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Archived: English Roadsters

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: jeff on 4/16/2004 at 2:01:33 AM
I have Dunelt single speed 26" bike coaster brake, front cable brake . I know nothing about it .What is it.How
do i find the year
thanx for any help

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Indian Scout posted by: Ron Peterson on 4/15/2004 at 2:38:53 AM
I bought the remains of one at an auction a few years ago. About all I got was the Frame, seat and handlebars, and I'm not too sure either of those are original. Seeing as there isn't much left to restore, I was thinking of making it into a "commuter bike". I am leaning toward using a Shimano Nexus or a Sturmey Archer 7 Speed Sprinter. Is this worth persuing? Which hub would fit the "theme" best? I rarely would rid in a " commuter " situation. Most of my riding is paved country roads. I just like planetary gear systems.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Indian Scout posted by sam on 4/15/2004 at 5:21:11 PM
I think both would work.The sturmey archer is inkeeping with it being english.The Indians were built be Phillips for the Indian motorcycle company---later Phillips bought Indian so they would have dealers to sell their brands of motorcycles. Getting just a frame sometimes opens doors that would other wise be closed.Like adding Alum. rims,7 speed hub,center pull brakes or drop bars- or in this case with a motorcycle connection a motor assist kit would be cool!--sam

AGE / VALUE:   Pashley Tandem Value? posted by: D Wall on 4/14/2004 at 11:16:02 PM
I have a Pashley tandem and I know it is at least 25+ years old however I have NO idea of its value? I have pictures if anyone can give me a value I would be very thankful! I would like an honest and true value so I can inform my insurance company...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Pashley Tandem Value? posted by David on 4/15/2004 at 12:30:54 PM
I would suggest watching Ebay auctions for similar bikes and see what they fetch. For "similar:" is it a lightweight w/531 frame? What sort of components does it have; high quality (TA, Campy, etc)? Or is it more of a roadster-type tandem; SA hub? Wide saddles?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Pashley Tandem Value? posted by Mike on 4/16/2004 at 1:40:46 PM
Pashley is a classic English brand largely unchanged since they started production in the 20s. They no longer make a tandem, which means it's a collector bike. I recently sold a 2001 model Roadster for $500. I'd put a value of at least $1000 on it if it's in decent, original condtion.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Pashley Tandem Value? posted by james on 4/17/2004 at 9:08:43 AM
Do you have any more Pashleys for sale?

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Pashley Tandem Value? posted by dave on 4/29/2004 at 12:06:39 AM
Thanks! I guess it will stay hung in the shed for a while!

AGE / VALUE:   Berec handle bar mounted light posted by: jon in desmoines,wa. on 4/14/2004 at 5:16:02 AM
I found a Berec handle bar mounted light at a rummage sale,
it is a light greenish colored plastic, it takes two "c"
size batteries, has a metal clamp to clamp to bars. it has Made in England on the plastic part and made in Britain stamped on the metal clamp area.Has a 3" lense and a big white on off switch on top, all I can find on Berec is old english radio stuff,berec stands for "British ever ready electrical company" (as in ever ready batteries)
Any body know anything about this kind of item? thanks for any help. jon in Desmoines,Wa.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Berec handle bar mounted light posted by P.C. Kohler on 4/14/2004 at 8:54:29 PM
The classic mid to late 1970s cycle lamp. Can also fit to the traditional lamp bracket on the headset.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Berec handle bar mounted light posted by Ed on 4/16/2004 at 3:17:35 PM
I bought on of these from Cycle Recyclers,I believe,some years ago.their discription was old Raleigh Head Lamp. No information on exactly when they were more widely used. I have mine mounted on the heron bracket of one of my 1969 Sports.Puts out lots of light and generates some interest from other British roadster fans that I meet along my ride.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   DL-1 for sale on ebay posted by: al on 4/13/2004 at 4:18:03 PM
Hello all:
Just a brief note letting you all know I am selling my Raleigh DL-1 on ebay. Hate to do it but I need the money:

Best wishes,

MISC:   61 roadster posted by: steven on 4/12/2004 at 10:42:32 PM
$430 and going, what do you think this will go for????

   RE:MISC:   61 roadster posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 4/12/2004 at 11:46:46 PM
I think we're all watching this one with interest. Could go for a rather handsome sum. And dependind on how handsome, I daresay it would be worth it.

Considering that a "Flying Pigeon" single speed from China sold for $460 a week or so ago, well... I would have to imagine it goes for considerably more.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:MISC:   61 roadster posted by GMS on 4/13/2004 at 10:52:07 PM
The reserve isn't even met on that thing at $430!

   RE:MISC:   61 roadster posted by MIke on 4/16/2004 at 2:23:35 PM
Is this from Bikeworks, the NYC bicycle shop? They had a page up featuring a 60s DL1 awhile back, I wonder if it's the same.

   RE:RE:MISC:   61 roadster posted by ron on 4/16/2004 at 9:10:36 PM
this is not the same bike, that also was one of mine.

FOR SALE:   Last Call for Grips posted by: P.C. Kohler on 4/12/2004 at 9:06:09 PM
A reminder that today is the last day to take advantage of this reduced price for two pairs of the replica roadster grips:


For members of Roll Britannia, Old Roads Discussion Group and Classic


TWO PAIRS of GRIPS: $37.75 (regular price is 19.95 per pair)

Shipping: $3.85 to US addresses, Priority Mail. Overseas and Canada upon application. Insurance: $1.30 extra


PayPal ONLY. www.paypal.com
US currency only.
Payments should be made to kohl57@starpower.net

Any queries to the same address.

AGE / VALUE:   Humber Roadster posted by: Jason on 4/12/2004 at 3:26:36 PM
Can anyone help with dating my Humber Roadster which I recently purchased?
The only number that I can locate on the frame is at the top of the seat-tube and is; 1995509 H. This number doesn’t match up with any of those in the Oldroads Raleigh Serial Number charts. The Sturmey Archer 3 Speed Dyno-hub is inscribed 48 – 12 with GB Patents Pending and a list of numbers. Therefore I assume that it’s a 1948 hub, but the rims on the bike are new, and I’m not sure if this is the original hub. I would love to get an exact date from the frame number.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Humber Roadster posted by Chris on 4/12/2004 at 6:49:39 PM
The whole bike is probably from 1948 then.
What size wheels does it have and what color is the bike?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Humber Roadster posted by Jason on 4/12/2004 at 8:33:07 PM
Hi Chris
The Bike is all Black with 26 X 1 3/8 wheels. Slight mistake in my original post; Frame number is 195509 H.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A little off-topic posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 4/12/2004 at 9:16:16 AM
Ok, so this thing started life as a Roadster. Thankfully, it was an American roadster with a shimano hub. As much as I like it (actually, I bought the silly thing), I'm quite relieved to say that no British bikes were harmed in the making of this "chopper".

My only hope is that I can turn it around within the confines of a standard width roadway. :-0



Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A little off-topic posted by GMS on 4/12/2004 at 12:18:44 PM
I have seen that guys choppers on Ebay before...and they are all #001?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A little off-topic posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 4/12/2004 at 11:44:05 PM
Hmmm.... Well, I don't know. According to the information on Ebay, he's only got feedback on three transactions.

Unless of course, he's been on there under different names altogether.

Either way, I thought the bike somewhat unique. Now all I gotta do is find a German WWI style helmet with a spike on the top. (^_^)


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A little off-topic posted by David on 4/13/2004 at 2:33:31 AM
DO post a picture of yourself riding it!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A little off-topic posted by sam on 4/13/2004 at 3:09:21 AM
O.K. Larry,now I expect to see you at Abita!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   A little off-topic posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 4/13/2004 at 9:28:29 AM
Hmmm... dunno if I can make Abita but it sure looks like fun. I was supposed to go to Lake Lure with VROC but that kinda fell through.

As to posting a pic, now that I think I can manage!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

AGE / VALUE:   British Bikes and Parts for sale posted by: Geoff Rogers on 4/12/2004 at 2:19:50 AM
I have a burgeoning collection of English cycles and would like to sell some to make room.
1970's Dawes 10-speed, entry-level steel bike, great headbadge and name but cheap bike, fair shape, $50
1970's Raleigh Grand Prix, complete except pedals, $50
1940 Stoddard Special Sports club machine, rare Phillips-built low end club cycle, inverted black enamel bars, spearpoint front fender (steel), Wrights racing saddle, top tube shifter, AW 3-speed, fair to good, $250
1955 Rudge Sports, nice, alloy AW hub and seatpost, working Dynohub and lights, bell, pump, bag, NOS cables and brake shoes, some scratches but shiny and beautiful, $325
1958 RAY women's 3-speed, SW hub, rare, paint fair, nice chrome, lovely headbadge, $125
1975 Raleigh DL-1 24" frame, 28" wheels, rod brakes, very nice, original tires, pedals, grips like new, chrome excellent, paint very shiny deep black, some little rust damage, $450
1970 Raleigh Sports lady's model, bronze green, very nice, original pump and bag and one original white stripe tire, $200
NOS rear fenders for 28" Raleigh, red or blue, prewar style, $15 each
Perfect NOS 28" Westwood 40-hole rim, $45
Numerous rough, incomplete 3-speed bikes and frames, $25 each.
Lots more parts from many years of collecting English 3-speeds, email me.
Bikes and parts are in western Massachusetts. Prices do not include shipping.
Geoff Rogers, jollyrogersmo@hotmail.com

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   British Bikes and Parts for sale posted by Shaq~ oneil on 1/3/2005 at 4:59:54 PM
what dogggg! that stoddard maching sounds illa swweet... tell me more!'!!!


AGE / VALUE:   Pedal widths posted by: David Poston on 4/10/2004 at 9:44:30 PM
A post below regarding gents vs. ladies pedals reminded of a question I've had for a while. Does anyone else, besides me, have trouble fitting their shoes into the standard 4" gents rubber pedals? I mean, did they simply wear narrower shoes back then, or what? Wearing my street shoes, I can't quite pedal on the balls of my feet; instead, I have to pedal more towards the instep. This problem is aggravated by using ladies size pedals (way more common than the 4" gents size) or those icky 70's unisex pedals (non-rebuildable) which are about 3 5/8" wide. Perhaps I need real cycling shoes, I guess.

I just measured my shoe, and it is 4.25" across at the widest point. (I only wear a size 9).


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Pedal widths posted by James on 4/10/2004 at 11:21:27 PM
I'm size 10 and have wide feet, I've never found a pedal wide enough, I'm sure they are out there but they probably look awful.

MISC:   raleigh 28 inch roadster WOW posted by: jimmy on 4/10/2004 at 4:35:49 PM
Just posted, I must have it, what do you think guys???????

   RE:MISC:   raleigh 28 inch roadster WOW posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 4/10/2004 at 5:48:58 PM
Well Jimmy, if you MUST have it... be prepared, that bicycle is going to cost you dearly. Note the absence of a reserve price and an absurdly low "entry bid". The sellor has confidence that he will get what the market will bear. Seeing as a "Flying Pigeon" single speed sold for $460 last week on Ebay.... well, it's going to be an interesting auction to watch to say the least.

I would love to have it as well!!!! GOOD LUCK if yer gonna go for it!

Reading the feller's text... one has to ponder what else he has in the stable if he's willing to part with that one.

And also... is he a denizen of this forum.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:MISC: raleigh 28 inch roadster WOW posted by Warren on 4/10/2004 at 11:54:47 PM
Larry..there is a reserve...but he likely doesn't need it. A nice complete bike in the very coveted 22" size frame. I've never seen one of these for sale in my town or I would have bought it. It's the only reason I don't have a DL1 in my stable. I've got several other roadsters with 28" wheels but not the definitive model.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC: raleigh 28 inch roadster WOW posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 4/11/2004 at 1:27:05 AM
Hmmm... I must have just not seen the "reserve not met" when I visited initially. 'Tis a pretty machine, well equipped and in great shape. Well, the DL-1 I have in the basement is not the 22" model as I believe it's the larger frame. Certainly larger than the one on auction. There IS a full chaincase on Ebay now... a little rough and methinks the pie-plate is missing... but I just might bid on it anyhow.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: raleigh 28 inch roadster WOW posted by Chris on 4/11/2004 at 2:43:39 PM
If it is going to be worth having you have to break your neck to get ahold of it. It has to cost a lot, you need to come within an inch of a nervous breakdown to acquire it. It has to fullfill your longing dreams.It has to be eleusive and tease you. You'll have to trade dear parts for it, haggle and cajole until you are nearly mad.
Each part has to be a "hens teeth item"

Ive been in this for years, an obsession to see and ride and experience all things Raleigh and British bicycle in general. The older it is, the further back, the more interesting and cool it becomes. I finally got hooked up with this amazing and sly old cat in England who told me he could get anything I wanted because of where he sat in all this and he told me that the Sunbeam rod brake bikes were the ones to chase. The Humbers in blue.
Notice how they never show up on e- bay? It's the stuff in the picture books, the stuff that never comes up for auction commonly. That's what you want. The bike that you discover, hidden away. The one that's not for sale, no not for sale. You have to persuade and get it away from them, the magical thing that was set aside, the bike you should not be seeing. The one inside, not the old weathered one in the garage. Chase it! Speak up! Ask! You never know! There are many fish in the sea, don't end up eating the first icky old thing you catch! Go fishing in the hard to sail waters with your bike- finding sonar equipment! You want to be invited in, and the door shut behind you, and have that person quietly and sweetly smile at you. Not to be shut out.
Be patient, be persistent. Say "I'm sorry, but I cannot marry you as you are not the right one for me."
Don't be astride your Raleigh and look up and see some fleeting little tease wheel by and not go after it.
Yup, you will get turned down, run off, dissapointed, your heart broke, they'll run after you with sticks. I want the princess, not the laundry lady! Same with bikes! The magical princess might just be boored and unhappy with a bum steer of a husband who's ignoring her. Itching to get out and laugh with you! That awesome bike might just be for sale. You have to try! I'd rather slip and end up failing in my quest these days than chase and catch the more common stuff. It was the common stuff that I saw in the shops and ended up owning but only to see it gather dust. The thing is, the common stuff should lead one into it further, trade up, learn the ropes, whom to contact, He asked me: "What do you want?" Did I even know what it was that I wanted? Now that you have it and have tasted it, does it still call to you? I want something that I will continue to crave, to still want to ride, a bike that calls out: Come, put down what you were doing and lets just..... go.
These were wonderous times, companies that made magical things. Look at everything there is, don't be afraid to dig, search. Then bite it hard and invest in quality. Something that you'll have no problem selling for a profit. Only buy things that are worth more than what you gave for it.
Confinence and raw nerve and effort and persistence. Fast feet and a back up plan if you mess up.
Everything I have learned and have experienced , it has to be the fuel to propel me into higher, sweeter, more thrilling things. Not ready to quit just yet.
I want it to be so awesome that I die in it's arms. What ever it is.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC: raleigh 28 inch roadster WOW posted by Chris on 4/11/2004 at 3:01:36 PM
This bike is very nice and in hard to find condition. Yes I nod and say "Go for it!"
Myself? I wonder if this is a locking fork Superbe model? Let this one beauitiful Raleigh be the one that starts your collecting and fun with these. Now go up the ladder from here. The next bike you buy has to be better, rare-er still. Keep an eye on what this seller has to offer in the future. I suspect he's got some old vintage Brit bike mojo!

MISC:   raleigh 28 inch roadster WOW posted by: jimmy on 4/10/2004 at 4:35:49 PM
Just posted, I must have it, what do you think guys???????

FOR SALE:   eBay: 23 inch Raleigh Sports with dual drum brakes posted by: Sheldon Brown on 4/10/2004 at 3:23:18 AM
I need room! Selling my very unusual 23 inch Raleigh Sports with dual drum brakes.

See: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3671389887

Sheldon "Thinning The Herd" Brown
Newtonville, Massachusetts
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   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   eBay: 23 inch Raleigh Sports with dual drum brakes posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 4/10/2004 at 5:50:39 PM
Yeah... aint them skins to die for!

Go get 'em Sheldon "Preposterous" Brown!

Preposterous.... is that "fitting"?



Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:FOR SALE:   eBay: 23 inch Raleigh Sports with dual drum brakes posted by David on 4/10/2004 at 12:24:03 PM
Dig those [correct!] skinny whitewall tyres!

MISC:   Cable question posted by: Noel on 4/9/2004 at 11:07:15 PM
I have a Dutch Roadster (Union Climax) and the shift cable has housing covering it from the shifter down to the hub. This seems to be different than the more common cable-stop/pulley combo on many Raleighs, etc....Does anyone know where I can get a cable fully housed, or is there a good way to put housing around a more common half-housed-cable? Thanks for any help!

   RE:MISC:   Cable question posted by James on 4/10/2004 at 11:23:57 PM
What type of hub does it have? a Sachs/SRAM? Unfortunately I've never seen any spares for Sachs hubs, such as cables, for sale here. I am about to make my first cable assembly using a new cable, I'm curious to see how the crimping goes.

   RE:MISC:   Cable question posted by James on 4/10/2004 at 11:25:28 PM
Where did you get your Union? I have a dutch roadster waiting at the UPS warehouse, I'm so excited.

   RE:MISC:   Cable question posted by James on 4/10/2004 at 5:31:30 AM
I have a related question, is the thinner cable housing used from the cable stop to the indicator chain available? is there a substitute? I'm reassembling a friend's J.C. Higgins and decided to use a new 3 speed cable for the first time. How is your Union set up? I guess I could try using the "dutch method."

Noel, fuly housed cables are available at any bike shop.

   RE:MISC:   Cable question posted by Noel on 4/10/2004 at 12:50:35 PM
Fully housed cables are available however, I should mention that my shift cable is crimped on both ends and therefore I need a cable which is fully housed and crimped at both ends form the factory. I have tried doing my own crimping but it always fails....

   RE:RE:MISC:   Cable question posted by sam on 4/10/2004 at 1:50:31 PM
They also make those slide on cable ends,would those work?---sam