AGE / VALUE:   Is there a need for this BB tool? posted by: Mark Stonich on 1/15/2007 at 12:55:08 PM

Is there a need for a specific tool for BB cups that have small 5/8" flats on the side surfaces?

They can be almost impossible to remove, especially the ones on English 3 speeds.

I have a prototype tool that will remove a 3 speed's fixed cup, no matter how tight it is. Even those the discontinued Kingsbridge tool or Sheldon Brown's oversize bolt won't remove. It's also useful for the adjustable cup.

If I can determine there is enough interest, I'll get a batch made.
If you are interested, drop me an email. I'm not asking for a commitment or anything, just trying to gauge interest.

Thank You

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Is there a need for this BB tool? posted by Chris on 1/15/2007 at 1:35:53 PM
Yes! Yes. There is a need!
Excellent idea. Go ahead.
People get defeated and leave the old worn out fixed cups in the bike they get so discouraged and also to my amazement, many, many folks have not heard of Sheldon Brown and some of these are bike people like mechanics and such. Sheldon's been around a long time done a lot of good work and articles going way back and still people say to me Sheldon who?
There is a definite need for this tool in this game.
I had one made up and have worn it out.

Also, we need new, good quality replacement bottom bracket cups to replace what this tool removes.
I have written about this before here. Original n.o.s.cups are almost impossible to find. I was stunned to learn that some shops in the U.K. ask for your old worn cups and they grind them and send them back to you!

The bottom bracket is the most important area in the bike to overhaul. This particular grey colored little fixed cup is the most important bearing surface in the whole bike and most all of us are riding with the original factory fitted cup still in place because lets face it, how may of us have the tool to remove a worn out one and just as few of us have the spares.

This is a long wearing part, don't get me wrong, but nothing beats a bike with cups and cones and ball races that are not worn down.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Is there a need for this BB tool? posted by David on 1/16/2007 at 8:54:42 AM
I don't see what its advantage is over Sheldon Brown's nut and bolt arrangement.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Is there a need for this BB tool? posted by Pete on 1/16/2007 at 1:17:48 PM
Looks to be just what I need.I had to give up after several hours of abusing mine (including heating,which since I painted it is now not an option) I think if I had this I would be in with a chance.And it would be nice to have it right.
Also could someone confirm that on my 1934 Raleigh the fixed side is a left hand thread?
Cheers Pete.


   RE:AGE / VALUE: Is there a need for this BB tool? posted by Mark Stonich on 1/16/2007 at 2:00:28 PM
I'm cheap, I'm lazy and friction has its limits.

If the bolt idea always worked, no matter how tight the fixed cups were, I'd never have bought a Kingsbridge tool. (Finer threads = more pressure and therefore more friction)

If the Kingsbridge tool had never let me down, I wouldn't have bothered to make a different tool.

If you've never come across a fixed cup that the bolt couldn't remove, good for you. And you are probably in the majority. But enough people have, that I've already gotten sufficient positive feedback to go for a batch of 40 units. Based on the latest estimates of world population, if 1 person per 164,255,682 needs the tool, I'll sell them all.

That may seem a silly way to look at it. But, thanks to the internet and PayPal, if only a microscopic fraction of a percent of people need your product, that's still a lot of potential customers. I've only sold about 250 shortened cranksets, and about 110 cotter presses, yet they have gone to 45 states and 23 countries.


   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Is there a need for this BB tool? posted by Chris on 1/16/2007 at 2:46:03 PM
Mark is doing exactly what I want to do. He's not just talking but he's doing. I wish I could knock out some tools and sell them, but I am busy with other things.
Like I said, Go Ahead Mark. There is a market for this tool. I was looking last night at the original Raleigh catalog picture of the tool that Raleigh made long, long ago to remove this fixed bottom bracket cup. The original tools are hens teeth and nobody has gotten a usable tool out there into the hands of the vintage bike crowd.

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE: Is there a need for this BB tool? posted by Chris on 1/16/2007 at 2:52:09 PM
When he writes that friction has it's limits, he's dead on correct.
I remember it slipping and the cup stayed in place.
We need the tool to be of really hard steel. The tool I had made up was not tough enough. Even though, it was awesome because I did get some removed and I ran around with a grin and was pulling out fixed cups from my bikes while my friend stood there. Go ahead mark.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Is there a need for this BB tool? posted by Pete on 1/16/2007 at 5:06:04 PM
I want one now! I have been contemplating this problem for months.....Nothing worse than having a pretty bike you aint happy with mechanically.Please someone tell me is my old raleigh left hand thread for the fixed side(I don't wanna give it too much more welly to find out I was going the wrong way)
Good luck with your tool I hope and believe it does well.


WANTED:   Tire Pump posted by: Evan Gorton on 1/13/2007 at 9:29:40 AM
Looking for a tire pump that will fit in the welded lugs on a 1970's Raleigh Sport 3spd ( approx 15 3/4" long) schrader type valve. I have an aluminum pump, made in England (appox 12 3/4")presto valve, if anyone needs one.


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Fleet Wing from England posted by: JZ on 1/12/2007 at 9:40:33 PM
I just aquired a 1961 Fleet Wing Roadster from England. 3 speed with a Sturmey-Archer rear hub.
Where can I find info about this. Haven't seen it anywhere yet.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Fleet Wing from England posted by Ed on 1/14/2007 at 8:20:42 PM
I had one with chrome fenders and a presstube minor rack. This also had a oil port on the bottom bracket. The serial number started with a JM for the retailer Jordan Marsh dept. store. This was Raleigh made. I thought it was about 59. I don't have it any more. Ed

FOR SALE:   Raleigh Folder Bicycle on Ebay posted by: Ed on 1/12/2007 at 5:18:55 AM
Item # 300068677253 Very good condition. Original 20 X 1 3/8 tires. Listed by OLDMANBIKE. This auction closes on sunday 1/21/07. Thank You Ed

AGE / VALUE:   Royal Enfield Firefly posted by: mark on 1/10/2007 at 6:31:56 PM
Hi, I just picked up a Royal Enfield Firefly road bike. It has a rear flip flop hub. What years did they make this model. What are they worth in Fair condition? I did my normal research on E Bay past and present and found nothing. Thanks in advance for any info.