MISC:   Feaux Naval Jelly.....? posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/18/2005 at 1:03:30 AM
OK... was looking for good ole Naval Jelly and came across a product called Klean-Strip RUST remover...

As I have the tyres off my large frame 5-Speed (derailleur) Sprite, I thought that I would re-visit the condition of the rims...

Anyhow, this stuff is somewhat jelly like (sticks pretty good), pink in colour and seems to dissolve the rust pretty well.

So now all I gotta do is figure out how to fill the larger pitted holes before I go over the rims with simichrome polish.

Any insights as to the aforementioned "pit-filling" would be appreciated. Mostly, it's not too bad... like on a galloping horse (or rolling Roadster for that matter) at 30 paces, I think you would not notice anything... so, I may just polish them out as is.

Gee... with any luck, I will have it finished up by the time the temps get above 40!

Oh... there's a website for the product as well... an outfit in Tennessee, "Klean-Strip" (Employee Owned!). I've not checked it out... yet... ;-)


Hope everyone's been getting their machines tuned up for the RIDING season!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:MISC:   Feaux Naval Jelly.....? posted by Edward in Vancouver on 3/21/2005 at 1:19:11 AM
Ah, cleaning rims. I remember going through the expense and bother of re-chroming a 32 hole Raleigh rim for my Superbe and was astounded that even with the stripping and 3 stage chroming process, the rim still had rust/crud rolling around in the hollow sections of the rim. On quiet rides the sound drove me nuts. So I experimented on a rusty 36 hole rim. My rant: Oxolic acid. A white crystal. Found naturally, albeit in minisule amounts, in Spinach and Rhubarb, commercialy available as "wood bleach". Alot of marine shops use it as rust remover. Pretty cheap too, as I remember. With a syringe, I injected a solution into the tiny holes in the box section part of the rim, set the wheel in a trueing stand, plugged the holes, and slowly revolved the wheel, maybe a 1/4 turn every half day, then slowly drained it. It works, I have quiet wheels. Don't know what to do about the pitting though...

AGE / VALUE:   National Swap Meet List available posted by: Peter Naiman on 3/17/2005 at 4:32:00 AM
I've started a new monthly data base for all swap and bike shows that will be posted to three cycling newsgroup or sites on a monthly basis. The group or sites are this area of the Oldroads.com site, the Classic Rendezvous site, and the Boblist. The list has been ongoing for about a month or more to the last two sites, and new to Oldroads. I rely on the readers of this lists to update me on a regular basis as new shows & swaps come up. I'll post updates the first of each month and as time allows through the month. For now the list is complete through the End of April with a few events listed through years end. I have another dozen or so events from May onward to update to the list. Below is the current calendar of events.

Sat. March 19 **
Trail Head Cyclery Bike Swap
8am till it fizzles out
Location: the parking lot out at the corner of Camden and Union Ave., Trail Head Cyclery
14450 Union Ave
San Jose, CA 95124
Tel: 408-369-9666
Email: tech@trailheadcyclery.com

Sat. March 26
El Bike Swap
de Tucson.
Tucson, Arizona
Greg Yares 323-9020 yares@cox.net
4th Avenue
from 8 AM to 1 PM
Free for all vendors & buyers.

Sunday March 27th 8:00 AM - 2:00 PM
17th Annual Seattle Area Old Bike Swap Meet and Show
Kent National Guard Armory,
24410 Military Road., Kent, WA
For information call: Mike McCormack @ 206-783-2850
Or Ron Summer @ 206-364-0922

April 3, 2005
2nd Annual Bicycle Show Bicycles, family, food & fun !!! Our first show was a blast, this year will be better !!! Indoors & Out, Vendors, a 3 foot tall Best of Show Trophy, 13 trophies total. Please view the web pages. Don't miss out on a great time !!!!
Phone: 717-258-3342
Mostly Stingray and Ballon Tyre.

Sun April 2-3
The 13th Annual
Antique & Classic Bicycle Show & Swap
Marietta National Guard Armory
The Bicycle Club of Atlanta
P. O. Box 12341
Atlanta, Georgia 30355
Buck 404-252-3432
8:00 AM ' 4:00 PM
"Bonus Vintage Lightweight Section: Featuring a show
and swap area to highlight our Euroheads

April 3, 2005
The Pedaler Bike Shop - Pedaler Bike Swap
3826 San Pablo Dam Road, El Sobrante, CA
10:00 AM until 4:00 PM
Free Admission
You can rent a 10'x10' space for $50. Smaller spaces are available for people who have less stuff. Contacts: email at: swap@theped.com , fax (510) 222 6168 or call (510) 222-3420 for more information!

April 3, 2005*
Valley Spokesmen Bicycle Swap Meet
Dublin High School, 8151 Village Parkway, Dublin. CA
from 1:00 to 4:00 PM
Admission is free. No charge for sellers or buyers
This swap meet is presented by the Valley Spokesmen Bicycle Club for the benefit of all bicyclists. For further information: Bob Powers: 925-828-5299 This swap meet is presented by the Valley Spokesmen Bicycle Club for the benefit of all bicyclists. For further information: Bob Powers: 925-828-5299

April 14 - 17, 2005
Sea Otter Classic
Huge Trade Show
Monterey, California
Hotline 650-364-7612

April 16th-Sunday
Spring San Diego Velodrome Swap Meet
Gates open 7:30am for drive in sellers
8:00am for walk in sellers
9:00am to 3:00pm for buyers

Sat April 16
Trexlertown Spring Flea Market
Lehigh Valley Velodrome
Trexlertown, Pennsylvania
9 AM - 2 PM
Admission $5.00

Fri & Sat April 15 & 16
Copake Swap Meet & Auction
Copake, New York
Michael Fallon
(518) 329-1142 info@copakeauction.com
Swap Meet - Friday April 15 - Dawn 'till Dusk
$20 Vendor Fee - Free to public
Auction - Sat April 16 10 AM

Sun. April 24
Anne Arbor/Saline Classic Bike Show & Swap
Ann Arbor, Michigan
6-10pm E.S.T. weekdays
Paul Kleppert
Biggest, Oldest, and the Best Antique and Classic
Bicycle Show in the nation." Focus on balloon tired

Sun. April 24
Cupertino Bike Shop - Swap Meet
10493 S. De Anza Blvd, Cupertino California
10:00 AM-4:00 PM
Admission $2.00
South Bay's largest road and mountain bike swap meet.
ROMP (Responsible Organized Mountain Pedalers) and
Cupertino Bike Shop

Sat. May 7 **
The Bent Spoke Swap
1615 University Avenue,
Berkley, CA
Contact Ty: 510-540-0583
Fax: 510-540-0607
Hours unknown !!

May 21 **
Mill Valley Bike Swap
Site: Strawberry Point Elementary School
171 East Strawberry Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
Or contact Michael:at: mvbikeswap@yahoo.com

May 28 **
Great Western Bike Ralley May 27-30, 2005.
Concourse D'Elegance on May 28.
Paso Robles, California.
Rod Doty, Director 310-838-0843

Sat. June 25 **
Trips for Kids Bike Swap & Sale
Mill Valley Middle School
425 Sycamore, Mill Valley CA
Admission: $5.00
kids 15 and under free with adult

Sat. June 25th **
Show tim: 9:00AM-3:00PM
The Pana 5th Annual (Illinois) Antique-Classic Bicycle Show & Swap
Kitchell Park, Chautauqua Pavilion
Pana, Illinois 62557
Admission: $5.00
Phone: 217-562-2813 or 217-562-4240
EMail: bikes62557@yahoo.com


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Reynolds tubing and the RRA posted by: Geoff Rogers on 3/16/2005 at 8:57:04 PM
I have been perusing some old cycling books at the local library and came across one on Custom Bicycles from 1979. It has chapters on Reynolds and Columbus, on frame manufacturers (including TI Raleigh), and on various other interesting topics. I learned a few interesting facts that I would like to share.
1. Prewar Raleigh Record Ace tubing: These machines had tubing that was described on the tubing transfer on the seat tube as "HM tubes", which I always thought meant generic high manganese content. Not so! "HM" was the Reynolds name for their best tubing before they came out with the "531" name. So your prewar RRA really does have a Reynolds frame.
2. "531", always pronounced "five three one" by the Reynolds people, is named for the ratios of manganese, molybdenum and steel(?). Not sure which metal goes with which number.
3. Jaguar E-types had subframes made from special square-section Reynolds tubing. Maybe it was square 531? The book didn't say. I had always heard it was some special lightweight tubing that should not be welded. The cars are certainly light; perhaps they would be less so if they were equipped with Dynohubs! I marvel at how my lovely, otherwise lightweight 1956 Raleigh Super Lenton was made into a nose-heavy, not-so-light cycle with its original Dynohub generator and lighting setup. It's cool, though, and it even works.
4. Reynolds 531 is not chromium moybdenum, as commonly thought. It is Manganese molybdenum.
There, that's some trivia for you lightweight English fans!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Reynolds tubing and the RRA posted by James on 3/16/2005 at 9:51:27 PM
The bicycles that interest me most as the largely forgotten pre-war "light roadsters" made with some sort of chromoly or high manganese tubing, sunbeam had a few models, not sure if raleigh did. I came across one model, or rather a catalogue illustration of a "light roadster," I forget who made it that had a chromoly frame, lauterwasser handlebar and chaincase. If I were to own a bike like that I'd have to make it myself and take a frame building class.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Reynolds tubing and the RRA posted by sam on 3/19/2005 at 2:36:13 PM
While the HM was Reynols trademark it does stand for High Manganese.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Reynolds tubing and the RRA posted by Smitty on 3/20/2005 at 5:17:06 AM
James it is not as hard to build your own frame as you might think if you have brazing experiance . It is very time cosuming (because you will not have real good tooling) and a litle costly rounding up all the period parts. I had to biuld my own club 3 speed (60cm frames of that type are not very common) ther is a lot on the net about it.It is very rewarding telling people when they ask what kind of frame it is that it is yours. GO FOR IT!!!

AGE / VALUE:    PAINT! !! Somebody look them up, chase it down get back to me posted by: humberchristopher28@hotmail.com on 3/16/2005 at 2:11:31 AM

I need somebody to look into this. Are these folks still in business? Have the stock of old goodies and tools already been gobbled up by the old bike vultures? What's there today?
I'm interested to know if they are still with us, or have they faded into the mists of time? They sounded like they had what it took overall and especially the part about mixing their own paint! Notice they don't mention Powder coat paint!
I quote from Cycling and Mopeds January 22, 1964

"On the frame order form of....
the buyer fills in details of frame size, chainstay length, top tube length, fork rake and head and seat angles and leaves the rest to them!
They have (or had) two basic designs, one using Nervex professional lugs and the other the popular Italian-style lugs. The later frame set is the one used by their independent team and costs L(pound sterling) 16 19s 6d
Frame sizes can be anywhere in the 19 1/2 to 26 inch range and.... (here we go, gets deliciously tasty sounding here!)finishes in enamel, lustre or flamboyant are available. They are also able to match colours to the customers sample as they mix their own paints."

I'm drooling here!
HMMMM! Wonder if they could match the Humber blue paint? Re-spray my 1948 Record Ace and do a stunning job? My Lenton Sports?
Set time machine to:
January 22, 1964

I wonder what became of the paints, formulas, tools, patterns e.t.c.
Wilsons, I have never heard of them!
Anybody in the Birmingham, England area? reading this?

Ok, I'm scanning in .... The Vittoria story: The continuation of their international survery of tubular tire manufacturers.
Let me know what you turn up.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:    PAINT! !! Somebody look them up, chase it down get back to me posted by Tim on 3/17/2005 at 2:17:05 PM
Looking for a bicycle manufacturer in Aston Road Birmingham is like looking for tree in a forest. Aston Road had dozens of them. If you go to this site, http://www.hunimex.net/warwick/freecens/2389.html and do a search on the word bicycle you will find hundreds of people who worked on bicycles in Birmingham. It was once as big as Nottingham and Coventry for cycle manufacture. Alas all but a few have now gone. Aston Rd. and Aston Brook, (the home of Sun Cycles were famous for cycle manufacture. Despite everyones fixation with Raleigh you can see that Frank Bowden did not have everything his own way in those days. To find old cycle manufacterers takes a lot of digging. You have to go through a lot of census files and town hall records etc to find references, then visit the site and look around. Sometimes you can find old people who remeber things or even worked there.

Hope this helps,


WANTED:   Robin Hood chainguard posted by: Kurt K. on 3/16/2005 at 1:00:17 AM
Looking for a black Robin Hood chainguard for Sports model. Doesn't have to be in top-notch shape, just something presentable on a daily driver with a minimum of rust and/or dents. For '69 model year, down-tube clamp mounting.

Email cudak888@aol.com if you have anything.

Take care,