ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    N.G.N. SERIES RALEIGH BICYCLE CYCLE LOCK KEYS MADE Missing your cyclelock key? posted by: Chris on 12/28/2006 at 12:35:24 PM
Send your cycle lock number shown on the face of the Raleigh bicycle fork lock for a replacement key.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    N.G.N. SERIES RALEIGH BICYCLE CYCLE LOCK KEYS MADE Missing your cyclelock k posted by Chris on 12/28/2006 at 12:43:13 PM
This is for the Raleigh Superbes and other Raleigh's that used the N.G.N. series only. There was another earlier series that I do not have and also, I do not have anything for Schwinn locks.


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    N.G.N. SERIES RALEIGH BICYCLE CYCLE LOCK KEYS MADE Missing your cycleloc posted by Tom on 12/28/2006 at 7:36:48 PM
Do you have any keys for a 1952 Rudge. Where do I find the number on the lock. Do I have to take it out of the frame to find it.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:    N.G.N. SERIES RALEIGH BICYCLE CYCLE LOCK KEYS MADE Missing your cycle posted by Chris on 12/29/2006 at 11:43:56 AM
Take a look at the fork lock itself where you insert the key. there will be a number on the face of it. faintly, but it will be there. it'll say N.G.N. (something) on it.
e- mail your address and the number to me at

MISC:   Other "Anachronisms" you favour? posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/26/2006 at 3:52:07 PM
Whilst I know we're all huge fans of sheffield steel here, I daresay the objects of our affections meet the qualifications of anachronisms.

Just wondering if anyone else favoured such things that would be considered in a similar light. Such as I for one, having a nearly obsessive affinity for Fountain Pens.

I own many of them... and abhor ballpoints.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:MISC:   Other posted by Matthew on 12/27/2006 at 6:11:06 AM
Hi Larry,

I'm a great lover of tractors (elderly and British), The Norfolk Broads (where I live), Norfolk and Norwich and the Norfolk dialect. My Book cases reflect these interests. I can bore people rigid for hours on end about my County or County Tractors.

I'm also a Christian which is fats becoming an anachronism these days BUT I think we agreed to keep faith, religion and politics off these pages so please excuse my last remark if it offended anyone.

Matthew - musing on a day off.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Other posted by Ward Davis on 12/27/2006 at 9:51:48 AM
Lucky you! Living in the land of english bikes AND C.S. Lewis. I'll take that kind of anachronism anytime!

   RE:MISC:   Other posted by Edward in Vancouver on 12/27/2006 at 5:39:17 PM
Tools, particularly hand tools for woodworking like planes and chisels.
Something very satisfying about using these tools, aquiring them, tuning them and sharpening them, that has no comparison to the whine and dust of thier electric counterparts.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Other posted by paul on 12/27/2006 at 6:08:46 PM
My hobbies are vintage English bicycles, old adjustable bicycle wrenches also called spanners, pocket wrenches or machinists' wrenches..especially those made in Massachusetts. I also collect and use manual film cameras. The bottom line for me seems to be high build quality, precision tools be they bicycles, machinists'/ mechanics' tools, and well made mechanical photo equipment.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Other posted by Chris on 12/28/2006 at 1:08:04 PM
There were so many different kinds, types and makers of cycle spaners that you are guarenteed a lifetime of collecting and when you are old and have these all framed in finely made wooden cases for display you won't have found them all even so.
Collecting cycle spanners is popular in this world of vintage bicycles. Your family may think that you were kinda weird or eccentric but the important thing is that a decent price is given for your collection. It is not easy to gather all these together. Just the other day I was reading a vintage bike book and there was one that I did not have and I set it down and shook my head upset that I did not have that tool in my collection. Collecting vintage bicycle tools, the literature and then the artwork as well as vintage bicycle parts boxes is interesting.

It gets ahold of you like cigarette smoking or drinking. My friend is looking for the box of cigarettes he sent away for and he gets figety when he needs a smoke and I'm that way with old cycle tools and spanners and N.O.S. parts.

I pulled out an old catalog book and said to this one guy. Well, bet you don't have this or that and what about this? I have been looking for this one tool forever! He calmly told me that he did have it and after he asked me where I found the book he sold me a lot of old tools. I let him drive me to the bank and I remember the money laid on the glass counter and my thirst for old bicycle tools was about quenched forever. This took many years before I found somebody who had it to sell at all. Not only did he have it but to my shock, he sold it, and to me.
Still, there are more bicycle tools to be collected. Like smoking or drinking you just have to tear yourself away from it and go cold turkey.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Other posted by Chris on 12/28/2006 at 1:10:16 PM
So often the tools were never for sale and it drove me batty

AGE / VALUE:   three speed club bikes posted by: jason on 12/25/2006 at 6:45:32 PM
figure that you english type chaps may know more about this than anyone,

I have been making club type bikes(27 rim with aw hubs).
generaly I use drop bars, but saw a picture of a bike with reversed mustache handle bars. was this common?
what kind of grips would be used on this?
Isaw another picture of a lenton and it had the trigger mounted right under the brake lever on a drop bar. was this right? I have found that mounting the trigger right above the rear brake, upside down and backward so that low gear is pulling up on the trigger works pretty well.

also, I got sick of those replacement sturmey archer barrels, with the bolt and that delicate hoop, so I machined some mild steel crimps that fit into a barrel, much cleaner looking and stronger. do they sell crimps any where or should I make a bunch? anyone have a solution they use?

has anyone ever chucked up a sa sprocket and lathed it down to fit a narrow chain?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   three speed club bikes posted by Matthew on 12/26/2006 at 3:48:36 AM
Hi Jason,

I think the 'bars that you have seen are North Road Bends. They are typical of pre-WW2 and early 1950's club or fast touring bikes. They do look the 'business'. I had a BSA Gold Vase of about 1935 with these 'bars and they are just the right thing.

Machining an SA sprocket to take a narrow chain; I wouldn't use a lathe as I think you find the sprocket a little hard to turn down but it will certainly grind down using an appropriate grinding set up. (like a surface grinder) On the other hand will the pitch of a narrow chain match the pitch of standard roadster chain?

Matthew - back from a Boxing Day blast on my trade bike.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   three speed club bikes posted by Matthew on 12/26/2006 at 4:07:13 AM
Have a look at.....
eBay item 190064167507

Looks like the right sort of thing.

Matthew - eBay on Boxing day!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   three speed club bikes posted by jason on 12/26/2006 at 5:34:01 AM
thanks matthew

yes I do like those bars, I have a lot like that from a pile of moto parts, but alloy.

the next project will use the north road bars in the drop position, I like them this way but thought I was sort of wearing my cap backwards if you will. never knew that it was meant to work.

I never thought of the pitch. oh well, I do have access to a milling machine. I may make my own.

just finished a bike, metalic silver with gold pinstriping, all chrome and black cable housing. even the family concedes that this one looks nice, and boy are they tired of bikes. white cloth bar tape, I must be nuts. cant wait to ride it with the carbon fiber geeks this week, with a 52 tooth front I can keep up with them pretty well, and don't I just love down shifting while sitting there at the light like its nothing as everyone else caught up short trys to work thier gears out.
its the little things. jason


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   three speed club bikes posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/26/2006 at 3:51:51 PM
"Carbon Fibre Geeks".... I love it. Add it to the English Roadster "Glossary", eh?

Sounds like a nice machine for certain. Best of luck with it. As to milling your own sprockets.... wow.... that's taking things an order of magnitude further than I would, for certain.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   three speed club bikes posted by Edward in Vancouver on 12/27/2006 at 8:32:00 AM
In regards to S/A cables, I make my own. I use regular gear cable and brass tubing, the kind you find at hobby stores. Take a piece of cable with you to the hobby store and find the brass tube that just slides over the gear cable. Then it's just a matter of crimping on the tube. I run two FG's with these type cables and the 4 spd puts considerable more stress on the cable than a AW, no problems.

For sprockets, I like to tear apart old Shimano Hyper-glide cassetes. Choose the sprocket you want, then use a Dremel to grind off 3 of the tabs, Shimano has 6, S/A has 3, then slighly trim the remaining 3 tabs so they fit nicely into the driver. Mind you the Shminao sprockets are thinner, so you'll have to add an extra spacing washer, or...you can add an extra sprocket! I've got one AW 6 spd and a FG 8 spd, both using hyperglide sprockets, ancient Huret derailleurs, and new 8spd chains. Got this trick from Sheldon Brown's site.

Hope this helps

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   three speed club bikes posted by Spike on 12/27/2006 at 6:08:20 PM
As far as wide and narrow chain I assume we are talking about 1/8 or 3/32.I've been mixing 3/32 with cruiser chain rings with good success (same 1/2 inch pitch).Sometimes I have to look for newer chain rings that are narrower.The 3/32 fits very nicely on a 72 Raleigh 3spd chainring I checked but as you probably know not even close on a hub gear.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: three speed club bikes posted by Mark Stonich on 12/28/2006 at 5:05:02 PM
"I got sick of those replacement sturmey archer barrels, with the bolt and that delicate hoop, so I machined some mild steel crimps that fit into a barrel, much cleaner looking and stronger. Do they sell crimps anywhere or should I make a bunch? Anyone have a solution they use?"

Are you talking about these?
Stainless fulcrum sleeves (shift cable stop) to replace your brittle plastic Sturmey version.

The bands that hold them (Fulcrum Clips) are still being made by Sturmey.

"Has anyone ever chucked up a SA sprocket and lathed it down to fit a narrow chain?"

I have an SA 22t that has been turned down to work with 3/32" chain. However Shimano, SRAM and IKT sprockets for hub gears and coaster brakes all fit the SA hub and are usable with derailleur chain. They are stamped in such a way that they are effectively still 1/8" at the driver.

Shimano and IKT are available up to 22t and Sheldon Brown has some 24t SRAM.

What sizes are you looking for? I keep 20s and 22s in stock.

If by narrow, you mean the new 9 and 10 speed chains, the 9 speed fits but it's a snug fit so I assume there will be added friction. 7-8 speed chain is fine.

"For sprockets, I like to tear apart old Shimano Hyper-glide cassettes."

Hyper glide is fine if you have a derailleur. If not you need Pre HyperGlide cogs. They had taller teeth so the chain is less likely to come off if you hit a bump. (Even with the taller teeth it can happen if you don’t watch chain tension. I'm too cheap to pay Sheldon's high price for the 24t SRAM cogs, so I use 24-26t older cassette cogs.


AGE / VALUE:   hows this for politically correct? posted by: Matthew on 12/24/2006 at 3:07:07 PM
PLEASE NOTE; this is not a wind up but it is not to be taken seriously.

Subject: Christmas Greetings

Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit best wishes
for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress,
non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice
holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the
religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your
choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or
traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or
secular traditions at all . . .
. . . and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically
uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted
calendar year 2007, but not without due respect for the calendars of
choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped
make Britain great, (not to imply that Britain is necessarily greater
than any other country), and without regard to the race, creed, colour,
age, physical ability, religious faith, choice of computer platform, or
sexual preference of the wishee.

(By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This
greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely
transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no
promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for
her/himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law, and is
revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted
to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for
a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday
greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement
of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the

Regards, Best wishes, Love, Sincerely, Truly
.Please delete whichever of the above you feel are inappropriate

Matthew - about to enjoy Christamas Day with my family, enjoy yours.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   hows this for politically correct? posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/25/2006 at 6:14:16 AM
Gad... nicely written Matthew. If you're ever in need, you have a career in journalism waiting for you this side of the pond! ;-)

Meanwhile.... ponder the innumerable amount of velocipedes that have turned up in innumerable living rooms around the world on this very day.

Boggles the mind, wot?\

To all my fellow forum denizens, HAPPY HOLIDAYS!



Larry "Boneman" Bone

MISC:   Brampton 3 speed hub posted by: Bryant on 12/22/2006 at 3:08:59 PM
I don't even know how I got it, but I found a 3 speed hub in my garage that is not a Shimano or SA. It is a Brampton model 140B-3. I have an older Hercules with a Hercules 3 speed hub, but I've not heard of Brampton before. Looks to have a screw on sprocket rather than the splined like the SA. Metal oiler cap, and it didn't have those special washers that the SA hubs have to keep the axle from turning. Anyone ever heard of it before?? Anyone need one for a project??

   RE:MISC: Brampton 3 speed hub posted by sam on 12/23/2006 at 10:24:20 PM
I have the brake down pamplet for a brampton 3 speed hub.

   RE:RE:MISC: Brampton 3 speed hub posted by Chris on 12/24/2006 at 3:02:07 PM
It's the same as a Sturmey- Archer A.W. 3 speed exactly.