AGE / VALUE:   spoke length posted by: jason on 10/16/2006 at 3:31:41 PM
trying to find out what length spoke to order to lace three speed SA's into twenty seven inch wheels and twenty six inch alloy, making club type bikes and replacing steel wheels on my sports. local bike shops do not want to mess with figuring this out. its less a problem for the twenty six, they should be the same, shouldn't they? I know there is a formula for figuring this out, but are there any tips on this? jason

   RE:AGE / VALUE: spoke length posted by Neal on 10/16/2006 at 4:14:56 PM
Several spoke-length calculator links are at


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   spoke length posted by Stewart on 10/17/2006 at 6:01:08 AM
The best spoke calculator is at, the spoke manufacturer. I used it for this very task.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: spoke length posted by Warren on 10/17/2006 at 9:55:22 AM
Be careful about assuming that 26 inch wheels are the same...they aren't. I'll send you a Raleigh/SA spoke length must remember that your alloy 26" wheels require exact measurement to determine the proper spoke length. Sutherlands Handbook explains the process in detail.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   spoke length posted by David on 10/17/2006 at 3:21:52 PM
There's an Excel spreadsheet spoke calculator at that has a great number of hub and rim measurements built in.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   spoke length posted by jason on 10/17/2006 at 7:16:13 PM
thanks everyone for the response
the very first wheel I did was an old mavic twenty seven inch in a lejune, used the old spokes and did a three cross pattern with the SA and it fit perfectly. I had no idea and none of the right tools, and have since redone this wheel.(better dish and tension) this is my charity ride bike, and no problems. now I have the tools and tons of parts new and old to play with, so thought I should start learning how to do it right. thats the way I have approached this whole bike thing. take it apart, clean and reasemble, then get interested enough to get a book on it. json


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Tandem posted by: Tom on 10/14/2006 at 7:11:39 AM
This a nice old Raleigh tandem. I like the chainguards.

MISC:   Electra Amsterdam posted by: Jeff Bikeguy on 10/13/2006 at 7:40:00 PM
Has anybody seen one yet? Looks like fun...

AGE / VALUE:   Who you know makes the difference posted by: Chris on 10/12/2006 at 3:45:21 PM
I had gone through a shop and was looking for and asking about old British bicycles. The fellow said he had nothing and unless there was something else I wanted that he could help me with then, "Have a good afternoon"
Well, I had a distributor friend and I said I struck out with so and so. He listened and shook his head.
Then he called the guy and said.
"He's a good kid, really loves this stuff. Why don't you take him upstairs and show him what cha got?"
I got there the next day. Invited over at 2 p.m.
Oh, so know Ron? How do you know Ron? Yeah?
Ron said youre ok. How long ya been collecting British bikes?
Come with me," he grinned.

Upstairs over that shop ultra modern shop filled with todays inventory most of which I don't care for was yesterday's (and days before) goodies. I got the grande tour. He had a friend who had died and they had a contest to see who could acquire the largest collection. I got the impression that if you went in there with a nice old rare bike that he'd trade it and give you so much off the new bike they were about to sell you and that he would stash the bikes away. He had a lot. I do not remember what all I bought from that time.
As we left he turned out the lights and we were never there.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Who you know makes the difference posted by on 10/13/2006 at 4:18:11 PM
Sure sounds a lot like Martin's Bicycle Shop in Hinkletown, PA right outside of Ephrata! Am I correct?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Who you know makes the difference posted by Jeff Bikeguy on 10/13/2006 at 7:28:58 PM
Hey! I've been to Martin's. He had quite a museum there at one time. Is it still there?

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Who you know makes the difference posted by Ed on 10/19/2006 at 5:16:24 AM
I shop at Rick cycle 743 Main Buffalo, NY same location from 1916. The staff is knowledgeable in old English bicycles. They deal in some used bicycles. It will be worth the trip. Back in time that is. Ed

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Who you know makes the difference posted by Matthew on 10/21/2006 at 10:20:40 AM
NOt boasting at all but my nearest 'good' cycle shop started in 1896. Still with the same family, excellent service and knowledge that you just can't buy.

Matthew - made in England.

AGE / VALUE:   Garage sales/ Estate sales. You have to specifically ask posted by: Chris on 10/12/2006 at 11:38:07 AM
At the garage sales and Estate sales if you do not see any bikes but before you leave you have to specifically ask them.
Say this: "Do you have any bikes that might be for sale?"
and "I am looking for old bicycles" Might be? HMMMMMM? Get them thinking. They may have it in the basement, behind the sheet they put up in the garage, in the shed, or as in my cases their best friend who is sitting there at the table with her eating coffee cake and sipping starbucks has an old bike that belonged to her son who is away and yes, she'll sell it. This happens to me a lot. Another thing. People are embarrased to put out that old, rusty bike covered in cobwebs and that dirty bicycle chain and they have the old bike in the back heading for the trash dumpster. You have to ask. Instill confidence. Yes, You can do it! You can offer me that old bike. and I was persistant and the church rummage sale lady confessed with eyes on the ground. " Well, we do have this one old bike that I was not going to mention, and I did not put it out and well,....... it a Phillips from England. Ever hear of that? Oh you don't want that. We were going to throw it out. It might not be safe to ride." I smiled and remarked that this was exactly what I come to the rummage sales for! I got it for $5.00. Safe to ride, yes. Also you have to be nosey and venture into the garages just a wee bit and look at the bike and specifically ask knowing full well, that it was not put out in the sale because the thing hanging up just might be a vintage: The Flying Scot! You'll have to wait until the wife is out of the shower and has dry hair and is prepared to meet with you. She's a 76 year old former 6 day racer. You want to see her scrapbook and listen to the stories and get leads because her old trackmates may still have their bikes. And parts.
You will have folks say: Oh yes, I have a bike but we did not put it out. Or.... her pal Marge who is sitting there visiting because they are friends and neighbors and she will stop chewing and say: "What kind of bikes are you looking for?" and there will be leads and found bikes and you'll get results. They will take your number. Get theirs and call them! If you just give out your number they will never call you.
Also be prepared for hearing things like:
"Oh, yes we had a couple of old Schwinns with the big tires but you missed it a few minutes ago" or "We sold a bike or a pair of bikes yesterday. "You should have been here yesterday as yesterday was the first day of the sale."
So........ Don't be a nitwit as I have been. You get there the first day of the sale and be there before they open up and be prepared with adaquate funds and you ask.
Also be prepared to deal with situations like: "It's an antique and I want $2,200.00 for this bike and a lot of: "It's not for sale." answers.

"I'll have to ask my husband" I hate that answer. I prefer it when they act decisive as a liberated lady should be! The men tend to tell them terrible things like. "No"
If they want to wait, I call their bluff and say "Let's call him." You still throw your offer out there if they say no. Get them thinking what that extra amount of cash could buy them.
Prada shoes? money towards Prada shoes?
You will see 20 year old's tell you:
"No way! My dad toured five states on this bike! He'd kill me if I sold this!"

It's a numbers game. You just keep at it. Also did you look it over well enough before you did pay for it?
Tell me that front fork is not not bent. Did you check? Are all the parts original? If this is a 1960's musclebike say a Raleigh Chopper or Stingray with the disc brakes. You act like it's just a common, semi worthless old bike.You are only buying if because your brother had one as a child and even though you two don't get along you want to give it to him as a gift. Never, ever , never under any circumstances say that dreaded E- word. or the I- word and try to get the blazes out of there before somebody does. The e- word is: E- bay and the I word is: Internet. They'll be checking typing in the words. "Schwinn Grey Ghost" and then you may as well forget it and go have lunch. Be in a hurry. The better the bike the bigger the hurry you are in.

Do not smile, go into shock, lose the ability to speak just make the sale and leave. When I went to the A.T.M. the thing sold! They had it held for me but were afraid I would not come back and they wanted to sell it. You can hoot and hollar when you are pulling into your driveway at home. I do not care how big the haul is or how much money you'll make re- selling this you just play it cool and detached. That wharehouse is full of worthless old junk that you will have to spend days cleaning all this old junk out and it's just going straight to the dump. I'll clean all this jumk out of your barn or garage, shed or whatever for.........$$$ and make it a attractive, low amount. "Collectable? That old thing? It's too heavy to ride! Today's bikes are lightweight"

Ok. Now get back into the field!

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Garage sales/ Estate sales. You have to specifically ask posted by Ed on 10/12/2006 at 4:16:16 PM
True to life! Very good article. My wife does better than me at that game. She finds the best and most profitable bicycles. A big van is a useful tool. Garage sales and Picking is a beautyful thing. Ed

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Garage sales/ Estate sales. You have to specifically ask posted by Ben in Chicago on 11/1/2006 at 7:48:33 AM
A friend of mine did this and found a factory built Schwinn Crate Tandem....