ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Paint codes posted by: adammit on 7/16/2005 at 4:28:59 AM
I'm doing some touch up on my bronze green raliegh sport (it has a non original rear fender I'd like to match up) Does anyone know what the automotive paint codes for raliegh might be or if there's a colour that matches up? (I know fender guitars match up with 50's cars)

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Paint codes posted by Kurt K. on 7/16/2005 at 2:52:02 PM
You'd probably be best off having the shop match it directly from the frame - Raleigh's bronze green color of the '70s took many shades and hues.

You'd probably be best off checking around to see if another member here has a rear fender he'll part with. Make sure that you see a photo of it (and possibly, compare the manufacture date of both bikes) to check that it's the correct shade of Bronze Green.

Take care,


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Paint codes posted by addammit on 7/17/2005 at 2:56:43 AM
well does anyone have an extra rear fender for a bronze green raliegh sports mine is a 1972.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Paint codes posted by Dick in FL on 7/18/2005 at 2:29:41 AM
I inherited a carton of NOS automotive paint rattle-cans which included the sought-after "bronze green". I think it was intended for a Ford Pinto. Needless to say, there is no longer enough charge in these cans to get more than a dribble. I suppose I could use an ice pick and transfer the paint to a Binks pot. You may be luckier in your search.

I also ran down the only place in all of Central FL with a machine and service to match a paint sample. Two problems here: (1) A chain guard did not provide sufficient flat surface to scan and (2) the minimum order was a gallon at over $100. If you have the entrepreneurial spirit, you might want to test the waters right here for how many aficionados will commit a few bucks to you to take the risk and do the work of dividing the gallon into small cans or even rattle-cans and shipping them out. In fact, let's do that right now! There are 16 8oz cans in that gallon. Who would pay $15 plus $5 shipping to have a piece of this action?

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Paint codes posted by Kurt K. on 7/18/2005 at 10:26:31 PM
I've also heard of a bronze green rattle-can marked with the Raleigh logo - one fellow on the Schwinn forum was selling it for $5.

Ford Pinto? That would explain why the '70s Bronze Green looked like diarrhea. When I restored my '73 Sports, I specifically repainted it in a much deeper, richer green with a very light metallic hint - much more fitting to the bike, if you ask me.

I don't think you'll have much luck with that Bronze Green paint project. There were simply too many different shades produced by Raleigh back in the '70s under the Bronze Green name. I've seen a '65 Superbe with an olive green hue w/a hint of metallic, a '66 Sprite with a medium olive green, a '69 Superbe in a dark olive green, and many post 1972 Sports models with a cheap, thinned-out green that looks like lizard excrement (pardon my French, but I cannot think of anything else to describe it).

Unless you can find a good deal of folks who want one of these particular hues specifically, I think you'll be hard pressed to sell 'em.

Just my two cents.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Paint codes posted by Mike on 7/23/2005 at 3:15:53 AM
Bronze green varied much by shade from bike to bike. Moreover, exposure to sunlight over the years causes it to change hue also. Fortunately, my 74 Sports has avoided the ugly bronze green look and retained a decent shine. The previous owner must've kept it away from sun and moisture.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1971 Men's Triumph posted by: Bryant on 7/15/2005 at 10:21:26 AM
Found another jewel at the thrift shop. Stopped by yesterday even though I have one bike on the stand and one in the queu. Looked at the normal line up of Huffies and Murrays and finally at the end was a nice red Triumph 3 speed. I checked it out and other than the monsterous seat that someone put on it, it looked in very good condition. Picked it up for $10. Can't wait to fix it up. Afterwards I cleaned off the SA hub and saw it was a 1971. Did Raleigh make these and just keep the marque, or was this actually made by the same people who made the cars/motorcycles?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1971 Men's Triumph posted by kim on 7/15/2005 at 12:58:25 PM
I'd like to know the relationship on Triumph 3-speeds, too. I was at an English Sports Car event recently and a number of Triumph (sports car) owners also had Triumph 3-speed bicycles.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1971 Men's Triumph posted by Matthew on 7/15/2005 at 7:56:30 PM
Truimph bicycles were a badge-engineered Raleigh, often aimed mid market with Raleigh taking the top and the bottom of the market. I don't know when they became part of the TI empire, I guess late 1950s. My Dad had a Triumph, purchased new just before I was born. I had it when my son was born and then moved on to my Dad's '83 Marlboro Gents roadster. Marlboro were handbuilt popular market bikes of comparable quality to Raleigh. Marlboro children's cycles in the late 1970s and 1980s were supremely better than the ball-bearingless machines which Raleigh expected children to learn to ride on.

Back to Triumph, my Dad's was a '62, one of the famous £15 Triumphs. Traffic wardens and policemen could get a grant for purchasing their own cycles to a set specfication, the £15 bikes were built to a price and specification to make them grant fundable. Anyone else could take advantage of the price, Dad did so. My '75 Trafficmaster was a Triumph branded 'Twenty'. My Mum's '78 Trafficmaster was built along the same frame set as a Hercules Balmoral but with poorer finish and a very whippy frame.

I think Triumphs with the chrome topped fork and a fretwork 'T'in the chrome are probably pre-raleigh. Any link to Triumph cars or motorcycles died many years before, if there was a link. The cars and motorcycles weren't linked before 1939. Cars were part of the Standard motor group and came from Coventry, bikes came from Birmingham.
They all share a name.

By the way, payback time came when I gave my Dad my '54 Superbe.

Matthew - ride on ride in majesty, on a roadster of course.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1971 Men's Triumph posted by P.C. Kohler on 7/16/2005 at 1:48:47 AM
Triumph Cycles (which included Three Spires Cycles, their budget brand) of Coventry was acquired by Raleigh in early 1954. Any connection with Triumph motorcars/motorcycles ended in 1939 when the cycle aspect was sold off to Associated Cycle Manufacturers of Coventry. With the sale of Triumph, thus passed the last big Coventry based cycle company. The other big one, Rudge-Whitworth of course, was sold to Raleigh back in 1943.

In the revised Raleigh line-up, Triumph replaced the Robin Hood brand as Raleigh budget line for the UK market. It wasn't until the early 1960s that Triumphs were shipped to export markets including the USA. I think most Triumphs one sees on eBay are even never, most dating to 1970-71 when the brand helped fill burgeoning order books during the Bike Boom.

From 1955 onwards, all Triumphs were made in Nottingham and were essentially Raleighs with various economies, a la Robin Hood. The one club bike in the range was the Triumph Torrington, itself a cheaper version of the Lenton Sports but still with the same frame etc.

Today, even the most common run-of-the-mill Triumph can attract amazing prices given the presumed and false connection with Triumph motorcycles. What one could buy for $79.98 c. 1970 is now a coveted treasure!

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1971 Men's Triumph posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/16/2005 at 3:30:05 PM
Ah! Mr. Kohler! Absolutely wonderful to see you post here again. And as always... immensely edifying.

I've often speculated... seeing the "connection" refered to many times between Triumph and Triump and Triumph... Certainly I had never even heard of such a connection myself.

The motorcyles were eventually produced by N.V.T. (Norton, Villiers, Triumph) and the automobiles were eventually a part ot the British Leyland conglomorate that was inclusive of the MG (Morris Garage, Abington on Thames) Marque.

Never had I seen reference to the Triumph velocipedes as being part and parcel.

Again... good hearing from you, sir!


Larry "Boneman" Bone


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1971 Men's Triumph posted by Jeff R on 7/16/2005 at 5:14:11 PM
My girlfriends Triumph is a 1956 model and has all the nice Raleigh fittings. Raleigh drop center rims, Raleigh branded peddals and brake levers, fender stays are the heavy brazeon style found on Raleighs. The chrome fork crown has a "T" cut in to it. The bike also has a full chaincase. This bike has all of Raleigh's high end standards. It is pictured in the Oldroads picture data base.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1971 Men's Triumph posted by P.C. Kohler on 7/17/2005 at 2:28:46 AM
These earlier Raleigh-made Triumphs are loads more distinctive than the 1970s ones as they had distinctive chainrings, fork crowns and came in a wide range of models. By the early 1970s anything that wasn't a Raleigh had the same boring standard chainring and the model choices could be counted on the fingers of one hand. Not including the thumb. And the colour choice seemed to have been limited to black and that plain old polychromatic red or blue.

P.C. Kohler


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1971 Men's Triumph posted by Matthew on 7/17/2005 at 8:52:24 AM
Thank you P.C. I thought I was on the right lines. All the changes happened before I was on the planet and I have always understood the separate parts of Triumph to be just that. The Last Triumph branded car was the awful Acclaim (Honda Ballad)with no style and an unwillingness to die. They are very rare now most went to scrap when elderly owners died and no one would buy them. The were definately the 'retired cruiser'.

But this isn't cycling! Great to know you are alive and well and still a fount of knowledge.

Matthew - onward and upward.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1971 Men's Triumph posted by Mack on 7/24/2005 at 3:20:37 AM
What markings should I look for on my Triumph bicycle in order to determine how old it is? Thanks.

AGE / VALUE:   robin hood 9740 CE posted by: chat on 7/15/2005 at 7:33:29 AM
Would anybody please let me know the production year of Robin Hood - series no. 9740 CE ?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   robin hood 9740 CE posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 7/16/2005 at 5:42:22 PM
I can't tell offhand... but if the bike has a Sturmey-Archer 3-Speed rear hub, there should be a date stamp on it that would be indicative of year of manufacture (providing of course, it's original equipment).

Hope that helps!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1950 Clubman posted by: brandon davis on 7/14/2005 at 7:00:27 PM
So *this* is where y'all been hanging out since rollbritannia, eh?

Here: http://tinyurl.com/bxv99

Looks like the real thing ...figured someone will likely be interested.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1950 Clubman posted by Bryan on 7/15/2005 at 4:28:38 AM
Hey, cool the way you put that "tiny URL" in instead of the way long ebay url. Don't understand how its done, but cool.

Bryan in CT

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: 1950 Clubman posted by brandon davis on 7/15/2005 at 5:18:06 AM
Bryan -

Go to http://www.tinyurl.com ...there's directions there for adding a button to IE. From that point, you too can use "tinyurls" in posts.

It's even easier with Firefox (there's a tinyurl extension, and - once added - you just right click on a page you want to immortalize, and choose from the menu). But than, almost everything's easier with Firefox.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: 1950 Clubman posted by t on 7/21/2005 at 2:04:06 AM
I really wanted that bike.. ended up going more than i was willing to part with.. + the 20 dollar gouge for "boxing" and 40 + for shipping seemed like pretty lame way to make a few extra dollars.. I was my wallet was bigger.. i would love to own a real club bike. any one have one for sale :)

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   pashley sovereign posted by: Bryan on 7/14/2005 at 1:06:25 AM
Hi folks,
If you are interested in English Roadster of more recent vintage, I currently have a Pashley Sovereign on ebay, listing below, (hope this is not inappropriate here)