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Archived: English Roadsters

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   When it rains... posted by: Dale on 11/12/2004 at 2:41:56 AM
I've been away a while, but my heart's been with you.

Anyway, every year or so I go fishing on our co. want-ads list and see if I can scare up any three speeds. Usually no answer, but this year I found and bought a '73 (hub) Tourist. The front wheel was whacked out, I spent about 3 hrs. on truing it and it's still not there, but rideable. Paint is pretty good, fork a little bent but saveable. I'm surprised by how comfy it is to ride; not quite recumbent comfy but for a DF it's really nice.

BTW, looking for a front mudguard for this bike.

I also got a lead on a Norman. I have no idea what it is, sports or club bike, or condition, just that it's a three speed. I'll be checking it out tomorrow. Does anybody know when Norman was swallowed by TI, 62-ish? I know they made some nice club bikes too, that would be cool.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   When it rains... posted by Jeff R on 11/12/2004 at 12:25:23 PM
Normans were made by Phillips. My 54 Norman sport has all Phillips fittings, fork crown,pedals,front hub,brakes,and fenders. The chainwheel spokes are Norman Knights. The front lamp bracket also has a Norman Knight cut into it. Like Phillips, it was taken over by Raleigh in 1960.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   When it rains... posted by CHRIS on 11/12/2004 at 1:20:17 PM

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   When it rains... posted by sam on 11/12/2004 at 1:44:13 PM
TI(tube investment) was the parent company that owned the British Cycle Corp. ,that inturn owned Norman,Philips,dunelt,etc.TI bought raleigh in 1960.---sam

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   When it rains... posted by sam on 11/12/2004 at 2:10:07 PM
Dale also check out my web site for more info http://www.oldroads.com/oldwebs.asp?uploadid=103
(my never ending bicycle projects)this is from 1958---I'll be putting up all the book but can only do about 5 pages per mo.check back around the first of Dec. for more info---sam

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: When it rains... posted by Rif on 11/14/2004 at 4:42:56 PM
Wow Sam,
That's very cool! glad someone is working so hard for the hobby, and to keep the info out there so that these great bikes may be kept alive...

FOR SALE:   1960 Phillips posted by: LaDon on 11/12/2004 at 1:53:36 AM
I have this 1960 Phillips for sale. It has a 3 spd. hub with gen. Needs a little tlc but everything works great! Great bike for resto org. paint and decals. Headlight & tailight both work. Have lots of high res. pics. Like i said all org. except tires! Email me for pics and make offer.

   RE:FOR SALE:   1960 Phillips posted by LaDon on 11/16/2004 at 12:24:41 AM
my email atkinson@bowling-green.net

AGE / VALUE:    Anybody need the bits? posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 11/11/2004 at 2:39:16 PM
There is this house where they leave the garage door up. they've been doing that for ten years or longer. They like to! For at least ten years I have been seeing this bike as I drive by. It's a bike not worth anything, ladies Steyr, daimler, puch sears job. first glance was Oh, it's junk. Bah! well, last night they heaved it out. It was sitting there and it called out: "Hey, you! They're gonna crush me up. Please save me." I replied: "I don't want you! If you were anything worth having I'd have marched up and asked to buy you!" "But No! you are a ladies Sears 3 speed Shimano hub icky- cheap bike. Nobody wants your parts, you're not worth bothering with!" The bike said: "Ask them!" Then it begged: "Please take me home!"
Well, I have it.Worthless! Well maybe the pedals?
Anyways, taking offers plus shipping for the hub, shimano trigger bits and the pedals and anything else of use.
Actually, bringing the thing home and riding it is far more agrivation than having to look at it for all these long years!
Now they'll have a clean garage for all the world to see! Garbage night used to be fun! All the good stuff is gone. Already in the landfil or in the hands of collectors or already- e- bayed. I saw a mens version of this same bike and they guy said he'd never sell it. I shook my head! My mechanic say's that times are bad and thy keep these because it is transportation. The question is: Why did I bring this home? Not to sell the bits. There's no call for them. I do not need the parts as I have Shimano up the wazoo.
Anyways, we are together at long last, the worthless, black, ashtabula style, ladies, Shimano, Sears, 3 speed junk bike.
As I rode it home, I thought......... Like these handlebar grips!
Anyways, the honeymoon will be short lived. The cleaning and heaving out, major remodeling and thin-ing down to only the good stuff continues.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Anybody need the bits? posted by James on 11/12/2004 at 2:20:09 AM
An austrian built sears with styria hub is a perfectly good bike, I have two I've been meaning to put back together and sell, the rims are quite nice (chromed on all sides) not rusty nasty on the inner surface like lesser raleigh rims and they are easier to work on - they are the only two bikes I've ever worked on that don't have any damaged parts and despite being obviously used. I like how their front hubs have locknuts and don't go out of adjustment when you change a flat, I keep finding these near mint Raleigh Sports with bad front hubs, my theory is the owners never bothered to readjust the bearing after fixing a flat.
Too bad about the sears badge though, it's like taking an Opel and putting a walmart badge on the front.

MISC:   Larz Anderson National Bike Show posted by: Peter Naiman on 11/11/2004 at 3:49:20 AM
Just a short note. The Larz Anderson National Bike Show will be held on Sunday August 14th at the Museum of Transportation at Larz Anderson Park in Brookline, MA.
Set up time will be at 9:00AM, with show times between 10:00AM to 2:00PM. There may be a swap meet held independently of Larz in+ Watertown on Saturday the 13th of August, with the show the following day. Further information on the show events and the possible swap to follow in further postings. If you wish to be added to our mailing list or are interested in a swap space, please email me at hetchinspete1@yahoo.com.
Thank you, Peter Naiman

AGE / VALUE:   slow progress posted by: sam on 11/10/2004 at 9:46:06 PM
I think sometimes when the post get too far between that everone's gone--then I remind myself of the time required to restore a bike.This tandem frame I'm working on has taken several months to get to this stage,and will take a lot more as this is only the first primer coat.This primer will get bondoed to cover any small pits then compleatly sanded off for a second primer.---sam


   RE:AGE / VALUE: slow progress posted by James on 11/10/2004 at 10:22:25 PM
You forgot to tell us what sort of frame that is?

That reminds me, on my way up from ashland, OR I stopped in a cute little town, I think it was oakland and discovered an antique shop that doubled as a sort of museum for very old schwinn track bikes and british bikes, including a pre-war Sunbeam tandem, a bike that had apparently made it to the Philladelphia meet. Does anyone know who this person is? I've been trying to find a lauterwasser handlebar for some time and thought I would ask him if he has a spare one, as he has so many bikes from that time period.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: slow progress posted by James on 11/10/2004 at 10:41:46 PM
The last post was a bit unclear, the person I was asking about is the owner of the antique store and the Sunbeam, who was not there that day.

AGE / VALUE:   No relation to seller posted by: sam on 11/10/2004 at 2:12:16 AM
Still a few in the plain brown rapper--sa they say:

FOR SALE:   Dutch "English Roadster" posted by: Dick on 11/10/2004 at 1:57:56 AM
Why "English Roadsters"? Why not just "Roadsters"? Granted, the English probably originated them. Or at the very least, perfected them. A few days ago I saw a Belgium made Raleigh 3 speed "Roadster" with 27x1-1/4 wheels. Somthing elegant-looking about a 3 speed with 27 inch wheels. Now I find this Dutch made Ancona 3 speed with 27 inch wheels on ebay. If it was a men's I'd be all over it.

   RE:FOR SALE: Dutch posted by James on 11/10/2004 at 7:34:47 AM
I just got my grey 28" loop frame roadster, a low end bikeapparently, it's called prinzess, but wow it is a tank, SA drum brake hubs, thick tubes, they probably used cheaper steel but more of it, they way a Kronan is built even cheap dutch bikes are nice. I figured it was from the late 70s, but the hub is dated 1990. This is going to be my winter bike - it's probably heavy enough to brake through the ice and snow. I wonder if they make studded tyres in this size?

   RE:RE:FOR SALE: Dutch posted by James on 11/10/2004 at 7:38:28 AM
If anyone in the UK is interested there is a nice Gazelle with rod pulled drums for sale on ebay, it's located in Fawlty Towers apparently or watery fowls. Now if only I could find a nice black Gazelle with rod operated drums in this country.

   RE:FOR SALE:   Dutch posted by Matthew on 11/10/2004 at 8:11:41 PM
James, are you sure about the spelling? Princess? Cos if it is a Princess then its a Pashley made in UK, you haven't given too many details. There would be no headbadge only a vinyl adhesive 'P' on the head and 1990 would be just right. My sister has a princess on 26" wheels but I think they made them on 28" too. It could well have hub brakes? The male counterpart was the Prospero. They look like low end of the market machines and the finish isn't great. I'm not trying to prove you wrong just offering a suggestion, I'll just go back now and take my medication and hide in a box till the staff find me. Matthew 'meanwhile somewhere in England'

   RE:RE:FOR SALE: Dutch posted by James on 11/10/2004 at 10:18:01 PM
The bike is grey, it has no headhadge, a P sticker on the headtube with a crown above it, the top tube has an "original made in Holland" sticker and the down tube reads " Prinsess" with a flat composed of red and white stripes to the left of that. It has the ugly grey SA brake levers, no name fork mounted generator, the rear fender has a white plastic sleeve instead of a painted white section, tail light built into the rear fender, standard small dutch front headlight. If it still sounds like a pashley to you, could it be that these cheaper pashleys were built in holland?
After reading your post I was pretty sure it was a pashley until I found the made in Holland sticker.

   RE:FOR SALE:   Dutch posted by Matthew on 11/14/2004 at 11:03:27 AM
Sounds very Dutch to me James. thanks for the extra info. I'm not aware of any Pashley's being built outside the UK.

Matthew - back to the drawing board.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   me rudge & bikeshed guardian posted by: Brian on 11/9/2004 at 4:44:40 PM
3 pics 4 ya'all, 1. http://tinypic.com/krb51 & 2. http://tinypic.com/krb75, and 3. "guardian of the steel wheeels" http://tinypic.com/krbet

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   me rudge & bikeshed guardian posted by Lawrence P H Bradley on 11/9/2004 at 7:02:15 PM
What a beautiful machine! I'm envious. The second picture left me a bit puzzled though...

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hello defunct RB & Old Roads enthusiasts posted by: Brian on 11/6/2004 at 11:10:16 PM
I saw a nice English hub-gear bike here: http://www.yellowjersey.org/champ.html

I miss our group & seeing fellow enthusiast's at bike shows/rides (GBBW, Boston-area shows, etc. Life moves so much faster after forty - doesn't it seem that way? I recently moved from the east coast to the southwest - man it sure seems bright & glaring out here, even in November! My best to all!


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hello defunct RB & Old Roads enthusiasts posted by sam on 11/7/2004 at 3:39:00 PM
Welcome to the Southwest.Glad to have ya down our way---sam

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Hello defunct RB & Old Roads enthusiasts posted by James on 11/8/2004 at 1:03:08 AM
Does anyone know anything about this brand? It looks like a phillips. I have a belgian made Champion roadster, probably no relation to the bike above but the head tube transfer is similar, maybe they had a belgian subsidiary that lasted into the 1970s.

FOR SALE:   Phillips "Celtonia" pedals in original box posted by: Kevin C on 11/6/2004 at 2:42:30 PM
For sale: One pair vintage "Phillips Celtonia Gents' Full Rubber Pedals," unused, still in original box with original wrap. These are the big, heavy, rebuildable men's pedals. Box is marked "Phillips Quality Bicycle Fitments, J. A. Phillips & Co. Limited, Birmingham, England. Perfect Christmas gift for that special English Roadster in your life. $100 postpaid.

FOR SALE:   Replica Roadster Grips posted by: P.C. Kohler on 11/5/2004 at 9:03:32 PM

If rodents have eaten your roadster grips or you just want the best quality, perfect replicas of the original 1950s Raleigh grips......

Replica Raleigh Industries grey rubber roadster handlebar grips

Prototypical for all Raleigh, Rudge, Humber, Robin Hood and Triumph brand Sports, Dawn and Roadster models c. 1949-1966 but correct for ANY British or Commonwealth-made roadster cycle of the period i.e. Phillips, Hercules, BSA, Sunbeam, New Hudson, Elswick-Hooper, Dawes, James, Sun etc.

4 1/4 inches long. Fits standard British handlebars (7/8” dia). Thick real rubber as the originals with a nice “chunky” feel and real heft. Mould make from authentic original. These are top quality.

PROUDLY BRITISH-MADE by the Lee-Healey Co. Ltd. (manufacturers of the old Britannia brand tyres and grips) of Leicestershire.

LIMITED AVAILABILITY: only 100 pairs have been manufactured for this initial production run.


For members of Old Roads Discussion Group and Classic Rendezvous


TWO PAIRS of GRIPS: $37.75 (regular price is 19.95 per pair)

Shipping: $3.85 to US addresses, Priority Mail. Overseas and Canada upon application. Insurance: $1.30 extra


PayPal ONLY. www.paypal.com US currency only. Payments should be made to kohl57@starpower.net and any queries to the same address.


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   @#@$%% rodents! posted by: David on 11/4/2004 at 6:44:24 PM
My DL1 needed exercise, so I used it this morning. There were little tooth marks on the grips!!!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: @#@$%% rodents! posted by CHRIS on 11/5/2004 at 5:36:27 PM

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: @#@$%% rodents! posted by Tim Powell on 11/8/2004 at 1:51:47 PM
My father had a dog that used to chew bicycle tyres. It was a damned nuisance. We used to have to hang our bikes up from hooks in the barn to stop him getting at them. He could wreck a tyre completely in about 10 minutes. Never could break him of the habit. It must have been the taste.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   @#@$%% rodents! posted by David on 11/10/2004 at 12:26:57 PM
Chris - I tried washing my hands yesterday, but there are still squirrels around. Ideas?

AGE / VALUE:   oldroads web pages posted by: sam on 11/4/2004 at 2:25:28 PM
For those of you that might want some info on what we call "Phillips brands" of bicycles,I've decided to put the BCC booklet on my web pages.This is a booklet printed in 1958 that tells investers about the company.I'll put up 6 pages each month(40 in all)check my site at http://www.oldroads.com/oldwebs.asp?uploadid=103

AGE / VALUE:   My 'baby' in the Picture Database posted by: Christian Westberg on 11/4/2004 at 12:04:25 PM
Just want everybody out there to know, that my nearly vintage (24½ years) 1980 Raleigh Tourist de Luxe (DL-1 / Tourist) with rod lever drum brakes has been found worthy of being accepted in the Picture Database.
You can almost tell from the picture how proud it looks !

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   My 'baby' in the Picture Database posted by Ed on 11/9/2004 at 3:12:59 PM
Beautiful: Almost identical to my 1981. I hope you get many more years of enjoyment out of it. Thanks for posting the picture.

MISC:   Dutch bikes posted by: James on 11/4/2004 at 7:41:38 AM
There are 3 nice dutch roadsters on ebay right now, the problem is they are local pick up only. one is a gazelle http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=420&item=2281377429&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
with rod pulled drums, looks like a 1970s flying dutchman model, I've seen these on ebay before, always in odd places like texas or alabama this one is in Arizona. there is also a Batavus and union for sale, but you'll have to drive to Gimsby canada or some such place. But if you live in the area and want a tank like commuter bike that will outlast us all, there you go.
There is also an interesting Miele german roadster on ebay with a Sachs 3 speed deraileur/coaster hub and rod operated plunger.
I wonder if the DSM 5 has a clinical definition for obsessive compulsive ebay searching for british and dutch bikes?