, i live in Canada and you don`t see roadsters like this. Now i can understand why I love them like i do.