AGE / VALUE:   Mens Hercules Royal Prince posted by: Chris on 12/16/2007 at 9:47:09 PM
Hi, we have a Mens Hurcules 'Royal Prince' and are wondering about the age and value.
The rear hub says:
B Type 5
Manufactured by Hurcules Cycle and Motor Co.
Birmingham, England
The Chain Ring has 3 'H's
See attached picture. Thanks!


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mens Hercules Royal Prince posted by Chris on 12/16/2007 at 9:58:52 PM
Obviously new at this... the photo link above goes to all the photos... the hercules is number 41... here is a link to the Hercules specifically. There's also a picture of the head badge.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Mens Hercules Royal Prince posted by David on 12/17/2007 at 3:06:48 PM
When did Raleigh absorb Herc? This is pre-that. Nice chainwheel, but there's not a whole lot left besides that!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Mens Hercules Royal Prince posted by Warren on 12/17/2007 at 6:21:28 PM
Raleigh absorbed Hercules in 1960. That frame looks like 50's but the badge is the later model It has Raleigh pattern brakes and I've seen that chainwheel on other "newish" Hercs. Post Bi-furcated forks era.

I'll wager it's late 50's. An original Hercules frame dressed up with some Raleigh parts. Still would have 24 tpi fork and bottom bracket.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Mens Hercules Royal Prince posted by Warren on 12/18/2007 at 5:21:40 PM
Sorry...Bi-furcated forks were Humbers...doh

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Mens Hercules Royal Prince posted by Chris on 12/20/2007 at 9:39:41 AM
The above picture shows my crankset!
This is the very crankset I have in my BSA paratroper bicycle. These parts especially the bottom bracket spindle fit perfectly. Kind of depressing to have Hercules parts on the BSA but the spindle and cranks were new and they fit like a glove and now I have real pedals and not sliding rods.

AGE / VALUE:Forever roadster posted by: Mark R. on 12/15/2007 at 4:33:24 PM
About seven years ago, or so I sold someone here at Oldroads my Forever roadster bike. I have an interest in buying it back if the party is interested in doing so. Please e-mail me if you still have the bike, and still come to Oldroads. thanks, Marko

AGE / VALUE:Raleigh LT3 posted by: Joe on 12/15/2007 at 1:07:06 AM
I came across a pretty clean bike today, not sure of it's age as the hub date is not all there and I can't find a serial number.
The chain guard says Raleigh LT-3 Its pretty clean, says Made In England on the top tube as most others, has the normal other decal treatment and is the same tone of black as my other Raleigh built bikes.
The rear reflector is the plastic type but not the large one that was used on the later models. It is a bit larger than the one on my 1966 bike. The shifter has a black plastic cover, the rear hub is plain and doesn't have all the fancy lines like most later versions. The crankset looks the same as my 1968 Sports, the rims are not Raleigh pattern or shaped rims, they are plain looking Dunlop rims. The tires are original Raleigh and say made in England on them too.
I don't think I've ever seen the LT3 model designation before. It looks like maybe a lower model more like a Robin Hood or similar bike.
The best part is that its a tall frame, 24" and its clean. The only damage on the whole bike is what looks like a nail hole in the top of the seat where a board was laying across it and a dented chain guard, it looks like it may have gotten caught on someones pant cuff. I can straighten it to the point its not noticable. The rest of the bike isn't even scratched and there's a Lucas cyclometer that works and is reading 24 miles. Its clean enough that I would say thats probably the most it's been ridden. It was in a fallen down garage that was about to be demolished with several other really clean newer bikes that were all somehow protected enough that they didn't get damaged by either weather or the falling roof. I bought it home, pumped up the tires, gave it a couple drops of oil here and there and it rides great. I'll take it apart for a proper service and cleaning when I get a chance. I am sure this will look almost new when I'm done.
I stopped at a yard sale next door to where I found them, they were about to pull the building down with a pickup when I noticed the Raleigh sitting in the back corner amongst several other bikes. When I asked if they were going to take the bikes out before dropping the building they said that if I wanted anything out of the building I'd better hurry and get it before they drop it to the ground.
I ran in twice taking four bikes in all. There were a few others but all were department store bikes that looked pretty rough. The Raleigh and two others were in really good shape. It was a shame that they were tearing down the building they were in, it was a 20's era garage with a really neat split roll-in garage door and old lapstrake siding. A tree had fallen on one corner and they were razing it in favor of a steel shed.

I was just glad to find it, and it was a freebie to boot. Larger frames in these bikes seem to be a rare find for some reason. Most are pretty short frames.
Does anyone know when the LT3 was made?

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh LT3 posted by Warren on 12/15/2007 at 6:59:56 AM
Maybe it's an LTD? That was the entry level Sports model in the 60's/70's.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh LT3 posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 12/15/2007 at 10:55:20 AM
LT3... If it's NOT an LTD3 then I say it's a bit uncommon. I have an Holland built LTD3 in the stable and it's quite clean too. Though of the smaller frame.

Sounds like a find! Another "Rescued Roadster" is always a good thing.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh LT3 posted by Joe on 12/15/2007 at 1:39:28 PM
The whole bike looks like a normal Sports model but the CG reads "Raleigh Lt 3" The Raleigh logo matches those of the early 70's, and the Lt 3 is written half a line below "Raleigh", Its written with an upper case 'L', and lower case 't' then a slight space and the number '3'.
It's black with gold lettering, it has all the detail and pin stripes of a Sports but uses wire fender braces like those on a Robin Hood or similar sub brand.
The headbadge is different than my others I have here. It's a flat Raleigh badge with only the word England on the bottom bar. The others I have here have more of a 3D badge and their more detailed. This is missing the 'All Steel Bicycle" logo thats on my earlier Sports.
The saddle is hard plastic or vinyl over a web of springs, its marked Brooks on the rear. It has white stitched edges.
The bars, stem, cranks, pedals, frame markings are the same as my 1966 Sports. The rear fender logo is different too, it reads the same as the headbadge.
I was surprised to see the Dunlop rims vs. the heavier looking Raleigh style.

It looks like it will clean up to near mint condition, I don't see any scratches or dents other than the CG being crimped a bit on the front lower edge. The tires pumped up and held air over knight and their not even cracked. It still has its metal threaded stems so i would suspect it's even got original tubes. I have a Holland built road bike, thats clearly marked Made In Holland on the seat tube, this still reads Made In England on the top tube.


   RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh LT3 posted by Matthew on 12/16/2007 at 12:49:54 PM
I'm no expert on these models but I do think a similar discussion took place in the last two years on this DB so give the archives a good look. This sounds like one of those seeming anomalies in the Raleigh line up but I think there is a good reason why models like this appear, but I can't remeber what it is.

Matthew - memories are wonderful if you can recall where you put them!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh LT3 posted by Joe on 12/16/2007 at 2:48:55 PM
I did try a search here, but came up with nothing on a Raleigh Lt3. When I first spotted it I thought for sure it was a Sports, when I pulled it from the building I first noticed the Dunlop rims, then the the fact that the rear fender logo looked different, or just not as fancy or bright as what I'm used to seeing. It almost looks like it was made to look older than it is. I then noticed the more modern shifter, with the black plastic bezel, (all my other bikes have either all metal shifters or clear bezels). I glanced down the the headbadge to make sure it said Raleigh when I was loading it and really had to take a second look to make sure it did say England. It's not one of those Huffy year or Raleigh USA badges, but it don't say Nottingham on it. It reads only 'England' on it and the badge is stamped and has only slight indentations, sort of like how a coin is stamped. You can feel the impressions on the badge but really can't see them. It's made just like the Robin Hood badge on my '66. The odd part is that the top frame tube still says Made in England, as most did, and down at the base of the seat tube there's a tubing ID decal, not the Made in Holland decal that I had expected.
I didn't notice the chainguard saying Lt3 till I got home.
I would say its newer than my others simply due to the slightly larger rear fender reflector which has a white plastic looking housing too. The reflector looks like the one on the Sports model at in the 1976 catalog.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh LT3 posted by Warren on 12/16/2007 at 5:29:06 PM
There's nothing wrong with the Dunlop rims. They were spec on the entry level and rebrands that Raleigh produced. I would think it was made for a foreign market. Sounds like a good solid Sports.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh LT3 posted by Joe on 12/17/2007 at 2:04:13 AM
I went back to where I found the bike today, both to see if there were any other bikes that they wanted to get rid of and maybe to find out the story on this one and where it came from.
The owner of the house said that they he had brought the bike here with him when he moved from San Diego in the late 80's, he said he had bought it when he was in the Navy, but couldn't remember where, but he did say he was stationed at a shipyard and never went to sea, so chances are it was bought near or on a US base, he said it was 'near new' when he got it, and that he bought it from someone that had just been discharged, so it could have been bought anywhere. After hearing that, I'd say the chances of it being built for somewhere other than the US is pretty good. There's a good chance that it got brought back by another serviceman and it could have been bought just about anywhere.

I did get some other odds and ends, including a brand new matching rear rack and a Rampar light set that works off of batteries. He said he could never figure out how the headlight mounted. The bike does not have the normal headlight bracket below the stem for some reason, but it does have an extra thick washer there to make up that space.
I got a better look at it today but the rain kept me from really doing anything to it. All I was able to do is to get it into the garage and hung up for now.

I also noticed today that the fender braces pedal frames, as is the seat frame and springs. They are all original parts and look normal other than the fact that they are painted to match. They look like they came that way, not like someone painted them. It also does not have the normal tire pump pegs as do my other Sports models. (My non-Raleigh bikes all have clamp on pegs). This has neither, and no sign of any ever being there. It does use the normal Raleigh forks, not the shouldered crown type on most off brand Raleigh bikes.
I sat this next to my Rabin Hood and several other Sports models and a mint clean AMF Hercules I have here, and the Lt3 looks most like the '66 Robin Hood other than the rear reflector. When I get it all cleaned up I'll try to get a picture up of it, but its been raining here all weekend.
I actually can't wait to take it for a test ride. I've been looking for a really clean Raleigh to go with my other bikes, up till now, all the Raleigh branded bikes I've found were either really rough or smaller frames. This is as tall as my Robin Hood and my '68 Sprite.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:Raleigh LT3 posted by Bryan on 12/18/2007 at 9:28:29 AM
You mention the rear hub is plain.... Is it a Sturmey Archer hub? It should have a date stamp.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Raleigh LT3 posted by Joe on 12/19/2007 at 2:21:44 PM
The hub is a Sturmy Archer, but it doesn't have all the extra lines and engravings in it that most newer SA hubs had. The Date stamp is very vague and incomplete. All I can sort of make out is what looks like a 'T'. I have others that are blank where most have the date stamp too, but all are the newer style hub shell. The hub shell on this looks like the one on my 1966 Robin Hood. It's either just a poorly stamped hub or maybe an undated replacement shell?
Looking at the bike overall, I'd say its not likely ever been changed, everything looks pretty much untouched.
My bike looks pretty much like a mans version of the ladies LTD that someone posted above, only my chainguard reats Lt 3 and the decals on the cg are farther forward, the decal ends well into the curved part of the cg.

MISC:pair of bikes on ebay posted by: Joe on 12/12/2007 at 12:11:44 AM
Found this on ebay, not mine:

AGE / VALUE:Drake 3 Wheeler posted by: Tracy Owens on 12/9/2007 at 3:34:05 PM
Hi, I purchased a very clean DRAKE made in England 3 wheeler 3 speed bike at a local auction in IOWA, It was last licensed in 1969, It is very nice and has a Burris tag on the rear axel, Can you tell me more about this wonderful bike and a value. Thanks so much, It is red in color and labeled Drake in several places