MISC:   Restoration of Brooks saddle posted by: Bruce on 5/28/2005 at 7:04:54 PM
I have an older Rudge sports I am trying to get back on the road. The Brooks saddle is kind of worn, any recommendations to get it useable. It is worn and a few cracks, I have a new saddle, but would prefer to keep original for as long as practical, I only use this one for short rides anyway. Thanks for any information

   RE:MISC:   Restoration of Brooks saddle posted by Kurt K. on 5/29/2005 at 11:11:23 PM
If the cracks do not cause a structural deficiency in the leather, a little saddle soap to condition it should be all it needs. Of course, there may be better soulutions then this - if so, I don't know about them. Perhaps another member here may be able to recommend something?

P.S.: I do recall on one of the older VVVintage forums there being a post describing how one fellow actually re-covered his Brooks saddle with new leather. A new one for me, but obviously, possible.

I would like to note that there were some skeptical posts by others about his method of shaping the saddle with rubbing alchohol, mainly due to the safety concerns with it. Since I haven't (and don't) attempt to try it myself, I cannot speak of whether this is a feasible method or not.

All the best of luck with your Rudge Sports! Curious, what model Brooks saddle is it? B72?


   RE:RE:MISC:   Restoration of Brooks saddle posted by Bruce on 5/31/2005 at 1:56:15 AM

Thanks for the reply, yes it is a B72. Actually it has a tear on the back corner that is about 1/4 inch long, other than that it is in pretty good shape. I think I will try to get it back in shape. If that doesn't work I have a brand new B17 that I still have in the box. I need to round up a frame pump for the Rudge in case anybody has one for sale. I would prefer one in good working condition that fits a green Rudge (early 60's model). Happy Trails

   RE:MISC: Restoration of Brooks saddle posted by sam on 5/31/2005 at 2:44:51 AM
Mostly what happens to old saddles is the oils dry up and let all the water in the leather dry out.Yes,I said that right.A new leather saddle has oils that hold just enough water to keep the leather plyable.Too much oil disolves the leather,water only drys and leaves the leather hard.And hard leather brakes apart.We had a lone talk several years ago on this.A leather worker said to mix neets foot oil,lard,and water.Make a paint ,coat the "old" saddle ,put it in a plastic bag and let it set.There is a warning that goes with making this paint.Never,and I mean NEVER,heat the oil and add water! Always heat the water first or put all together and heat.---sam

   RE:RE:MISC: Restoration of Brooks saddle posted by Bruce on 6/1/2005 at 1:04:51 AM

Thanks for the reply. What is the percentage of each component? 1/3 neets foot oil, 1/3 lard & 1/3 water??

   RE:RE:RE:MISC: Restoration of Brooks saddle posted by sam on 6/1/2005 at 3:31:38 PM
I think that was what was given.But neets foot oil is expencive and I don't think it's important to have all the parts equal.I'd try a cup of water,cup of lard,and several ounces of the oil.--sam

MISC:   UMC Museum Father's Day Bicycle Festival posted by: Clyde on 5/28/2005 at 1:21:22 AM
Everyone should try to make it to the upcoming Louisiana Bicycle Festival across the lake from New Orleans. Date: Father's Day - June 19. Located on the Tammany Trace (rail-to-trail) Bike Path in St. Tammany Parish (that's Louisiana's form of a county). Lots of eclectic bicycles and owners! Check out the link:


   RE:MISC: UMC Museum Father's Day Bicycle Festival posted by sam on 5/29/2005 at 11:35:10 PM
I'll be there with a couple of my English bikes.This year we're giving a bike to the best Jr.Hotrod(16 and under) Prizes and trophys for other categories.

Louisiana Bicycle Festival Sunday, JUNE 19, 2005
Father's Day in Abita Springs 10 AM - 2PM Abita Springs
Our The first festival was in 2000. Some people claim our festival is the largest custom bicycle festival in the country.
It is certainly a lot of fun.
Come see, exhibit, and ride homebuilt, vintage and custom bicycles. All bicycles types were welcome.
The festival includes Festival Food, Bicycle Parade, Bicycle Garage Sale, and Bicycle Competitions.
Sponsors for past festivals have included the Abita Springs Business Association, Abita Brewery, Walmart, 3G Bikes, BikeRod&Kustom, Firebikes and the UCM Museum, Miller High Life.
Over 400 bike enthusiasts attended last years festival.

And it is all FREE - no registration money, no nothing. Prizes will be given out for the competitors.
In the past, prize categories included: / Original Pre 1940 / Original 1940 - 1960 / Original Post 1960 / Restored Pre 1940 / Restored 1940 - 1960 / Restored Post 1960 / Custom/Decorated/Novelty / Art from Bikes or Bike Parts / Best in Show. HOWEVER the categories change sometimes.

So come to the fesitval and have fun. The parade will be around noon.

John Preble
So you planning on comming ,Clyde? See Ya there---sam

   RE:RE:MISC: UMC Museum Father's Day Bicycle Festival posted by Clyde on 6/1/2005 at 1:02:25 AM
I'll be there, just like the last 3 years.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   White Tail posted by: Mike on 5/27/2005 at 10:39:05 PM
When did Raleigh stop using the white tail and reflector on the rear fenders of DL1s/Tourists? I have a TOurist with a hub dated 1978 that has an all-black rear fender with no reflector. Anyone know if this is original?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   White Tail posted by Ken Cowan on 5/28/2005 at 6:33:59 AM
I also have a 28" DL1 with rodbrakes and an all black rear mudguard. I have a theory! My bike also has an extra thick chain as does my delivery bike. These chains were for commercial use. Could it be my bike was issued as a police bike and therefor would have special requirements?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: White Tail posted by Mike on 5/28/2005 at 1:59:09 PM
I've seen other DL-1 Tourists with all black rear Fenders, but those dated from the early 1980s. Is it possible they put a '78 Hub on a bike that was actually made in 1980?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: White Tail posted by Kurt K. on 5/29/2005 at 12:10:32 AM
The white-tails were phased out in 1978 for US and home markets, previous to that, in '77, front and spoke reflectors made their first appearance, and the conventional SA/Lucas rubber piece was replaced by a large rectangular reflector. It was simply part of the gradual transition from tradition to goverment regs., and various new standards.

The white fender tip was probably ommitted to save the Nottigham plant a few bucks on white paint. Not that they ultimately eliminated it - most post-1978 non-US exports still retained the traditional white-out tip (my '79 Rudge an example of such).

Take care,


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bottom bracket posted by: Julia on 5/27/2005 at 4:50:41 PM
Has anyone ever replaced the bottom bracket on their Raleigh DL-1? Do Sheldon's specs apply to the 28" roadster? Other than the possibility of a new chain wheel, what will be the difference in the ride?
English Girl

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Bottom bracket posted by Kurt K. on 5/29/2005 at 12:18:00 AM
All of Sheldon's advice on the new BB's (excluding the wide-axle variant required for the Twenty), should apply to the DL-1s.

The last DL-1s made in '82 and '83 may have conventional 24 t.p.i. theading in the bottom bracket though. You'll want to check before you attempt the conversion.

I wouldn't know if the ride would feel any different - personally, I find the DL-1 to be a bike simply not suited for flying down the road at fast speeds. I particularly find the steering response to be slightly slower then Sports models due to the slack headtube angles, and not suited for quick reactions - it's not too comfortable to be riding at 35 mph down the road with a big 'ol wheel slopping itself over the road where it wants.


AGE / VALUE:   BSA ROADSTER posted by: Ken on 5/26/2005 at 9:27:16 PM
Hello - a family member has recently re-discovered an old BSA Roadster bicycle which goes back at least to the 1950's (at a guess). I wondered if anyone could offer any advice as to what this bike may be worth. You can see a photo at the following link --->>> http://img80.echo.cx/img80/4126/bsaroadster2tu.jpg

Thanks in advance.