ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   FLYING PIGEONS?????????????? posted by: Bundy of shire on 6/25/2006 at 8:16:53 AM
Well Roadster Enthusiasts what happed to patents@ trademarks they don't pertain to the worlds largest population of bicycles Hong Kong/Begieng/ect, I recently aquired a new bird for my coop, the Flyin Pidgeon strait from Red CHINA w chinese lisence plates!For its age I think mid 60's its holding up to the salty air from the city by the bay S.F well actually Palo Alto!This repro surprised me how close they to the real thing side by side visually they are very similar down to the woods valves but bearings are not lubbed as well as the S@A hubs and they seem to need be replaced !I am hopeing to some day to send pics of these cool campus daily riders !By the way while i am here and got your attention my 34tourist needs a side stand can someone send pic or describe what kind of massive perch holds this fully geared bike upright any help would be nice send pics or info too rythyman1@sbcglobal.net thanks Bundy

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   FLYING PIGEONS?????????????? posted by Matthew on 6/25/2006 at 7:57:07 PM
Hi Bundy,

The Flying Pigeons don't have a great name for quality or durability. The build quality is iffy and parts appear to just fit (or not).

Kick stands for the roadster are available either to fit near the bottom bracket or on one rear fork leg (chainstay). Have a scout about.

Matthew - only long in the tooth.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   FLYING PIGEONS?????????????? posted by Bundy of shire on 6/26/2006 at 6:23:16 AM
thanks for your mighty wisdom again Matthew your absolutly right about the Flyin Bird !I hate to borrow any parts to make the roadster complete so i will scout about! thanks again!!!!!!!!

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   FLYING PIGEONS?????????????? posted by Chris on 6/27/2006 at 2:02:30 PM
The Flying Pigeons deserve their own catagory:
Junk China bikes made for China's masses, poorly made and with a stupid name.


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Superbe posted by: Gralyn on 6/25/2006 at 2:50:57 AM
I'm really into the vintage lightweights - but I occasionally dabble with the roadsters. I had matching his / hers Raleigh Sports bikes - from about 1972. I eventually sold them to a couple who wanted to ride them around their neighborhood.
Today I spotted one that really caught my eye. It was a Raleigh Superbe.....green, chain guard, fenders, headlamp, dyno front hub, brooks leather saddle, pump, locking fork, and per the rear hub - a 1966 model. It was in very good condition.....well, maybe better than very good condition. All the metal parts were rust-free....the paint was in very good condition....very few scratches. I was surprised to see such an old bike in such good condition. I will need to put new tubes in the tires.....and it should be ridable.
There was also a (per the rear hub) 1960 Raleigh Sports. It had no fenders, no chain guard. But it was in pretty good condition. I could have got them both - but I just passed on the Sports.
Should I have passed on it? It was really cheap....and a 1960 model......
Anyway, I just looked on e-bay at some Raleigh Superbe bikes....completed listings.....I was surprised at what they sold for.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Superbe posted by Kevin C on 6/25/2006 at 3:41:00 AM
I bought a similar Raleigh Sports that was missing fenders and such. I later parted out a junker and made one nice complete bike out of the pair. A 1960 Sports is a high quality machine and worth saving. If kept well oiled, it should last 100 years.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Superbe posted by Matthew on 6/25/2006 at 1:33:50 PM
Sorry Kevin, I disagree. If kept well oiled, it should last... at least 250 yrs before the tubes rust from the inside out.

Ye it lasteth even unto the third, nay fourth generations.

Matthew - evergreen (often daft)

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Raleigh Superbe posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/26/2006 at 9:44:46 AM
I would say that if for no other reason, abscond with the Sports for the wheels alone. I'm not sure exactly when... perhaps late 60's / early 70's the quality of the chrome plating went downhill bigtime.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

AGE / VALUE:   Ladies 3 speed Hawthorne made by Hercules in Birmingham England posted by: Laura on 6/23/2006 at 2:35:24 PM
In cleaning out an old shed I found a Hawthorne Ladis 3 speed made by Hercules in Birmingham England. The bike is green with metal handle bar basket, royal deluxe headlight and rear light on fender. It has all the orginal decals with an English decal on front bar of bicyle. The orignal tire are on the bike. It is in really good condition needs to by cleaned but all markings are clear.

I would love to know the year and the value of this bike.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ladies 3 speed Hawthorne made by Hercules in Birmingham England posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 6/23/2006 at 4:16:22 PM
Clean up the rear hub. It should have a date code stamped on the shell. 10 55 would be indicative of October, 1955 being the year of manufacture. Providing, of course, that the rear wheel is the original.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Ladies 3 speed Hawthorne made by Hercules in Birmingham England posted by David on 6/24/2006 at 1:09:24 AM
"Hawthorne" was sold by Montgomery Ward's wasn't it?

MISC:   larz Anderson Bicycle Show-August 13th posted by: Peter Naiman on 6/22/2006 at 10:00:03 PM
The Larz Anderson Bicycle Show is less than two months away, on Sunday August 13th with set up time for the Bicycle Concours at 9:00, with show times of 10:00AM-2:00PM. We'll be doing a vintage ride through the Emerald Necklace of Brookline and Boston starting at 8:30AM at the grounds entrance.

Flyers to all past participants of the Larz Anderson Bicycles Show will be going out within the next week or so. We encourage everyone who is bringing a bike or more to the Concours, that you mail in a your registration forms for the Concours ahead of time to make registration go smoothly for everyone. If you want to pre-register, please email me offlist and I will forward a registration form for the Concours to you.

If you are not sure if you are on our mailing list and would like to be included, please email offlist with your contact information and the list will be updated.

As said before, we'll be putting on our usual Vintage Ride before the show starting at 8:30AM which will go through the Emerald Necklace of Boston and Brookline. If you plan on attending the ride, please pre-register all bikes being entered in the Concourse.

Best regards,


AGE / VALUE:   B.S.A. PARATROOPER BIKE posted by: CHRIS on 6/22/2006 at 9:17:21 PM
I'd love to cut out the back stay cross piece and wedge a 28 inch wheel in there. Then have another piece put in. The bottom too. This is impossible.
The whole frame would have to be longer from the start nso this is new construction and the only 28 inch wheels I am familiar with are the Raleigh Westwood wheels and there is not way to convert the para- bike to rod brake.

Yes, I am dreaming of this being a 28 inch wheel bike.
However some guys do put in 27 inch wheels on these bikes but I'll bet that the ride is not as good as with a 26 inch wheel.

There was one of these on e- bay recently and the hopped up bike with modern parts did not sell but an original one not messed with did sell for hundreds so keep your para- bikes original.

The sliding bar pedals that came with these are aweful to try to ride.