MISC:   Whisky flask for bicycle posted by: James on 1/26/2005 at 1:32:57 AM
These little beauties are made right here in Portland, I think i'm going to buy one, anyone who has ever tried to ride a dutch roadster in the snow obviously needs a flask of whisky mounted to the frame.
On the subject of things mounted to a bicycle, I'd like to mount an old pocket watch (self winding) onto a handlebar, but can't quite figure out what to use, any ideas?


   RE:MISC: Whisky flask for bicycle posted by sam on 1/27/2005 at 2:47:48 AM
How about a tennis racket holder?
And terry made watch holders too.I'll try and find a link to one--very simple things --could be made from SS is you are crafty.---sam

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Any roadster/sports enthusiasts here? posted by: Jeffrey on 1/25/2005 at 10:08:27 PM
It seems the roadster & sports collectors were concentrated in the northeast (no slight to the great lakes & mid-USA..I'm just not familiar with those areas of the country)! Having recently moved to AZ, I'm finding no interest in our hobby.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Any roadster/sports enthusiasts here? posted by Bryan on 1/26/2005 at 2:15:40 AM
I've always perceived that there are more old 3 speeds in New England than in the rest of the country. I've assumed that this is because there are high concentrations of people from the UK in the Northeast.

Also, as a historical matter of population, there have simply been more people in the Northeast than in many other areas of this country, at least back during the 1950-1960's heyday era of English bikes.

And third, the high concentration of Liberal Arts colleges in the Northeast tend to preserve the bikes. It seems that both students and faculty agree on the value of a good English 3 speed. Walk through any Ivy League school town and you'll see dozens of English 3 speeds being used on a daily basis.

Over the years my brother and I have found several great bikes discarded in the trash in May when all the students clear out for the summer. We refer to the late May trash night as "the most holy night of the year" due to the riches we always find on this glorious night.

Even though I live in New England, I get most of my information on the internet, usually here on this site. Good luck finding fellow enthusiasts out there in Arizona. Thats the beauty of the internet.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Any roadster/sports enthusiasts here? posted by P.C. Kohler on 1/26/2005 at 4:26:35 PM
Well of course... New England has always been cycle friendly. It's loaded with colleges and universities. And the tweedy sorts drawn to English roadsters. Indeed, this is precisely where Raleigh got their start in the USA.. Cambridge, MA's The Bicycle Exchange. They were the first big USA dealer for Raleigh c. 1938. The headquarters of Raleigh in the USA was in Boston as well. Raleighs, Rudges and even Humbers... loaded with 'em.

Remember, too, that English roadsters were "foreign" and funny in a country that was simply not cycle friendly. There were definate sorts of people who were attracted to them because they were unusual and foreign. The same types who bought MGs and Standard Vanguards. I suspect there were whole swaths of the country where you could count the number of "English racers" on the fingers of one hand prior to the mid 1950s, even later. And parts of the country, where there were nothing but.

When I was growing up, EVERY boy had an English 3-speed with the wonderful pecking order of coolness that only 9 year old boys can devise and maintain. Raleighs were best, Dunelts and Robin Hoods ok but those AMF badged Hercs were icky. We wouldn't be caught dead riding with a boy on a Schwinn. My first real bike was an AMF Herc and it was one of the high points of my young life when that was replaced by a near mint used '62 Sports (Carmine Red!) in 1966. It didn't get any better than that.

P.C. Kohler

AGE / VALUE:   4 sale posted by: sam on 1/24/2005 at 10:23:57 PM
Men's sprite 10speed in green.Paint looks really good only dusty,good decals.Needs tyres.Looks to be an 80s model with suntour "on the neck" shifters$25 plus shipping---sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE: add --23&1/2" frame posted by sam on 1/24/2005 at 11:16:08 PM

AGE / VALUE:   Copal oil varnish? posted by: sam on 1/24/2005 at 10:20:53 PM
The arts supply in San Antonio now tells me Copal no longer makes this varnish!Any of the art supply stores in other area have any---sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Copal oil varnish? posted by CHRIS on 1/25/2005 at 3:13:43 AM



   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Copal oil varnish? posted by I am Chris... I will help you. on 1/25/2005 at 2:51:04 PM
Those of you who remember t.v.'s Kung Fu with David Carridine as the iterinate Shaol Lin priest: "Cain"
Will remeber in the ending as he's always walking. He has his flute and small bag of essentials. I thought I would have to go wandering again myself searching for this for Sam as I have done for myself with Simichrome polish and other things. I hate it when this happens. Something you need or rely upon is discontinued. Some product that you have become accomstomed to and like. I ask: "What do you mean discontuinued?"
I'll go anywhere,everywhere, searching everyplace, asking everybody. Days without bathing or eating just walking and looking, asking everybody.
I will not be returning home until I have found this. Not until I can snatch the pebble from his hand and walk the rice paper without leaving a trace.
Copal oil varnish. Yes, master.(bowing humbly)

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Copal oil varnish? posted by I am Chris... I will help you. on 1/25/2005 at 8:53:21 PM
Master Sam Poe!
I found it! 3 bottles of Grumbacher copal varnish high gloss.
Yes! This IS one of those shifty, murky things that is no longer being made and is slipping into the mists of time like our bikes and the parts, and the bike history too. Right now my Viking longboat is being loaded up to find more of this. A worthy quest indeed!
Back in the day I visited every shop imaginable.
Stubborn , tenacious, persistent. That's me!

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Copal oil varnish? posted by Chris on 1/26/2005 at 9:44:14 PM
After going mad trying to find proper decals for a vintage cycle one should not have any problems finding the proper and appropriate varnish to fix them to the bicycle.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Copal oil varnish? posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 1/27/2005 at 2:22:17 PM
Ah, ha! so even the proper varnish that is applied over the decals is a challenge because it is no longer being made in the quality that is required and expected. First time I have heard that transfer fix varish is a task too but I believe Sam about everything. I have Brown brothers catalog pages all about varnish and brushes and this stuff I'll get you some of the pages free.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Copal oil varnish? posted by Tim on 1/28/2005 at 4:05:21 PM
Yes well, I only posted a while back saying that Copal was what I used and it works fine. I did not realise that it would start a quest. You can still get this in the UK fairly easily. I had a look on the Web and it would seem that there are plenty of arts suppliers in the USA that have it. I don't like the prices they ask though. Try here http://www.jamescgroves.com/mediums.htm It's a good starting point anyway. Copal resin is still used in many paints so I do not see why the varnish should be anything special. Are there any chemists here who might be able to explain why Copal works so well and if there are any modern equivalents. I think the problem with most varnishes is the solvent base attacking the pigment of the decal. There must be art restorers in the USA who know about this subject. A bit of latteral thinking might be needed


   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Copal oil varnish? posted by Tim on 1/28/2005 at 4:15:58 PM
I forgot to mention this site as well. http://www.sssink.com/how.html
Lots of good info here.


   (Chris's) Monty Python's quest for the Holy transfer fix varnish posted by humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 1/28/2005 at 11:30:45 PM
The store manager fellow complained that they could get variations and close- to's but not what I was specifically asking for. He said Grumbacker was out of business. I asked where else to look and he replied: Good Luck. They acted weird like I expected him to bring it out from under the secret stash someplace. They marveled You can't get that anymore and: "You are not going to sell it to him are you?" Six bottles became three because some lady had to open up her mouth to the guy who confirmed that he had six bottles in his hand and he clinked them while I was on the phone. All of a sudden it was three. It was like trying to wrestle Baycliffe saddle bags away from Ike all over again.
I never thought that using the wrong varnish could have it end up attacking the pigments of the transfer therefore ruining the decal transfers that are so sometimes difficult to secure.Wow, that happening to my decals on my beloved bicycle could potentialy trigger a nervous breakdown. Even now I am shuddering at the thought of wrong varnish attacking the transfers. Then I would contact the guy who sold me the decals and he'd tell me that he would be all out. Yes, I can just see it all happening. The final act of crazyness would be to ship the whole bike out to California for a very expensive whole restoration job because that is the only way to get the guy to let you have the decals is to give him the whole job. Then the bill goes into outer space because he tells you that he does not have them, that they cannot locate them and well... "We can make them for you" and each decal is hundreds of dollars. Then, it comes back looking artifically new and still not right. Oh yes, I have seen firsthand, it happen. I have some truly awesome bikes in the collection some of which that I'd love to have restored but I know better than to try to have done.Too much that can go wrong and would go wrong.
This, like everything else is something that you have to stand over and watch and double check so that it does not go screwy on you. If you send it out then you cannot stand over them and then it goes screwy after the check has cleared and they have your money.
Getting a shop keeper in England to ship this could be difficult also. What I have found is very reasonably priced too. Besides, fun things usually happen to me on my quests.Things are different over here on this side of the pond as far availability goes.Today, it's worse than them not having it in stock. Today you are lucky if the shop keeper has even heard of it at all. If they have it then they can't tell you how to use the stuff. Also, the young people generally don't know anything and it's the older folks who I listen to and tend to trust.
This is only fun when it comes out right, as you expected it to and then when it comes to vintage british bicycles it is better than you imagined.

   RE:(Chris's) Monty Python's quest for the Holy transfer fix varnish posted by Chris on 1/28/2005 at 11:36:49 PM
Thanks to Tim for his thoughtfulness in providing the web pages.
Oh, the quests I'd be off on if I lived in England!

   RE:RE:(Chris's) Monty Python's quest for the Holy transfer fix varnish posted by Tim on 1/30/2005 at 8:45:03 PM
Well Chris, if you ever do come over to Engalnd, be sure to look me up and I will fit you out with a 28" Roadster, a lance, a shield and a broadsword for your quest.



MISC:   ebay offering posted by: mike p on 1/24/2005 at 4:05:58 PM
ebay 6507159033-neat looking bikes

no relation to very understated seller