FOR SALE:   1950s woman's Raleigh Superbe posted by: CAlvin on 6/16/2006 at 11:47:19 AM
I almost forgot to post my auction for a woman's vintage Raleigh Superbe.
This model has the rod brakes with John Bull pads and totally enclosed chainguard.
I am selling her due to the flack that I am getting for having 20 bikes (Yes, I know I'm a piker).
Anyways, there is a full description with pictures and more if requested.
I will be auctioning off a 1969 Gold Raligh Sports (woman's model) that is in fantastic shape sometime soon.

Thank you.

   RE:FOR SALE:   1950s woman's Raleigh Superbe posted by Matthew on 6/16/2006 at 6:29:31 PM

Could you explain the term 'piker'? We have a term in the UK called 'Pikey' which is a rather derogatory term for 'traveller' which in turn means caravan dweller, usually the intinerant type who deal in scrap metal and tree trimming. I'm guessing you mean something different?

Matthew - lexographically challenged

   RE:RE:FOR SALE:   1950s woman's Raleigh Superbe posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/18/2006 at 11:41:33 AM
pik·er ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pkr)
n. Slang
A cautious gambler.
A person regarded as petty or stingy.

Per anyhowz.... ;-)


Larry "Boneman" Bone

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1962 Birmingham Armstrong posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/14/2006 at 11:14:07 PM
OK, so I pickup the Scotland manufactured Armstrong... welll... I thought the transfer said scotland as well... but upon very close examination it certainly is made in England.

However, it does state Armstrong, Birmingham on the headbadge and the rear fender eyes are above the dropouts so quite certainly, it's pre- Raleigh.

Still... hub dates October of '62 and there is an oiler on the bottom bracket. Showing signs of age... but this older chrome will clean up very well.

Just for fun, I flipped the bars... aired up the tyres... un-stuck the indicator chain... and took her for a ride. I've not ridden a light roadster in quite some time... nevermind one with pseudo-drops so it was certainl funky at first... but once acclimated... I was rolling along very nicely indeed!

All things considered... not a bad deal for $52.

When I get it cleaned up, I'll post pics. Between the flipped bars, funky fenders... the gumwalls I'm gonna put on it ant the NOS Pletscher rack.... plus a mudflap...

Well, while certainly not a "proper" club bike, it will certainly be a fun and unique ride!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1962 Birmingham Armstrong posted by Jeff R on 6/15/2006 at 12:44:17 AM
Check the steering head set. I'll bet it's Phillips. 24 tpi with floating bearing races and 1/8th inch dia. ball bearings. The fender stays attach to the fender the way Phillips did it, with that chrome oval screwed through the fender and the other end fastened above the rear axel. On a Raleigh front fork you can see a seam where the legs are brazed to the top. Phillips smoothed the joint out so there is no seam. You might also check the pedals and bottom bracket for Phillips markings. That bike looks like the (pre Raleigh) Phillips and Dunelt bikes that I have owned. Nice bike.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1962 Birmingham Armstrong posted by Chris on 6/15/2006 at 3:17:17 AM
As long as it is pre- Raleigh, it's a rare treat. Love those floating headset races. Looking forward to your pictures.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1962 Birmingham Armstrong posted by David on 6/16/2006 at 4:19:57 PM
Educate me. What are "floating" races?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1962 Birmingham Armstrong posted by Matthew on 6/16/2006 at 6:34:47 PM
Floating races - 'The America's Cup', 'Round the World Yacht Race' etc.

Sorry that was rather frivolous!

Floating ball bearing races are not brazed pressed or screwed into position and are not an interference fit on the parts they 'bear'. They 'float in as much as they have the ability to move and take up minor descrepencies in manufacturing of machinery.

Matthew - unless some one knows better.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:  Phillips and Raleigh headsets 101 posted by Chris on 6/17/2006 at 10:39:05 PM
I don't know if I can improve on Mathew's description but I'll add my 2 cents worth. With a Raleigh bicycle, you have a upper and lower headset race cup that is one piece. It is grooved so that the loose bearings run around in the cups. There are another two parts that make up the other sides so that the bearings are sandwitched between the two race cups. This is Raleigh type and the threading is Raleigh's own house pitch. It is 26 T.P.I.

Now Phillips is 24 T.P.I. and they did it differently. In the front steering section of the Phillips made cycle you also have a top and bottom headset race cup. HOWEVER, these do not have built in channels for the ball bearings to race around in. They are hollowed out, and there is room in each cup for a seperate ring like race. Each bike takes four of these. The smaller bearings are sandwitched between two rings on the top and two rings in the bottom with groves in each ring type race. These ring type races pop in and out and are just held in the headset cups with a smear of grease. There are more bearings and they are also smaller balls. Also loose bearings with both Raleigh and Phillips- no caged bearings here with Raleigh or Phillips. You smear grease in the channels and fill them up them take one ball out.
The Phillips has smoother steering v/s/ the Raleigh cycle. The Phillips cycle allowed easier headset overhauls but the real reason why it is different between the two escapes me. To replace the headset on a Raleigh you have to tear it all down even further knocking the pressed in Raleigh type cups out with a copper pipe or the proper tool. I guess the floating part is the two races within the cups themself so the bearings are sandwitched between two races that are not part of the overall cups. There are the differences before the Raleigh T.I./ Phillips merger.

After the merger, thousands lost their jobs and the Raleigh factory made the Phillips bicycles and the headsets became standard Raleigh type. Pedals went to heck, really they did. Phillips were the Kings of bicycle pedals. Raleigh went to non rebuilable pedals from Union Frondenburg from Germany. The decals were not as magical, and the Phillips lion looked terrible and 86% of the magic was gone from British bicycles at this time or very soon after in general.

One way to identify a British bicycle is to look at the headset. Finding these original parts and saving them is important. I hope that I helped. I hope to add pictures and knock my description here on this into finer form.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:  Phillips and Raleigh headsets 101 posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/20/2006 at 4:36:38 PM
Quite the description Chris. And an excellent "heads up" for me to be prepared when I open the headset up for re-lubrication... though, I must say, it's smoot as glass as-is.

And just an aside.... the Armstrong is a bear to do an online search on. After all... you put the two words "Armstrong" and "bicycle" in a search... and ya know darn well what comes up, eh? ;-)


Larry "Boneman" Bone

AGE / VALUE:   CAN YOU HELP ME IDENTIFY THIS BIKE? posted by: Chris on 6/14/2006 at 9:34:07 PM
I recently got this RayNal President bike. It says "Made in England" and it is black with white pinstriping. I am trying to pin down the age of the bike.

I don't believe the wheels (26") or 1962 Sturmey Archer 3-speed hub are original to the bike.

Can you help me? I posted this about a month ago and only had 4 pictures. There are many more there now. Thanks!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   CAN YOU HELP ME IDENTIFY THIS BIKE? posted by Matthew on 6/15/2006 at 7:06:15 AM

I can't help with the date but I can tell you that whilst its Made in England its also very much Made for USA. A bike like this wouldn't have been seen on English roads very much at all until the early 1990s when there was a bit of a retro cruiser movement with folks who had watched too many episodes of 'Happy days' and 'Friends'. The bike is undoubtedly a gem and almost certainly at least as old as its rear hub. (does that sound like I'm not sure?) I mean to say I think it is at least v.early 1960s. The only bikes of any antiquity that I've seen like this have been left overs from WW2 or the cold war when US Airmen have left them behind when shipping home.

Matthew - enjoy the ride.

MISC:   Some neat "stuff" posted by: Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/14/2006 at 2:20:41 PM
No association... just some neat and novel stuff:


Larry "Boneman" Bone

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   THE MUPPETT MAN RIDES A ROADSTER posted by: Bundyof Santa Clara on 6/14/2006 at 6:51:45 AM
Hey CHAPS Thats right im now labled a [muppet] according to popular beliefs in the country of kings @ queens and were not talkin texas holdem !All i did was make a simple mistake tryin to bid on UK EBAY on a brooks tool bag for the 34 roadster and Wam Bam im a muppet ! Thanks to my friends the Hoddars I know what it means!its ugly.Anyway back to discussion first ? Does Anyone know when the first S@A dyno hubs came out? Also did they come in 32 holed?Know the big Questions does any know where to locate any 28x1 1/2 dunlop roadsters tire or any tires close to this style all blackwalled not made in asiaor similar any help would help thanks Thanks Bundy

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   THE MUPPETT MAN RIDES A ROADSTER posted by David on 6/14/2006 at 11:21:55 AM
Dynohubs certainly appeared prewar. Most of the ones I've seen are 32-hole (from Sports models with 32/40 spoking). 28 is common on ebay and 36 exists, too.

I've only seen Kenda 28" tires in the States. According to Continental's website, they make them too, but they're not distributed in all countries.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   THE MUPPETT MAN RIDES A ROADSTER posted by paul bennett on 6/19/2006 at 5:48:43 AM
you could try for your tyres, don't know what make he sells but i now he sells that size.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   THE MUPPETT MAN RIDES A ROADSTER posted by Bundy of shire on 6/19/2006 at 7:04:35 AM
thank everyone who replied ! I did find some kendas at local shop but they are yellow stripped !thank to Matthew too I am now ridding tall above all the rederick of muppy man !Im trying to send pic of my prewar to put in the pic data but it keeps comin back to many pixels?