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Archived: English Roadsters

MISC:   Fenders posted by: David on 5/1/2004 at 12:31:48 PM
Here's an extensive list of fender manufacturers I found; including Indian ones!


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Help identify my bike! posted by: Gina on 4/29/2004 at 10:23:09 PM
I finally found a bike that fits my very short body - it is an women's (or possibly girl's) 3-Speed AMC Blaze, made in England. The Strumey-Archer gear shift has a date of 1960. Can anyone tell me more about this bike? It is in great mechanical and cosmetic shape for the age.

AGE / VALUE:    posted by: James on 4/29/2004 at 7:23:20 PM
I spent a considerable amount of time dreaming up bicycle projects, one of which is a fake club bike, I wouldn't mind having more than 3 gears but there are, as far as I know no decent looking shifters for 5+ speed gear hubs. What attractive fenders are out there? Besides Honji and Giles Betround? The other day I saw a pair of white SKS plastic fenders on a bike that looked just like blumels, even had a rear reflector, I take it these are out of production?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by sam on 4/30/2004 at 12:05:10 AM
A very nice shifter for a fake club bike would be the early70s schwinn stem shifter ,mounted on the downtube.The schwinn shifter is a copy of the old cyclo shifter.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Frank in Pullman on 4/30/2004 at 4:24:14 AM
I've also been looking at the SKS mudguards. The other day I noticed on their web site that they refer to one of their lines of mudguards as Bluemels. Here's the link:


Maybe SKS bought Bluemels?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by James on 4/30/2004 at 11:18:43 PM
Those aren't the old sks fenders I've seen around town, they look just like the standard sks fenders with their ugly attatchments. I guess I'm stuck with looking for old fenders, I don't think any decent looking fenders are available, at least in the US.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: posted by Warren on 5/1/2004 at 12:55:28 PM
ESGE make a very nice fender similar to the Bluemel Lightweights. Unfortunately I've only seen them in silver and gold.
I just looked them up...they are now sold by sks and come in a dark grey (look black) and silver.
Go to...

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by James on 5/1/2004 at 11:38:40 PM
I asked the guy who makes Vanilla Bicycles in Portland, he uses SKS fenders and paints them to match the bike, so there is hope after all.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:    posted by Ken on 5/3/2004 at 6:15:37 PM
What about some ca. 1970 Peugeot fenders? Chrome, with the black stripe down the center- they already looked old-fashioned when they were new, because Peugeot was they way some of us remember Volkswagen in those days: nothing changed that didn't need to. In fact I've seen plastic ones that looked just the same. A whole Peugeot mixte, step-through or touring at a resale shouldn't cost more than new plastic fenders.

WANTED:   Raleigh DL-1 front fork posted by: David Poston on 4/28/2004 at 5:22:56 PM
I am looking for a spare Raleigh DL-1 front fork for my 22" frame Raleigh DL-1. I have a spare front fork for a 28" Raleigh, but it is the older version without the braze-on mudguard eyelets, alas.

Another alternative is using the fork I already have and finding replacement mudguards with the stays that loop over the front axle. If anyone has c. 1950s-60s Raleigh DL-L mudguards for sale, please advise.

E-mail me privately if you have Raleigh DL-1 parts for sale or trade.



   RE:WANTED:   Raleigh DL-1 front fork posted by Mike on 5/1/2004 at 6:01:53 PM
If worse comes to worse go to www.yellowjersey.org and go to the Eastman parts page. They have all kinds of roadster parts. They're not authentic of course but if you need a bike for riding the Eastman parts will get you back on the road and even though they're not authentic they still look pretty good.

   RE:WANTED:   Raleigh DL-1 front fork posted by leigh on 5/1/2004 at 9:12:26 PM
Hi David
there is a set of DL1 forks on ebay uk at the moment £30.00 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=420&item=2242089911&rd=1y
hope this is of some help to you


MISC:   Good hub for custom 'Club' type bike? posted by: Roy on 4/28/2004 at 6:13:45 AM
I spotted this hub and shifter kit on ebay this evening- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=42314&item=3674874022&sspagename=STRK%3AMESSE%3AIT
I was considering building sort of a club type racer/tourer using an old Dawes frameset I have. I am wondering if this hub will fit into an older frame which originally had an old 5 speed rear freewheel hub? I found the bare Dawes frame and fork at a yard sale for $5 and it's missing it's wheels and drivetrain, so I really wouldn't be ruining a classic and it's not a 531 frame or anything special. Maybe even a set of old Bluemel fenders?

What I had in mind was to use an internal geared rear hub, a set of extra wide Araya steel rims I already have, and a set of 27 x 1 3/8" tires with a set of touring type bars to build sort of a trail able road bike.

I figured it would be a way put to use some parts that have just been hanging around in the basement for years to make a good everyday all purpose bike.

   RE:MISC:   Good hub for custom 'Club' type bike? posted by David on 4/28/2004 at 10:53:36 AM
See http://www.shimano-europe.com/cycling/ Look at the "Comfort Biking" section; there's a (two?) new 8-speed hub, brakes, generators, etc. I didn't check to see if Shimano distributes much of this in US; they seem more interested in selling high-end sports equipment here.

   RE:MISC: Good hub for custom 'Club' type bike? posted by Warren on 4/28/2004 at 7:57:34 PM
Your Dawes is likely a 120mm spread and the Shimano hub should be 135. You may be able to spcace it down to 130. It's still a bit of a push so you would have to carefully coldset the frame a little wider. It can be done but it's a lot of hub to put on a 5 dollar frame. I'm not being critical but it really wouldn't be in the "club" bike style even if it is an internal hub. The integrated lever/shiters wouldn't really work on drop bars...maybe moustache bars but they too, are expensive.

I'm biased toward fixed gears and SA 3 or 4 speeds for club bikes...add the Bluemels and Bob's your (british) Uncle!

   RE:RE:MISC: Good hub for custom 'Club' type bike? posted by James on 5/1/2004 at 4:19:09 AM
The problem with these new fandangled hubs are the shifters, these ugly fat twist grip things, as far as I know only the SA 5 speed has a thumb shifter but it is pretty crappy looking. The current SA 3 speed shifter has some nasty plastic on it, but that can be removed - Raleigh.dk does this on their top of the line roadsters to give it a more vintage look. I've been planning my own clubbike "The Epicyclic Biffin" for sometime now, basically a copy of a Rudge club bike, the first thing to go was 5-7 speed hub idea on aesthetic grounds. I wouldn't want any tacky black plastic on my nitto moustache bars.

SA now has an 8 speed hub if you are not an art snob.

WANTED:   Cotter Pins posted by: Lawrence P H Bradley (Tacoma) on 4/27/2004 at 10:52:09 PM
Despite care and caution I have managed to destroy a cotter pin and the nut with the "Red R" on it. Can anyone help with a replacement?
I have read lots of suggestions for removing cotter pins. Does anyone have any new or unusual methods that might work?!

   RE:WANTED:   Cotter Pins posted by Ken Keberle on 4/28/2004 at 7:16:31 PM
Do you have access to an old Park cotter pin press? I just checked the current Park catalog and they no longer offer that tool. If your patient (and or handy) you could modify a C clamp to accomplish the same thing.

And use LOTS of liquid wrench.

   RE:RE:WANTED: Cotter Pins posted by jack on 5/7/2004 at 3:25:40 AM
I was looking into the C-clamp method until I found the proper press on ebay. Comparing my heavy-duty USA forged C-clamps with the cotter pin press one immediately notices the finer thread pitch of the press which will afford more leverage.

   RE:WANTED:   Cotter Pins posted by Geo on 5/9/2004 at 4:02:59 PM
I use a spark plug socket and a vise. Pretty dangerous I think but I can't seem to find a press anywhere. I've seen replacement aftermarket cotter pins at Benny's automotive unfortunately I believe this maybe be a small local Northeast chain store. Good Luck. Geo

AGE / VALUE:   Paint off repainted mudguards posted by: Ward Davis on 4/27/2004 at 1:40:39 PM
I have purchased a rudge that the previous owner painted over the mudguards and chain guard. The rest of the bike is rudge marron, in decent shape.Is it possible to take off the paint on the mudguards and chain guard to reveal the maroon underneath,or should I seek replace maroon items, or spray paint them maronn? Thanks in advance for any advice!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Paint off repainted mudguards posted by paul on 4/27/2004 at 8:45:36 PM
I am fortunate in owning a 1965 Rudge Sports in that fabulous maroon paint. Somewhere I read that if you use that orange smelling mildly abrasive hand cleaner(I can't remember the trade name) with a soft cloth and lots of patience and work slowly and carefully you may be able to reach down to the original paint. if the original is a bit scarred and faded, maroon shoe cream/ paste wax works to bring back the shine. My advice, avoid re spraying! paul

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Paint off repainted mudguards posted by Joe on 4/28/2004 at 6:12:36 AM
I have had good luck with a sovent called "Goof Off" Professional Strength, which is available at Wal-Mart. I've tried Fast Orange handcleaner, but it doesn't work near as fast as the solvent and won't take off automotive type touch up paints (laquer based). The Goof Off solvent comes in a tall yellow container and the last one I found was at Wal-Mart in the paint section near the paint strippers and thinners.
Be careful if using this solvent, while it takes some rubbing and doesn't seem to attack factory paint, it will eventually soften the original paint. Work in small areas and be sure to try a bit on a less obvious part of the factory finish first. I had a 50's Schwinn which someone had painted over in some cheap spray enamel and it worked well on that, but as I got near the end of the bad paint, I could see some of the original color on the rag I was using much like when you are polishing old paint. I followed it up with some good polish and wax and the original paint was nearly perfect.
I have also used EasyOff oven cleaner to remove painted lettering on trucks, it lifts the lettering quickly but never seams to hurt the paint, I got this trick from an old sign painter. I'm not sure how it would affect decals though.

WANTED:   Older "GOOD" bike shops in St. Louis area??? posted by: Robert on 4/25/2004 at 6:46:42 PM
Are there any older / good bike shops that would be good to visit in the St. LOuis , Missouri or Try Ill. area?
Ones that have been arounnd a while and that have older stuff??



ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Info on GAZELLE Requested posted by: Bob Magor on 4/25/2004 at 3:02:32 PM
I just pulled an intact woman's black GAZELLE out of the scrap metal pile (one-speed with coaster brakes). This is the first GAZELLE I've rescued. Can anyone tell me about this make? Does anyone want it? Please email me if interested.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Info on GAZELLE Requested posted by Geoff Rogers on 4/28/2004 at 7:13:27 PM
I know of three different machines that used the Gazelle name. Raleigh built low-cost sports bikes called Gazelles in the sixties (maybe before as well?). I have a '69 or so black women's frame with that badge. Gazelles were also built in the Netherlands, probably under license from Raleigh, and they were very similar to their English counterparts, again bread-and-butter three speeds. The third type I know about is the Stoddard Gazelle Sports, a low-cost clubman type machine. I own a 1940 Stoddard Gazelle, which features a spearpoint front fender, top tube shifter, inverted black enamelled handlebars, and a Super Clubman front hub (whatever that is!).
I hope this is useful. If yours is an old Stoddard, I might be interested.
Geoff Rogers

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Info on GAZELLE Requested posted by Bob Magor on 4/29/2004 at 3:58:30 PM
Thanks Geoff, for the info,
From your description of the Stoddard, I don't believe this is one. I am hopeful of giving this bike a new lease on life if it is worthy of one. Would pictures showing specific features emailed to you be of any help?

FOR SALE:   1958 ENGLISH 3-SPEED HERCULES posted by: CHRIS HEWARD on 4/24/2004 at 8:24:47 PM

   RE:FOR SALE:   1958 ENGLISH 3-SPEED HERCULES posted by ron on 4/24/2004 at 11:46:22 PM
email me the details about the bike, tire size, conventional or rod style brake, half or fully enclose chain guard.

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   1958 ENGLISH 3-SPEED HERCULES posted by roger on 4/27/2004 at 12:58:17 PM
I am seriously interested in purchasing it to replace my stloen Hercules Courier which I had from new in '57 until 2003!
Please advise price.

   RE:FOR SALE:   1958 ENGLISH 3-SPEED HERCULES posted by David on 5/20/2004 at 6:56:53 AM
Can you tell me the value of this bike you have..and your asking price..if its sold..what do these old hercules 3 speed bikes sell for..i have one myself..and im looking for parts..or to sell it..not sure on the value..thanks!!

AGE / VALUE:   Old ladies rod brake e-bay cycle posted by: David Poston on 4/24/2004 at 5:49:39 AM

A nice ladies rod brake machine. Anyone have any idea how old and which model this would be?

Alas, it's across the pond.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Old ladies rod brake e-bay cycle posted by David Poston on 4/24/2004 at 4:44:33 PM
By the way, I've noticed that there are a whole slew of "sit and beg," pre-war roadsters being advertised on ebay UK at the moment. Just browse through the section on bicycle collectibles. Trade cycles, heavy duty front carrier cycles, gents and ladies 28" wheel cycles, nice 26" wheel Superbes with rod brakes, etc. Most, if not all, of these are going for less than $50-100. Pity the shipping is such a killer, and often the sellers only want to have the bike collected. Maybe it's just a coincidence, but there seems to be a ton of cycles from Exeter, Devon. Any idea why?


AGE / VALUE:   Spring Cleaning Sale posted by: Chris on 4/23/2004 at 5:38:19 PM
Raleigh Sports bicycle parts.
Wheels, incomplete frames, general parts

What are you looking for?
Detroit Michigan area, pick up or will ship.
Call 1-248-642-2753 anytime, leave a message if I'm not in.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Spring Cleaning Sale posted by Steve Ringlee on 4/24/2004 at 7:36:46 PM
Needs: spring clips for brake cables on top and down tubes
Used SA shifter in decent shape

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Spring Cleaning Sale posted by Beth on 4/25/2004 at 7:14:52 PM
I am looking for a rear mudgard reflector, 2.5 white. I am willing to take just the plastic lens.
Also, and inicator chain, with (spindle?) and locknut for an AW Hub.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Spring Cleaning Sale posted by Beth on 4/25/2004 at 7:15:44 PM
I am looking for a rear mudgard reflector, 2.5 white. I am willing to take just the plastic lens.
Also, and inicator chain, with (spindle?) and locknut for an AW Hub.
Email is on the post name or reply here

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Spring Cleaning Sale posted by Chris on 4/23/2004 at 5:43:03 PM
No rod brake items for sale, not right now.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Spring Cleaning Sale posted by James on 4/24/2004 at 1:46:55 AM
do you have any NOS front hubs, good used hubs or cones? or a front wheel with a good hub? Also looking for a large step through frame, for a project, 23" if those exist?


FOR SALE:   Raleigh roadster DL1 1973 rod brake english bicycle posted by: Tertuliano Delgado on 4/23/2004 at 2:58:23 PM
I have this bicycle for sale on Ebay with a low starting price and no reserve. What do you think? I had offered it here before but everyone who showed interest never followed up. The link to it is below: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Copake 2004 posted by: paul on 4/23/2004 at 2:49:30 AM
I attended the Friday Flea at Copake this year and also 2002, missed 2003. I noticed a severe lack of British bicycles this time around! I was fortunate to buy a Cycle Benelux "der" to bring my 1958 Lenton Gran Prix Reg Harris model back to original spec's. The machine is all original except the "der" is a 70's Shimano Titlist (which I'm certain shifts far more smoothly than the single cable Cyclo with the coiled "clock" spring!) I enjoyed the flea in spite of the lack of British Steel Steeds........ Paul

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Copake 2004 posted by Geoff Rogers on 4/25/2004 at 2:43:32 AM
Paul, I was at Copake, too. I guess there were fewer British machines than other years, but I still managed to pick up a '63 Lenton, a '56 Indian Scout, and some small stuff including a NOS prewar Westwood rim. Maybe it didn't seem like such a desert of English stuff because I bought everything I saw........
A friend of mine bought a lovely '56 or so lady's Humber (yes it has the special fork) for a very reasonable price. Sorry I missed that one.
The August swap meet at Larz Anderson Park in Brookline, Mass. is a good source for British stuff. I haven't been lately, but a couple of years ago there were tons of the stuff, plus some real beauties on display.
Happy hunting, or if you want to skip the flea market scene and see lots of British iron for sale, come visit me and I will sell or give you some.
Geoff Rogers
One year

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Copake 2004 posted by paul on 4/26/2004 at 2:14:20 AM
Geoff: You and I have spoken in the past, I'm from southeastern MA and you're from W MA....I believe we won't be seeing any more bicycle fleas at Larz Anderson, we now go to Bloomfield CT in August, the one coming up is the second one the 29th of Aug? check Old Roads for details. My 58 Lenton is 531 tubing is your '63 same tubing? Were you on RollBritania discussing this Lenton?, it may be the last one built! Paul

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Copake 2004 posted by Brian on 4/27/2004 at 3:46:39 PM
Geoff & Paul - that was my Humber woman's frame I sold at Copake. I too miss the great swaps at Larz - it was one of the few places where I really felt the travel getting there was worthwhile (& I've been east to west over the years). One day I'll make it down south to NC & that high-fault'n group of collecters, framebuilders & generally middle-aged men with to much $ on their hands. My best to one & all who love wrenching & riding - "Woodstock" Brian

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Copake 2004 posted by Brian on 4/27/2004 at 3:54:38 PM
..make that high "falutin" !

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Copake 2004 posted by Brian on 4/27/2004 at 4:03:45 PM
To be fair, most bicycle enthusiast's are seldom millionaires, and don't act pompous - but most of us are a wee bit crazy!

WANTED:   Roller Lever Handlebars for DL1/Tourist posted by: Mike on 4/21/2004 at 2:15:21 PM
After working with the jammed mechanism and trying everything presented here and everything I have thought of I've come to the conclusion that a factory error caused the problem with the rod brakes. Due to the jam, the handlebars were also damaged over time, I think they may have accidentally fused the machanism together, because heat and any amount of force I applied failed. I think the best route is to replace the damaged handlebars and to replace the tube rod and brake fork (I am in the process of mailing an order to VVVintage for that). Does anyone have extra handlebars for DL1 for sale? I've seen some on ebay but I was wondering what the going price for ones in new or good condition is.

   RE:WANTED:   Roller Lever Handlebars for DL1/Tourist posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 4/22/2004 at 1:08:54 AM
Well, you can get an Eastman handlebar through Yellow Jersey if you can't find one anywhere else.


Good luck!

Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:WANTED:   Roller Lever Handlebars for DL1/Tourist posted by M.R. on 4/27/2004 at 3:52:35 PM
I have a pair in reasonable condition that I would like to pass along. Write me.