AGE / VALUE:   NICE! posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/22/2005 at 12:55:57 AM
And he'll even post it internationally!

NMA.... etc.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Advice posted by: Jeff on 9/21/2005 at 6:20:11 PM
I am rebuilding a Phillips/Ranger. I don't have the original hub so don't know the exact age. The frame and fenders are quite rough, paint wise. I just want to ride it and can't do a real restoration. Do I just clean up the paint best I can to save the decals, or repaint?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Advice posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/21/2005 at 6:29:31 PM
Well... the olde "Rule of Thumb" is of course... "It's only ORIGINAL once!"

If it were my deal, I would clean it up as best as possible, dis-assemble, clean and re-pack all the bearings, etc.

Since this is a "daily rider", that may suffice. If you're looking for a nice restoration project, keep your eyes open locally for castoff bikes at the curbside... or check out local thrift shops for them too.

Doing a thorough cleanup, while tedious, is far easier than dis-assembling, stripping and re-painting.

Best of luck with the new ride!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Advice posted by Mike on 9/22/2005 at 6:28:40 PM
It's your bike it's really your choice ultimately. I tend to think if it's got a real sentimental attachment and you want it looking pristine again and don't care about "original collectible value" repaint it. I mean if it's a really pristine vintage bike you're after and don't mind killing the collectible value repaint works fine. If you are a value buff or a hardcore collector type then the original paint is worth more to you I would say.

MISC:   Odd forks and front hub on Triumph? posted by: Joe M on 9/21/2005 at 4:55:15 AM
Picked up another one today! This one is a dark red Triumph, 23" frame, very similar to my Robin Hood. It's all in pieces, but looks to be pretty much all there except for a saddle and pedals. It was out for the trash, at least headed that way, I rode by, and the owner was carrying it out piece by piece, not more than a mile from my house. The guy who had it said his son took it apart years ago and couldn't put it back together and he was tired of moving it in the garage. I attached as many parts as I could to the frame by hand, stuffed the small parts in my pockets and strapped the rest anywhere I could, and rode home with the frame over my shoulder and both hands full. The owner told me he'd let me know if he found anything else!
The odd part is the front forks? I at first thought they were crushed together, but after seeing the wheel, I realized that the front hub was only about 3" wide?
I have never run acrossed this before? It's got Dunlop rims, and the hub says only "Made In England".
The rear hub is a run of the mill 1965 S/A AW.
The paint is pretty nice, with the normal chips and scratches, but still very shiny. The bars are alloy North Road style with the Made in England on one end, white grips and no sign of any decals, just the Triumph headbadge and a Made In England script on the top tube.

Other than the forks, it looks a lot like my '66 Robin hood frame wise. The brakes are Mafac, a centerpull version I have never seen before, which clear the fenders like they were made for the bike? The brake levers are long, alloy Mafac's as well. The Chainguard looks normal with only a "Triumph" decal on it. It's got the same twin leg center stand as my Robin Hood as well.
Has anyone seen one of these hubs or narrow forks before?

It's truly amazing what some people consider trash!


   RE:MISC:   Odd forks and front hub on Triumph? posted by Matthew on 9/21/2005 at 8:26:15 AM
Hi Joe,
Yes. I came across a small framed (18" maybe) Raliegh ladies sports with dropped handlebars and derailieur gears which was running on 26 X 1.25 Dunlop rims and because it had some wheel trouble and was a cycle I was 'moving on' I wanted to put an alternative wheel in. No chance! the forks were way to narrow and it would have taken serious damage to get another wheel between the blades - I gave up & resorted to the local cycle shop for help. It cost me a fortune to replace the wheel and the bike made nothing at auction. You can't win them all.

Matthew - on the straight and narrow.

   RE:MISC:   Odd forks and front hub on Triumph? posted by Joe M on 9/22/2005 at 3:40:05 PM
After reading your post, I am wondering now if this was originally an upright sports model or a 'club' type bike?
The rims are regular 26x1 3/8" Dunlop, the same as what's on my Robin Hood, with only a different front hub. The front hub has a broken axle, but the axle looks like a shorter version of the standard Raleigh fixed cone type. I should be able to either shorten an existing axle or find something that will work.
The oddest part is why would they build such a narrow hub wheel? I would think that it would detract from the overall wheel strength? The rest of the frame is normal looking, it's even of decent size, seat tube c-c measures 23.5". It's a bit small for me, but still ridable.
If I determine that these are not the original rims, I do have a set of older 26x1 1/4" rims that would work, but they use the EA-1 sized tires.
Assuming that the wheel set is not original, what are the chances of this being older than 1965?
I didn't think that the EA-1 rims were still around that late? The paint is dark red metalic, with a little hint of burgundy to it, the paint looks to modern to me, even for 1965. On the other hand, it may be a total mix pf parts?
The front wheel does have different spoke nipples, just a bit longer than the usuall Sturmey Archer ones, so the wheels may have been a transplant either to be able to use a more common tire, or due to damage. The fork width would have forced them to reuse the front hub. If it wasn't for the front fork width, I would have never given it a second thought, and assumed it was just another Raleigh built sub brand bike.
I also noticed that even with the B.B. and forks installed, it's noticably lighter than a similar bare Robin Hood frame I have here?
Does anyone have any model info on Triumoh branded bikes?
I am curious as to what this was called, or what it was originally? I can picture it being a club type bike, but the fenders match and the Mafac calipers look like they were made to clear the fenders, the calipers look like a wider and longer version or the Competition caliper, They are much smoother than the Racer calipers. The centerpull cable hangers also say Mafac, the rear attches to the seat clamp bolt, and the front under the headset nut, in place of the usuall headlamp bracket.
If it was set up as a road bike, I would think that it would not have that heavy twin leg kickstand?

MISC:   full suspension 1905? CCM posted by: Warren on 9/21/2005 at 3:16:43 AM
Have a look at this one. There are no new ideas when it comes to bikes. I love the stem.

Ebay item 6563110257

   RE:MISC:   full suspension 1905? CCM posted by Tom on 9/22/2005 at 4:40:12 AM
That is a nice bike and very rare. My guess it will go to Regina. There is a few in the collection already.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Amidst these eBay prices, there's still great finds awaiting you at the kerb! posted by: Kurt K. on 9/21/2005 at 1:14:38 AM
I don't think anyone can complain after finding a little gem like this, simply thrown out on the kerb for the trash pickup:

I haven't done anything to it save for waxing and polishing it in that photo. Other then a pair of rusty rims and handlebars, it cleaned up remarkably well.

And here's the sad part: It was thrown out simply because the left-hand cotter pin loosened up, causing the crankarm to clunk around on the axle. Just because of that, this beautiful machine could have found itself compacted in a trash truck heading a waste dump. Tsk, tsk.

Take care,


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Amidst these eBay prices, there's still great finds awaiting you at the kerb posted by Kurt K. on 9/21/2005 at 1:26:19 AM
P.S.: Brand new whitewall (yes, whitewall) 27" tyres await this bike in the shed.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Amidst these eBay prices, there's still great finds awaiting you at the kerb posted by Matthew on 9/21/2005 at 8:18:37 AM
Keep hunting folks, they are out there, we just have to make contact!
Hooray for Kurt, another brilliant find (literally).

Matthew - off to search through skips!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Amidst these eBay prices, there's still great finds awaiting you at the k posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 9/21/2005 at 9:34:12 AM
>P.S.: Brand new whitewall (yes, whitewall) 27" tyres await this bike in the shed.

Excellent! I've a nice brand new set of the same... one is already mounted to the front wheel of my Sprite.... the rear wheel is next... as soon as I'm done cleaning it up and re-packing the bearings.

Should look awesome!

With your recent run of luck finding things.... you may wanna wipe your feet, sir! ;-)


Larry "Boneman" Bone