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Archived: English Roadsters

AGE / VALUE:   GB webpage update posted by: Pete on 8/24/2003 at 7:16:43 AM
Hello all I have added a few more items to my GB webpages
at www.oldcyclebits.co.uk

Cheers Pete

AGE / VALUE:   GB webpage update posted by: Pete on 8/24/2003 at 7:16:43 AM
Hello all I have added a few more items to my GB webpages
at www.oldcyclebits.co.uk

Cheers Pete

MISC:   website update posted by: Mark Rehder on 8/24/2003 at 4:57:42 AM
Hey all,

I have finally added some new pages to my website, with one being about my Canadian roadster, a 'Cyco' (CCM) ladies bike from the early 50's (maybe even earlier?). This bike was acquired from the original owner via an intermediary, who also gave me a seat of possibly even earlier vintage. I also wrote a page about my '71 Superbe, bought from the original owner (different one)for $40. And while at my site you can also read about my Raleigh Twenty, my chopper bike, my cow bike, the recumbent, etc. etc. I also re-wrote my trailer page, giving a lot more detail as to how I built the thing.


And don't forget, that's a tilde before 'marker', not an apostrophe as it will read here.

Cheers, Mark

AGE / VALUE:   Cotter pin press on ebay posted by: Warren on 8/24/2003 at 3:28:20 AM

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cotter pin press on ebay posted by David Poston on 8/24/2003 at 6:35:38 AM
Thanks, Warren, for the tip. I'm going fight this one out to the end. Who would have guessed that a "Park Cotter tool" would be listed as "Almost Extinct Bike Tools"? Very poor use of keywords on the seller's part.


WANTED:   1940's or '50's gazelle inner tubes posted by: sean kohmescher on 8/23/2003 at 8:05:00 PM
I am trying to locate inner tubes for my late '40's, early '50's Dutch Gazelle bicycle. Any pointers would be appreciated. SEAN

FOR SALE:   BRITISH CYCLE COMPANY PROSPECTUS posted by: Ian on 8/23/2003 at 9:34:26 AM
Having thinned down my bike collection and moved on to motorcycles I though today that I would start on the literature collection, have not got very far but came across this item which I thought I would offer here first before putting it on eBay in gratitude for the many hours of illuminating reading I have had from this forum. It is a glossy brochute put out in July 1958. It looks almost like it was for attracting investors to take shares in the company. It Explains the relationship with Tube Industries, goes in to the making of steel for bikes, research and developementand the craftmanship involved in building bikes. It then has a half page each about the history of Aberdale, Armstrong, Dunelt, Hercules,James, Norman, Phillips and Sun. There is one page about mopeds and then it goes in to the story of components made by Brampton, Monitor Brake Co,J.A.Phillips, Resillion and Wright Saddles. There are no specifics of models, product ranges etc but it would be of interest to anyone wanting to know the history of this part of the British cycle industry. Expensive paper cover made to look like leather, lots of photos of the factory etc, very slightly dog-eared and stained but generally in good condition. If anybody wants to make an offer before I put it up for auction email me from the link above. Be aware that postage from New Zealand would probably be $8 To $10US. Thanks, Ian.

   RE:FOR SALE:   BRITISH CYCLE COMPANY PROSPECTUS posted by Ric Sona on 8/24/2003 at 5:46:00 PM
Ian, wondering if you would not mind to email me a copy on the 'SUN' part of the article.Thanks...Ric

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   BRITISH CYCLE COMPANY PROSPECTUS posted by Stacey on 8/26/2003 at 6:23:06 PM
Gotta say I agree with Ian. Nobody wants to pony up the coin... Just a gimmee, gimmee, gimmee mindset and a lot of 'somebody ought to' rhetoric. Why dosen't someone ante up and then take benevolent actions, eh? What greater joy could there be than knowing YOU took POSITIVE action to preserve another piece of this rapidly fading history.

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   BRITISH CYCLE COMPANY PROSPECTUS posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 8/26/2003 at 7:53:42 PM
I want to pay you for it. I already e- mailed and mentioned this to you. I would like it to be sent to P.C. as a gift to him for use at his excellent site if he would like the idea of doing this. Lets get it posted up for reference and as a neat addition.
People are always asking about these names. This is the answer!
Tell me how much and we can get this underway.
P.C. has a site and I do not yet so lets get this over to P.C. Kohler.

   RE:FOR SALE:   BRITISH CYCLE COMPANY PROSPECTUS posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 8/25/2003 at 7:38:20 PM
It would make an excellent addition to "Roll Britannia"
The web group that was started by one of our pals here.
I would love a copy of it to see for myself.

   RE:FOR SALE:   BRITISH CYCLE COMPANY PROSPECTUS posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 8/25/2003 at 8:34:09 PM
This should be posted on a site someplace.
Roll Briannia, or Sheldon Brown's site, or here at oldroads.com.
Someplace for use to see and have for refrence. Not just sold and gone into another persons collection where it will not be shared.
I am wanting to see this and would like a copy of it.

Guys, what do you say?

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   BRITISH CYCLE COMPANY PROSPECTUS posted by Demarest on 8/26/2003 at 5:11:14 AM
Abolutely!!!! Perhaps the gent could even make photocopies of the pages, somehow send them to VVVintage, Retro Raleighs, RollBrittania, got to be some one, who would place them on a website.

   RE:FOR SALE:   BRITISH CYCLE COMPANY PROSPECTUS posted by Ian on 8/26/2003 at 8:44:37 AM
All are fine ideas but nobody has put their hand up to offer even $5 for it! Seems everbody wants the info but nobody wants to pay for it. I am happy to get what I paid for it, which was the equivalent of about US$25, plus the postage, to see it put to good use. At the time I did not think that was excessive but if people here think that is too much I will just stick it on eBay and see what the market thinks. Cheers, Ian.

AGE / VALUE:   SA top tube shifters posted by: David Poston on 8/22/2003 at 8:10:44 PM
I got my first top tube shifter today via "Royal Mail." It's NOS and should be about 60-70 yrs old. The puzzling thing is, it only has two holes for the notched lever to index with: One behind LOW, one slightly left of the N, and none for HIGH. Is this correct? The thing looks like it was made yesterday, it looks so new; it has me wondering if this is a cheap imitation of the real thing.


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   SA top tube shifters posted by Jeff R on 8/23/2003 at 12:58:27 PM
Pete is correct. Also if you check your 3 speed thumb shifter you will find that it to has only 2 ratchet stops. one for low, one for normal, and high has no stop. The shifter just can't go any further, the same as the top tube shifter.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SA top tube shifters posted by Ian on 8/24/2003 at 9:55:17 AM
David, tried to reply to your email direct to me about this but my reply keeps getting returned and the link at the top of this thread does not work either. Looks like you got enough info anyway. Cheers, Ian.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SA top tube shifters posted by ron on 8/22/2003 at 10:13:43 PM
My experience with this shifter is: I have 3 roadsters with this shifter, the N is for Neutral in the N position you have a freewheel type of spin, foward and reverse.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   SA top tube shifters posted by David Poston on 8/23/2003 at 6:14:33 AM
"N," I believe, is for "normal," not "neutral." I am so sure of this that I would bet my fleet of roadsters on this. If the hub is freewheeling, the shifter must not be in the correct position or the cable tension improperly adjusted.

What puzzles me, however, is why there are only two holes, not three. Why are there indexing holes for Low and Neutral but not for High? Can anyone explain?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   SA top tube shifters posted by pete on 8/23/2003 at 7:00:56 AM
David These shifters never have a third hole as it not needed and would serve no purpose. The other two holes act as the ratchet and are needed to hold the gear in either low or normal
Cheers Pete

AGE / VALUE:    lovely red Phillips bicycle! posted by: Chris on 8/22/2003 at 4:34:53 PM
This was a close one. I nearly missed it, and I would have never seen the place if I was not a stubborn, persistent, nut.
I went past the exit and ignored objections like: "Enough antique hunting already! We want to go to the beach!" and I went on to the next town to see if there were antique stores and what there might be. Just had to look anyways. It was right after the one store keeper said.
"Sorry, no bikes in town here"
Guess what was right up the road 2 miles the other way?
The dude lied or never went out in the town near his own shop.
I pulled up into the driveway, stunned.
I was told: "Now, don't be in there all day!"
Alongside the road, a big building. bikes out back, bikes in front, bikes inside and a trailer too!
Nice people.
I got to look around and into everything too. I was very happy.
It was a nice day. I walked around and noticed one bike just too nice, too complete, too hard to find, (outside of e- bay)
I grabbed it and said: "Hello there!"
They said "He found something!"
It is a:
Phillips, 22 inch, red, with original Phillips pedals, oil ports on both hubs and in the bottom bracket, white pinstriping(box lining) Miller glass lens front light with the 2 bulbs. Phillips 3 spring seat, leather.
bike is barely ridden, just dirty, origional, original Dunlop tires, not one crack in them, deep,new tread.
Thick handlebar grips, perfectly intact!
The car was packed, I had no rack nor tools.
Still, I lucked out again and found a rack there. The last one, for 10.00!
There is a decal of the bull dog standing atop a piece of tubing and it says
"British tube mills" Never seen that decal before! Would make a great British bike T- shirt, if it is possible to use that image.
all decals are beautiful. I wheeled it towards the folks, loaded it up. Waved and pulled away.
It was not stolen off of my new rack at the beach, it did not fall off of the car at highway speeds and we made it home!
Tired from vacation, but happy!
It's this winter's bike cleaning/overhaul project!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    lovely red Phillips bicycle! posted by Demarest on 8/22/2003 at 7:58:32 PM
good for you, doesn't sound like it needs much overhauling or cleaning.

AGE / VALUE:   Questions on age and numbers posted by: sam on 8/21/2003 at 4:03:40 PM
I've always used the easy hub date as to age of frame.The kustom came as frame only---Serial number BU28894--age? Also on the fork and again on the rear(bolt on) stays the number Z512 is stamped on them,Why?---sam

WANTED:   AG hub posted by: red on 8/20/2003 at 8:18:17 AM
Does anyone have an AG (40 hole) hub that they wouldn't mind parting with? I'm trying to replicate my stepfather's fully accessorized Supurbe from his college days (as a gift), and the AG hub is all that remains. I've been offered an FG4, but I'd like to be as close to the original as I can. I might buy one through a British retailer but £40.00 is a little steep (at least with international shipping); I was hoping for something cheaper and with a pre-specified date (preferably 50's or early 60's).

   RE:WANTED:   AG hub posted by Billy on 8/20/2003 at 9:22:31 PM
Just be glad, you can find NOS!

   RE:WANTED:   AG hub posted by red on 8/21/2003 at 5:29:32 AM
Thanks for the leads, folks. It looks like I got one. Thanks.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   made in Ceylon! posted by: Frank in Pullman on 8/20/2003 at 5:14:31 AM

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: made in Ceylon! posted by Edward in Vancouver on 8/24/2003 at 3:47:58 AM
Yup, there's a Raleigh factory in Canada, and its in,(drum roll please,)the province of Quebec, where even the stop signs say "Arret"(in France they say "Stop") They're still going strong, pumping out mtn bikes. Raleigh had something in the States, don't think it was a factory, maybe just a shipping/distribution center, but I could be wrong.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: made in Ceylon! posted by Demarest on 8/27/2003 at 3:45:04 AM
That's a new one on me, I never knew England ruled Ireland.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: made in Ceylon! posted by P.C. Kohler on 8/20/2003 at 12:34:31 PM
I saw this too.. FASCINATING!

I didn't even know they made Raleighs in Ceylon and this is a gorgeous example. It also looks very much like the DL-1 Superbe that fetched the famous grand on eBay a few weeks ago. The handlebars are a giveaway. Love the transfers on this machine. One to watch for sure and frankly far more interesting and desirable for being a "real" Raleigh that's not Nottingham-built.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: made in Ceylon! posted by Demarest on 8/20/2003 at 3:09:17 PM
28 inch wheels, this is some find. Have an associate from Sri Lanka.

I wonder, when I see, the Ludhiana (or where ever in India) 3 speeds, about their weight compared to the classic roadsters.

It seems, maybe someone is being ethical; I don't know, often when someone posts an ebay auction here, it is after the auction is over.

They have a 3 speed made in Poland at the moment on ebay as well. I won't give it away. If one is curious; search it out. Not one of the major brands. Woman's bicycle; blue. I am not really in need now, nor my wife.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: made in Ceylon! posted by P.C. Kohler on 8/20/2003 at 3:19:32 PM
Well this auction IS over too... pulled because "the item is no longer available". Hmmmm... we have a flurry of these on eBay now, "event" auctions we all get excited about, you know the thing is going to cost an absolute bomb and then it's pulled.

Anyway, these lovely pix are going to find their way on "Roll Britannia". This is a handsome mount to be sure.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: made in Ceylon! posted by Demarest on 8/20/2003 at 3:27:49 PM
While combing through Roadster history, Simplex, is such a big name, in French industry, wonder if they ever came out with a Three Speed. Curious, I would like one of those General Motors Triple Speeds.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: made in Ceylon! posted by Demarest on 8/20/2003 at 3:30:08 PM
Maybe I should give my associate, a couple of hundreds, for if he ever visits his home in Sri Lanka.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: made in Ceylon! posted by Billy on 8/20/2003 at 8:41:26 PM
We rode Bendix's in Sri Lanka, Up Mount Adam. Nothing could be better

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: made in Ceylon! posted by ?? on 8/20/2003 at 11:16:43 PM
where is Ceylon anyway, is it in england???????????

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: made in Ceylon! posted by MR on 8/22/2003 at 2:07:49 PM
It's called Sri lanka today. An island off the tip of India. Capital Columbo.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: made in Ceylon! posted by P.C. Kohler on 8/22/2003 at 9:13:44 PM
Ceylon used to be "one of the pink bits" on the map i.e. British Empire so hence the locally produced Raleighs. I knew Raleighs were made in India but this was new to me. Someone obviously made the seller a sweet "outside of eBay" deal on this one...

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: made in Ceylon! posted by Demarest on 8/23/2003 at 3:35:44 AM
Is Canada looked at the same way? Or at least, at one time? It would be interesting to see, a map, pink, with where Raleighs have been built; Australia? India figured.

Why, I give a brief background, concerning some jewelry, the store the Hindu Indians own nearby once told me, "We're going to Bombai (Mumbai now, for the record) soon, I will buy you this or that if you give me the money", I passed,

But today, my friend, told me, the Raleighs are all over Ceylon, on a bit more questioning, he spoke about 1 speeds being common, 3 speeds are there in abundance too. So, you know, what the natural idea to this might be, if one really wanted to search one out!!

I am sure, England, has many such subjects from Sri Lanka there. 500 here in the Twin Cities Minnesota, fairly good size.

Roll Brittania!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: made in Ceylon! posted by Dusty on 8/25/2003 at 5:46:53 PM
Raleighs made in Ireland, Holland too.

AGE / VALUE:   Starting to Cross Over a bit - Raleigh Sports posted by: Gralyn on 8/19/2003 at 7:12:22 PM
About a month ago - I had spotted a Raleigh Sprite. I checked here...but when I went back - it was gone. Later on - I spotted a ladie's Raleigh Sports. The price was pretty low...and it took very little to have it running. Well today, I spotted a men's Raleigh Sports. It appears to be identical to the ladies....same color, fenders, etc. Now I have his & hers matching Raleigh Sports. They are a brown color, brown fenders, touring bars, 3-speed Sturmey Archer hubs. The men's has the Brooks saddle....but the ladies must have been replaced at some time...with an equivalent-size Schwinn saddle.
As I'm starting to cross-over a bit....I have strictly dealt in lightweights.....now these are my first roadsters, or middle-weights. They should be interesting to ride!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Starting to Cross Over a bit - Raleigh Sports posted by Bryan Masone on 8/19/2003 at 8:25:07 PM
Welcome! Your story sounds like mine and many others here. Soon you will wonder why everyone doesn't ride these fine machines.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Starting to Cross Over a bit - Raleigh Sports posted by wade on 8/19/2003 at 9:02:33 PM
I got into these bikes because one at a local goodwill store looked like it had potential so I bought it.. Now I know a little more about them than I ever thought I would. I like finding collectible bikes of any brand. It is a thrill to find a bike and fix it up.. but I think the most exciting part is the actual hunt for bikes- of any collectible brand. But I truly appreciate English made bikes.. If I can just get a Raleigh Chopper I would be truly delighted.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Starting to Cross Over a bit - Raleigh Sports posted by Gralyn on 8/20/2003 at 5:42:02 PM
I inflated the tires (or tyres), checked everything out - and took it for a spin. Everything worked just fine. I wiped some of the oil build-up from the hub - it had '76' for the date. The ladies model I have has a '72' hub. They look too closely identical to be 4 years apart....Did they make these for several years...basically all the same? Or maybe the rear was replaced at some point?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Starting to Cross Over a bit - Raleigh Sports posted by Bryan Masone on 8/20/2003 at 8:42:57 PM
Yes, they were made throughout the 1950's, 60's, and 70's with similar parts etc. Of course we all like the older ones better because they seem to be of a higher quality. There would be very little, if any, difference between a 1972 and 1976 model. If you should come across other Sports (be it a Raleigh, Humber, Rudge etc) pick those up too because the parts are pretty much all interchangeable should you ever need a repair. The models I mention above were all made by Raleigh, as were many other brand names. They had different brand names mostly for marketing purposes, so keep your eye out for bikes that look like the ones you have. Have fun riding, and collecting. By the way, these are VERY dependable bicycles, I commute up to 50 or 60 miles a day on mine.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Robinhood vs. Hercules-AMF posted by: Beth on 8/19/2003 at 6:34:16 AM
Hi all,
I am in the proccess of decideing between to old English 3spd bikes to buy. I have been offered either for $20. But know little about the subject and was hoping for some pointers. I think I would like to ride the bike perhaps after some mild restoration. Both are passably rideable now. Here is what I know and any opinons about the bikes or more information, or where to locate it, would be tremendously appreciated.

Hercules Black Womans 3sp.
Birmingham England
S/A hub marked 65 4
Cable brakes
W/ headlight
Chain gaurd reads AMF Coolney, IL
26" X 1 3/8" wheels/ tires
Moderate rust

Robinhood Black Womans 3sp
Nottingham England
S/A Hub marked 69 10
26" wheels w/ dunlop tires
S/A shift lever "trigger shift"
cable brakes
Slightly more rust

Is there a reletive derference in value or initial quality to these bikes? and which whould be easier to repair/ locate parts?
Any help would be fabulous. Thank you!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Robinhood vs. Hercules-AMF posted by David on 8/19/2003 at 11:13:31 AM
"Older is better." It sounds like the Herc is in slightly better shape. Parts are mostly interchangeable between these (you might want to buy both!) and aren't too hard to find. Less rust seems like a good criterion. Also check the straightness of the frame and fork (cause for rejection!), trueness of the wheels, and comfort of the saddle!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Robinhood vs. Hercules-AMF posted by M.R. on 8/19/2003 at 3:44:09 PM
Buy them both, sell which ever you don't want on eBay. You'll undoubtedly get more there for the one than you will pay for both. A good deal all around. Keep the one you like best as they are very very close to being the same basic bike.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Robinhood vs. Hercules-AMF posted by Wade on 8/19/2003 at 6:42:02 PM
Greetings, i just bought a 1959 Robinhood with AW hub myself.. basically lucked into it at a flea market today. Looks like I will have two Raleighs up for sale soon. Does anyone know how long Robinhoods were made for?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Robinhood vs. Hercules-AMF posted by P.C. Kohler on 8/19/2003 at 8:17:16 PM
I wish I had more on Robin Hood... I think they were made c. 1947-1970. By the late 1960s, TI Raleigh had decided enough was enough with "branding" and just concentrated everything under the best known name: Raleigh. So Robin Hood was out as the "basic brand" and was replaced by the Raleigh LTD-3.

I have seen a 1949 Robin Hood brochure.... VERY different from later years with a good range of machines including some quite high-end, well-fitted ones which blurred the point of having an entry level brand somehow.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Robinhood vs. Hercules-AMF posted by David on 8/20/2003 at 2:37:45 AM
I LOVE the headbadge of Robin Hood standing there with his longbow. How very odd that the holes match right up with those for a Raleigh badge!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Robinhood vs. Hercules-AMF posted by www.raleighchopper.info on 8/21/2003 at 6:34:18 PM
Robin Hoods were sold in Canada untill the 80`s.
They were re-badged Raleighs for obvious reasons.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Robinhood vs. Hercules-AMF posted by Wade on 8/21/2003 at 9:34:44 PM
2188658167 ebay.. robinhood up for sale

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Robinhood vs. Hercules-AMF posted by Beth on 8/25/2003 at 7:16:24 AM
Thank you all!
I have decided on both of them. ANd thank you for all your replies and help. I'm excited my first real bike projects!

AGE / VALUE:   1956 Gresham Flyer SW Hub posted by: wade on 8/19/2003 at 12:19:22 AM
I have a bike that I will be posting on ebay soon, but I would like to know more about this bike if anyone can offer any knowledge about it. Here is what I do know: The bike has an SW hub, was made in 1956 by the Aberdale Cycle Co. I did look on the internet and it mentions motorized bikes by Aberdale but nothing about regular bicycles. The bike is actually a Gresham Flyer "The Aberdale" ... It seems to have the original Dunlop Roadster tires. I had to replace the tube in the back tire so now they both hold air fine and the tires even have good tread. I do know that Gresham flyers are known to be children's bikes. I emailed a Bike Museum in England last year which had a Gresham Flyer children's bike for sale. They said they had never heard of an adult 3 speed Gresham Flyer before and that it was probably an export model. I do think this is a Raleigh bike since other Gresham flyers were labeled Raleigh Gresham Flyers. If anyone has any knowledge about Aberdale, Gresham Flyers, or anything else related to this, please let me know.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1956 Gresham Flyer SW Hub posted by M.R. on 8/19/2003 at 3:46:36 PM
Yes, it's basically a Raleigh with the Gresham brand name. Very similar to a Royal Sabre.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Selle Anglaise Saddle posted by: Francois Poisson on 8/18/2003 at 10:21:41 PM
While travelling in France this summer I came across a leather saddle at a flea market thinking it would go well on my daily rider/commuter. Now I am having second thoughts. It seems pretty nice and I am wondering if this saddle should not be put into regular use and weather. It looks old but is in fine shape, constructed out of very thick brown leather. It is a narrow racing style with two steel rails and embossed on the side is an ornate design with the words Selle Anglaise and Birmingham surrounding the word Extra in larger type. Any thoughts on the origins and value of this saddle would be appreciated. Thanks.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Selle Anglaise Saddle posted by MR on 8/20/2003 at 1:23:43 PM
Use it. That is what it was for, no? Was it inexpensive?