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Archived: English Roadsters

AGE / VALUE:   Neat Netherlands Raleigh posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/31/2004 at 2:02:41 AM
If this were a mens' frame I would go for it!



Larry "Boneman" Bone

MISC:    posted by: beth on 3/30/2004 at 9:38:13 PM
Does anyone know where I could research a Hercules bike serial #4987. It appears to be pre-Raleigh in date (from drop outs and chaingard), no hub available to date. but I am trying to find out for sure. Thanks.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mystery Bike posted by: marc on 3/30/2004 at 3:31:01 PM
I picked up a nice ladies bicycle today. The headbadge is missing and there is no sign of a maker anywhere. The frame is fully lugged, cottered cranks, peaked front fender, rear fender has the white tip, its a bright green color, there's some faint gold pintstriping, also has some nice dunlop lightweight tires. I haven't checked the rear hub for a date but it looks to be from the 60's or 70's. The interesting thing about this bike is that it has a sturmey archer grip shift changer. I've never seen a SA grip shift before, I've seen them on japanese hubs. Are these of an particular interest? The bike screams made in england but i'm not sure. It's not bad 5 bucks, the tires are probably worth the price alone.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mystery Bike posted by Matthew on 3/30/2004 at 6:52:30 PM
A twsit shift is rapid and tidy. Having broken my thumb in a hasty dismount from a Triumph TrafficMaster in 1976 I soon adopted a Twist shift on my Marlboro Gents roadster. RSW's had twist shifts on MK1s (or was it MK2s?). The Grifter also had twist shift and of course the 'NEW' choppers have it too. If Your new cycle is called Mistral or some such it may be a Marlboro (English as marmalade on toast) as Marlboro - Hand built in England - had water slide transfers as head badges. Enjoy the ride.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mystery Bike posted by JAMES T. SALZLEIN on 3/30/2004 at 8:57:22 PM
Hello Anglophiles,

I had a early sixties Dunelt that was equipped with a 3 speed Sturmey Archer AW Hub and a grip shift. I loved it. Can't understand why you hardly ever see a grip shift on a Sports or similar bicycle.

Jim Salzlein
Cape May Court House, NJ

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mystery Bike posted by Beth on 3/30/2004 at 9:06:54 PM
My '65 Hercules has a twist grip shifter, Ivory colored. It's ok, but I'm too viscious on my handlebars at times and I pop it from gear to gear at times.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mystery Bike posted by Beth on 3/30/2004 at 9:07:19 PM
My '65 Hercules has a twist grip shifter, Ivory colored. It's ok, but I'm too viscious on my handlebars at times and I pop it from gear to gear at times.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mystery Bike posted by sam on 3/31/2004 at 12:12:57 AM
Ditto for my 72 sports

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mystery Bike posted by Edward in Vancouver on 3/31/2004 at 4:23:33 AM
Had one on my RSW and promptly took it off, too much "unintentional" shifting, even if going over a pothole. Now, if I could alter the length of grip, similar to the Gripshift, so you could shift just with the web of your thumb and forefinger....

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mystery Bike posted by Joe on 3/31/2004 at 4:35:01 AM
I agree with Beth, I have several bikes with S/A twist grip shifters from the early 60's and I have to really be carefull not to accidently shift by mistake. I've often knocked it out of hi into the neutral position between 2nd and 3rd while pedaling. I much prefer the trigger shifted set up.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mystery Bike posted by Matthew on 3/31/2004 at 7:51:22 PM
I must be light on the bars as unintended shifts are not a problem for me. By the wat I disposed of the gripshift on my mountain bikes, to inprecise and always out of adjustment.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mystery Bike posted by Oscar on 4/2/2004 at 5:25:19 AM
I noticed that the nipple on the shift end of the cable is very small. It must be very hard to find a replacement cable.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules Spoke Numbers posted by: Mike on 3/30/2004 at 6:00:06 AM
How many spokes does a 1972 Hercules carry? 36/36? or 32/40?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules Spoke Numbers posted by a on 3/30/2004 at 10:34:04 AM
Count them

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Hercules Spoke Numbers posted by Ralph on 3/30/2004 at 4:18:40 PM
Mine has 32/40.

AGE / VALUE:   Rollfast 3 speed/British wheels? posted by: Joe on 3/30/2004 at 5:21:18 AM
Does anyone here have any idea how to figure date of manufacture on a late 50's to 60's Rollfast? I picked up one today which has British made Dunlop rims, Sturmey Archer hubs and 32/40 spoke patterns. The headube is semi-lugged, while the rest is not. It has a twist grip S/A shifter, one piece cranks, and the model is an Ultralight.
The hub is dated 1966. I have seen Rollfast 3's made in England, but they are just rebadged British bikes. This is an American style frame with all british components. It was found in an old storage building abandoned for many years, but several bikes found along with it also have many mismatched parts. I have another similar Rollfast which uses American 36 hole rims, Bendix coaster brake, and a Crown front hub. The frame on the the coaster model is does not have the semi lugged headtube, but all else looks the same. Did Rollfast out source for British components back then? Even on their own frames?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rollfast 3 speed/British wheels? posted by sam on 3/31/2004 at 12:18:43 AM
I'm told Rollfast (D.P.Harris) contracted all their bikes.So very well maybe English or Canadian. I just won a bid on an English bike pump--the box it came in says Rollfast Building --made in England Exclusive USA importer D.P.Harris hardware.---sam

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Rollfast 3 speed/British wheels? posted by Joe on 3/31/2004 at 4:29:58 AM
D.P. Harris was originally a hardware store I believe in NY. The frame on this bike is definitely US made, with it's one piece cranks, stacked plate for crown, and plain stamped steel dropouts. The components are all English, as if someone simply took them from an old Robin Hood or Norman. It's shares the same chainguard and frame as another "Ultralight" I have here as well, but that one uses a Bendix 2 speed hub with again, a Crown front hub. Crown was DP Harris's parts line. I had a Rollfast sometime ago that was nearly identical to my '66 Robin Hood, and it said "Made in England" on the top tube. This one says USA, but uses the same wheels and other components.

AGE / VALUE:   doing some spring cleaning posted by: sam on 3/30/2004 at 1:44:21 AM
got some small bits 4 sale: (1) haron head lamp bracket-included also 2 "R" nuts for cotters&seatbinder bolt with "R" nut---$5+shipping
(2) used (good shape) reflectored Raleigh pedals from 74 sports--$3+shipping
(3) crankset used (good condition) from 74 sportd --$5+shipping
(4) used 1974 sports rims 36 hole --pair--$10+shipping
Just stuff to keep regular riders in good condition---sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   doing some spring cleaning posted by MIke on 3/30/2004 at 5:57:53 AM
What condition are the rims in, what kind Raleigh? I would be interested if they're still in good shape and straight.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   confused about a set up posted by: Beth on 3/29/2004 at 6:50:11 PM
Ok, I just came across what I think is a goofy set up. It's a Raleigh Superbe (looking fork) no chaingaurd though. The Hub is dated '68 and is marked an AC. I can't find record of this hub as a coster set up. Yet, This bike has rod brakes, and a coster set up. At least it looks like a coster to me. Any Ideas why? Or if it is funtional? My other question, is did the late '60's Superbe have just shallow curved mudgaurds w/ a deacal on the front tip? I wasn't sure from the decals if the hub is original to the bike. Thanks for any thoughts.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   confused about a set up posted by K on 3/29/2004 at 7:14:51 PM
maybe it's an AWC?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   confused about a set up posted by Ian on 3/30/2004 at 9:41:28 AM
If the hub really is an AC then it is very close ratio (AW = wide ratio, AM = medium ratio and AC = close ratio) but it would not usually have been fitted to a roadster, it was meant for a clubmans race bike. AC did not have a coaster brake, just a freewheel and I do not know if they were still being made in 68. Are you sure it is not just marked "8" as prior to 1939 the hubs were marked with the type and a single year number. 8 would make it a 1938 close ratio fitted in to the wrong bike and a valuable find. Regards, Ian.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   confused about a set up posted by beth on 3/30/2004 at 9:11:18 PM
I was able to look at it more closely. It's a TCW 8 '62, so false alarm. But it is odd that it's set up as rod brake w/ the coaster hub. The year on the dyno and rear hub match, i can't tell about the months. Still, an oddity.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Baycliff bag on ebay posted by: Geoffrey on 3/29/2004 at 12:45:57 PM
FYI, a NOS Baycliff Saddlebag on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3669445714&category=62131

Seller has some Sturmey lights & lenses too

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sports/Chrome fenders posted by: Joe on 3/29/2004 at 4:28:30 AM
I happended opon a Raleigh sports this weekend, it's missing it's chainguard and has chrome fenders and Dunlop wheels. My question is, did Raleigh ever use chrome fenders? How about the Dunlop rims? The hub is dated '68 and it takes the newer style chainguard with the brazed on brackets on the frame. Other than the odd fenders and wheels, it looks pretty good, the fork is scratched up a bit, but thats minor, it rides well as it is, but I do have a larger frame Triumph which would make a much nicer ride for me. If the pieces on the Sports have been swapped over from a non Raleigh bike, I may be actually making the Triumph somewhat correct?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sports/Chrome fenders posted by Ian on 3/30/2004 at 9:48:41 AM
Certainly in this country chrome mudguards (sorry fenders) were common on Raleighs. I have a 72 in the shed at present which came from the original owner and has irridescent green paint, chrome guards and S.A. twistgrip change three speed. Also Dynohub and lights but the chainguard uses the clamp on front bracket and I have never seen a brazed on bracket. Hope this helps, Ian.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sports/Chrome fenders posted by Edward in Vancouver on 3/31/2004 at 4:14:23 AM
Some of the 5 and ten spd Raleigh Sprites had chrome fenders, don't think the front ones were "peaked" with the traditional bullet...

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Sports/Chrome fenders posted by Joe on 4/3/2004 at 8:01:49 AM
There is two tabs to mount the chainguard to, one on the downtube and one on the seattube. There about an 16mm long and 12mm wide. I've seen these before on the later Sports models here, but I'm not sure when they began using this style?
The chrome fenders are the same shape and have the same bullet tip that the painted versions have. The clip which attaches to the front cross brace is even stamped Bluemel, like the painted fenders.

How about it having Dunlop (non-Raleigh pattern rims?
I am basically trying to figure out what year this was made, the chainguard tabs make me think it's probably newer than the 1968 AW hub it has?

Were the non-internal hub Sprites 26" or 27" wheeled?

MISC:   Interesting hub on eBay posted by: Jim on 3/29/2004 at 3:38:12 AM
I found this on eBay, interesting idea, an alloy AW with 4 speed cluster. 12 speeds in all! Looks decent, can anyone give mne an idea of whether this is a good combo? I'm looking to simplify an old Triumph 10 speed.


   RE:MISC:   Interesting hub on eBay posted by Ian on 3/30/2004 at 9:54:48 AM
Yes the idea works, I have never had a 4 speed cluster fitted but rode an AW with three speed Cyclo derailleur fitted for many years. Only problem was that of the 9 speeds it gave at least two combinations overlapped so there was only about 5 useable gears. I guess a 4 speed would be better. I did not think SA made an alloy AW only FW 4 speed. This one does not look alloy in the photo.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Interesting hub on eBay posted by Edward in Vancouver on 4/1/2004 at 3:32:10 AM
I've done several conversions with FG's and AW's, mounting two cogs on the standard S/A driver with Shimano Hyperglide cogs. The cogs have to be "modified" that is, three of the six tabs must be ground off with a Dremel or the like so the remaining three tabs fit securely on to the driver. Once this is done, just mount a regular derailleur to shift from the one cog to the next. This idea started a long time ago with, I think, Cyclo offering conversion kits for two and three cogs back in the early '40's. Sheldon Brown out-did himself by mounting 7 cogs on a three speed, and then running a triple chainring, giving him 63 gears.

MISC:   Blue Star '58 posted by: Ero on 3/29/2004 at 1:25:17 AM
Hi, this is a repeat from last fall. In an old, abandoned house in Vermont I found and "purchased" a 1957 Blue Star roadster with an SW hub; I've not been able to find any mention of this make ANYWHERE. Definately an English bike because of frame, components, decals. Can anyone shed some light on who/where these were made, how many, etc?
Thanks for a great enthusiasts' site!!!

AGE / VALUE:   Holy Mackerel! posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/28/2004 at 11:56:23 AM
OK, it's a cool sign and such, but I simply cannot get over what it's bid up to!



Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Holy Mackerel! posted by Jeff R on 3/28/2004 at 1:43:13 PM
The last time I saw one of these this nice on ebay it went for over $3,000 dollars. A couple of months ago I bid just under $400 on a beat up one with lots of chips and rust then got out bid and it still didn't make the reserve.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Holy Mackerel! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/28/2004 at 9:14:50 PM
Amazing. Simply amazing. Well, I guess if it's what one wants and is willing to pay for. In my case, to lay out that kind of dough, I would want more than just a picture of a bike eh?

Good luck in your future endeavors acquiring one!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: James on 3/28/2004 at 5:32:04 AM
Has anyone found a good touch up paint for relatively shiny 1960s Raleigh black?

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Front fork problem posted by: ilikebikes on 3/28/2004 at 3:50:50 AM
I just acquired a Raleigh Super Course (sn WA8 000094) It's not in the best shape, I really only bought it for parts. But when I got it home I realized it may be better than what I have. It has 700C wheels, gold in color, sidepull superbe brakes, shimano front and suntour rear derailers with shift leavers on front post. Anyway my problem is the front headset bearings are missing. The reason there missing is the fork shaft threads are basically stripped. The threads are still there enought that whem I pull on the big nut/bearing race I can't move it, but I'm not very strong. Is there any way I can fix this? I could replace the front forks but if I can somehow repair the threads I would like to give it a try. Thanks for any replies, sorry for my lack of knowledge about the proper names for the different parts.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Front fork problem posted by Joe on 3/28/2004 at 4:37:27 AM
It sounds like your going to need another fork, if the threads are that damaged, do you really want to risk a repair? The serial number says 1978, and that would mean it had a standard steel fork with a forged crown. What size is the frame or how long is the steer tube? Maybe someone here may have a good used original fork. If not, you can fit a good replacement fork pretty easily. The Raleigh gold should be fairly easy to match. I have a gold '78 SC in a 25" frame which needed a few little spots touched up, and I found that an early 80's Chrysler color was very close if not exact. I believe it was for an Dodge Aries?
That bike probably had Weinmann 650 reach centerpull brakes, Weinmann concave rims, Normandy hubs, and a Suntour Cyclone rear derailleur and Compe V front when new.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Front fork problem posted by ilikebikes on 3/28/2004 at 12:52:19 PM
Thanks Joe. The frame is 23 inches (centre of the pedals to the top of the seat post) and the steer tube is 8.25 inches. I went to the local bike shop (who treats me very well) looking for replacement bearings. This is where I noticed the thread problem. He sold be an old Peaugeot frame complete with forks and painted a very light blue. So i think I may use your painting idea and use this. I do like to repair things though and keep them original. However it looks like there isn't much original on this bike anyway.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Front fork problem posted by David on 3/29/2004 at 3:28:35 AM
There are several Raleigh 531 forks on ebay now. Improve your SC by adding a 531 fork!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Front fork problem posted by ilikebikes on 3/29/2004 at 1:14:32 PM

Thanks Dave. I have a problem though. They don't say whether they are for 27 inch or 700C wheels. I have 700C wheels. From what I have read only the later versions of this bike had the 700 wheels. Also I'm not to familiar with the Ebay "thing" but I can learn, it guess, if I have to.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   VVVintage Bikes posted by: Mike on 3/27/2004 at 7:11:11 PM
Has VVVintage ever 'made' English style 3 speeds? I know that they make low riders and high tides and whatnot, but have they ever made bikes assembled from parts they've collected?