AGE / VALUE:   It has to go. What do you need? posted by: on 4/27/2006 at 1:47:15 AM
Every crazy bit part imaginable. Raleigh, Sturmey Archer bits and pieces of all things British bicycle. 26 and the rare 28 inch wheel stuff.
I'm selling it all off. If there are collectors in the Detroit Michigan area please e- mail with what you are looking for. There is far too much to list on the bay. Fixing a bike? need parts? e- mail me. Pricing this stuff is tricky. I sold a pair of brake levers to a fellow and he's listed them on e- bay just 2 days after buying them from me. Seems I sold it too low! I'm grinning anyways and wish him well. Oops. I'll still be with ya'all just minus the parts and pieces.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   It has to go. What do you need? posted by Kurt K. on 4/27/2006 at 2:35:22 AM
Chris, UGM!

P.S.: I just realized that you'll be sticking with us even though you're selling your parts off.

You may note that I wrote my email in such a hurry, I didn't notice this...

Take care,


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   It has to go. What do you need? posted by stewart frescas on 4/27/2006 at 12:44:07 PM

I want to buy things sturmey archer but your e-mail link doesn't work.


   RE:AGE / VALUE: It has to go. What do you need? posted by Kevin on 4/28/2006 at 10:46:33 AM
I am looking for a Raleigh Sports chaincase part, hopefully in maroon. It's the removable 5" long piece that goes around the rear cog. I'll shoot you an email later today as well. Thanks, take care!


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Here's another roadster for SF BA... posted by: sciencemonster on 4/27/2006 at 1:41:00 AM

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   S/A Wheelset 26-inch posted by: Brian on 4/26/2006 at 7:06:41 PM
S/A wheelset. Built w/ nos S/A AW, DT straight gauge spokes & nipples, Sun Rims, unused - alloy rim stopping power, shiny stainless spokes and reliable S/A AW. New Matthauser (2-sets) brake shoe units included. I'll consider trades as I'm looking for some items (16-inch black Raleigh inflator, full chaincase & hardware) to complete other projects.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Catch Of The Day... posted by: Kurt K. on 4/26/2006 at 12:34:04 AM
This little beauty arrived today via FedEx Ground - a 1973 women's all-gold Raleigh Sports. Goes nicely with my men's '71 all-gold, although this '73 is in far better shape. See photos:

Bought it on eBay, auction #7233989983

Take care,



   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Catch Of The Day... posted by Alecw35 on 5/7/2006 at 8:53:22 AM
I got a Raliegh Wayfarer from a man in the pub. He asked for a pint of guiness for it. I put 10 pence in the Bandit and won £3 so that paid for the trusty steed.
I rebuilt the bike but the wheels are rusty so I left it. Then I was at the scrap yard and got a van load of bikes for £30. I got a pair of raleigh Stainless steel rims so I will build up the wheels with these.
Its a good going bike but the lights arent upto much. Is that cause the dynohubs oily, or is it just duff. I have a Dynohub on the Blue Falcon, a mountain bike that has 3 speeder old wheels in it. It gives a good light at reasonable speed.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Catch Of The Day... posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 4/26/2006 at 9:45:34 AM
Nice machine... don't tell me that seat's original..? As to condition... I've very oft found that the ladies machines are usually in much better condition than the mens' equivalents.

Gee... I wonder why????? ;-)

Nice catch, indeed!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Catch Of The Day... posted by Kurt K. on 4/26/2006 at 2:06:32 PM
No indeed! That's an aftermarket Persons saddle that came on the bike. And as most American-made bicycle components are, it's garbage, and uncomfortable at that.

Yes, the ladies, in general, do keep their machines in spectacular shape, particularly Raleighs.

Take care,


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Catch Of The Day... posted by P.C. Kohler on 4/26/2006 at 6:33:36 PM

No sir, it's SUNSET YELLOW in official Raleigh parlence. First introduced with the 1957 RRA Moderne and more famous for being slapped on every other Hercules and AMF on the planet c. 1960-66.

You need to find one of the original Brooks two-tone mattress saddles for this pup... yellow (gold) and white. They are on eBay (what isn't) infrequently.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Catch Of The Day... posted by Brian on 4/26/2006 at 7:18:32 PM
Lovely simple Raleigh for basic transportation. No way do they make 'em like this anymore. Locate the correct saddle and add a Raleigh, Miller or Lucas bell and ride into the sunset yellow.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Catch Of The Day... posted by Kurt K. on 4/26/2006 at 9:50:40 PM
Sunset Yellow it may be, but framesets badged as Raleighs were made in this color from at least '68 through 1972, and, of course, this very late 1973 model (probably '72 overstock).

One thing though, Peter. These Sunset Yellow Raleighs take a riveted all-white mattress saddle, not a two-toner. Perhaps back in the early '60s they used the two-tone saddle.

I do happen to have a spare of these all-white saddles, but the springs have deformed in such a way that the saddle frame is offset over an inch from the saddle frame. The whole design, in fact, is cheap and shoddy, and the springs aren't replaceable either. This is the same saddle as used on the AMFs (and that's where my spare came from, a '70 AMF).

Of note, this machine does feature a 32/40 Endrick wheelset even though the switch to 36/36 took place around '73. Shocking, however, is that the front rim is stamped Rigida, and the rear doesn't have a stamp at all.

I have little doubt that these Sunset Yellow models are the late '60s - early '70s form of the Raleigh Sports S22 economy model. Their componentry certainly suggests such.

Oh - one other thing - all of the untouched examples of these Sunset Yellow machines that I've seen feature Cateye headlamps, a bottle generator, and a cheap "Made In Japan" bracket in place of the Heron bracket.

My '71 Sunset Yellow was missing the lighting system and generator, but the cheap lamp bracket was present. This '73 does not have either, and what appears to be a factory washer is in place of the bracket.

Take care,


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Catch Of The Day... posted by Bryan on 4/26/2006 at 9:57:08 PM
Nice! My mom had one very similar when I was a kid and I have always loved that color (no matter how un-British it may be). I checked out the auction listing, nice price too!


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Catch Of The Day... posted by Kurt K. on 4/26/2006 at 10:33:25 PM
Yes, it is unquestionably one of the nicest colors to be placed on a '70s Raleigh Sports, followed closely by Burgundy, in my opinion.

It's rather interesting that this striking color was followed by one of the most lackluster Raleigh color lineups of 1973-1977. Only the re-introduction of Humber Blue in '78 redeem the following years.

Take care,


   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Catch Of The Day... posted by Chris on 4/27/2006 at 2:20:50 AM
This Raleigh sunset yellow imatated the Schwinns of a similar color didn't they? Schwinn had a sunset gold. The all lemon yellow Raleigh Sports is a rare treat. That's a bright yellow, very different from the sunset color. I'd say that any yellow or gold or near sunset is a special color to be appreciated. Too much black, too much root beer browns.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Catch Of The Day... posted by Matthew on 4/27/2006 at 6:12:00 AM
(no matter how un-British it may be).

Sorry folks but this colour is typical of ladies bikes propped up against the wall of local Co-op shops all over the UK. There was a model in the Raleigh family with red mudguards which was quite popular with Mums at the time. Likewise Carmine Red (wonderful colour). I had not realised the lovely blue which reappeared in the late 70s was a Rudge colour, smashing. I presume ladies were fed up of Dark green and black and saw the gold, red and later blue variants as something bright & distinctive.

Matthew - off to save the world, or at least going to work.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Catch Of The Day... posted by P.C. Kohler on 4/27/2006 at 3:37:17 PM
Actually the blue was a HUMBER colour.. not just a Humber colour but THE Humber royal blue once reserved for the Humber Royal Roadsters, "By Appt. to His Late Majesty King George VI..." And they really did ride Humbers on the estate at Sandringham. They sure didn't ride the then junky "Sports" this once noble colour was slapped on towards the end, the ones with the 'orrible rivet dimples in the mudguards and all those godawful reflectors.

Most of the Raleigh Industry colours were recyled including the equally famous Rudge "Ox Blood" maroon and in the UK, at least, the Raleigh Superbe green (not the icky lime green of the US ones) was offered throughout the production run.

My favourite Sports colour was the 1962 Carmine Red which I had on my first Raleigh, the one with the cool "Sports" down the seat tube. Just about the best year for the Sports before the quality began to dimenish by the later 1960s especially the chrome.

Of course, Raleigh offered their own version of bilious "Schwinn Yellow" on the Sprite 27 and Sports as well as the rather elegant Ivory.

The company that really started all of this "colour styling" with roadsters was Phillips.. they had that Sunset Yellow first and all other sorts of Elizabethan Moderne paint treatments with white bits, chrome and snazzy chainguards, chromium mudguards, two-tone saddles and white saddle bags. They were the Painted Up Wicked City Women of Roadsterdom.

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Catch Of The Day... posted by Kurt K. on 4/27/2006 at 4:40:18 PM
Slapped on, maybe. Horrible rivet dimples, maybe.

Still a machine of presence? Definitely.

Replace the front reflector and mount with a pre-'77 Heron bracket and the replacement of the Cateye "coffin" rear reflector with the traditional round object, and while by no means will it be the majestic machine of the '50s, but it still isn't something to sneeze at either.

Wasn't the original Superbe green the same as the 1978 Emerald Green? Or was it closer to the green used on the rod-brake 1980s "Superbes?"

I agree completely with Peter regarding Lemon Yellow though. While unique, it's painfully obnoxious. However, I will admit that I plan to purchase one anyway.

Do not forget the Phillips Manhattan, Peter. That's a kaleidoscope of colors on an English machine if I've ever seen. A silver chaincase? Unheard of!


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Catch Of The Day... posted by Matthew on 4/27/2006 at 5:48:34 PM
Actually the blue was a HUMBER colour

Peter, Which Blue?

I can imagine HRH riding along on a cycle of the hue used on early 70s Wayfarers but never on a cycle of the bright nay garish, possibly sudden, blue used on late 70s Trafficmasters, Twenties and even on a few very late RSWs.

The blue of the Wayfarer is a distinct Royal Navy blue (something I know you'd appreciate). Whilst the other blue is more like the blue used on Triumph Daytona motorcycles.

Raleigh have made a few colour faux pas along the way. The Hustler, a three speed boys 'racer' was produced in a purple and yellow livery. These indelicate colours were on a three speed bike when it was only cool to have a ten speed Falcon. The all white Bianca and the white version of the Caprice were more examples of bold marketing (poor taste).

Carmine red is definitely a lsutrous and wonderful colour.

Matthew - its about choice.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Catch Of The Day... posted by bluespenny on 4/27/2006 at 9:23:38 PM
Sweet bikes, Kurt.
I'm just reassembling my own 72 ladies all-gold, to match my men's 69. Maybe we should find four people and go for a garish, golden ride someday.
As a note of interest, my men's has white peddles (which I think are add ons), and it came with a plastic white mattress seat, plus the headlight/cheap bracket combo. Women's has black peddles, same light, and a white plastic mattress seat, but with a different, softer texture than the mens.
And I've never had a problem with the shift grips, despite their reputation: you?


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Catch Of The Day... posted by Kurt K. on 4/27/2006 at 11:12:44 PM
Mike, those white pedals are probably original to your '69, same for the cheap generator lighting system. Got a pic of the pedals? The black ones were used on '72-73s, if I'm not mistaken.

Do you have a photo of the second-gen mattress saddle? Curious as to the difference between the original variant.

I've never had a problem with the grip-shifts either. In my opinion, they're just as good as the triggers.

Take care,


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Catch Of The Day... posted by P.C. Kohler on 4/28/2006 at 3:22:45 PM
Actually the real Royal roadsters (well at least the ones I've seen the Royal family photographed on at Sandringham) were BLACK of course since this was c. 1940. I think the special Royal Blue Humbers date only post-war under Raleigh ownership.

The Superbe green was a dark British racing green and this was not offered in the USA post about 1958 but continued to be the colour in the UK market. To the end you could get Superbes in this colour with matching pump, full gearcases, the works. They were also the last with dynohubs.

The traditional "luxury" colours were also offered, well into the 1980s, on export frames to Denmark.. Rudge Maroon, Humber Blue and Raleigh Green both the Sports style frames and the DL-1 roadster ones. But the fittings except hubs and cranks were almost all German/Danish.

There was also a brief time, was there, not when the Superbes in the USA came in Coffee in addition to that.. well what limey green.. no insult intended to our British friends of course..

P.C. Kohler

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Catch Of The Day... posted by Kurt K. on 4/28/2006 at 4:02:45 PM
Correction on the export frames:

Nottingham was still producing complete bikes in the traditional colors at this time. For export, of course, but all the components were Nottingham. For example, my 1979 Rudge DL-1.

Just to recap, I there are three greens of note:

Bronze Green (U.S. Raleigh Sports 'till '76, Superbes 'till '74)
'Superbe' green (U.S. Superbes 'till '58, U.K Superbes till '83)
Emerald Green (U.S. Raleigh Sports/Superbes post-'78)

I believe Bronze Green was eliminated on the U.S. Superbes in '75-76, They only came in Coffee during this period.

Take care,


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fifties Hercules crankset wanted posted by: Geoff on 4/24/2006 at 11:42:04 PM
I just acquired an early (I think!) fifties Hercules Tourist, and I need some advice and a proper chainwheel for it. The bike is an odd one, in my experience. It has an American-style chromed chainguard, with a lovely Hercules Tourist decal. It's a 26" sports-type machine with Raleigh-type double-ended cable brakes. Other unusual stuff includes the stem, which looks like a late 60's Raleigh style (I think it is wrong; should be an early Phillips type, I think, like my '52 Indian?) and a Hercumatic 3-speed hub and trigger. As a result, I cannot date it, as Hercumatics did not have dates. Is there some other way to date an old Herc? It has a metal BB oiler and the badge reads, "Hercules Cycle and Motor" and "Birmingham", so it's certainly from before the Raleigh/TI merger. When did Raleigh acquire Hercules? Was it in 1960 with all the TI names?
The cranks are some nasty newish European things, so I will be looking for a proper Hercules chainwheel, with the name spelled out (I think; anybody know for sure?). I can probably find something for the left side to match.
Otherwise, the bike seems original and complete, with decent chrome and nice decals. According to one, it was "hand brazed". I just learned that Columbias were assembled with brass at the frame joints, then put in an oven until the braze melted. No wonder "hand brazed" is worth mentioning! And no wonder Columbia frames used to break at the joints...
Anyhow, any help with dating the machine and finding a proper chainwheel would be greatly appreciated.
Geoff Rogers

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fifties Hercules crankset wanted posted by Chris on 4/25/2006 at 4:35:21 AM
I love these Hercules Tourists! I know the bike.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fifties Hercules crankset wanted posted by Chris on 4/25/2006 at 11:48:54 PM
Just came up out of the cave and I have no hercules spelled out cranksets. Sorry.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Fifties Hercules crankset wanted posted by sam on 4/26/2006 at 2:56:05 AM
In the book collectable Elgins,J.C.Higgins,and hawthorns you will find that Wards was the importer for Hercules bicycles in the 50s---sam

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Fifties Hercules crankset wanted posted by jack on 4/28/2006 at 4:45:47 AM
Looking at my 50's Herc Tourist, chainwheel are H's followed by V's, chrome chainguard and fenders. If I had an email address, I'd send a pic.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fifties Hercules crankset wanted posted by David on 4/29/2006 at 11:39:26 AM
My next-door neighbor has an old Herc with the spelled-out chainwheel. She might be willing to swap it for a generic Robin Hood/Phillips/Herc/... etc chainwheel if the price were right.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fifties Hercules crankset wanted posted by Geoff Rogers on 5/2/2006 at 4:21:10 PM
Thanks, guys! I knew somebody would be interested. My email address is, and I would be very interested in seeing a picture of another of these machines. And as to the lady witht he lettered Herc chainwheel, yes, I have all manner of other chainwheels, including a nice "R-I-N" (Raleigh Industries Notingham) one and a Rudge "hand" chainwheel, as well as Raleigh Herons and the generic English style, in abundance. I can trade or trade-with-cash for the proper Herc one for my bike, as appropriate. I would like to do this, because the machine is really quite nice apart from the chainwheel, and it deserves to have its proper bits replaced.
Geoff Rogers