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Archived: English Roadsters

FOR SALE:   28" Raleigh pattern mudguards for sale posted by: David Poston on 1/18/2004 at 8:14:27 PM
I just listed some 28" Raleigh pattern mudguards (made in India) on e-bay:



AGE / VALUE:   Neat Armstrong. Very tempting..... posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 1/18/2004 at 1:04:17 PM

Very interesting bike. Not sure of the age, but I like the chainring for sure. Sellor states that the rims are stainless steel.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

AGE / VALUE:   Nice "Norman Popular" on Ebay posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 1/18/2004 at 1:04:17 PM

The trigger shifter on this one is awesome!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Nice posted by Jeff R on 1/18/2004 at 3:15:42 PM
That is the same shifter that came on my 1948 Raleigh Clubman. It also comes in a 4 speed version. When used with droped bars it makes it easer to reach around the brake lever to shift.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Nice posted by Jeff R on 1/18/2004 at 3:20:17 PM
I dropped a "p" should be dropped.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   AW noises posted by: James on 1/17/2004 at 6:06:39 AM
I rebuilt the AW hub in my robin hood a month ago and just started riding it again now that the snow and slush is gone. I replaced the pawl springs and bearing races for the hell of it. I didn't replace the right had ball cup which did show some wear on the inside surfaces (the "steps" that contact the pawls). The hub feels the same as it did before the rebuild, it still freewheels forward and makes a noises that sounds like a revolving part is rubbing up against a non-revolving part and just now it started making a scraping noise when my right foot is at 6 oclock (could be the chain guard haven't checked that) - my Raleigh sports does make any of these noises or freewheel forward. . I used more than enough bearing grease and oil, so I don't think that is a problem. Should I have replaced the clutch spring? I am at a loss here, I think I will replace the right hand ball cup and clutch spring. What do you guys think? Might the cones be too tight?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   AW noises posted by Dick in FL on 1/17/2004 at 6:29:10 AM
The cones are an excellent place to start. As a test, try coasting with your feet off the pedals and observe if the forward motion of the bicycle rotates the chainwheel and pedals. This and the noise you report are indicators of tight cones.

AGE / VALUE:   1955 women's Triumph 3 speed posted by: Lincoln on 1/17/2004 at 4:18:20 AM
This is a pretty nice bike, but I prefer men's frames and I've got too many crowding the basement. Has a little bit of rust, not a lot, and is not shiny anymore, but it has that funky British bike feel. All original, but tires are shot and rear brake cable is gone. Any idea how much it's worth in this state and/or with usable tires and a cable installed? I'm hoping to sell for local pick up in Boston metro area but may consider ebaying or something if it's really that much higher, or else going to Monson with it (but I don't know what's involved with selling at Monson).

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1955 women's Triumph 3 speed posted by David on 1/17/2004 at 1:51:44 PM
I don't think you'll find it worth the bother of shipping. I've had a hard time getting rid of women's 3-speeds in Boston, even with good tires and tuned up. Luckily, I have an MIT professor neighbor with students who need bikes. You might try Craig's list or an MIT bulletin board.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: 1955 women's Triumph 3 speed posted by Lincoln on 1/19/2004 at 5:28:40 PM
You wouldn't have a MEN's 3 speed available, would you? Some kind of relatively nondescript one around 22" frame size? Even a Sears if not too odious?

BTW, I did put it on Craig's list, as well as Sheldon's classifieds, but only have responses from Michigan and Singapore.

   PS RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: 1955 women's Triumph 3 speed posted by Lincoln on 1/19/2004 at 5:30:51 PM
Oops, forgot to ask for hint re what MIT bulletin board? My time there was mostly pre internet (depending on what you call internet, I do remember 300 baud capability on Arpanet).

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Berec bulb replacement posted by: J. M. Vernooy on 1/16/2004 at 12:45:50 PM
Just tried a new xenon bulb in a berec headlight that I bought as NOS at the bicycle shop where I work. I thought that it would be brighter than the original which works just fine. The original bulb is brighter and gives a better beam than the xenon bulb so the xenon bulb is to be returned today. Has anyone got a suggestion for a better bulb to improve this headlight? It is powered by two D cell alkaline batteries. We sold many of these headlights in the 1970's and 1980's and no one ever asked for a better bulb. Also, is Berec still making a similar headlight? It's the one that is nearly square, looks much like a lantern, and has a spring loaded bracket on its back to attach to the Raleigh type lamp bracket. Thanks, John

MISC:   Definitions posted by: Phil Deaves on 1/16/2004 at 8:39:38 AM
Okay, a bit of a basic beginner's question (everyone was a beginner once, right?).

What is meant by some of the terminology used on this forum (and with bikes in general)? For example:

Lugs. Is this the, effectively, weld join between two tubes? Or does this refer to the placed where you bolt stuff on, e.g. a derailure or dynamo? Or something else?

Bottom bracket. The part through which the pedal axle passes?

Headstock. The part between handlebars and front wheel, holding the steering bearings?

There are probably some other words I'm not sure about, but cannot think of them now.

Thanks for your help.


   RE:MISC: Definitions posted by J. M. Vernooy on 1/16/2004 at 12:43:34 PM
Congratulations for becoming a beginner in a facinating interest that should in time lead you to a greater understanding of a range of knowledge that only starts with bicycles and may be unlimited. That may sound like a grandiose claim but if you don't already understand you will in time. As to your question, there is an excellent source for bicycle knowledge including a glossary of bicycle terminology at a site that is maintained by Sheldon Brown at http://www.sheldonbrown.com/glossary.html. If you only read his web site you will progress from beginner to at least intermediate. And keep asking questions. I've been interested in these bicycles for more than fourty years and I still don't know everything there is to know about them.

   RE:MISC: Definitions posted by Lincoln on 1/17/2004 at 10:08:19 PM

Lugs are the reinforcements where the frame is brazed together, not welded.

You're right about the bottom bracket.

I don't have a clue about headstock. Headset is the set of bearings that allow the fork to turn.

The tip about Sheldon's site is right on.

   RE:RE:MISC: Definitions posted by Phil Deaves on 1/20/2004 at 1:53:36 PM
Oops! Yes, I meant *headset*. Headstock is jargon from another of my interests.

Thanks for the replies, I will peruse Sheldon Brown's glossary.


MISC:   JC Higgins 3 speed bicycles posted by: marc on 1/16/2004 at 5:35:20 AM
A few months ago I picked up a delightful bicycle which is definately now one of my favorites. I went to a resale shop here in chicago and saw a very old looking bicycle. It was JC Higgins 3 speed bicycle, very much looking like an english roadster. I thought the decals were great and the frame was lugged and surprisingly lightweight. I talked to the manager and she said it was originally 75 dollars and that it had been sold but returned because the person who bought it stated that he took it to a bike shop that told him it needed over a 100 dollars worth of work. Well, I got it for 25 dollars. I got the bike home, cleaned it up and found the only thing wrong with it was the hub wasn't shifting properly. I just imagined this person taking it to some bike shop with 1000 dollar bicycles hanging on the walls and the mechanics just staring at the "antique/outdated" bicycle and tossing out some over priced unnescassary repairs. I looked at the hub and saw it was pretty much a copy of a sturmey so I adjusted the barrel and what a miracle, it shifts beautifully now. It's a great bicycle. I've used it on the 10 mile commute to school and it rides like a dream.

It's very similar to this one on ebay:

The seller states his is a 61. I'm guessing he's getting the date from the stamp on the hub. Does anyone have any experience with these bicycles and dating them? My bicycle is a little diferent from his, and I think mine is older. My chainguard is bigger, the lugs are nicer, the headbadge and head tube are different as well. My rear hub does not have a number/year stamp.

If anyone ever comes across one of these I suggest purchasing it, you won't be disapointed.


   RE:MISC: JC Higgins 3 speed bicycles posted by J. M. Vernooy on 1/16/2004 at 1:38:41 PM
Marc, your are correct about those being excellent bicycles. I have two of them, a 1961 and a 1966. They both have a date stamp on the rear hub. The 1961 has a hub with the name J. C. Higgins and the 1966 has a stamp of Sears on the hub. I purchased the 1966 new in the late spring of 1967.The date stamp on the hub is 66 so the date stamp is only a way to approximate the model year of the bicycle, but this one was very likely manufactured in 1966. The date stamp on each hub is right after the 3-SPEED stamp. Two pictures of the 1966 are at http://www.threespeedbicycles.com/index.html. (Picture(s) of the 1961 will be added soon). It's often a shame when bicycle shops turn away a repair of these bicycles. But the fact that you were able to buy this one is good. And the bicycle shop where the previous purchaser had taken it for an estimate may not have even been able to repair this bicycle properly if none of the staff had ever done so before. Most bicycle mechanics are self tought or apprenticed. The number of bicycle shops that can handle repair of these bicycles properly is not increasing. Many collectors can do a better job of repair of these bicycles than many of the professionals. If only the previous purchaser had found a bicycle shop where one of the mechanics sometimes rides a vintage three speed bicycle to work.

MISC:   metallic brown touch up paint posted by: James on 1/16/2004 at 4:16:59 AM
I'm cleaning my ugly brown mixte frame Raleigh Sprite 10 speed up in the hope that I can sell it. I believe the metallic brown (rootbeer) is the same colour used on 1970s 3 speeds. Has anyone found a suitable touch up paint for this metallic brown? I assume it has a clear coat over the metallic paint, so I guess I'd need to get some of that too. I'm starting to think this is a waste of time putting so much work into a bike no one is interested in.

   RE:MISC:   metallic brown touch up paint posted by Dick in FL on 1/16/2004 at 5:13:00 AM
Raleigh Sprites are my favorite genre of bicycle; viz., upright riding position with derailleur transmission. I have two identical early 70's models ... one in 23" frame and one in 25" frame. I originally thought they were the metallic root beer color. Actually, after cleanup, they turned out to be a very attractive dark red metallic which matches very closely a Ford Motor Company color offered by Duplicolor (DK CANYON RED M). Keep the faith with Sprites; as long as chaps like Chris continue to wage a campaign of relentless dismemberment, they can ony appreciate in value and interest.

   RE:MISC:   metallic brown touch up paint posted by james on 1/16/2004 at 7:07:52 AM
This isn't the nice dark red/brown metallic, I've saw one of those the the other day, it's a really beautiful colour my bike is the plain old medium metallic brown.

   RE:RE:MISC:   metallic brown touch up paint posted by James on 1/16/2004 at 11:29:31 AM
The red you are talking about is called flamboyant red and the brown on my bike is flamboyant brown. see retroraleighs.com the site attatched to sheldonbrown's.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   metallic brown touch up paint posted by P.C. Kohler on 1/16/2004 at 3:26:34 PM
Not to be pedantic (moi?!) but the colour of Sprites was actually called COFFEE. I know because I remember as a 15 year old special ordering one of the little touch up bottles (it cost $2.98!! yikes!!) for my new Sprite 27. Alas I threw it out when the second of two Sprites was stolen!!

There alas is no coordination of any of this... we find our own match and keep it to ourselves it seems. The Chopper folks are MUCH more organised. Hmmm... was there a Coffee Brown Chopper?? Check one of the myriad websites.. they often have contemporary auto paint matches listed.

Or just go to an auto paint place, pull out one of their huge catalogues and look up late '60s and early '70s Fords and Mercurys. Everything was painted beige or brown then. A good match for Bronze Green is... the Ford Pinto c. '77!

My dad was furious with me for getting a Coffee-coloured Sprite.. he thought it looked 'orrible and thought the Ivory one much nicer. Me, I thought the Coffee with pin stripes looked more "dignified" and thus more traditionally British. Plus you got the white black-out marking on the rear mudguard.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   metallic brown touch up paint posted by James on 1/16/2004 at 7:40:58 PM
In the 1977 catalogue it is listed as flamboyant brown, apparently to make it seem more interesting than it really is.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   metallic brown touch up paint posted by james on 1/16/2004 at 7:56:56 PM
actually it's called flamboyant coffee in the catalogue I can't read this morning. Why did black disappear from the catalogue in the 70s? It seems that everything went down the tubes in that decade, architecture, fashion, car design etc. Have you ever seen a metallic brown Morris Marina the replacement for the Minor? There was something seriously wrong with people in the 70s.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   metallic brown touch up paint posted by P.C. Kohler on 1/16/2004 at 10:34:47 PM
It's most likely a distinction without a difference!

Actually some of Raleigh's colours during this period were just godawful. Who wants a top quality lightweight racer in coffee? Yuck. Or an all white 3-speed Sports? Or an all yellow Sprite (this was just too much even back then.. and is the rarest of the colours). They did continue to offer the Sports and the DL-1 in black. The nicest "new" colour for the Sports was surely Platinum. Very elegant. I think this was not a new colour at all being a renamed silver grey used on the Lenton Grand Prix in the late '50s. Indeed, Raleigh recycled the same paints all the time with new names. Or used what were Humber or Rudge paints on Raleighs.

Suffice to say, the only colour for a British bike remains BLACK although traditional dark Raleigh Green or Rudge Maroon takes a lot of beating.

My wife wants a Humber Clipper, ladies frame, in Polychromatic Lilac.

P.C. Kohler

FOR SALE:   Update: more cycles and some price changes. posted by: VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc. at OldRoads.com on 1/14/2004 at 9:14:25 PM
We've posted some more vintage bicycles and reduced the prices on some which have been getting 'stale'.
Have a look by clicking on 'Bicycles for Sale' at the top of this page.

Vin - VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc.

AGE / VALUE:   dating a schwinn wheel posted by: marc on 1/14/2004 at 3:21:05 PM
I have a 1973 5 speed schwinn sport collegiate with racing drop bars. My question has to do with the front wheel. Both front and back are stamped schwinn tubular S-6 but while I was cleaning it up I noticed the front hub was stamped differently than the back hub. The front hub has the Schwinn name in script style that they used back in the fifties and such. The rear hub's stamp is of the period of the bike. Is there any way to date the front wheel? Do I have an older wheel that wound up on this bike somewhere along its life or did schwinn continue to use this mark into the 70's?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   dating a schwinn wheel posted by smith on 1/21/2004 at 5:42:43 PM

MISC:   Other interests? posted by: James on 1/14/2004 at 8:18:04 AM
I'm curious, what other hobbies do you people have? Any British car/motorcycle people here? Or Citoren nuts? Vintage calculator collectors?

   RE:MISC:   Other interests? posted by James on 1/14/2004 at 8:22:42 AM
Citoren = Citroen

   RE:MISC:   Other interests? posted by MR on 1/14/2004 at 12:37:23 PM
I have a vintage Seiko finger touch calculator watch. It has no buttons, you actually draw the shape of the numbers and functions on the face of the watch. It also has a nine jewel watch movement. WOWZERS!!

   RE:MISC: Other interests? posted by Warren on 1/14/2004 at 2:38:23 PM
Over the years it's been bikes, BMW motorcycles, ('72 R75/5, '77 R60/7), primatives (furniture), vintage woodworking tools.

BTW...if you are into citroen's (or art films)...you've got to see "The Goddess of 67". Very cool/noir australian flick surrounding the purchase of a rare and beautiful car.

I guess watching independant films is another "pastime" as opposed to hobby that I could add to the list

   RE:MISC:   Other interests? posted by sam on 1/14/2004 at 5:39:12 PM
Besides bicycles,well...let's see,old books that interest me,old railroad stuff,lights-lanterns(just bought another today),tools,cars,and I have 3 houses built about 1910(Collecting old houses!now that's a hobby ha,ha!)---sam

   RE:MISC:   Other interests? posted by Matthew on 1/14/2004 at 6:19:10 PM
Mini's, the sort you find in the original Italian Job film. My son and I have one each both hard working little cars with huge 1000cc (60cu.in) engines. We belong to Norfolk (UK) mini owners club, look for the website www.drive.to/nmoc We have great fun, maybe the big cars can beat us on the straights but minis rule the bends, and bend the rules!

Matthew, driving to work is fun!

   RE:MISC:   Other interests? posted by James on 1/15/2004 at 3:04:28 AM
I'm was a british car nut, an obsession replaced by the british bicycle, I have a light blue 72 Series 1 XJ6 but I don't really drive it anymore, I usually ride my raleigh or take the streetcar or bus. I collect East German and Soviet cameras, Exakta and various crappy soviet cameras, I will not use a modern camera anymore. I also have a thing for Citroens and Tatra (czech) sedans, russian typewriters and rusty found objects.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Other interests? posted by James on 1/15/2004 at 3:11:35 AM
I wouldn't mind having an old Mini, the vintage mini population in portland is exploding, almost every day I see and old rhd mini racing about. I used to think the old ones were too small but now that I've gotten use to riding my Raleighs in traffic downtown I think I could get use to size.

   RE:MISC:   Other interests? posted by Jeff Bikeguy on 1/15/2004 at 3:34:52 AM
I collect bottle caps and would also like to find a nice old Mini.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Other interests? posted by paul v on 1/15/2004 at 9:52:38 AM
i build minature steam trains,collect rare books,collect volvos and of course bikes and all the stuff that goes with it ,who said life was boring

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Other interests? posted by Stacey on 1/15/2004 at 3:59:38 PM
Firearms. I collect Bolt Action Mauser Military weapons and shoot both 100 yard benchrest and clays in all varieties.

1 shot, 1 kill

   RE:MISC:   Other interests? posted by Ric Sona on 1/15/2004 at 5:07:18 PM
My collection of Glass Tumblers numbers a few hundred pieces. 7-UP, Pepsi, Coke, etc.
I also have some old Brass/Copper kerosene lamps they use on boats which I did some modifications to use a electric lightbulb, which I use as wall-lamps.

   RE:MISC:   Other interests? posted by Lane on 1/16/2004 at 12:41:54 AM
Marbles (I've lost mine), Antique Stationary One Lunger Gas Engines, Model A Fords and other mechanical wonders.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Other interests? posted by David Poston on 1/16/2004 at 4:09:11 AM
Don't get me started--I could go on all day here.

Let's see:

Victorian furniture (nothing else for our house!), antique leather-bound books (I read 'em too!), period clothing circa 1890s-1930s(I wear 'em too!), 19th century Spencerian penmanship (yes, I'm working on it), music (well, that's another story, not a hobby), history (same there), collecting bladed weapons of the world, knife and axe throwing (at a target, that is), traditional Asian archery...

If you think you're weird, think again! If it's antiquated, it has my interest!


   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Other interests? posted by Christopher on 1/16/2004 at 4:48:09 PM
Family and the things I care about relating to family.
Being there and seeing it and tasting it and being a part of it, whatever it is... before it is gone. Only being involved in cool things with cool people, and I want to be ahead of the game, ahead of my time.
Getting to the party before it is all over so I can at least hear one song, have one last bite of food, one last sip of a drink, and just one last dance before it is all over. I've arrived there to late it seems.
Keeping things moving, never losing hope, or the will to get out of bed. Dispite deaths and crappy times I have a life to live and I'm gonna live it. Awesome things are gonna happen and most all that I need to do is show up and give it some effort.
Remembering to refuse delivery of negative things. Grab ahold of it quick and spin it around, smack it on the tail and tell it to keep moving!
Chasing the wind. My belief in things that I care about and love. Courage to fight for whatever I hold dear or believe in. Looking around, enjoying every moment.
Talking to people every day. The simple joys of being alive the interesting conversation with a total stranger and where all anything can lead from there.
Architectual salvage, antiques,film, vintage clothing, movies, mechanical pencils, exploration, studying history.
Too many flea markets and estate sales , garage sales as any type sale for one crazy fool to attempt to do. I want to go to even more. Learning. Reading. I want to cook and bake. Turn up the radio and sing and not worry about any crap. Travel. I want to learn how in the heck I'm gonna get these silly floor tiles un stuck off my kitchen floor so I can re- do this kitchen floor of mine all by myself.
The search for something interesting/ fun/ adventerous to be a part of or be involved in to do. Remembering to try to find spontaneous, wild, adventures while all the time being clean and decent and remembering to keep my butt out of trouble. I want to make the most out of every day as if it were to be my last. I want to put up a bird feeder and watch the birds for 10 minutes during breakfast before work. Putting in and maintaining a garden this year if it's the last thing I ever do.

I'm restless and searching and thirsty. Why and searching for just what, I can't quite put my finger on it. I'll know when I find it.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Other interests? posted by Edward in Vancouver on 1/18/2004 at 8:40:25 PM
Besides bikes? Dreaming about the time when I will have time for hobbies--basically anything I can do with my hands. With two kids and a business to run, and dealing with a cat who refuses to "do it" outside when Vancouver had it's freak snow storm a few weeks ago, I've only got time to dream...

   RE:MISC: Other interests? posted by Rif on 1/20/2004 at 4:48:21 PM
Oh jeez,
Bikes are my main hobby but then there's motorized bikes, vintage and antique motorcycles, Action figures and toys, hearses and ambulances, school buses, Movies (I've got over three-hundred in my current collection),Television memorabilia, Art, architecture (especially old houses PRIOR to mid-century post modern), literature (just the other day I found my old, COMPLETE, collection of the Hardy Boys from when I was a wee, muscle bike riding, lad), old furnishings, music, trains, old planes, old cars (I'm currently selling off my decades worth of collecting old sixties MoPar parts and cars), Pedal cars, cemetery and funeral items, Junk, and stuff.
I guess basically I'm a collector (or pack rat however you want to look at it) I just like stuff. I'm kinda like," OOOHHH, that's cool I need to take that home!" Or, OOOOHHH! shiney thing, I need to own that!"
I love junk stores, antique shops, swap meets, scrap yards, auctions, and what-have-you.

   RE:RE:MISC: Other interests? posted by Rif on 1/20/2004 at 4:53:45 PM
Forgot to mention in the cars section: Messeschmitts and Volvos along with the mopars, hearses, ambulances and buses...

   RE:RE:RE:MISC: Other interests? posted by Chris on 1/23/2004 at 10:04:13 PM
Herses, yes, old Herses are cool. However, I had a pal one time that would not get into the thing!
Last old herse I ran across was being used by a band to move equipment and it worked for them.

AGE / VALUE:   1950's? I think NOT. posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 1/13/2004 at 2:04:34 AM

From what I can see in the pic, it appears that there is not a spot of chrome on this bike. Unless it's THAT rusty. That and the olde style shifter leads me to think it's war era.

Pretty kewl nonetheless. Unfortunately for me, it's kinda on the wrong side of the pond....


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1950's? I think NOT. posted by David on 1/13/2004 at 11:53:25 AM
There's no obvious white paint on the rear mudguard (and notice where the taillight/reflector ? is mounted.) What do you think the bullet-shaped thing mounted on the seatstay is? (BTW, on the PBS showing of color film from WWII, I noticed a shiny newish English bike rolling up to an American bomber - no chrome, but bright white patch.)

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1950's? I think NOT. posted by MR on 1/13/2004 at 2:24:10 PM
Nope, it's a wartime, or older bike with all black hardware. It's a very nice desirable bike.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1950's? I think NOT. posted by Pete on 1/13/2004 at 6:35:30 PM
My guess it's 1930s and it's an All Weather model with drum
brakes and all black parts. Very nice bike !!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1950's? I think NOT. posted by Matthew on 1/13/2004 at 6:44:01 PM
Now this is impressive. The rake of the head, the shallow curve of the mudguards, (across the width), the gear change, the lining on the chain case all speak of much earlier than the 50's. I would guess this is a late 1920's or early 1930's machine, with maybe a K-series hub (1931-38). Late 30's cycles had the handlebar mounted brass gear change with an unusually long lever, probably shortened in design later for safety reasons. This cycle is a real worthy I would think you would find it a valuable addition if you shipped it across the pond. I'll watch it but I won't bid because I really don't need it and it will almost certainly be too big for me, I'm 5'4" and have a 29" inside leg, most 28" wheeled cycles are too tall for me, especially if they have a crossbar!

Matthew, looking at a real beauty this time!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1950's? I think NOT. posted by Matthew on 1/13/2004 at 6:54:38 PM
This is a good'un, a real worthy!
The gear change, the rake of the head, the flatter cross curve of the mudguards, the lining of the chain case all speak of late 1920's or early 1930's. I guess it might well have a K-series hub or earlier. Definitely not 1950's, not what you'd call a DL-1. This is a very good find, even though it is tempting, it is probably too big for me. Go ahead bid for it! You will not be disappointed, this isn't my auction but I can recognise something of worth, this would not end up in a skip even amongst the cyclo-philistines this side of the pond. (Sorry any philistine readers no offence intended)

Get yourself a deerstalker and breeches and get bidding!

Matthew, impressed and watching with interest.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1950's? I think NOT. posted by Matthew on 1/13/2004 at 6:56:30 PM
Sorry I didn't mean to get carried away!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   1950's? I think NOT. posted by David on 1/19/2004 at 7:42:29 PM
I just got a reply from the seller:

"Have just discovered a frame No.M48896 which apparently makes this a 1933

AGE / VALUE:   very enjoyable website posted by: sam on 1/13/2004 at 12:42:54 AM
I really enjoyed reading this site...haven't finished but I'm getting called to supper---check out--http://freespace.virgin.net/stones.ukp/index.htm

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   very enjoyable website posted by Ken on 1/14/2004 at 7:03:38 PM
Another cool find- thanks sam. This guy has stuff I would love to find for sale...

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Univega 3 speed -- tourist copy for sale posted by: tom on 1/12/2004 at 4:33:52 PM
Any interest here for a raleigh sports copy?
Univega "tri-star" 3 speed shimano. Pretty baby blue color. Excellent condition. Looks like a japanese version of the classic british 3 speed.
no bites here, off to ebay.
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