AGE / VALUE:   Can P.C. sing? posted by: sam on 1/28/2005 at 12:32:51 AM

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Can P.C. sing? posted by P.C. Kohler on 1/29/2005 at 11:43:45 PM
Gosh, Sam... you've blown my cover!

I'll admit I've been to Derby but...

P.C. Kohler

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Gazelle posted by: jack on 1/27/2005 at 8:28:13 AM
Long time no post! Thought I would share a bike my local VW dealer rides. Though not vintage as he bought it 2 yrs ago in Europe...its a dutch Gazelle city bike. Black lugged frame, uni-crown fork (ugh), drum brakes f&r, very pretty 28" wheels w/stainless rims, 3sp hub, steel fenders and enclosed chain guard, rear rack w/integrated LED tailight. Overall looks like english roadster throwback but with modern technology. He didn't say exactly how much it cost but hinted at $6-8C.

So, they are still making some decent roadsters in Europe, although as the US sinks deeper into hell I doubt many of us will be able to afford one.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Gazelle posted by James on 1/27/2005 at 9:23:25 AM
it's probably a Toer Populair see did it have rod pulled drums?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Gazelle posted by James on 1/27/2005 at 9:25:59 AM
What do you mean by $6-8c? $6k? They don't cost that much, the top of the line rod pulled drum models are around €800, simpler models are less and used bikes are pretty cheap in holland, what with so many of them around.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Gazelle posted by James on 1/27/2005 at 10:33:28 AM
the unicrown fork is odd, never seen that on a gazelle before, sounds like a replacement.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Gazelle posted by jack on 1/29/2005 at 6:46:26 AM
He bought the bike new....cable operated drum brakes...C is for hundred as in Roman numerals or C-note as in old gangster films. It also sported anatomically shaped grips...very comfy. I was really impressed by the polished stainless rims. All it was lacking was a nice Brooks but then that would crimp its all-weather nature.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The all-chrome Rudge - this one's for you Chris posted by: Kurt K on 1/27/2005 at 1:51:29 AM
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   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The all-chrome Rudge - this one's for you Chris posted by on 1/27/2005 at 2:09:31 PM
It worked! Hey Thanks.
I like most of what he has in the collection.
Nice bike.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   The all-chrome Rudge - this one's for you Chris posted by Chris on 1/28/2005 at 11:38:29 PM
I'd be looking for the tin of simichrome polish 10 minutes after pulling it out of the box.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   kool stop + steel = noise? posted by: louis on 1/26/2005 at 5:42:19 PM
has anyone else had problems getting the squeal out of the brakes on bikes equipped with steel s/a rims and kool stop pads? i've got the toe-in set to 2-3mm, and i believe the center bolt on the caliper is as tight as it can be without limiting the return spring movement. but, the damn things are still loud enough to wake the dead when i pull them at a decent speed.

since i'm fully a novice mechanic, i'm hoping there's something i might have overlooked and that this isn't just a fact of life with this combination.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: kool stop + steel = noise? posted by James on 1/26/2005 at 7:25:08 PM
I've always had that problem with orange kool stops on by Alu rim Robin Hood, rain helps. The front caliper on the robinhood is a bit bent ouf ot shape, which might contribute to the problem, maybe it's the combination of old caliper design and new pads and there is nothing you can do about it. though it does become less noisy
I just bought some of the rain cheater pads, black pads with leather inserts, I'll see how those work.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   kool stop + steel = noise? posted by David on 1/26/2005 at 11:46:36 PM
My Sports squeals like crazy w/Kool Stop+steel rims. I've resigned myself to it and justified the noise as a way to alert shoppers at Johnny's Foodmaster that I'm on my final approach!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: kool stop + steel = noise? posted by James on 1/27/2005 at 12:30:10 AM
One of these days I'm going to try using techro or odyssey extra long reach calipers on my Robin Hood, those might provide quieter braking, but then noisy brakes aren't necessarily a bad thing, think of it as a safety device.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Whitworth posted by: Charl Cilliers on 1/26/2005 at 1:24:36 PM
Hello from South Africa

I just wanted to tell "somebody" that I have just bought a Rudge Whitworth men's bicycle! Yay!

I got it off an old chap here in my hometown (Stellenbosch)who has been riding it for the last 40 years. By the looks of it he never once cleaned it though! I was having a morning cup of coffee in town when I spotted him park his bicycle against an oak tree. I immediately approached him and well, the rest is history! :-)

I must say the bike will need a bit of work, however the headbadge is still in place and has the words South Africa on it... must have been manufactured locally? It has rod brakes and 3 speed Sturmey Archer (handle-bar mounted lever) gears. The serial number on the bike reads: 0371NL....
Can anyone give an indication of the age from this? I cant't find serial number charts for Rudge bikes on the net.

I still need to clean all the oil and dirt off the back hub to see if can make out a date code. That should help providing the hub is original.

Otherwise everything looks original, except for the seat. The old gentleman said he'd look at home to see if he still has it in his garage somewhere. Oh, and the reflector on the back mudshield is missing. Any ideas where I could get a suitable seat and reflector?

I'm going to enjoy polishing this one up!

I'll keep you all posted and will add it to the pictures database once it is in presentable form!


Charl Cilliers


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Whitworth posted by P.C. Kohler on 1/26/2005 at 2:39:13 PM
Yes... Raleigh did indeed have a plant in South Africa. I forget where it was located... a wonderful Afrikaans named V something or rather. Raleigh and South Africa were very important for this was the first co-operative venture between Raleigh and British Cycle Corp. (TI) which eventually paved the way for the TI buy-out of Raleigh.

Rudges were popular in the RSA; during several visits there in the early to mid 1980s I saw quite a few of the roadsters. Several years back a chap contacted me about a chromed Rudge he got in the RSA. What size tyres does yours have? Most African roadsters have wider rims.

And I envy your living in beautiful Stellenbosch... oak trees with old roadsters leaning against them. A perfect university town.

Ons Vir Jou Suid-Afrika!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Whitworth posted by Charl Cilliers on 1/26/2005 at 9:49:40 PM

Thanks for the info. I have just spent the last six hours cleaning up the bike durig which I noticed that the headbadge has the name of the town "Springs" on it as well as "South Africa". I also cleaned up the rear hub and it shows the date code 53 and 7 on it, indicating that it (I am guessing the hub is original) was made in July of 1953.

I do also recall seeing al old Raleigh the other day, also with a headbadge indicating that it was made in Spings. That particular owner didn't want to part with his bike though!

Hamba kakughle (translation: "Go well" in English from Xhosa)

Charl Cilliers


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Whitworth posted by Charl Cilliers on 1/30/2005 at 8:38:25 AM
In response to your question this bike has 26 x 2 x 1 ¾ tyres. My other bicycles (Achilles, Hercules and Raleigh) have thinner tyres 28 x 1 ½

And yes, Stellenbosch is a great place to live! A perfect university town surrounded by stunning mountain scenery, vineyards, oak trees, lots of pretty girls and, as I am discovering, it's not a bad place to look for classic bicycles :-)