MISC:   A little different.... posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/3/2005 at 4:03:55 PM
Couldn't quite pass these up... as my 5-Speed Sprite is in desperate need of new tyres.... and I've not seen Whitewalls in this size before.



Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:MISC:   A little different.... posted by Kurt K. on 3/4/2005 at 12:16:20 AM
I have a pair of Duro whitewalls in this size as well with brick tread (I believe Sam has an identical pair as well). The Kenda's whitewalls are a bit sloppy for my liking, but they still look very nice, and are a welcome change from old, faded gumwalls!


   RE:RE:MISC:   A little different.... posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/4/2005 at 11:36:25 PM
Well, looking at the pics, the walls on this pair seem pretty clean. I do trust the seller as I've procured from him in the past... Ya shoulda seen me on the NY State Thruway coming back from his place... cruisin' in my little S10 pickup... with no less than 12 English Roadsters jammed in the bed. :-) The looks I got!

I think they will work out just fine. And yes... definitely a different course from standard gumwalls.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Second Question posted by: Mike on 3/3/2005 at 3:36:40 PM
Here's another question: I have a Raleigh Tourist with a rear axle kickstand. The arm on the stand is a bit loose though and bounces around quite a bit while riding. Is there some way to fix this and tighten the arm? Is there another form of kickstand I could use to replace it? I don't think a standard kickstand below the center portion will work due to the rod brake linkage (though I haven't tried it). Anyone know where I could find a replacement or else how to tighten that arm?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Second Question posted by sam on 3/3/2005 at 11:37:00 PM
You might try one of these:

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Brooks Question posted by: Mike on 3/3/2005 at 1:35:21 PM
Hi, I have a late 1970s DL1 with the original B66 still on it. My question is: how do I get the "sag" out of the seat? The leather isn't in horrible shape but the seat has a definite sag to it so that when you sit, you're actually sitting on the frame of the saddle. Is there an adjustment that can be made to re-stretch the leather so that you can sit more comfortably on it?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Brooks Question posted by Lawrence BRadley on 3/3/2005 at 4:27:58 PM
You'll need the special little Brooks spanner (wrench to Americans...) to tighten the nut under the "nose" of the leather. Using anything other than the proper tool will drive you nuts! I beleive as well as the official Brooks tool there is one available that fits Brooks on one end and Ideale on the other. There is a limit to how much you can tighten it though. Also, one can punch a series of holes along the side of the leather and lace it to lessen the flare.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Brooks Question posted by Jacob on 3/3/2005 at 5:37:15 PM
Recently I got a new Brooks spanner from my LBS. It amazed me to discover that it fit the nut on my newest B66 (from about 1999), but the nuts on my older B66's are slightly smaller (or bigger, can't remeber it right now), and the spanner won't fit. Which is a shame, because the old saddles off course are in more need of a little tightening. So much for conservatism in english bike-industry!

At the same visit in the LBS I asked for new cables for my SA S5-2, and I was pleased when the guy came from out back with a NOS S5-2 dual-lever unit complete with wire, housing and fittings for the indicator rods. That made my day.

Jacob, Denmark


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Brooks Question posted by Mike on 3/6/2005 at 7:02:59 AM
By tightening the nut you mean actually tightening the nut itself as in turn that little silver nut clockwise? (as opposed to tightening the bolt thing by turning the nut counter clockwise?

AGE / VALUE:   Raleigh twenty chainguard posted by: James on 3/3/2005 at 7:16:22 AM
Does anyone have a spare Raleigh twenty chainguard in decent shape, any colour?

MISC:   Antiques Roadshow FYI Bicycle Segment Disgrace posted by: Kurt K. on 3/3/2005 at 2:10:54 AM
Seems like Antiques Roadshow has thrown a rather unfair curveball with Vinny.

Of course, the show's highlights make note of the "19th-century antiques to 1960s classics" they will be covering...even if the only examples of a post-1920's bike is composed of a two-second clip of a ballooner and a Lemon Peeler Krate pedaling by. (I didn't expect much mention of the English makes, but the ignorance shown towards the later American bikes of the '50s was indeed surprising, if not shocking)

Mention of Krate and ballooner bikes consisted of a quick, sarcastic nod towards the flashy appearance of them (So what? Highwheelers are just as laughable at, it's all a matter of opinion!), rather, the Highwheelers successfully secured the rather pitiful time they allowed on the show for the bicycle segment.

That's not the end of it though - the show featured absolutely no sign of our good friend Vinny, the man who brings us this great site. Perhaps they preferred the fancy title of this other fellow Dave, being a top member of the 'Wheelmen's Association.' Don't get me wrong, I'm sure this Dave is a fine fellow, but it's a rather slap in the face to Vinny, regardless. The least the Roadshow could have done was contact Vinny to note that his two hours of work would be notably absent from the show, and not to expect anything on March 2nd.

Ah, well, it was probably all in favor of squeezing more time in to exhibit the works of "eccentric illustrator" (read: "cuckoo lunatic") Edward "Gory" Gorey. Guess this is what to expect from the idiots in the TV world - they know the general public will be just as happy watching the inferior as they would the superior.

Just my two cents. I may throw a nickel in if I find I forgot to rant on a few other points of this disgrace.


P.S.: At least we won't have to worry about losing our coveted flea-market and thrift shop finds.

   RE:MISC:   Antiques Roadshow FYI Bicycle Segment Disgrace posted by Kim on 3/3/2005 at 1:28:12 PM
Yeah, where were the bikes that people living today would have actually seen and ridden? I was hoping to see some art deco bikes and Krates and maybe a classic three-speed or something. Instead it was just fancy antique high wheelers and such. Hey, those antiques are out of my league! Show me something I might find at a yard sale or some bikes I remember from when I was a kid!


   RE:MISC:   Antiques Roadshow FYI Bicycle Segment Disgrace posted by dickshooter on 3/3/2005 at 3:02:02 PM
I like the way the guy responded to questions about values of the bikes that were shown: "Oh, $1500 to $6000..."

That's really pinning it down!

   RE:MISC:   Antiques Roadshow FYI Bicycle Segment Disgrace posted by Chris on 3/3/2005 at 8:12:54 PM
I've been digging and reading and collecting, and asking questions, and piecing together U.S. bicycle history for some time now.
Given all the factories, and manufactures, and name brands with some of this helping to get the automobile industry here in the U.S. off to a start.
Also with all the really interesting and historic things out there to draw from they could have interesting segments for years to come.

Something does not make sense with this falling flat. The history is far too rich and interesting for it to be passed over and by an antiques show on P.B.S.?

Forget the Krates, Im talking about National bicycle, or what came before Schwinn and early Schwinn.
What about Iver Johnson, you know them don't you? The firearm maker who made bikes ? Trust the truss?

My god! What about Major Taylor?
New Departure? Bristol, Connecticut.
I can go on!
I have been bothered about antiques roadshow's stance on vintage bikes and I was hoping to see something that would redeem it, but now this?
It's a slap in the face of the country itself.
Ignoring what made the country great!
I dunno, this is not good.
A vintage bike from 1910 is a lot more interesting that a lot of things we see on the roadshow.
I like the show, but this is just plain wrong.
The banner with the antique bike and no antique bikes?
Vin has what it takes, so we can't blame him.
This went Ka- Ka from some other angle.

I smell rat as usual.
Remember when they ask you in disbelief:
"Where did you find that thing?"
You are onto someting good.

Do you know how many bike collectors and big time ones, and industry people are out there and this is neglected so badly and now still born?
And on P.B.S.?
The one place that should have their act together?
What about the History Channel?
Them too!

They delve into Adolf Hitler from every angle imaginable. I have dubbed it the "Hitler channel" They need to pull back a bit from their obsession with him.
A course in that part of history is good as we do not want to forget as a way of preventing that it does not happen again.- Still they go overboard.
I am an American citizen, I love America and want to study it's history. The neat things made that helped make the country great.
The bicycles produced here and where it led to is a fine example.

The museaum here where I live has it all sideways too.

No mention of the Indians who were here before us, What tribe? Their history and how that became ours and the history that is the city's.
No mention.
They made an effort, but if it were a project for school I would be afraid to turn it in for fear of getting a poor grade and seeing writting all over it in the prof's red pen chewing me out.
Let's give the roadshow an F. I don't thing they should pass the class.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Antiques Roadshow FYI Bicycle Segment Disgrace posted by Kurt K. on 3/3/2005 at 11:22:02 PM
Well said Chris.

>...to be passed over and by an antiques show on P.B.S.?

"Antiques show", maybe, but to what extent on quality information. Look at the other coverage that they give to the other items on FYI, not to mention the very brief "going overs" by the appraisers on the original Roadshow. What do you learn? Not much. (Take the stolen Stradivarius from the FYI show for example: A big dramatic 5 minute showoff relaying the theivery of it - this segment particularly feels disconnected from the rest of the show, and what do you learn? Nothing, except it's "really valuable." Cue the audience gasping and cheering at this amazing discovery.)

This show is condensed to fit the time slots, and there's no reason, from their point of view, to jabber on about something more then they do. Folks watch it, and not knowing better, consider it the best thing since sliced bread. Give them too much information (i.e.: tell them anything of value), and the viewers will flip the channel, far as the producers are concerned.

>What about Iver Johnson, you know them don't you?

I am familiar with the brand, and I must thank Sheldon Brown for his article on his own Iver Johnson to have spurred an interest in the brand. I must say that I've never seen another American lightweight manufacturer make a bike of such simple elegance and unmistakable quality.

Of course, the whole show cannot be relegated to one brand (as of course, you very well realize), but regardless of that, as you say - the Roadshow's handling of it is no doubt a shameful slap in the face.

>I have been bothered about antiques roadshow's stance on vintage bikes...

What stance? The only hint I had ever seen towards any bicycle in general was the mixte frame roadster printed on their draperies in the backround - incedentally, the 2005 season chucked these out.

>Vin has what it takes, so we can't blame him. This went Ka- Ka from some other angle.

Of course. It's very obvious that Vin himself, until the show was aired, didn't know what to expect - the crapola obviously came from the side of the Roadshow, and I wouldn't be surprised if they cut up a good deal of the film they shot of the Highwheelers (but managed to show the kid doing the foot stand in the parade no less then twice).

>And on P.B.S.? The one place that should have their act together?

Chris, it's a happy thought, but none of these channels, in general, have all their wires run right - there'll always be a short circut somewhere along the line.

I can't say I have much to praise PBS about though...have you seen their new line of "inspiration" type commercials? Being a classical pianist, I was completely appalled at the particular commerical which featured a 'concert' - if you can call it one. The finale became such a loud, brash affair that the piano lid slammed down, the string section had smoke coming from the bows, and the chelloist finished the spectacle off by slamming his instrument to the stage floor, where it splintered into a terrible mess - upon this, the audience broke into a resounding cheer.

Do you call this taste? Hardly! It's disgusting, and any channel who allows themselves to be promoted in such a fasion has to have some diodes missing from their circutboards.

>What about the History Channel?

Don't get me started on the History Channel's Hitler fetish.

You may notice that the Channel particularly likes to show him as an unfortunate underdog and appear to take an extremely insulting form of pity on him, instead of seriously acknowledging that he was responsible for the hellishly brutish acts that were committed during his terrible reign. The man was a complete fiend, the devil himself. It is an insult to the six million Jews and countless others who were slain by this man's actions to portray him in such a manner!

I digress, but I felt I was obligated to mention it.

I will stop now, perhaps I will post my original message on the PBS A.R. FYI forum.

Take care,


   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Antiques Roadshow FYI Bicycle Segment Disgrace posted by VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc. at OldRoads.com on 3/4/2005 at 12:36:35 AM
We're still knocked back on our heels here at OldRoads.

It took time, money and effort to bring a load of correct, clean examples of bicycles from the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s and 1960s to the filming of the show back in September.

I really thought we were on the right track by bringing bicycles of those eras. We chose period cycles which represent cycling in America in those decades - bikes you'd own and you'd see on the bike rack at school or you'd ride while delivering newspapers; bikes you'd see downtown or at your neighbor's house.

After spending 2+ hours talking about the bikes with the show's host on camera, I had no doubt the cycles and I would be on the program. My only question was for how long and would it seem too detailed or too pedantic. You may have seen the 1937 Sterling or the 1969 Schwinn Sting-Ray Lemon Peeler being ridden by the host at the intro to the show. That was our only aired contribution to the program.

There's no such thing as a free lunch, unless you're the dope that delivers it.

Vin - VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc.

   RE:MISC:   Antiques Roadshow FYI Bicycle Segment Disgrace posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 3/4/2005 at 1:55:31 AM
While I didn't see the show... I'm not at all surprised... If I may share a similar experience. Not too long ago... there was an episode of "The Apprentice" that Featured M'azing chocolate bars...

Now I work for Masterfoods USA in Hackettstown... and you would simply not believe the time, energy and MONEY that went into preparing for the filming. They filmed HOURS and HOURS of footage on-site.... and for what? About 5 minutes worth of the show....

Don't know so much with public broadcasting... but certainly with network broadcasting... it's all about one thing..... RATINGS.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:MISC:   Antiques Roadshow FYI Bicycle Segment Disgrace posted by Bryan on 3/4/2005 at 2:09:40 AM
Vin, please don't be discouraged. Its their loss. Anyone who chooses this hobby understands that we march to the beat of a different drummer. Always have, always will.

Your true fans here on the website appreciate your efforts.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Antiques Roadshow FYI Bicycle Segment Disgrace posted by Chris on 3/4/2005 at 3:20:30 AM
I'm acknowledging all Vin did for this, all the preparation and costs, and efforts and they( Antiques Roadshow) do this?
Have they done this to the furniture appraisers, (and other folks) who step forward in like fashon to make it an interesting show?
Vin, were are all proud of you. We were reading and thinking: Cool! when we heard the announcement.
You had the love of it in your heart enough to make the effort again, as you have been doing here all along.

I guess America will miss the wild, interesting, stay frozen in your seat, history filled whirlwind t.v. tour of some of the favorite bikes that America grew up on. However it is not for the lack of trying as Vin has shown us he that tried.

Have you guys seen "Unwraped" it covers all the national treasures in the world of candy confectionary. They go into all of the factories where Americas candy heritage is still producing the favorite candy that we and our parents grew up loving. A bit of history and we watch it being made and they tell how it's made.
Andees mints, beer nuts, squirrel chews, it goes on covering everything.

So much of antiques roadshow is about getting the viewer to marvel over "That thing is worth how much?" The six thousand dollar table or whatever. The greed angle, so to speak. With so many old bikes still being tossed out and picked up and sold on e- bay for moere that you's expect it to get. You would think they would cover it better.
I'm sorry for Vin and for the viewing public, most of whom would have loved to see something on the show about a bike that they owned when they were a kid. "Hey, I had one of those!"
Another thing, A bicycle is more intimate of a possession than a table or a piece of jewlery.

Bring out one of your antique bikes and people gather around and it is a conversation starter. This subject (vintage bikes) has what it takes.
Antiques roadshow does not teach us anything save the bit of tidbit that the apprasier expert may decide to share with us either.


   UPDATE: ---------   Antiques Roadshow FYI Bicycle Segment Disgrace posted by VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc. at OldRoads.com on 3/5/2005 at 11:25:27 PM
The Roadshow go in touch with us on Friday to say the bicycle segment was split into 2 pieces. The 1930s to 1960s segment, our segment, will air this summer. Right now the date is 13-July but it could change.

When it gets close we'll post something here...

Vin - VVVintage Vintage Bicycles, Inc.