ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Grips?? posted by: Len on 11/21/2007 at 7:05:53 PM
I'm looking for some tan or natural grips suitable for a 1960's Raleigh Sports. The originals are functional, but don't have much life left.

I know that Harris Cyclery has a black grip, but I'm thinking of going with tan or natural grips and a honey saddle to complement the beautiful bronze-green bike. The Brooks leather grips are nice, but not exactly the right style (and they're $80-90!!!)

Any suggestions?


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Grips?? posted by Robert on 11/22/2007 at 6:44:13 AM
I have not used these, but have seen them on a number of bikes and they do look good to me. Also on sale for a decent price right now.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Grips?? posted by Ted on 11/22/2007 at 1:33:58 PM
Try ebay - raleigh grips - $10.00 Buy Now. From Thailand

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Grips?? posted by Len on 11/25/2007 at 9:59:13 PM
Thanks for the ideas. I'm still looking. The ones on eBay are in worse shape that the originals still on the bike. The nashbar look like a cruiser. I'm hoping for something with the finger grips, Raleigh or Schwinn 3-speed style.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Ebay posted by: Pete on 11/21/2007 at 3:30:09 PM
Slightly off subject but bear with me as I'm sure you have all been there looking for bike parts etc.
Anyone know where to find on ebay the listings for vintage parts? It seems to have gone,it used to be in Sporting Goods > Cycling > Bike Parts > Vintage Parts and was a valuable source for those hard to find parts for our type of bikes.Hope it aint gone for good and all the older items are mixed in amongst newer items as thats going to make it a real pain to search through.
Slightly confused.......Pete.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Ebay posted by Pete on 11/21/2007 at 4:33:11 PM
Whilst on the subject of ebay take a look at Item number: 320185993945 I want this and will be off to buy an extra lottery ticket tomorrow!
Not wishing to offend any of you stateside bikey people why is ebay UK suddenly full of USA listings in all the categories that are of interest to British bike collectors? eg Raleigh,other bicycle and also any lamp orientated catergory?
With all the USA listings and sections of ebay seemingly dissappearing as above it's getting very awkward to find the parts you want and even harder to find them locally to aleviate the expense of posting such large items as bicycles.
Getting distraught now... Pete.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Ebay posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 11/22/2007 at 5:45:40 AM
Greetings Pete! If you use the advanced searching options, you can narrow down your search to the "continental" level... and even enter a location radius (100 miles from your postal code, etc.) I narrow my searched to North America... cuz to be honest, I would be afraid of dehydration from excessive drooling... when all those absolutely lovely machines in the UK pop up on-screen.

Hope that's a little helpful!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Ebay posted by Matthew on 11/22/2007 at 11:50:49 AM
Hi Pete and Larry,

I do what Larry does except I limit the search to UK only. It saves the heartbreak when the postage is more than the item you've won.

Matthew - the great bargain hunter

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Ebay posted by Pete on 11/22/2007 at 3:41:01 PM
Vintage parts is back.Ebay must have just been having a sort out or something.Better not tell the wife after she had to endure all my moaning last night about ebay changing things for the worse,modern ideas getting stupid etc etc.Took your helpful advice and limited my searches to UK only.....why didn't I think of that?
Happy days are here again!
Pete-not so lost now.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:Ebay posted by Tom on 11/22/2007 at 6:44:15 PM
You could also search under Collectables/transportation/bicycles on Ebay.

AGE / VALUE:DL-1 posted by: Michael on 11/21/2007 at 12:12:56 AM
Stumbled on this one, if anyone is interested.

DL-1 converted into a singlespeed for sale.

(No relation to the sale.)


   RE:AGE / VALUE:DL-1 posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 11/22/2007 at 5:48:03 AM
Interesting find for sure. I oft wonder... since it's very simple to do... why so many seem unable to post pics on craigslist.... Odd.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

AGE / VALUE:Brooks B90/3 vs. B33 posted by: David Poston on 11/18/2007 at 8:19:24 PM
I currently have two B33 saddles, one on my Sunbeam and one on my DL-1. I am thinking of getting a B90/3 for my Phillips 28" wheel roadster. How does the B90/3 compare to the B33? Is it even more comfy?


   RE:AGE / VALUE:Brooks B90/3 vs. B33 posted by Kevin on 11/19/2007 at 3:46:38 PM
The B90-3 (which I have on my DL-1) has to be the most comfortable saddle ever made. I have been told, however, that Brooks no longer makes them. It's the extra large, really heavy-duty model with twisted coil springs, made for long rides on rough roads.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:Brooks B90/3 vs. B33 posted by Bill on 11/19/2007 at 4:46:39 PM
I put a 90/3 on my 28" Phillips and its terrific, but, as the previous correspondent noted, they are no longer made.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:Brooks B90/3 vs. B33 posted by David Poston on 11/22/2007 at 9:17:40 AM
I was hoping I would win one off ebay-uk, but I lost. It's too bad they don't make these anymore. What I'd really like is a vintage Brooks (with the nice keyholes in the top) to go with my 50s Phillips.

If anyone has a vintage Brooks saddle for sale (any loop-front model will do), let me know.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:Brooks B90/3 vs. B33 posted by Kevin on 11/25/2007 at 1:50:20 AM
Brooks doesn't make the B90-3 anymore, but there could well be some in stock at shops that sell Brooks saddles. It might pay to ask around. They were quite expensive and I suspect that there are still a few around, unsold.

AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by: Norman on 11/14/2007 at 1:47:54 PM
I am selling my old Marston "GOLDEN SUNBEAM" on Ebay item is 280173658809 email me any questions or ask here. These bicycles must have looked beautiful when they were new.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Joseph on 11/14/2007 at 2:30:42 PM
Be sure to check out the $176.00 shipping cost before you bid. What a joke!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Joseph on 11/14/2007 at 2:35:44 PM
You have to click on "View Seller's Other Items" to get the details on shipping fees.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by norman on 11/14/2007 at 4:01:29 PM
The ebay guy who listed this for me screwed up on the shipping costs and removed the $176. I put the weight in the listing and said I would remove the front end to keep shipping costs down

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Chris on 11/15/2007 at 9:09:54 AM
I'm sorry, But for a 1907 John Marston Sunbeam. Screw the shipping fee. Whatever it is. If the bike does not have a bent fork and is complete and has original paint and gold lining and decals and if it makes you happy and fits you. Then go ahead and to heck with the costs.
You only live once.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Chris on 11/15/2007 at 9:11:27 AM
I can't remember the last time one of these was ever offered. And it stands to reason that one would have to pay quite a bit to find one and have it shipped. Too magical of a bike to worry about shipping fees.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Norman on 11/15/2007 at 2:49:30 PM
The front forks are straight. The aluminum rims are straight also with some corrosion on the edges.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Chris on 11/15/2007 at 6:33:27 PM
My 1907 Sunbeam days are over, for awhile it seems. Part of why I say, If you have the means,I highly recommend one.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Chris on 11/15/2007 at 6:45:51 PM
I had to pull strings and it was not easy or inexpensive to find a 26 inch frame Raleigh rod brake bike with the 28 inch wheels. I asked one fellow who said he could find me anything I dared to dream of owning. Just simply to tell him and he'd find it for me. It boiled down to money and how much. I was going on about Raleigh's and he said they were working class bicycles which offended me but they were.

I asked what is the best that money could buy as far as vintage English bicycles go. Not a Beeston Humber but a Sunbeam.

Sunbeam bicycles, especially the old ones, such as this 1907 bikes are literally the stuff that dreams are made of.

I can't praise a Sunbeam enough. This is clicque ish, rare, hard to find, you gotta know somebody and then shell out some money for it.

It is an honour to own one and riding it, especially the alloy rim models. It's you savoring the best of this all.

Usually, with these they say, Sorry, it's not for sale. Conventionally, before e- bay these are a bitch to find one for sale. But with the internet and e- bay these do appear for sale every once and awhile.

You see, these don't have steel wheels but unique alloy rims and therefore the bike is a joy to ride.
Other reasons as well.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Chris on 11/15/2007 at 6:47:40 PM
will be interesting to see what it goes for.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 11/15/2007 at 6:58:43 PM
Yeah. Especially after your accolades. ;-)

Not to worry.... your eloquence is always appreciated... at least by myself, sir.

It is most understandable.... there are certain things that are near and dear to everyones heart... and they can be rare... and seemingly insurmountable costwise....

Like an original gold top Les Paul...

Thing is though.... Really... do you think that ANY of the velocipedes currently being manufactured will even EXIST 100 years from now? And will it be so sought after.... such a prize?

I dunno... to be honest... to me anyhow... the "Rolling Clouds" have no appeal whatsoever...

Good luck with the sale of the machine. There will be many hear turning green... with a little bit of envy... of whomsoever acquires it.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Joseph on 11/16/2007 at 4:47:43 AM
Chris, is may be an "honour" for you to own the bike, but the idea that the buyer should "screw the shipping fee" when it was roughly $100 too high only encourages the seller to "rippe ye offe."

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Chris on 11/16/2007 at 7:59:57 AM
True. Use your logic, do what is right. As I can only please insanity. I tended to get seduced by something about it. Like the magic of it, got caught up with it and tended to throw caution and common sense to the wind. my point was, it's a Sunbeam and that's a bike I'm in awe of. But, you are quite right, the shipping fee should never be more than what it costs to ship it. Actual shipping costs. People over quote a shipping fee sometimes. Also, it's a good place for the seller to hit you up for a hidden "fee"

When I want something, like one of these, I bring it back home with me in the car no matter what. I was swept up, seduced by, caught up in a magic spell, want to devote my life to these. People become ministers to open up an inner city mission so they can serve God, and what do I want to do? I want to save the English bicycles.
I want the red and yellow truck that is bringing in loads of these bikes and i want to restore them all to former glory especially with paint and decals.
I bought up old cycling magazines with yellow paper and read the ads and Frank Patterson illustrations and product reviews, and Lucas Bell ads in color. Traveled and saw old shops full of bikes and parts and barns and sheds and I have chased and collected and repaired and customized and met people and saw more stuff and clean out old shops and this magic is in the blood and well, a seller who wanted more than what i felt comfortable in paying was a distastefel annoyance that I became determined was not going to interfere with my fun.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: 1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by sam on 11/16/2007 at 8:01:20 AM
I see Norman ended the sale.Guess it went to a determined owner---sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Norman on 11/16/2007 at 10:21:22 AM
Yes the Marston was withdrawn from Ebay, No I did not sell it. REASON I am the owner NOT the ebay guy who listed it for me. This guy screwed up almost everything about this bike. He keeps changing the shipping fees and tells some people its pickup only then the next people its hundreds of dollars. In fact one time he removed it from ebay then relisted 6 hours later with a totally different item number. Above Joseph added "RIPPE YE OFFE" In no way would I ever do that. I treat people like I would like to be treated. Selling on ebay can not be rocket science so I will set up and sell my own "stuff" in the near future.FYI I own this bike for 40 years. Chris could you please email me so I can ask a few questions?

   RE:AGE / VALUE: 1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Matthew on 11/16/2007 at 10:53:08 AM

as a contributor to this DB I presume you appreciate English Roadsters? That being the case then perhaps you could appreciate us too, the English? Norman has made adequate explanation of what happened and I think that suffices but your comment was uncalled for. The shipping costs from UK to the USA (or anywhere else come to that) can be prohibitive. I was quoted 300 to ship a Moulton to Japan which caused the buyer to back out and I didn't leave him bad feedback. Shopping for shipping can raise a bargain deal but one needs to take care that the goods will be well treated en route. No point shipping cheaply if the goods arrive damaged.

Please try to avoid remarks which might cause offence.

Matthew - as English as Manchester rain.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: 1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by David Poston on 11/16/2007 at 3:31:41 PM
I happen to be a proud owner of a 1932 Royal Sunbeam. This one was from Cycles of Yesteryear. I think it cost abuot $300 to ship it over the pond, and about $1000 all told. This was about 3 years ago. Now, it's even more expensive. I think I'm one of few proud Sunbeam owners on this side of the pond. Yeah, it's a 22" frame on 26" wheels (one of the newfangled, low-built Sunbeams), but it's still a Sunbeam. Yes, it's undergone a repaint of the frame with new transfers but it is in nearly perfect condition. Yes, the chain rubs the gearcase occasionally, but I guess you live with it. I listed it for sale on this board a few months ago but changed my mind. My wife talked me out of it: "David, it's a Sunbeam!"

I'll try to post a link to pics of this bike. I think a couple of you may have seen them.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by David Poston on 11/16/2007 at 3:36:21 PM

Speak of the devil, here's the real deal! 28" frame on 28" wheels! Epicyclic gear!

Again, the shipping cost is prohibitive and the frame way too tall for me, but someone else get this one!


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Chris on 11/16/2007 at 3:36:36 PM
I think Joseph was rather correct in cautioning me that my particular attitude of: damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead, I want it, no matter what isn't exactly wise and it has led to me getting ripped off, albeiet willingly by my own self. He was not referring to you or this particular bike, just that I myself, should probably play it more cool and calm, in my own shopping.

I doubt that a Sunbeam bicycle owner would rip any body off. They, like the bikes themselves, are first rate gentleman.
Norman, I am sorry your sellers agent messed this one up and I think it should have been listed and just see how hight it would have gone without being pulled and re- listed.

Shipping costs from the U.K. to the States are high sometimes very high and it's not easy to set up from the sellers side of it, it varies between companies and customs is a hassle and there is the fear of damage but the truth is, the bike the U.K. owner can find at the kerb or for a very low price that same bicycle can be parted out and/ or sold whole to somebody and you'd be surprised what some crazy person might pay. People are crazy for these bikes. You only need find one person to wire the funds thru and buy it.

Remember these were world renown and the name still carries magic. This is the bicycle equivilent of Rolls Royce or Bentley. Also, I think that Raleigh, who owned the Sunbeam name in the end, were damned fools not to better exploit and market bikes with the Sunbeam name. Instead the name faded away on a b grade line of Raleigh's. Like all the rest of companies and names. Sunbeam was special, perhaps the most special.
I hope my comments were not detrimental. This is a museaum quality bike and before e- bay these were not at all common or painless to acquire.

So many incredible bikes are not being sold because of high shipping and so many of them are listed as local pick up only where they won't pack and ship it for you and that is the greatest tragedy. Collectors and devotees don't get the bikes in the end but rather it winds up in a skip.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Chris on 11/16/2007 at 3:43:07 PM
Norman, my e- mail is: humberchristopher29@hotmail.com but your questions can be posted here as well. I am not the Southern Vetrans Cycle Club marque enthiusiest for Sunbeam bikes. However I want to help.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Joseph on 11/17/2007 at 12:30:25 PM
Matthew --
Yes, I like English Roadsters, but I don't know what that has to do with the English people. Being of Irish descent, I'm not particularly wild about them.
I was only warning potential bidders to check out the shipping fees. It should not cost $176 to ship a bicycle from Point A to Point B in this country (USA). God knows what it would cost to send it back to England.
Joseph -- as American as Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by chris on 11/17/2007 at 1:11:56 PM
The English roadster bicycle is as much Irish as English. I have a picture book on old Ireland and everyplace they had tall frame, 26 inch frame, 28 inch wheel, rod brake Raleigh bicycles.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by David Poston on 11/17/2007 at 4:25:10 PM

This one takes the cake! 30" FRAME!


   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 11/19/2007 at 3:25:40 AM
[quote] As I can only please insanity. [/quote]

Now why is it, I wonder... out of this entire discussion... THAT little gem of utter brilliance seems to jump off the screen at me?

Perhaps... because I can so instantly identify with it????


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Norman on 11/19/2007 at 6:01:01 AM
Everybody, I am learning more about Sunbeams everyday. JW from Scotland suggested my Golden might be a 1912 from the frame number and "Stepped" Newill hub? Also on the middle of the rear fender in gold letters its marked "SUN BEAM CYCLE DEPT. 158 SLOANE STREET LONDON S.Y. Also the saddle has a beautiful brass tag marked "BROOKS". AND do not laugh at this but after I had the bike for 40 years I found a cute little oil can hiding under the seat marked "SUNBEAM" I never knew it was there. I must know exactly what I have before I sell it so I do not mislead anyone. Question, how did someone park this bike it does not have a stand or is it missing?
Joseph I appreciate your cautionary comment above and can understand why because you never know who is out there.
THINGS I learned, Old bicycle guys seem like real nice people and enjoy their hobby.
I wonder what IKE and MONTY would say about our worldwide discussion?

   RE:AGE / VALUE: 1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Matthew on 11/19/2007 at 2:32:10 PM


I am not too big to admit when I have been churlish and I apologise for any offence I may have caused you. I can understand with your ancestry that you would have good cause not to find my home country your favourite nation. I have never been more ashamed to be English than when I stayed with my friends in County Louth and then visited the site of the Battle of the Boyne. I was all the more shame faced because my distant ancestors were King Billy's men. In that respect I have nothing to be proud of.

However we do have a common bond, bicycles, and as Chris mentioned, most fellow cyclists are gents (and ladies).
I do hope you will continue to contribute here as shall I and let bicycles be to the fore.

Matthew - still English, like Thames estuary fog!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Bryan on 11/19/2007 at 3:38:47 PM
All is well that ends well.

What a beautiful bike.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Joseph on 11/19/2007 at 6:12:53 PM
Matthew --
You're a good guy, and you're right, despite you being English and me being of Irish descent, we have bikes in common. There's nothing like a good old Raleigh Sports with a nice Brooks saddle.
Beatles forever!!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Chris on 11/26/2007 at 9:27:51 AM
Like I said these bicycles are literally magical thread, that is woven through the fabric of England and Ireland alike.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: 1907 John Marston Bicycle posted by Joe on 12/28/2007 at 1:21:00 PM
Does anybody know where I could get a Sunbeam appraised? It was given to me by a neighbor, and it's in perfect riding condition with all original components. There are small spots of rust in certain spots, but other than that it's in perfect condition. If any idea, please email me at ToTheStreetsNYC@gmail.com