ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rare birds posted by: nat on 8/15/2005 at 4:53:16 AM


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rare birds posted by nat on 8/15/2005 at 5:01:04 AM


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rare birds posted by nat on 8/15/2005 at 5:02:06 AM


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rare birds posted by Chris on 8/15/2005 at 7:39:38 PM
We never did find out how the Heron bird was chosen to be Raeleigh's symbol.

It's a bit of history lost in the mist.

WANTED:   One black gear cable... posted by: Kurt K. on 8/14/2005 at 8:37:22 PM
...for a ladies' 1975 Sports, 21" frame size. Need the quarter-housing type cable used with the fulcrum and pulley.

Email me if you have something at cudak888@aol.com.


   RE:WANTED:   One black gear cable... posted by Kurt K. on 8/14/2005 at 8:42:28 PM
P.S.: Must also be original Raleigh ribbed housing.

AGE / VALUE:   Tell me one thing when you visit me in the past: e- bay! posted by: Chris on 8/14/2005 at 2:08:02 AM
I'm sorry, but I have to say this.

Had I known there would be a thing like e- bay in the future. Had I saved things and not sold or traded them away. Had I kept myself into the Raleigh Choppers and not gone off into rod brake 28 inch wheel Tourist D.L.1.- land instead.

Had I squirreled away everything and altered my collecting...

The money would have been fantastic!

I have, and still do, done this for the pure fun of it.

Had I ever dreamed about e- bay I could have ridden this all the way to the bank. The great moments, could have been better.

Who would have known?
Now it's too late, well, I keep trying.
Having fun but it's sickening to see what things fetch.

Oh, well.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Tell me one thing when you visit me in the past: e- bay! posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/14/2005 at 11:16:31 AM
No kiddin' Chris. To each his own... but when I was a kid, the Schwinn Stingray, while nice enough, weighed a TON.

Yeah... who know the BIG bucks would be the "Musclebikes" that while fun, certainly don't have the "Class" of a british Roadster.

And yes.... the prices these things command on Ebay.... Tellya what, I cruise garage sales looking for the olde "Muscle".... cuz I KNOW the would be worth snapping up.

Alas though.... think about it... the velocipedes we prefer and treasure.... Still turn up at fair prices.

Though, and it does comfort me some, prices that Sports, etc. are commanding on Ebay... ARE on the rise. Saw one this AM bidded up to $277... that would indicate... I don't know.... a rise in DEMAND?


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Tell me one thing when you visit me in the past: e- bay! posted by Matthew on 8/14/2005 at 8:30:25 PM
Hi Chaps,

I have given away bikes which would have made me money eBay. I have also bought bikes at local sales and loved them for years then sold them on eBay but it wasn't my intention or acheivement to be rich via eBay. On the diverse subject of Choppers. How convenient the memory is, all the born again chopperists have forgotten the bad press given to the chopper over safety concerns about the design. Lads were seriously injured on the trendy gearchange lever and the Chopper sprint was hideous and unsafe. It was taller than standard and had dropped handlebars not recommended. I expect that they could say we romanticise about or Roadsters but they are safety cycles, not an accolade appropriate for the chopper.

Matthew - never had a chopper.

MISC:   Cancellation of Boston Swap Meet posted by: Peter Naiman on 8/12/2005 at 8:34:23 PM
I'm posting the note for good friend Jason Cloutier with regard to the afformentioned Boston Swap Meet.

Thank you, Peter Naiman
The organizer of the Boston Swap Meet at Hibernian Hall, 151 Watertown Street., Watertown, MA has cancelled the plaaned swap since there were not sufficient pre-registered sellers to cover costs, she cannot afford to go ahead with the event. I know that there are some out-of-town people who were planning on travelling to Boston for the weekend to attend both the swap meet and the Larz show. Rather than abandon the swap meet, I would like to try to make it happen.

Since the efforts to resurrect the Boston Bike Swap
have failed, I am inviting anybody that is interested
to stop by for a bicycle yard sale this weekend here
at my house. I should be available both Saturday and
Sunday. I have the inventory of two closed bike shops
and an accululation of stuff collected during the 16
years that I have lived here. The swap meet will be for CR and Bob List members only.

I live in the northeast corner of Rhode Island, only 1
mile from I-95. Please contact me off-list for

Jason Cloutier
Pawtucket, RI
Contact Email: velo59@yahoo.com


   RE:MISC: Cancellation of Boston Swap Meet posted by paul on 8/12/2005 at 10:40:51 PM
I am an avid fan of Bicyle swap meets and have attended many from Swansea, Watertown, Somerville, Palmer, Monson, Trexlertown, Copake, and LarzAnderson. I live on the South Shore. Someone who is north of Boston may wish to look into the RC church in Revere that has flea markets every Saturday. A bike show there twice a year might prove to be an inexpensive venue and would draw the general public as well as bicycle people. It would enhance the existing flea and be a place for us to have a twice a year show. The church is off RT 60 near RT 107 with a large parking lot ideal for a Saturday 8 to 1pm show similar to what we had "under the bridge" near Schraffts in Somerville. Just my 2 cents worth. Since I do not know/ and or belong to what CR and/ or BOB's List is, I guess I won't be going to RI yard sale, tomorrow.....paul

   RE:RE:MISC: Cancellation of Boston Swap Meet posted by Kurt K. on 8/13/2005 at 12:57:01 AM
Have no idea as to what "CR" is, but "BOBs" stand for "Bridgestone Owner's Bunch."


MISC:   20" Tyres posted by: Lawrence on 8/12/2005 at 5:09:00 PM
Does anyone have experience with replacing tyres for Raleigh 20" bikes in the USA? Would I have to get them from the UK or is there a source in the USA? I took a butchers at Harris Cyclery's website but it doesn't appear to specifically address the Raleigh 20." Are other 20" tyres compatible?

   RE:MISC:   20 posted by Lawrence on 8/12/2005 at 5:23:50 PM
OK, I took a closer look on Sheldon Brown's articles at Harris and it does appear tyres are available from them. I'd still welcome any thoughts on tyres for this bike as I may have the opportunity to work on one for a colleague. The machine in question is a folder with a 3 speed twist shift. My third bike was a Triumph Twenty which took me many pleasant miles through the English countryside when I was in boarding school back in the 60's. (Willow warblers, chiff-chaffs, stonechats, red fox, hares, rabbits and so on--no bitterns though!)

   RE:RE:MISC:   20 posted by Kurt K. on 8/12/2005 at 6:24:29 PM
Tyres for the Twenty are rather easy to come by in the standard American 20"/406mm size. You can't use any size wider then 20X1.75 for this size due to the stay and fork clearance. My personal preference in terms of tyres are Kenda's whitewall (the coffee, white and blue colors look superbe with WWs) smooth tread 20X1.75s. Not all shops carry these, you might have to have them ordered.

As for the English 20 X 1-3/8"/451mm size, you'll probably be stuck with blackwalls. I think Duro might make this size in WW, but I'd have to check.


   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   20 posted by edgarecks on 8/13/2005 at 4:10:32 AM
I have 10 year old Duros on my Raleigh Twenty (406) and they're still OK.

   RE:MISC:   20 posted by Dick in FL on 8/13/2005 at 5:32:01 AM
I mounted a 20 x 1.9/2.1 on the back of my Twenty. *Very* tight fit. Wish I had taken the time to find a 1.75"

BTW: I am running a Persons siren off my front wheel. Has anyone else ever tried this on a Twenty? It was necessary to mount it leading on the left side.

   RE:RE:MISC:   20 posted by Kurt K. on 8/13/2005 at 1:02:26 PM
I can imagine how tight the fit is.

There's no doubt in my mind that the 20X1.9/2.1 would not fit between the front fork legs - the 20X1.75 whitewall Kendas I run have only 3mm clearance on each side of the fork.

Incedentally, on the subject of clearance and Raleigh Twentys - only small brake pads (such as the red/grey Weinmanns, the latter being the type that came with these bikes) fit the calipers.

Don't try fitting the larger Sports-type pads to it - they won't fit. I almost made this mistake when I bought two pairs of big Dia-Compe brake pads.

P.S.: Whitewalls, white cables and white brake pads have a very nice complementary appearance to them.


   RE:MISC:   20 posted by Matthew on 8/13/2005 at 3:01:48 PM
I ran a Dunlop grass track tyre on the rear of my Triumph Trafficmaster (20" wheels) for years. It was brilliant, stacks of grip on road and rough. I don't think I'd want to try 1.9 X 20 tyres in the forks of a Twenty, 1.5 would be max. However I do recall that later or latter models had wider forks and probably 1.75 tyres. These were the very last of the Twenties produced in white paint with whitewall tyres. There were or had been Sixteens and Biancas thus equipped too. The Bianca was aimed at young ladies but was a heavy and unattractive model when compared (by teenage girls) to a 'proper' MTB with more gears.

Sadly, like muscle cars or MGs strangled by emmission control and huge bumpers, the Twenty, which started out to provide a cheaper alternative to the Moulton, and less unconventional than the RSW (lets have a cheer for the RSW!!!!) The Twenty became a dowdy overweight shadow of its former self.

How's this for a rare sight, no Bittern but.....whilst whizzing along an East Anglian dual carriage way in our 4X4 we came a cross a chap on a brown Raliegh Twenty pulling out onto the dual carriageway from a slip road. All the more surprising as he is usually on board an RSW or a Moulton. Obviously a man of taste and style.

Matthew - all twentied out!

   RE:RE:MISC:   20 posted by Chris on 8/14/2005 at 2:02:34 AM
Tires can make ALL the difference. I had a set of high performance B.M.X. knobby tires and it was a special rubber or something like that the tires were 60 or 80.00 per tire and I got them really cheaply and just to be weird I threw them on my Raleigh Twenty.

The bike came alive!

Kids at the shop that I met after these tires became impossible to find acted funny.

I heard: "Where did YOU find those?"
"How did YOU get a set?"
And, "Get those awesome tires off of that piece of junk." First they critize my bike then they wanted me to sell them those tires. They would ask the owner to find a set for them and he replied that it was impossible that suppliers and sources had dried up and I was sitting on 14 sets of them after buying everybody out in my area.

Oh, those kids hated me. An outsider, and I was old and into old Raleigh's that nobody understood or cared about and here I was stealing their tires!
It got ugly! I was bothered, they got after me. I ticked off the die hard B.M.X. crowd. We kept my bikes out of the shop and I laid low.
"Chris, man! They wanna tear your bike apart and take your tires. Wish I never sold them to you."
I could have made a fortune re- selling those tires! I rode them all, the shelf life was not like a regular tire, they deteoriated really fast dried out.
Hee Hee.
Yup, made the 20 fly. Now I'm out of these, and can't remember what they were!
I may have one set left.....
Can't remember the name!
I dunno. My mind is frazzled right now.

Yes, tires DO make all the difference.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   20 posted by Chris on 8/14/2005 at 2:07:10 AM
Playing with different tires and rims and tweeking this and that squeezing this tire onto this rim. The cooidinces, weird things I have done.

Lots of fun.

   RE:MISC:   20 posted by nat on 8/15/2005 at 7:23:59 AM
I recommend you have a look at the bike friday website - they stock 34 different 20 inch tyres not all will fit your needs & they might be pricey but for selection....