AGE / VALUE:   Sports saddle posted by: Brian on 1/31/2007 at 1:24:00 PM
Can anyone confirm what saddle came originally on a 59 raleigh sports? My bike has an unoriginal lycett saddle on it (b72 style). I'm pretty sure that I have read that the Brooks B66 was what they came with until the 60's when the B72 was fitted.

I'd like to get a B66 in brown anyway, but was just curious about originality.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sports saddle posted by Chris on 1/31/2007 at 4:27:04 PM
Not every Raleigh Sports came out of the packing box with a Brooks Leather or even a lesser brand Leather saddle.
Many came with vinal/ plastic top saddles also ones with fake leather.

The next step up would be a Wrights or Middlemores, or other brands of leather Saddles.
It is safe to say that the Brooks B- 72 is the basic leather saddle that these bikes came with. Then if you wanted more comfort they moved you up to the full spring model and that is a B- 66. On then on to a B- 30. For a heavy rod brake roadster you went up to the B/90/3 .

I think to answer your question the original as fitted factory leather saddle is the b/72.
Still, you are going to ride this bike so go with the better leather seat. Go with a B66.
You'll be delighted!

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Sports saddle posted by Mark Stonich on 1/31/2007 at 8:31:52 PM
A friend has a '59 Sports that has been in her family since new. She thinks the B-72 on it was OEM.

'58 and '62 catalogs are online at

According to the catalogs, which aren't always reliable at least as US market bikes are concerned. - In '58 there wasn't a DL22 Sport but there was was a "Superbe Sport" that was a little different and came with a B-66. In '62 the Sport came with a B-72.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sports saddle posted by Matthew on 2/1/2007 at 11:35:12 AM
Hi Brian, Chris and Mark, plus everyone else,

We all love a Brooks for looks but I don't favour the ride. I had a lovely old B66 on a GPO bicycle but it would make me sore on any ride over 6 miles.

Lycette, Dunlop and Terry all made good quality saddles which were original fitments on most leading makes. My sister's 54' All Steel had a triple spring Terry's saddle which was very comfortable. The three springs also provided a musical accompaniment to a ride. It was the original fitment. Lycettes can be a little hard and flat but they look the part on many major makes. Certainly plenty of Hercs had them.

My saddle of choice is modern, it works well with my diminutive behind and I can do 50+ miles a day on it. i move it from bike to bike as required. I know folks who do the same with a favourite Brooks' too.

None of the above sorts out what you should have on the sports.

Matthew - blazing trails.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sports saddle posted by Chris on 2/1/2007 at 12:14:27 PM
There was horehair stuffed into some of the non leather types. A saddle is a personal thing, and once you find a comfortable one that suits you it's wonderful. Sometimes it takes trying them on before you find one that is perfect for you.
Forget what is original, go with whatever makes you happiest. They are not all alike.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sports saddle posted by Craig McNeil on 2/1/2007 at 5:24:46 PM
I have three bikes equiped with Terry saddles as Warren mentioned above. Two have triple coils and one is a 1920's version twin coil. I can confirm that although each one weighs as much as a mini cooper they are comfy horse hair stuffing and all. I can also confirm that they do squeak but that's a part of of the charm. Hey! isn't that a Terry saddle on the 1946 EBAY Raleigh that caused such a commotion below. Sure looks like it! Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Craig McNeil - I'm squeaking in the rain, just squeaking in the rain ...(sung to the tune of, well you know:-)

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sports saddle posted by Craig McNeil on 2/1/2007 at 5:59:32 PM
Oops! A thousand apologies. I meant Matthew not Warren in this post. Warren was the name from the referenced post below.

Craig McNeil - Red Faced!!

   RE:RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Sports saddle posted by chris on 2/1/2007 at 6:47:52 PM
horse hair. I'm fighting off a stroke it seems.

The carpet padding I pulled up in the house was horse hair too.

WANTED:   Frame needed posted by: Mark on 1/30/2007 at 6:22:01 PM
I've got eye on a pile of parts from a '67 ladies Robin Hood. It looks like my chance to cobble together a bike. I need a 19" mens frame as old as possible and some other stuff. A rod braker would be nice but I'm sure I'm dreaming. Would you guys look in your piles of parts to see what you might part with. I'm in Texas so we will need to be mindful of shipping costs. BTW, I'm not one of those guys who would do something like pass off a cobbled together bike as an original like those who fix up old Tempests and sell them as GTOs. I seldom see anything old Raleigh in my part of the world now. I'll let you know when I'm ready to purchase. Thanks, Mark

AGE / VALUE:   Sturmey-Archer TCW posted by: john on 1/30/2007 at 2:17:19 PM
Was rummaging thru some junk the other day and came across a 26" wheel with a SA TCW 3 speed coaster brake hub.I'd like to use the wheel on a project I'm working on, but does anyone know if I need a special tire for this one or will a run of the mill 26 1 3/8" tire work? Apparently the TCW wasn't highly thought of, but the bike I want put it on will most like get gentle use. Any comments on tire compatibility would be appreciated. Thanks. john

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Sturmey-Archer TCW posted by Aaron on 1/30/2007 at 7:37:30 PM
Depends on what the Rim came off of. Look for Schwinn marking S-6 if not a regular 26x1-3/8 should fit. Also check out Sheldon Brown's page on tire sizing.


AGE / VALUE:   Hercules Skyliner posted by: Aaron on 1/29/2007 at 5:28:33 PM
I have just acquired a small ladies frame Hercules. It has a single speed freewheel, with rod brakes. Frame size appears to be around 17". It has the round head badge with HC on it over a wheel. Any ideas as to the age and history of the bike? It strongly resembles the Raleigh Colt in it's geometry. Anybody seen this model in a catalog? Or even seen one before?


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Showroom Raleigh on ebay posted by: Warren on 1/29/2007 at 5:05:05 PM
If you could only have one mens roadster, this one would do nicely...

item 120080851787

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Showroom Raleigh on ebay posted by Jeff on 1/30/2007 at 2:26:27 PM
You know when you post bicycles from Ebay on Old roads before auctions end you increase the chances of people having to pay triple what a bike is worth, but I only care because I had my eye on that one. I sure the seller thanks you.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:à®à›howroom Raleigh on ebay posted by Chris on 1/30/2007 at 4:28:32 PM
Mine is just like this one, only mine is a 28 inch wheel version.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Showroom Raleigh on ebay posted by Mark on 1/30/2007 at 6:21:52 PM
These things always happen when there's no money.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Showroom Raleigh on ebay posted by Warren on 1/31/2007 at 11:57:32 AM
I'm sorry you think that ebay auctions are off-topic. This list (and the other 3 lists I participate in) all discuss ebay auctions because they are often relevant to the group's interests. If you think that the outing of auctions should be restricted, then please take it up with Vin, the listmeister or ask the group as a whole what they think. I'll go with the majority but it would be a hard thing to police. I think many collectors like to be notified when something interesting shows up. Of course sometimes, you need deep pockets.

I'd value that roadster high, at around $600. To suggest that it could make $1500 to $2000 because of my outing is a stretch. Nor could it slip thru the cracks and go for $200. It hasn't even made reserve yet. Any serious collector who is in the market for nice english bikes goes to ebay's Bicycle Collectibles category and enters, "Raleigh" or "Sturmey" or "roadster" in the search engine at least once or twice a week.(am I giving away too many secrets here?) They don't go to Oldroads Roadster Discussion Group to wait and see what Warren has found today.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Showroom Raleigh on ebay posted by Warren on 1/31/2007 at 12:07:54 PM
I forgot to add that the auction is also a premium marquee style of listing that shows up near the top and beginning of any collectible bicycle search. This ensures that the auction gets maximum exposure. It's how I noticed it.

On second thought, I think that bike might make more than $600. It's some sweet.

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Showroom Raleigh on ebay posted by Chris on 1/31/2007 at 4:54:07 PM
have yet to look and see where it's at now
E- bay is how we find these things these days. Mostly. We all watch it and comment on things here.

Basically, today, it is the only way we find these bikes at all.

The old shops with the old stocks are mostly all gone.
We rarely see these bikes at garage sales or estate sales.
People have sold, or thrown them already or they are in hands of folks who will not sell it at all. Or they sold them years ago.

It does not make any difference if this was mentioned here or not because we all read e- bay's bike listings every day, several times a day and we all are interested in this bike. Bidding? maybe not- but we are watching and enjoying the pictures at least. Sorry but there is HUGE interest in these. A huge following. These bikes are hugely popular and collectable and well loved around the whole world. There will be compettition in any bike auction and it does not make your job of trying to find one at a lower price more difficult if it is mentioned here or not because due to the popularity of these it's already being watched. The secret is out, has been for years, and the internet has just made it more easy to find these. These bikes already were commanding these prices before the net was invented.
If anything, e- bay drives the prices down because we all compare this bike against another for best quality. Where as, before the net we accepted what we could find without any static because if there was any static given to the seller then it went to somebody else who was waiting and would pay cash. These have wonderful rides. Legendary feel, legendary quality, legandary looks.
This is like a dog show now. We sit and judge and pick apart and discuss and this bike is a prize winning dog or in this case, bicycle. The Raleigh is the throughbred of bicycles. A pure breed with papers.

In the bike game we (and I hate this term, but it is said by many bike folks) we say that this bike is: "unmolested" .
That means not ridden much, no parts replaced or switched, not mended and very well cared for.

This was obviously very well preserved, original, indoor stored, and barely ridden.

Because of this level of original quality, it will go higher than expected. It'll go out of the range of a lot of us here and that will be a bitter pill.

We remember finding these before a garage sale seller could open up the lap top and do a completed auction search or before some busy body said " Put it up on e- bay" and ruined our fun.
I understand what you mean, we all feel that way but in the way this is played it's already a secret out of the bag.
I have heard good and bad said about e- bay at the swap meets but never somebody upset that a bike on e- bay was being discussed and therefore the price would go higher.
It will anyways.

These bikes are delightful to ride. That alone gets a person hooked. Then the looks and aura and mojo of the thing. This is a truely magical thing.

Personally, You only go through life once so scrape it up, beg, borrow and just buy the lovely thing.
You won't be sorry.

That lovely rare rear decal on the mudguard makes the final price worthwhile. True beauty!

Just don't allow any dents in those luscious mudguards nor the enclosed chainguard.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Showroom Raleigh on ebay posted by Craig McNeil on 2/1/2007 at 2:59:09 PM
3 days to go!
The high bid is currently $430!
There have been 29 bids so far!
Bidder 11 has upped his bid 6 times since he became high bidder and the reserve has still not been met!
I demand to know! Did bidder 11 get his tip about this bike from Is he a reader of this board?
Inquiring minds want to know!!
Warren my friend, you are indeed vindicated. Even the reserve is probably high.

Craig McNeil - Happily Riding my Sunbeam, dents and all with tongue in cheek!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Showroom Raleigh on ebay posted by sciencemonster on 2/1/2007 at 5:40:02 PM
Oh, that's a terrible bike! You all should retract your bids while you can. Hurry!

That' the same guy who sold that beautiful Sunbeam a week ago. I wonder what ELSE he has waiting inthe wings!?!?!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Showroom Raleigh on ebay posted by Craig McNeil on 2/1/2007 at 6:04:48 PM
Yes! Everyone retract your bids so I can become Bidder 12!!

Craig McNeil - Always Honorable!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Showroom Raleigh on ebay posted by Matthew on 2/2/2007 at 11:23:36 AM
Evening All,

Well you can all hate me for this but I wouldn't bid on it if it was the guy next door selling it (or any one else local to me). I can't see from the photos that its so special. I would want to see it in the steel before committing £115+ to any bicycle. My tidy but used superbe cost me a tenner ($20 today's money) and its got stainless rims and four speed dyno hub. Pristine it isn't, roadworthy it is and a thing of great joy. If I paid a fortune for it I'd be worried about using it.

In the end we tailor our rides to our pockets and buy what we can afford and what we like. I probably wouldn't buy a Twenty but can see the joy they bring to others. I can't afford a Dursley Pedersen so I won't have one of them either.

Live like you care about life and ride carefully, some one is expecting you home.

Matthew - thoughful after a hectic week at the social work coal face.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Showroom Raleigh on ebay posted by P.C. Kohler on 2/2/2007 at 1:56:56 PM
Well Matthew we don't hate you, but honestly, if you can't see what's so special about what appears to be completely original, mint 1946 Raleigh, I am not sure what would float your boat. I guarantee you'll never find a machine like this in England in this condition. Indeed, I suspect Raleigh exported about 97 per cent of their output in 1946 overseas. This is exceptional in every respect. Really cool full black-out rod brake bits too that transition to semi-chromed by the following year. Fairly described. And worth whatever the highest bid is. Especially if you recall that a DL-1 (Raleigh no. 1 in the UK) cost about $800 in today's money when last offered in the States.

As for not wanting to ride it in this condition, I find that utterly headscratching! Why not? Any bicycle begs to be ridden and this was has been apparently waiting to be ridden for 61 years and counting. I am not sure what you folks do when you ride a bike, but they honestly don't have to be beat to death when you ride them.

Anyway, thanks for the outing. We all like to think we're the only ones watching an eBay auction. I just love that! And, of course, we are among 143 who are.

P.C. Kohler


   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Showroom Raleigh on ebay posted by Chris on 2/4/2007 at 2:45:11 PM

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Showroom Raleigh on ebay posted by Matthew on 2/4/2007 at 3:56:07 PM

I greatly respect your comments (you know that) and I dare say I would be taken by this machine if it were in front of me. Perhaps I am spoilt living here in England. I've seen machinery to melt the hardest heart, most often out of my reach financially. I enjoy unrestored glory far more than pristine powder coating and nickle plating where chrome once shone. My concern over high priced machinery is not that I would wreck it, far from it, but that use in traffic raises the stakes somewhat on survival. I buy machines to ride and ride to enjoy. My cycle ethic has to be 'Can I afford it? Yes! Can I ride it? Yes! Then lts go!'

I thoroughly enjoy this DB and would be rather lost without it. It has been the source of passion, frustration and the meeting of some great and like-minded folks. Long may it continue. [Special thanks to Vin & the Team]

Matthew - not saying it all, at all.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Showroom Raleigh on ebay posted by P.C. Kohler on 2/5/2007 at 7:46:02 AM
Matthew, if you love classic British bikes, get thee to America. Or at least American eBay. Why? Because right after WW2, British companies like Raleigh were obliged to export a substantial quota of their production. And we bought everything that was sent over. But Americans didn't necessarily take to cycling. So you can literally still find 60 year old machines over here in "showroom new" condition. That and our kinder, drier weather makes it far easier to find machines in good, used and original condition. There have been so many examples on eBay lately illustrating this. That and the outrageous (well I think it is!) value of sterling against the dollar makes this side of the Atlantic a happy hunting ground for the UK collector.

Now I need to access this auction and see what the winning bid was...

P.C. Kohler