AGE / VALUE:   'South African' bikes posted by: Charl Cilliers on 5/6/2005 at 10:28:40 AM
Hi all

Just to let you know I've updated my website

On it you will find pics and descriptions of vintage bikes bought in SA. Included are Achilles, Rudge-Whitworth, BSA, Hercules and Raleigh


PS There might very well be a Triumph on the site in a few weeks time (still haggling over the selling price with the owner). Its also an "English" Roadster with rod brakes....

WANTED:   Rebuildable Pedals posted by: Jim on 5/5/2005 at 8:28:05 PM
Did anyone ever come up with a source for replacement rubber blocks for Raleigh rebuildable pedals?

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Quick question... posted by: Kurt K. on 5/4/2005 at 1:02:22 AM
Does $100 sound good for a C-7.5 1979 Rudge DL-1?

I think the answer is easy enough ;-)


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Quick question... posted by James on 5/4/2005 at 7:20:18 AM
Lucky bugger
Is this another mystery colonial Rudge?


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Quick question... posted by Kurt K. on 5/4/2005 at 1:29:55 PM
Nope...same one!

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Quick question... posted by Kurt K. on 5/5/2005 at 12:40:37 AM
Just purchased it!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Robin Hood info posted by: Drew on 5/3/2005 at 4:07:38 PM
Looking for any history and details on these machines. The one I found looks to be a 1960s vintage.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Robin Hood info posted by James on 5/3/2005 at 4:27:26 PM
The bicycle was purchased by an Arther C. Dimsbit sometime around August 3rd 1964 at Nigel Pantythorpe's "BICYCLE-SHOP," 13 the Crescent Belmont, Slough. It has 3 gears, a bent front axle, a scratched top tube and lacks the correct period tyres.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Robin Hood info posted by Dick in FL on 5/6/2005 at 4:28:36 AM
Are you by any chance the prolific and legendary contributor to Amazon book reviews who posts under the 'nom de plume' of Henry Raddick. Please answer yes and thereby disabuse those obtuse Philistines who believe that Henry Raddick is actually Prince Charles.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Robin Hood info posted by James on 5/10/2005 at 7:22:53 AM
I rather hope it is that ear heavy sop, the very idea that he takes the time to review learned sex guides is rather hilarious.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Robin Hood info posted by Chris on 5/10/2005 at 8:56:05 PM
Back in the day, people unabashedly kept and used names like Pantythorpe. They wore it on their sleeve with pride.

I'll bet the shop owner with the funky name had cycle shop full of goodies too.


AGE / VALUE:   NICE PAIR!!! posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/1/2005 at 10:24:25 AM
Opening price is high on these two.... but they are most interesting. Especially the ladies with the loop frame.

NMA of course...




Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   NICE PAIR!!! posted by Kurt K. on 5/1/2005 at 1:03:43 PM
Both have their unique points, but of most interest is the fact that both are 26" w/Sports-type frames.

The women's model is particularly curious, especially the Sports-type loop frame. Obviously post-1976, but probably a model from the '80s.

While the women's model is indeed interesting, I must say the men's model surpasses the ladies' for uniqueness.

Yes, on first glance it may appear to be simply a full-chaincased 23" Sports...but with rod brakes? It has all the basic hallmarks of a Raleigh Dawn, but it's obviously a late-70s/80's model that hasn't been seen in any known U.S. catalogue to date (to my knowledge). The rear mudguard is of one complete color, a post-'78 feature. 36/36 spoking.

May I make particular note of the Dynothree in back. Per the Rudge Tourist expidition of mine a few months back, it was found the Dynothree was made at least up to 1979, not up to the mid '70s as previously thought.

It would be of great interest to ask the seller what the date stamp on the hub is for both these bikes...

I'd put a guess that neither of these are U.S. export models - that would explain most curiosities associated with these two cycles.

Take care,


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   NICE PAIR!!! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/1/2005 at 1:26:26 PM
Ah, yes Kurt. My observation as well... these were procured elsewhere and brought to the USA by a private party.

Very nice machines... I wonder what sort of price they will command.

Will be watching these with interest.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   NICE PAIR!!! posted by Dick in FL on 5/1/2005 at 10:25:29 PM

Agree with your conjecture!! A few years ago I bought parts from one of these from a British seller. He alleged the parts were from a 1982 Superbe. I was sceptical but decided to trust him. The full chaincase came through 3 months later in perfect shape, meticulously packed, and correct for the 26" wheel frame with brazed seat stays. The color was *not* Bronze Green though. He also offered fenders with mud flaps similar to the currently listed bike.

I subsequently learned that there was a reprise offering of this "Dawn" model with rod brakes for the home market only. This 'Swan Song' ended around 1982 or 1983. (Note: The DL-1's ended in 1982.)

Dick in FL

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   NICE PAIR!!! posted by Kurt K. on 5/2/2005 at 7:52:39 PM
That other green that you mention - is it of a slightly brighter, but at the same time deeper, richer (more saturated?) green? I think I know the color.

Interesting mention of the mudflaps too - noticed it didn't appear to be an aftermarket.


   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   NICE PAIR!!! posted by Dick in FL on 5/2/2005 at 9:58:23 PM
My chaincase is the same color as the listed rod-brake Raleigh .... a brighter, deeper, richer, *non-metallic* green. Mine says "Superbe" in gold lettering in some outline font. BTW: I have worked out a non-destructive scheme with hardware improvisations for attaching these to later model Raleighs. If you are so fortunate as to acquire one, get in touch. (Or just go ahead and submit a bid on this one . If it weren't for the crating and shipping costs, I would be tempted.)

Dick in Central FL where a lovely Superbe just sold on ebay for under $130. If I weren't such a spoiled cheapskate, it could have been mine for no shipping costs .

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   NICE PAIR!!! posted by Kurt K. on 5/3/2005 at 12:50:21 AM
Yep - that's the color I was thinking of. I prefer it over Bronze Green, in fact.

Well, in my opinion, I prefer the chaincases on the Tourist models - the 21" Sports looks better with the hockey stick (and positively sharp with the '60s/'70s 'rocket' guard), although the 23" frames do look a bit spare without the chaincase.

I know of a 23" '69 Superbe in the area that I have my eye on, but it might be a while before I can persuade the gentleman to sell it.


   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: NICE PAIR!!! posted by James on 5/3/2005 at 1:48:09 AM
My theory is these are continental Raleighs, built in Holland,Denmark or germany either purchased there or purchased in the UK where they were sold as "retro" models, the regular rod brakes may have been added for the UK market - Pashley was using that set up until the early 90s(which I don't quite understand). Continental Raleighs usually had rod pulled drums.
Raleigh sports w/loop frame are still made in Denmark.
About a year ago someone had a pair of solid green Raleigh sports purchased in germany on ebay, the women's had a loop frame.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: NICE PAIR!!! posted by James on 5/3/2005 at 1:54:25 AM
The taillight on the loop frame bike and the rack mounted reflectors on both models look like dutch parts, every dutch bike I've owned has a big rectangular reflector mounted on the rack.
I do recall seeing some danish built Raleigh sports, green with chaincase for sale in the UK, I think they even had standard rod brakes, these were apparently sold by Raleigh UK some time in the 90s. So we got the Malaysian raleighs for a few years and they get the got good ones.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: NICE PAIR!!! posted by James on 5/3/2005 at 1:56:37 AM
Here's the danish loop frame Sports. Check out the other models. It makes me cry.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: NICE PAIR!!! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/3/2005 at 7:31:22 PM
Gad! I don't suppose there's a snowballs' chance in Hades that one could get one shipped here... :-S


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: NICE PAIR!!! posted by James on 5/4/2005 at 7:17:50 AM
I've never found anyone willing to sell anything danish, Azor, Gazelle and Weltrad are the only unofficial imports available as far as I know.
I've posted links to the exporters, don't remember the URLs off hand, if anyone wants them email me.