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Archived: English Roadsters

FOR SALE:   4 sail posted by: Edward in Vancouver on 2/8/2004 at 9:27:41 PM
In spite of all the dinner-table conversations since Newyear's, I have, -for the sake of keeping domestic peace- decided to return the garage back to it's intended use: Someplace to park the car. This leaves me with only 4 stalls, my daughter's souped up RSW, my Superbe, my Pinarello, and the wife's Bianchi. I have two bikes up for offering:
"Fixie" a Philip's "10 speed" frame with 700 wheels, Shimano crank and old 600 brakes. C/W Wright's leather saddle.

"Franken-bike" A 50's Raleigh Sports brown/red frame with some unique improvements. A 36 spk GH6 with tiny Soubitz front lamp, reflectalite bulb, and self installed rocker switch. The Drive train consists of Shimano axle and crank, original cups, and a "souped up" FG hub. The dyno has been replaced with a rear S/A drum brake, and two hyperglide sprockets (14 and 26, I think) have been added on. Shifting is done with an Allvit and Suntour barcon, as well as a regular S/A 4 spd shifter. Front brake is a Shimano Tourney with salmon Kool stops and a tiny Weinman knob-style cable adjuster. All cables and housings are new. C/W serviceable b72, full Raleigh fenders and chainguard and generic chrome package carrier.
Offers accepted from anyone in the BC/Seattle area, as I don't think anyone wants to pay S & H for these bikes (Bike crazy yes, but I'm also realistic...)

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   NOS Phillips Celtonia Pedals for Sale posted by: Kevin Cullen on 2/8/2004 at 2:01:55 AM
FOR SALE: One pair of "Phillips Celtonia Gents' Full Rubber Pedals," probably 50+ years old but still in the original Phillips cardboard box, and still wrapped in Phillips tissue paper. These are big, heavy roadster pedals, absolutely mint, stamped "Phillips--England" and a product of "Phillips Quality Bicycle Fitments, J. A. Phillips & Co., Limited, Birmingham, England." Price is $75 postpaid.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   NOS Phillips Celtonia Pedals for Sale posted by GMS on 2/9/2004 at 11:14:02 PM
well id sure like to have them sience I only have 1 & 1/2 genuine phillips pedals for my Nottingham! But I got some that look just like them, better shape and they work well, plus that most other things on the bike have been replaced with other parts...yea its my little hot rod....

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: James on 2/7/2004 at 4:23:13 AM
I finally saw one bike that actually looked good in coffee, it was a Raleigh Supercourse with chrome tipped fork that had been turned into a one speed "sports": brown brooks saddle, northroad handle bar, alu honji fenders, vintage bell . I guess that's the velohead version of the vintage raleigh.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/7/2004 at 1:03:37 PM
Well, when I procured my very first Raleigh, circa 1970, I procured a small-framed Sprite 27 10-speed. It was a whopping $110 and I had my choice between the coffee coloured and the gold. While the coffee was "OK", the gold stood out as it was a much nicer contrast with the black trim on the tubes and the black DL-1 type fenders.

But, I must say, being a lad of 11 and wandering around an entire showroom of brand new Raleighs.... One of those moments that is never forgotten! They were all gorgeous!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:AGE / VALUE: posted by Warren on 2/7/2004 at 9:11:44 PM
Those Honjo fenders are beautiful...they make any bike rise above their station. Super Courses are a nice supple ride.

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Royale posted by: Ward Davis on 2/6/2004 at 1:29:33 PM
Gentleman: Could anyone shed some light on the quality and desireability of this Raleigh Royale Ebay#3653021962? Any info would be much appreciated. Thanks

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Royale posted by P.C. Kohler on 2/6/2004 at 4:17:03 PM
Ward.. this is a nice frame set with the classic early 60s "wrap" of the backstay over the seat tube. But it's still made of plain 'ol 2030 carbon steel. See the recent thread on the Vintage Lightweight site re. the Raleigh Gran Sport which discusses Raleigh abandoning of Reynolds 531 tubing on their machine c. 1962.

But if you not interested in a true "lightweight" and want a frame to hang all manner of wonderful c. 1962-65 components, this is a great frame set.

Me.. I just can't get enthused with BROWN racing bikes somehow... it's just too Brady Bunch era for me. I went through my Raleigh "Coffee" phase in 1973 when it was cool. Or was it really?

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Royale posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/6/2004 at 10:33:35 PM
And what's wrong with Coffee? Well... OK, on some bikes it just doesn't fit. BUT... compared to the glaring colours on bikes being mfg'd today? I will GLADLY take coffee over flourescent gorilla snot yellow ANY DAY!



Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh Royale posted by P.C. Kohler on 2/7/2004 at 3:58:12 AM
Ah Gorilla Snot Yellow.. perchance are you referring to the other colour the Sprite 27 came in?

Faced with that choice, I thought Coffee was just my cup of tea.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh Royale posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/7/2004 at 12:56:47 PM
The original G.S. yellow was rather a far flung Idea, I would certainly agree. The newer version... the FLOURESCENT G.S. yellow....GAH!

As to what may be the advantages of such glaring colours, well, visibility would be my best guess. Though, I don't know if that was the intent of the original G.S.Yellow.

Being a motorcycle as well as a bicycle enthusiast, there is one thing I keep in mind at all times when riding. That of course would be RULE # 1

No matter what colour your ride, no matter how glaring the colours of your clothing...


With that in mind, I ride whatever colour bike I like!

As far as what my preference is, or cup of tea, well... Black of course (being the tradidionalist), Raleigh Green, Red... any others, well... as long as it's an English bike...


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh Royale posted by Ward Davis on 2/7/2004 at 5:12:45 PM
P.C.: The bike I was refering to is green. What were you looking at(coffee)?

AGE / VALUE:   Very rare early S/A hub on ebay posted by: sam on 2/6/2004 at 3:15:48 AM
Yea,I should keep my mouth shut and bid! Got too many unfinished projects to start another. So look at this hub.-http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3701577666&category=1217
is this a K model?Type used on early 1920s American roadesters---sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Very rare early S/A hub on ebay posted by MR on 2/6/2004 at 8:15:50 PM
Nope, it looks like an old american coaster hub.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Very rare early S/A hub on ebay posted by Rif on 2/7/2004 at 5:03:47 PM
Hiya Sam!
That appears to be an Early american three-speed coaster hub. I cant tell by the pic.s if it is original to the rim, but in any case it's fairly old as it's a skiptooth.
It looks like it's pretty corroded and worked but by the same token it's pretty cool...
I'D say it's for a 1900's to 19-teens bike, but without being able to inspect it in person, I won't say anything for certain.
It would be cool (if restorable) on you 'Faux Antique' Motor-Bicycle!!!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Very rare early S/A hub on ebay posted by James on 2/8/2004 at 1:27:44 AM
What american companies made 3 speed coaster hubs?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Very rare early S/A hub on ebay posted by sam on 2/8/2004 at 4:38:06 AM
Several companies made coaster brakes with gears,Corbin,new departure,musselman,torpedo,and Sturmey-Archer.The 1915 Sears catalog offered a Cheif with 2-speed Sturmey-Archer coaster brake--this hub doesn't look like any of the american hubs.PS during WW1 S/A had their coaster hubs for the American market built in the U.S.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Very rare early S/A hub on ebay posted by Pete on 2/12/2004 at 10:33:42 PM
Please remenber that some Sturmey Archer tricoasters were made in the USA due to production problems over here possibly related to WW1 . I once had one which was quite clearly stamped Sturmey Archer Made in the USA

AGE / VALUE:   A couple SA questions posted by: Niels on 2/5/2004 at 6:32:39 PM
Hi everyone; I imagine that this would be the most appropriate place to post this. Was it 1973 that the date stamp on SA hubs was really faint? I know it was some time around then, just forget the exact year. Also, has anyone ever heard of the S2 hub? 2 speed automatic without coaster brake. Any idea what it's worth (great used shape or NOS)? I understand that they only ever made 11,000 of them. Thanks!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Parts trade posted by: Brian on 2/5/2004 at 12:17:02 PM
For trade - I've got a DBU w/clamps, headlight, NOS taillight lenses
w/ metal surround pieces, a woman's Humber Sport bike sans seat &
wheels for trade - other stuff too. Pictures available by email
attachment to list member. If you're near NYC even better - I'd have
you stop by & check the stuff out. please send questions off-list. Thank you!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   It's Not Fair! posted by: Phil Deaves on 2/5/2004 at 10:54:34 AM
A colleague regularly rides a pre-WW2 Raleigh, rod brakes, shifter in a quadrant mounted on the frame, black. Says he prefers it to his mountain bike. Can't get him to sell it!

Oh well, at least the machine's in regular use, well cared for, loved even. Better than being abandoned over a fence.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   It's Not Fair! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/5/2004 at 11:51:21 PM
Ya got me goin' there Phil. First thing that came to mind was... If the sho were on the other foot, would YOU sell it?

To your point though... it is ridden, cared for and yes, loved. And that is the bottom line. And why I'm on an informal mission to "rescue the roadsters".


Larry "Boneman" Bone

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dutch Roadster Gazelle update posted by: Wes Kinsler on 2/4/2004 at 5:59:58 PM
Greetings once again to all!!!!
Many months ago I posted regarding my recent addition to my collection, a 1963 Dutch Gazelle.
My Gazelle now has brand new 26x1-3/8 Westwood rims which I purchased from a cycle shop in England called Cycles of Yesteryear. These are new steel rims and I paid 10 Pounds each for them, plus shipping.

In addition to the rims, I purchased a brand new, current production Sturmey-Archer AB hub. This hub is a combination 3-speed/drum brake.

I have so far only installed the new rear rim and hub. The old front rim is still sound, with no rust holes. I will replace it when I replace the badly rusted front drum brake hub with a new S-A drum hub.

Although the current production S-A hubs are made in Tiawan, the quality is excellent!!

I have been riding my Gazelle, with its rod-operated drum brakes for over a month now daily, and I am very happy with the way it handles. It rides very smooth with its long wheelbase.
The all-weather braking has proven itself greatly in this Oklahoma winter weather!
When summer comes back around, I plan on stripping the bike down and repainting it. All of the paint is gone, probably for the same reason that the rims were rusted through and the old S-A rear hub was frozen solid when I purchased it.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dutch Roadster Gazelle update posted by James on 2/4/2004 at 8:00:45 PM
I've heard that the quality of SA products has improved since relocation to taiwan and there is an 8 speed hub on the way. Does the AB hub make the proper clicking noises?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dutch Roadster Gazelle update posted by Wes Kinsler on 2/4/2004 at 9:45:53 PM
Yes, the hub makes all the same clicks as the old AB hub, and works with the standard three-speed S-A trigger.

The internal mechanism of the new AB hub is slightly different than the old AB hub. The most notable difference is that there is no position where the peddles can spin freely in between gears, and the gear engagement is much more positive feeling. You don't have to rotate the peddles to lign up the internals when shifting from 3 to 2 to 1.

The new hub shell and bearings are exactly identical to the old ones. The hub gear internals are interchangable as a unit, allowing you to "upgrade" an old AB hub if your shell is still good.

The finish on the new hubshells is different. It is a "sand finish" (my own word) instead of the polished finish of the old hubs. I think it is still chrome plated though.

The brake mechanism, as a unit, is also fully interchangeable with the old AB brakes.

So, everything is win-win!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dutch Roadster Gazelle update posted by James on 2/6/2004 at 12:41:11 AM
Where did you get your Gazelle? I want one. I had a newer one when I lived in germany and wished I'd brought it back. There was a vintage store in Munich that usually had 2 or 3 rod brake roadsters for sale for 150-200, even a few Royal Enfields. Unfortunately my vintage bicycle fetish didn't develop until I moved back to Portland.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dutch Roadster Gazelle update posted by Wes Kinsler on 2/6/2004 at 8:13:55 PM
I bought my Gazelle from an antique shop in the town where I live in central Oklahoma.

It had been hanging from the shop's ceiling for at least a year and a half. The shop owner bought it thinking it would be a nice piece to sell for decor, not for riding! I have seen many old bikes go this way, in resturants.
I feel I did good, only paying $70 for it, and rescuing it.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dutch Roadster Gazelle update posted by MR on 2/6/2004 at 8:22:38 PM
That's how I got my Raleigh Tourist! It hung in a bike shop for twenty years as a display, then a chap bought it, and hung it in his shop. It was covered with dust, but still has the flashing on the tyres. I cleaned it up, and am very very pleased with it.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Dutch Roadster Gazelle update posted by Wes Kinsler on 2/6/2004 at 9:32:39 PM
Unfortunately, my Gazelle spent most of its life sitting behind a barn. That's where it was according to the antique shop owner when she bought it. It sounds like you've got a great machine, MR!!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Clear topcoat posted by: James on 2/4/2004 at 9:37:07 AM
This site is Great!!! I just bought a 77 Raleigh Sports in a hunter green with a slight gold metalic flake (Campus Green?). I have disasembled and cleaned the bike and all of the sub-assemblies. The paint has some big dings and it is missing some paint in areas that cannot be seen (facing the tires), after I clean the rust off should I paint the entire bike with an automotive clear coat to protect the bare spots while bringing the shine back to the paint?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Clear topcoat posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/4/2004 at 10:37:03 AM
Congrats first off on the acquisition of a fine ride! Careful though.... the acquisition can lead to addiction... fixation... obsession.... Take that from someone that has lost count of the amount of Roadsters in the basement.

As far as the painting, unless the paint is way far gone, usually accepted practice is to clean it up as best you can (which it sounds like you have done) and give it a good waxing with a high quality automotive wax.

Additionally, some folks here have come up with ingenious paint combinations that you can use to "touch up" the rough spots. Hopefully, there will be more information forthcoming.

Good luck with the bike!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Clear topcoat posted by James on 2/4/2004 at 6:20:05 PM
We have the same name and the same type of bicycle.

I wonder if clear coat wouldn't make the scratches and dings more obvious?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Clear topcoat posted by P.C. Kohler on 2/4/2004 at 10:23:34 PM
I would caution against clearcoating anything except a brand new finish. The worst thing you can do is "trap" corrosion and incipient moisture under a clear coat. It will eventually "surface" and bubble the finish. You'd be better to retouch where you can, polish what's left with rubbing compound/polishing compound/Turtle Wax and or shoe polish in that order. If the decals/transfers are fragile, you could try brushing on a coat of clear finish or varnish. Copperwool/Barkeeper's Friend/Simichrome in that order for the brightwork.

AGE / VALUE:   missed posted by: sam on 2/3/2004 at 5:36:24 PM
Missed the palcos on ebay-darn! Maybe a set of webbs will show someday--sam

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   42 Hercules posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/3/2004 at 10:18:21 AM

Came across this one this AM. Worth keeping an eye on certainly.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   42 Hercules posted by P.C. Kohler on 2/3/2004 at 5:31:28 PM
This is adorable! One of those wonderful "12 miles on the clock" time warps and all the more interesting not being a Raleigh. I love the chromed fork tips. Pity she's a 21" frame. Interesting.. bought in 1942 in Chicago.... the British managed to make and export bikes during the absolute darkest days of the Second World War or is this perchance a pre-war model that waited for an owner??

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   42 Hercules posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/3/2004 at 7:59:14 PM
Could very well be a pre-war "leftover". Particularly considering the chrome. And yes... that chromed fork is most awesome.

The documentation is what will drive the price UP on this one. At least that's what one would think. After all... a 62 year old receipt?!?!?! W O W !

BTW... I found this, forgive me, by searching on the phrase "english racer".


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   42 Hercules posted by Edward in Vancouver on 2/4/2004 at 12:33:01 AM
Wonder if it has an AW, with those fancy wing nuts... Somebody must have really loved that bike.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   42 Hercules posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/4/2004 at 1:18:57 AM
You know, one does have to wonder if it's an AW hub or not. And to P.C.'s point, if it is in fact a pre-war leftover. Note the chrome as well as the absence of the white panel on the rear fender.

I would ask the sellor about hub date-coding, but since I'm pondering possibly bidding on this one... well... it would be just my luck it ends up being a 1939 model and gets de-listed or something.

I am somewhat puzzled about the allusion to the pants clip the original owner had "prior to getting the chainguard". Seems to me that this one should have a chaincase... but then, for export to the states, maybe not.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: 42 Hercules posted by P.C. Kohler on 2/4/2004 at 3:56:42 AM
Chaincase??? Not bloody likely... this has more "club" bike than roadster to it. The handlebars are the only disappointment.. needs a nice pair of pre-war shallow drops. And it would certainly not have a chainguard. So this was indeed added later I'd wager.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: 42 Hercules posted by Chris on 2/5/2004 at 1:24:14 AM
I want to jump on it and take it for a spin!
I hate the Wald kickstand on this but it original. Well, added on by the shop that assembled it.
Liked the wingnuts!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   42 Hercules posted by GMS on 2/6/2004 at 4:02:16 PM
That one will go for alot...has everything..even the recipt....any guesses as to how much?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   42 Hercules posted by P.C. Kohler on 2/6/2004 at 4:20:02 PM
I wager this won't even get more than a handful of bids or make its reserve.

It's a Hercules... not a Raleigh so not a "trophy" bike for the neophytes with deep pockets who troll eBay. And to most, it looks like any 1960s three-speed, receipt or not.

P.C. Kohler

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I got quite the chuckle out of this one posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/3/2004 at 1:18:28 AM

Came across this on Ebay. A Ladies Hercules. I can't imagine that the shifter is in any way stock, but I could be wront there. Either way, I was a bit hysterical with laughter over it.

No offence if this is your auction. And who knows... perhaps it is the correct shifter?


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I got quite the chuckle out of this one posted by Edward in Vancouver on 2/3/2004 at 4:21:00 AM
The operative word here is "Chopper". Those Chopper boys on e-bay will bid up to $50.00 for a stick shift like that, and the rest of the bike is up for parting out.

Of course I get a big kick when I see mundane parts like "R" nuts or AW toggle chains that could have come from any Raleigh bike being exclusively sold as "Chopper" parts.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I got quite the chuckle out of this one posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/3/2004 at 10:14:00 AM
Aaaaah! I get it. Speaking of Choppers, while I always liked them as a kid and they most certaily are the "coolest" of the "muscle bikes", I must say, I am taken aback at the prices they seem to demand on Ebay, etc.

While for the most part, I'm not interested, if I were to come across one on the cheap from the usual and customary "cheap bike" sources, I would grab it in a heartbeat for just that reason!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: I got quite the chuckle out of this one posted by J M Vernooy on 2/4/2004 at 12:43:16 AM
Chopper has been re-isssued. http://www.bikebiz.co.uk/daily-news/article.php?id=3619
Still wondering when and if DL-1 will be re-issued.
Then there's the price it would sell for.
At today's prices very likely to be at least in the $1000 area, maybe more.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: I got quite the chuckle out of this one posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/4/2004 at 1:12:36 AM
Hmmmm.... a re-issue DL-1. Now THAT would be most interesting. Would it have an internally geared hub? How much weight would they knock off it with "modern" materials?

Certainly a lot to ponder! Of course, it will all be based on one thing. "Focus Groups".... IF the "Focus Group" sez they would actually BUY one, then, maybe they would manufacture them.

My experience with "Focus Group" driven business had never really been positive...

But... we can dream!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: I got quite the chuckle out of this one posted by James on 2/4/2004 at 9:45:29 AM
The Roadster never died, it moved to Denmark. http://www.raleighbikes.dk/showbikes.asp?cykelkategoriid=19

until last month they offered a model with a SA AW hub and rod operated drum brakes.
they also have a "Sports."

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: I got quite the chuckle out of this one posted by James on 2/4/2004 at 9:51:58 AM
The danish Roadster costs $757 the Sports are of course less expensive. Not so bad when you consider that Trek wants $800 for their ugly imitation dutch bike.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: I got quite the chuckle out of this one posted by James on 2/4/2004 at 9:56:43 AM
The roadster like has Aluminiun rims, as do dutch bikes with 28 inch wheels. Bike shops in these countries might be a source of aluminium rims - might be a good idea if use your Roadsters to commute in the rain.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I got quite the chuckle out of this one posted by James on 2/4/2004 at 10:08:24 AM
I rather like the Maxinette Alu http://www.raleighbikes.dk/showbikes.asp?cykelkategoriid=29
a lightweight alternative to the heavy swedish Kronan?

The previous entry contains a rather embarassing typo, it should read "The roadster has aluminium rims", I am not a californian.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I got quite the chuckle out of this one posted by James on 2/4/2004 at 10:12:07 AM
They still offer the roadster with rod operated drums it is the "Tourist de Luxe Heer m/stangreak." Also available with women's frame.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I got quite the chuckle out of this one posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/4/2004 at 10:48:05 AM
The Dutch Raleighs are wonderful. Great to see these being produced. Though, I daresay, it would be difficult if not costly, to actually get one over here in the states.

But, you never know. The young "velo-heads" at work, and there's quite a few of them, want bananas over my DL-1 even though to them it is a "TANK". One of them is quite interested in procuring from me one of the ladies Sports I have for his wife. She's a bit hesitant. She LOVES the bike we have picked out for her, but at the moment, between the two of them, they already have 12 or so bicycles.

Of course, she has not yet ridden the Classic Roadster. Methinks if she got a little seat time, the case would be CLOSED!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I got quite the chuckle out of this one posted by James on 2/4/2004 at 6:38:32 PM
The dutch raleigh also makes a few similar bikes, but it doesn't look like they make the Sports of Roadster, only similar style bikes. I don't know what relationship either company has to Raleigh/Derby. The lack of proper bicycyles in the US market is really frustrating, in addition to not getting the bikes mentioned above there is no Gazelle, Batavus, Union, Wanderer, Sögreni etc. Kettler, Kronan and Sheppshult( http://www.skeppshultbikes.com/index.htm ) are available but only from a couple of dealers. I guess this is to be expected in a country where bicycling is seen as an recreational activity (or garage sport, buy a bike hang it in the garage) not a means of transportation. simpler, utilitarian bikes don't mean much to people who have never tried to ride to school in the rain through downtown during rush hour.

btw. Has anyone tried one of the Kronan bikes? I've heard they are heavy but I would like to know how the weight compares to a Raleigh sports 23". There is of course no way for me to test ride a Kronan as they are not sold in my area.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I got quite the chuckle out of this one posted by alonzo on 2/5/2004 at 5:49:25 AM
I see a few Kronans out here in Berkeley. They do look built for work, not for speed. For a while local bike store momovelo.com was selling them. Alas, I heard from the storeowner that Kronan recently went out of business.

AGE / VALUE:   2030 Decals posted by: Ward Davis on 2/2/2004 at 1:34:28 PM
Just out of curiosity, why are most of the 2030 decals, even on relatively new bikes, almost always in poor condition when the rest of the decals are often almost perfect? Does it have something to do with where a bike repair stand is attached? Thanks.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   2030 Decals posted by P.C. Kohler on 2/2/2004 at 9:19:45 PM
Odd.. the same things happens to Reynolds 531 tubing decals in the same location. Invariably they just seem to fall to pieces. Maybe it is those awful repair stand clamps... I have put the fear of eternal damnation into the nice folks at my local bike shop about using those stands without proper protection for the transfers and paintwork. So far so good. Eternal damnation is doubtless over-rated but it does give pause...

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   2030 Decals posted by Chris on 2/2/2004 at 11:43:53 PM
Sometimes I think that these came new with messed up Reynolds stickers at least to the folks in America

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   2030 Decals posted by mike patterson on 2/5/2004 at 3:01:11 PM
Park tools sells a great device that grips the bike from inside the seat post, however, it is expenxive so I cut the bar clamp off an old 1 1/8" mountain bike stem (the old GT flip-flop stem is nice for this), put it in the seat post with the expander wedge and bolt to hold it in place and clamp the neck of the stem in my repair stand. This also means that the bike will not slip in the stand as is clamped horizontally (is that a word?) not vertically. There are some drawbacks, but it is a good solution to decal damage. Try it.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Late model DL-1 on Ebay posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/1/2004 at 11:09:36 PM

This is a little scary. Yes, it's in extremely good condition with some "extra stuff". I'm amazed it's bid up this high with 7 days to go on the auction.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Late model DL-1 on Ebay posted by Dick in FL on 2/2/2004 at 12:40:45 AM
Hi Larry,
I also noticed this one. It looks like two guys with negligible feedback and severe OCPD are willing to overlook the seller's equally negligible feedback.

Beautiful machine, though!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Late model DL-1 on Ebay posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 2/2/2004 at 10:39:30 AM
Hmmmm. Negligible feedback. I suppose. Though, my feedback on ebay could be considered negligible as well. Either way, it's bid way outta my league for certain.

What I find interesting is the full chaincase. I recall seeing other very late model DL-1's with them as well. Did they make a change regarding the 40lbs. "tariff" that allowed Raleigh to start shipping bikes thus equipped or did Raleigh make a change to "lighten" them bikes themselves I wonder.

Either way, I would agree, it's a fine machine and in equally fine condition.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Late model DL-1 on Ebay posted by MR on 2/2/2004 at 1:31:12 PM
This model is identicle with my DL-1. Probably same years more or less('78), and same condition. I paid $450 for mine and concidered it a bargain. If only this one had it's original B-66 saddle instead of the piece of crap vinyl junker, I'd bid on it myself. I'd wager it'll go up to $750 or higher, and it is WORTH it!!

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Late model DL-1 on Ebay posted by Dick in FL on 2/2/2004 at 8:41:16 PM
Y'know ... I've wondered about later models with full chaincases myself. I came to suspect that some domestic models continued to be furnished with them. I have an early 70's Superbe that I have fitted with a full chaincase that the very reliable British seller insists came from a 1982 Superbe which he parted out. (I saw photos of the fenders with mud flaps.) The color is a different shade of green than my bike and I had to design and fabricate mounting brackets for it. (It fits fine with *no* rubbing or noise.) 1982 had to be the absolutely "drop-dead" last year they made these with or without the chaincase. Anyone have the history on this??

   Positioning rear mudguard stays posted by David Poston on 2/2/2004 at 10:26:15 PM
OK, I have a silly question. I noticed that the rear mudguard stays are looped over the bolt that connects the backstays to the chainstays, rather than over the rear axle. I've had my DL-1's stays on the rear axle all this time. I noticed that I had to bend the stays, depending on where the wheel sat in the dropouts.

Which is correct?


   RE:Positioning rear mudguard stays posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 2/2/2004 at 11:00:14 PM
Both types are to be found on this same type bicycle. I have owned these Raleigh Tourist D.L.1.' s with the wire stays around the hub axle. A different version with it around the rear backstay bolts and a different version with straight rods that use a different bracket and that is the better version.

The wire stays are found on later models sold in the U.S.A.. This is the export version. The rod type's are found on earlier models and on bikes sold for use in Europe.

Also, I have the wire stays in my stash. All lengths for most all Raleigh's. I never throw anything away!
Bolts and original do- dads for this bike.

Personally, I found the wire arrangement with it around the hub axle to be a poor arrangement. I hated it!
Yes, I remember.
You have the serrated washers and the regular washer, and the nuts and cone locknuts and then that piece of wire which in my opinon, has no freaking business being secured to the axle anyways.
If you go to a different hub with a shorter axle, you will run into trouble because of this piece of wire.
I think Vin here at oldroads.com sells the rod type fender ( mudguard) rod piece but then again.... you are changing stuff. You may well have to buy the whole replacement mudguard to get that part and then the rear mudguard is would not exactly match and that is not good unless you have no rear mudguard at all.

Good Luck.

One good thing about the wire type, it bends back and forth easilly without getting metal fatigue in it.

   RE:RE:Positioning rear mudguard stays posted by David Poston on 2/3/2004 at 6:10:01 AM

I recently listed a rear Raleigh mudguard c. 1950s on e-bay with the rod-type stays, precisely for the reason that it didn't fit my 1970s Raleigh DL-1. (The mudguard is still available for sale, by the way).

Now, the late 70s DL-1 on e-bay has the wire stays but they are looped over the backstay bolts, not over the rear axle. An improper assembly, methinks? I guess I need to look at the DL-1 parts diagram again to straighten this out.