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Archived: English Roadsters

WANTED:   Royal Flyer posted by: Bill on 3/19/2004 at 1:44:42 AM
I'm looking for a Royal Flyer bicycle dated around 1940-49 as complete as posible. This bike was made in England serial # B8308

WANTED:   Bike Search posted by: Mike on 3/18/2004 at 4:40:18 PM
Hi, I'm in search of a rod brake 28 in roadster with full chain case and 3 speed hub. The Eastmans are not bad supposedly but run $400 for one with a 3 speed. Ebay has roadsters sometimes but they're often missing parts that are very hard to find. (I spotted a nice old Phillips on there recently but it's missing the chain case and the color is a difficult one to find). Those sorts of things make ebay tough. Does anyone know a good site or source for the old style Rod Brake roadsters? Anyone have an idea for prices on old Raleighs or English Roadsters vs. new Eastmans and such? Thanks for the help.

   RE:WANTED:   Bike Search posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/19/2004 at 2:43:18 AM
These folks usually have some pretty neat stuff:



Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:WANTED:   Bike Search posted by ron on 3/19/2004 at 12:23:40 PM
A nice raleigh 28 inch rod brake roadster can bring in over a $1000. Not sure what you want to spend, I have a few, good luck.

FOR SALE:    2 raleigh sports posted by: tony silva on 3/18/2004 at 6:13:00 AM
2raleigh sport bikes in fair condition
In calif. e-mail me for more info
make offer on both

AGE / VALUE:   Park CR-2 Cotter Pin Tool Usage posted by: David Poston on 3/17/2004 at 7:40:19 PM
Hi everyone,

I finally won my (new!) Park CR-2 Cotter Press, after losing about 5 auctions and winning one that turned out to be defective. I won't admit the final bid--it cost me about as much as my first British cycle! I also apologise if I snatched it from someone else here on this list. I believe there is another one listed, so you've got a second chance.

Now, can anyone here give me hints/pointers on its proper use? The tool is brand new, so I'd hate to mess it up. Any tricks of the trade I need to know?

Much obliged,


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Park CR-2 Cotter Pin Tool Usage posted by Dick in FL on 3/17/2004 at 8:40:13 PM
David, congratulations on the cotter press acquisition.

You probably don't want to hear this, but a respected tip on cotter press usage is to have TWO on hand .... one for installing pins and one (modified) for removing them. The press for removal is modified by grinding down its pin to a diameter that can chase the cotter pin into its hole in the crank should it become jammed. Are you going to start bidding on the remainung press on ebay?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Park CR-2 Cotter Pin Tool Usage posted by David on 3/18/2004 at 3:56:15 AM
I doubt very much you'll need two. Just be careful not to press too far (and mushroom the spindle). All cotters have yielded to my tool so far with great ease. You'll forget all about the exorbitant price as soon as you've used it a few times. Be sure to use it to press cotters back in, too. The nut on the cotter will not tighten them adequately.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Park CR-2 Cotter Pin Tool Usage posted by Steve Ringlee on 3/18/2004 at 4:09:38 AM
No real tips: use is obvious. Oil the threads on the tool. You might want to use a little tape on the crank arm end of the tool to keep it from scratching the arm. Use some penetrating oil upon removal (the best is PBlaster or Kroil). Place a tiny coating of grease on the cotter pin face. Use the tool to both press in and press out. Orient the cotter pin correctly: the beefy side (opposite the nut) should be 90 degrees ahead of the crank if you consider the pedal making a circle as it goes around. The nut is the trailing side. Cotter pins have size marked in mm of diameter: make sure the replacements match (e.g., a 9 is not the same as a 9.5).

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Park CR-2 Cotter Pin Tool Usage posted by Ralph on 3/18/2004 at 8:20:31 PM
If I had only known....
I used to work for this bike shop in the 80's. They made me supply my own tools and I got the VAR tool. The store had one of the Park tools and I never really liked it compared to my VAR. When the store went out of business I got the small parts inventory and a few other things. The last time I saw that Park tool it was sitting on the bench in an otherwise empty store. I can only presume it landed in the dumpster. I should have snatched it when I had the chance. One of you guys would certainly have appreciated getting your hands on it.

FOR SALE:   Replica Roadster Grips posted by: P.C. Kohler on 3/16/2004 at 3:02:16 PM

Just in time for your Spring tune-ups and restorations….

Roll Britannia proudly offers

Replica Raleigh Industries grey rubber roadster handlebar grips

Prototypical for all Raleigh, Rudge, Humber, Robin Hood and Triumph brand Sports, Dawn and Roadster models c. 1949-1966 but correct for ANY British or Commonwealth-made roadster cycle of the period i.e. Phillips, Hercules, BSA, Sunbeam, New Hudson, Elswick-Hooper, Dawes, James, Sun etc.

4 ¼ inches long. Fits standard British handlebars (7/8” dia). Thick real rubber as the originals with a nice “chunky” feel and real heft. Mould make from authentic original. These are top quality.

See “Topical” Photo Album in Roll Britannia site http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rollbritannia/
for a photograph of the grips.

PROUDLY BRITISH-MADE by the Lee-Healey Co. Ltd. (manufacturers of the old Britannia brand tyres and grips) of Leicestershire.

LIMITED AVAILABILITY: only 100 pairs have been manufactured for this initial production run.


For members of Roll Britannia, Old Roads Discussion Group and Classic Rendezvous


TWO PAIRS of GRIPS: $37.75 (regular price is 19.95 per pair)

Shipping: $3.85 to US addresses, Priority Mail. Overseas and Canada upon application. Insurance: $1.30 extra


PayPal ONLY. www.paypal.com US currency only. Payments should be made to kohl57@starpower.net and any queries to the same address.

FOR SALE:   Items on ebay posted by: Robert on 3/16/2004 at 1:57:30 PM
Some parts for your English rides.


   RE:FOR SALE:   Items on ebay posted by Robert on 3/17/2004 at 12:36:40 AM
Let's try again.


FOR SALE:   2raleigh sports fair condition posted by: Tony Silva on 3/15/2004 at 5:07:49 PM
located in calif.
1970's Raleigh sport 1 grey with carrier 1 green.Seat bag.

FOR SALE:   2raleigh sports fair condition posted by: Tony Silva on 3/15/2004 at 5:07:49 PM
located in calif.
1970's Raleigh sport 1 grey with carrier 1 green.Seat bag.

FOR SALE:   2raleigh sports fair condition posted by: Tony Silva on 3/15/2004 at 5:07:49 PM
located in calif.
1970's Raleigh sport 1 grey with carrier 1 green.Seat bag.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Pre-War 28" Raleigh posted by: David Poston on 3/12/2004 at 5:55:53 AM

Anyone know the exact model on this one? It doesn't have the older, "flat" handlebars but the later ones you see from the 1950s onward. This looks a nice machine.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Pre-War 28 posted by Earl on 3/12/2004 at 6:31:08 PM
1960 or 1925 according to the charts. AW hub is probably later addition

AGE / VALUE:   Wonder what this will go for? posted by: sam on 3/12/2004 at 2:35:18 AM

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Wonder what this will go for? posted by sam on 3/14/2004 at 11:58:59 PM

AGE / VALUE:   cavalier cycle has anyone ever heard of this brand? posted by: chris on 3/10/2004 at 7:23:10 AM
I was recently given a three speed bike by a friend at work. The downtube and plate above the fork say made in england. It has cable brakes and grip shifting and three speed rear hub. The only info I have is Cavalier Cycle. Has anyone ever heard of this brand? It is a Man's bike. It also has 26x1 3/8 tires on both wheels. It appears to be very old bike. Paint is sun and weather beaten black and the fenders are starting to rust.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: cavalier cycle has anyone ever heard of this brand? posted by Warren on 3/11/2004 at 4:12:09 AM
I had one...still have the headbadge because the frame was too twisted to save. Seemed like good quality however...late 50's/early 60's was my guess at it's age. Also black...

FOR SALE:   Selling an unusual bike posted by: Ray on 3/9/2004 at 7:26:43 PM
Here is either a Brit or French bike that I have had for a while. Check out the components.

   RE:FOR SALE:   Selling an unusual bike posted by Matthew on 3/12/2004 at 6:27:04 PM
Could that be a petrol tank for a cycle motor?
The cycle looks familiar but maybe French? Gillot?
J'ne sais pas. Matthew

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Get out the drooling towels... posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/9/2004 at 2:31:14 AM
I don't even know if "Pierce" is a Britsh bike, but it sure looks like a Roadster or early club bike.


Whatever it is.... a little rich for my blood, but an awesome ride nonetheless.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Get out the drooling towels... posted by Ian on 3/9/2004 at 8:04:46 AM
According to the Donald Adams book it is a Pierce Cushion Frame made by George N Pierce & Co who were in business in Buffalo from 1890 to 1935. They also made a shaft drive version. The skip tooth sprocket is a giveaway that this is not an English bike. Cheers, Ian.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Get out the drooling towels... posted by MR on 3/9/2004 at 1:02:00 PM
That's a very old (1890's) road and or track racer. Either way it's a very high ticket racing mount from out of history and time. Someone put a springy saddle on it way back when, but it should be outfitted with a saddle something like a Brooks Pro style but much older. You certainly wouldn't want to ride it!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Get out the drooling towels... posted by sam on 3/9/2004 at 2:36:15 PM
As Ian said this is a Pierce.Only Pierce was built in Buffalo untill 1918--then sold to the Emblem bicycle Company and moved to Angola New York.Emblem built them till about 1940.This one is from the earler time.Take a close look at the front fork--two leaf springs.I also might add Pierce was one of the top of the line bikes being built at that time.And the seat is correct too/troxal or person.--sam

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   unusual Raleigh model posted by: Warren on 3/8/2004 at 12:13:43 AM
Here's a new one spotted today outside the Canadian International Bike show.

It looked to be early 60's Raleigh camel back roadster. Gold Raleigh block lettering on the bronze green paint used for Superbe's but no model name, hockeystick chainguard, westwood 28" Dunlops and a 3 speed TW coaster hub. Couldn't see a date. Similar to the canadian Supercycles and Gliders of the same period (also made by Raleigh)

Cool bike...