ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   for sale posted by: paul kuzichev on 1/21/2007 at 8:04:07 PM
True classic 28" mens pashley roadster 3 speed bike.Excellent condition.725.00 U .S. dollars.No shipping

AGE / VALUE:   The bicycle Thief on D.V.D. posted by: Chris on 1/21/2007 at 12:45:24 PM
Darn good movie. Highly recommended and not to be missed!
Standing in line begging with the other men the fellow gets a job offer. He needs a bike to cycle about and hang up movie posters. So he asks the wife for a little money to get the bicycle out of loan. She takes the bedsheets some of which are new and sells them. They manage to scrape up enough to get the bike out of hock. Things look up! He works until the bike is stolen. With no bike he's unable to work. The poor fellow goes looking for the bike and trying to nab the thief and find the stolen bike so he can get back to work and save the family. They go looking in the market place and there are bikes everyplace and parts and he confronts one fellow who is about to brush paint the bike only it's not his bike as the serial numbers do not match. This good, hardworking fellow sinks so low and to finally steal a bike himself. Being a simple decent fellow and not a thief with an accomplice and a master plan.
He gets caught immediately and we see the despair in his son's eyes. The owner and the policeman who decend on him immediately give him the proper grief in front of a whole assembled crowd. The owner seeing what a sorry mess the poor man is lets him go and declines to press charges. The movie ends about there.
He does not find his bike. There is no happy ending. The movie ends abruptly as if the time for our visit with him and his world full of problems is over. The movie is in Italian with subtitles.

I sat there crying for the guy. Saying: "Somebody give that man a bicycle" Excellent movie but one I can only watch once.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Ulster Sports posted by: Tom on 1/18/2007 at 10:20:27 PM
I have what I think is a Rudge Ulster Sports Model 121, mens bike. The bike has been repainted rattle can red. I have the 1952 Rudge catalog and the Ulster Sports is the only bike close to it. Mine is a 51 or 52, I don't remember what year the hub is. The bike has drop bars, Rudge hand crank, sports steel pedals, 26 x 1 1/4" wheels, the brazed-on pully attachment, headlamp stem clip. The bike came to me with no mudguards. The catalog says it comes with a fixed/free rear hub or could be ordered with an AW rear hub with front dyno. Mine does have a 3 speed AG hub with the SA lights. The bike may have been ordered with it or put on later. I want to restore the bike but don't have an original paint to go by. It would have been Crimson or Worcester Blue. Does anyone have an original Rudge in these 2 colors. I would like a closeup pic to match the paint to.
I also have what I was told a 1948 Rudge Aero Clubman. My bike has all the original transfers except the 531 transfer is peeled off. The paint has faded from Lustre orange to silver. There is traces of orange where the clamps were. I bought the bike from an antique shop that got it from the estate. I have been looking for info on it and found at Sheldons site the Rudge Aero was made in 1946 and in 1947/48 it was called Rudge Aero Clubman, I have the 47/48 catalog and the downtube transfer is Aero Clubman. My bike has only Rudge Aero which makes me believe it is a 1946 bike. A great bike to ride. The original owner must have been a power rider as the fixrd/fixed gear is 14/16 tooth. I am looking for a 3 pin style crank for it. The one on it is a newer Raleigh style, not 3 or 5 pin. I also need the correct rubber grips for it, also brakes, I only have part of the brakes.
I also have another Rudge, the fully loaded 1952 Rudge De-Luxe Super Safety Tourist. It has the fully enclosed chaincase, 4 speed FG dyno, SA lights with Dyno-Luxe Accumulator unit, original Maroon paint, transfers, rod brakes and locking fork. Theis bike is nice, it has not been touched since I bought it. You can see my bikes here, the Ulster is not there yet. http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m104/oldy57/British%20Bikes/

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Ulster Sports posted by Chris on 1/19/2007 at 8:56:23 AM

I don't understand why somebody did not think to secure the paint formulas when Raleigh took over Rudge or when Raleigh left Nottingham or at any point along the way.

Rudge was world famous. Still is and this color is too famous and popular to be lost in the mist of time. Here this poor fellow is trying to match it. Somebody should be making it. In a can marked Rudge Aero clubman (whatever). Too many years of making this bike too many devotees and collectors and folks who loved these bikes and you are going to tell me that nobody is offering this color that nobody has this paint?

We can find spare parts but none of the original paint is available?
All these executives? trade dinners, shows and nobody ever sat somebody important down and made a deal to buy the rights and secure codes and manufacturing techniques and manufacture this lousy paint so collectors won't go nuts trying to find this paint?
Who do I get drunk and ask questions of?

Raleigh and the others were too well renown ( to borrow the Phillips phrase) not to be able to dial a 1- 800- number and have this paint or any paint send fedex to your door step.

It's like: "Ha- Ha I'm fading off into history now and well.... It's been fun and by the way, ....I'm taking all the goodies you'll need to restore these bikes that we've turned out over the last 100 and plus years with me and so Ta ta. You all are screwed."

Original paint for vintage bicycles. I want the exact colors available. It should not be this difficult. What is the great secret?

I want answers. I am sick of not being able to get a good satisfactory answer.

I want these bikes re- born. Take the old machines and strip and re- plate and with good matching paint re- do it and I want people to tell me that the bike is as nice as they ever were.
Schwinn Pea Picker green is matched exactly.
Why not with British bikes?

Where is this information? Did ALL OF RALEIGH'S PAPER NOTES GO TO THE SKIP?

For heavens sake. Somebody fix this.

This will be the last I will write on this subject of paint until I have news for you all here.


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Ulster Sports posted by Chris on 1/19/2007 at 9:05:55 AM
I am not the only one who loves these old bikes. There are wealthy collectors and this subject of vintage British bicycles is huge with brick buildings that rose up high and spread over large tracts of land.
Thousands and tens of thousands of people employed.
Men, women, young kids. Spread over generations.
Whole sub industries.

Leaf through a old Brown Brothers catalog and look at all those buildings and depots and study this and see how large and varied and vibrant and alive and then look at what is left.

We can't even find paint! This is pathetic.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Ulster Sports posted by Pete on 1/19/2007 at 6:09:50 PM
Take a sample of your original paint to the local paint factor (or your local body/paintshop and have them do it) and get them to have the colour analyzed and they ought to be able to sort you out a suitable colour.Be aware though some old stove enamels are very hard to get an exact match on due to the different properties of modern and older paint types

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Rudge Ulster Sports posted by Tom on 1/20/2007 at 7:04:23 AM
The bike has been repainted and I don't see any traces of old paint under the rattle can red. I will try and scrape some paint and see if any original paint is left.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rudge Ulster Sports posted by Edward in Vancouver on 1/20/2007 at 11:09:25 AM
While I don't have a beauty like yours, I was in a similar situation with my '54 Superbe, two or three coats of Canadian Tire's finest silver spray paint (yech!!!!) hid any clues as to the original colour.

While preparing it for painting, I had a few hints when I removed the BB and headset cups, as well as few smears when I removed the Raleigh "Dimple " and lock from the fork, but I hit paydirt when I removed the rivets holding the (silver spray painted) headbadge: There was a swatch of near-pristine British racing green, a swatch big enough to take to an autobody friend of mine who could match the colour.

It's a lot of work stripping the bike down this far, but if you want a good paint job, it's the only way to go.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rudge Ulster Sports posted by Tom on 1/20/2007 at 1:38:41 PM
Are the rivets still availabe for these old bikes. I have not checked my local hardware stores.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rudge Ulster Sports posted by Edward in Vancouver on 1/20/2007 at 5:05:24 PM
I bought the rivets from Nick at H Lloyd Cycles, England. He has most of the transfers and decals as well.

Everyone has their methods for removing the headbadge, I like to wedge an X-acto or similar type knife under the rivet head and give a gentle whack with a hammer. The rivet, being soft copper, will cut easily.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rudge Ulster Sports posted by Chris on 1/20/2007 at 5:28:28 PM
When Schwinn bicycle (the company) was sold and passed out of the family's control into the hands of the investors who bought it and they turned things around and now the company has been sold two or three times since that time.
They opened up a celler (as the article said) and there behold, before then were the original blueprint diagrams for the Schwinn Black Phantom. They had this material. It was passed on when the company was sold. Company property, so to speak.
Am I to believe that the paint formulas are not similary in a vault, or in a cellar, or with somebody who is safekeeping it. Still...... and today?

Are you telling me it is lost? No? Then Where is it? Who has it? I want answers.

The paint codes on paper, the blueprint diagrams of the bikes equal to, No......Better than and more famous as the Schwinn that did not go around the world, a bike that was more renown the world over. Some- where this material exists. Lets try to get that song: "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" out of our heads right now. Even though it is a nice song.
We cannot restore or do this justice without this material.

I am tired of the only answer being that you should take it to the paint store.
These jobs never come out right that way. I understand that is all we can advise but you all know that we deserve better than that angle.
The corner stone of any Vetrans Club is the Original paint codes and decals but no club has this material or admits to it. It is safe to say that they do not.

Restoration is not cheap, or quick and I want to think that this is original, new, out of a sealed up krate and be told instead that it is a re- spray and that "So and So" worked for the company and that the original notes and codes contributed to this being so exact.

As like with the Schwinn Krate green that I saw before my very eyes.
To heck with the Schwinns, we are talking about the re-birth of the British and yes, Italian vintage cycling. Are your mouths watering yet?
Come on, Dream this dream with me here.

Back in the day, these bikes were more stunning than you remember. Lets get there again today.

It will be a BIG THING when this comes to light. It will be the equivilent of the bike Industrial revolution again when this come to light. It is the secret and key to a massive re-birth and isn't that why we have been involved in this for so long now.

The love of the bike. The look and yes, the way it handles on the path.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rudge Ulster Sports posted by Neal on 1/20/2007 at 7:04:36 PM
If you pull the fork, you will often see traces of the original color on the steerer tube.


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rudge Ulster Sports posted by Tom on 1/21/2007 at 6:47:17 AM
I will pull the fork and check for paint.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rudge Ulster Sports posted by Chris "Surgeon of the rusty bike" on 1/21/2007 at 12:21:42 PM
Best way to get the truest color as the way the bike looked as new is to pull the fork. Match it at the paint store.
Until the miracle I wrote about happens.

As for removing the headbadge rivits. After the fork is pulled you take a long thin screw driver and stick it down the inside of the bikes frame from the inside and you knock the rivits off. Just whack the screw driver and shear off the ends of the rivits from the inside and then gently lift off the headbadge from the outside.

The thing is not to damage that headbadge. So patience is required.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rudge Ulster Sports posted by Tom on 1/23/2007 at 5:07:14 PM
I did some work on the Rudge today. The fork has the same rattle can red paint on it. The BB has red but is too hard to see if it is any different than the can red. I then took the headbadge off and there was the original Crimson paint that has not seen the light of day, 55 years old. Ths crimson tells me it is a Rudge Ulster Sports. It is a bit different than the rattle can red. I can now get a paint to match. The bike won't need too much in new or old stock parts. I now have to decide if I want it as a 3 speed or fixed/free as in the catalog. The catalog also has the AW and front dyno as an option. Mine has the AG 3 speed dyno. What do you guys think I should do.

   RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Rudge Ulster Sports posted by Chris on 1/23/2007 at 6:47:16 PM
I'll bet it is beautiful, lovely shade of crimson too.

   RUDGE WHITWORTH RACERS posted by MARK WOODS on 2/19/2007 at 10:34:27 AM
I am trying to find out information about Willy Wiltshire (Wilshire?) who rode the 4 valve Rudge in the 50s / 60s. He wore a distinctive helmet in black and yellow, like a bee, and raced many circuits. Does anyone know what number he raced with? or does anyone have any images of Willy racing??



AGE / VALUE:   Good Roadster movie posted by: sam on 1/18/2007 at 8:56:33 PM
Check your movie store for the movie "Her Majesty" a must for roadster fans.Set in 1953 New Zeland.--sam

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Good Roadster movie posted by Jeff on 1/27/2007 at 9:12:31 AM
Directv channel 533, 6pm central, 4/31/07

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Good Roadster movie posted by Jeff on 1/27/2007 at 9:13:43 AM
Sorry, 1/31/07

AGE / VALUE:   Shimano Nexus on e- bay posted by: Chris on 1/18/2007 at 6:56:07 PM
Forgot to give the item #
Seller is: Lovefunsailing