WANTED:   Looking for a 30s-60s English Roadster posted by: mdh on 1/8/2007 at 3:14:46 PM
Haven't had much luck with eBay lately except for bikes actually from England which they have no desire to ship so I thought I would try here. Im looking for a roadster style bike 30s-60s. Not looking for a rare one-of-a-kind or fully restored but something I can do myself. Prefer a straight frame and fenders and mostly complete. Hoping to find a Raleigh but would entertain other choices if any are presented.


   RE:WANTED:   Looking for a 30s-60s English Roadster posted by Matthew on 1/10/2007 at 2:47:15 PM

Have you enquired into the cost fo shipping bike from the UK? It is prohibitively expensive and not straight forward. It asks a lot of the seller to get a bike safely ready for air or sea freight. It is generally not worthwhile. I have done it but only to Europe and that is trouble enough.

MDH - Thats me too - Matthew (but I'm not mdh)

   RE:WANTED: Looking for a 30s-60s English Roadster posted by mdh on 1/11/2007 at 8:44:52 AM
I haven't actually asked any eBay UK sellers if they would consider it since the majority of their auctions are local pickup only. I have inquired with a few places online and they have said shipping would cost as much as $300. While its a lot, its almost worth it to me at this point as these types of bicycles just don't exist here in the US.

   RE:WANTED:   Looking for a 30s-60s English Roadster posted by Ed on 1/12/2007 at 5:34:51 AM
Please give us an example there may be one of us that would have more than one bicycle that we would part with. Go to Ebay and look at the item number and list it here. Ed

   RE:WANTED: Looking for a 30s-60s English Roadster posted by mdh on 1/12/2007 at 8:33:57 AM
This one is exactly what I am looking for http://www.back2bikes.org.uk/forsale/30.jpg

These are currently on eBay UK.


   RE:WANTED:   Looking for a 30s-60s English Roadster posted by Matthew on 1/16/2007 at 11:09:35 AM
Hi mdh,

How about using your name? Any name? You are amongst friends here. I like your taste in bicycles and think that if you hang around here long enough you will find one.

Matthew - its safe here on a safety.

AGE / VALUE:   Hercules Hawthorne posted by: John on 1/7/2007 at 9:04:17 AM
I've been watching an auction (Not my auction) that I have found interesting because one bicycle from my childhood was the same brand and looked similar. Is this an abberation or have these bicycles all of a sudden caught the eye of collectors. I've been working full time (as a bicycle mechanic) and taking college courses (also full time) for the last year and a half and so have missed much of what has been going on among bicycle collectors. This one is obviously a very nice sample as, according to the one actioning it, it has spent much of its lifetime in a spare bedroom. It is my guess that the high bidders may be antique dealers or those who may have owned or wanted to own this type of bicycle in this color. They have already passed what I would spend on one of these bicycles and appear to be heading for rod brake roadster DL-1 territory of price. Well maybe if I was going to buy just one non rod brake English bicycle I might have bid for it in the range it entering. Is this bicycle entering such a high price range because it carries the usually more pricy Hawthorne name or because it is so close to mint? It's ebay auction number 140070047024.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Hercules Hawthorne posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 1/8/2007 at 3:51:40 AM
It certainly a fine example... farily old judging by the inverted S/A info on the shift trigger. At first glance I thought it was a "Camelback", alas there are two top-tubes akin to a cantelever frame.... sort of... and the formed downtube is certainly different too.

Can't say as to price... certainly, it will command what someone is willing to pay for it.

A hard call to make... yes, it's certainly unique... to a point. Can't recall seeing one precisely like it before. But... just because something is a rarity... does not mean there's a demand.

In such cases, determine what your max price to pay is... bid up to that and if you're outbid, c'est la vie.

Only way to do it. I've $crewed myself a time or two on ebay with "bidding fever".

Best of luck if you go for it!


Larry "Boneman" Bone

MISC:   Brooks saddle care posted by: Matthew on 1/7/2007 at 1:45:41 AM
Hi Folks,

The question of saddle care comes to mind as I have been fortunate enough to accquire a sound but neglected saddle which came with an old Raleigh bitsa bike. The saddle has more history than the bike. It was the original saddle of my friend's father's bicycle, purchased about 51 years ago. The bike was used for many years including my friend using it to get to school and go fishing when his father graduated to a motor scooter and then Reliant three-wheeled cars. Eventually the bike was left to reside in a shed. The owner grew old and after being widowed his health deteriorated until his mind wandered so far that he required residential care. The tied farm cottage he had lived a lifetime in was required by the farm so my friend set about throwing away junk and clearing the worthwhile possessions. He remembered the bike which was now in a sorry state but he knew the saddle was good for many more years. One evening he had all but finished the sad task of clearing up and he told the farmer, 'I just have to sort Dad's bike out tomorrow and I'm done.' The farmer was grateful and said 'Okay!'
Next day my friend returned after a full day at work to find that there was no longer a shed in the cottage garden of his father's old home. He called at the farmhouse and asked what had happened. The farmer was perplexed and said, 'It must be on the bonfire, you had better go and look.' Sure enough next to a large bonfire, ready for a match, was the shed, still locked and unmolested. It had been picked up on the farm fork lift and transported across and along the lane to the farm yard. My friend opened up the shed and found his Dad's bike still in it (he had cleared everything else out). The rims were rotted right through and the tyres had stuck to the floor,perished, but the saddle was fine. He unbolted the saddle, removed the rear rack and consigned the bike remains to the scrap heap.

The saddle did several more years service for my friend, attached to a non-descript Raleigh frame which I supplied. Recently the bike became surplus to requirements, replaced by a modern cheap 'mountain bike'. The salvage came to me and has been a useful source of spares, inc a BSA hub and the Brooks saddle.

The saddle was as dry as a bone almost crisp. I was able to use fine sand paper to clean it and now I'm on a saddle soap regime to try to provide it with some life and lustre. I know the best thing for any saddle is to be ridden and not just admired but how do other folks look after their Brooks's?

Matthew - a Sunday morning rambler.

   RE:MISC:   Brooks saddle care posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 1/7/2007 at 5:53:56 AM
Quite the history, for certain. In fact, I daresay that on the "Antiques Roadshow" the word they would use would be "provenance". ;-)

I recall reading here in the past that there is actually saddle-specific products one can procure. Perhaps from Brooks directly.

If not readily available, firstly, STOP with the saddle soad. It is after all, SOAP... and once you've cleaned it up as best you can, it's now time to re-new the oils, etc., that age has dried up.

For that, I would use the specific stuff... if available, if not linseed oil or "baseball glove" oil methinks would certainly have a salubrious effect. I've also used (on a not-so-dried out seat) MacGuiers Leather Conditioner (Is it sacriligious to use what seems to be a Scots product on a British seat, I wonder?) or Penguin Leather Lotion. Both are completely solvent free. Certainly, solvents or "volatiles" if you were, are to be avoided at all cost.

And of course, after it's drunk it's fill... then get out there are ride on it! Just use caution... it could very well be quite slippery for a time!

Hopefully, there will be information concurring with mine... or better yet, far more edifying and accurate.


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:MISC:   Brooks saddle care posted by Gil on 1/7/2007 at 6:22:21 PM
I believe the Brooks product is called Proofhide. As far as I know, it is still available. Tried to bum <> some off a friend when I was fixing up my 50s Sports around this time last year-he is a Brooks freak, one on every bike he has (many) except the MTBs. As his stock was low, he said get your own can or try Sno-Seal, a beeswax waterproofing treatment for leather boots. Don't know if you have a similar product in the UK, but most camping/outdoor stores have it over here.
Warm the seat gently with a hair dryer, lay the stuff on, warm it again, wipe off the excess, done. I tried it on mine and it still looks great after almost one year.
I still feel like I should get the real product though - it doesn't seem proper to rub off brand boot wax on a 50 year old functional masterpiece

It's not punny,

   RE:MISC:   Brooks saddle care posted by jason on 1/7/2007 at 7:09:43 PM
I found a Ideal saddle at the thrift store a couple weeks ago, about thirty years old, kept in a shed. once I got the bike off it, I went to a farm supply and got a tub of real sheep lanolin. two hours of working that into the leather top and bottom and wow. the cracks are still there, but its ridable and looks good on my Moto.
this may sound strange, but I waterproof my saddle bottoms with beeswax from the plumbing supply. toilet gaskets are 99.9% beeswax with a antibacterial agent. they cost about .99 cents and it seems to work well.


   RE:RE:MISC:   Brooks saddle care posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 1/8/2007 at 3:41:11 AM
Soething about a toilet gasket and a bicycle seat.... certainly pragmatic for sure... lots of odd thoughts come to mind. ;-)


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:MISC: Brooks saddle care posted by Mark Stonich on 1/9/2007 at 6:37:44 PM
About 95% of all bike shops in the US do business with QBP and QBP carries Proofhide. Have them order part # SA1250. Or just order some directly from a place that sells a lot of Brooks saddles such as Hiawatha Cyclery http://hiawathacyclery.com

Unfortunately, since the Selle takeover the tins are much smaller but the price is the same. Even a small tin goes a long way.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Brooks saddle care posted by Timo on 8/5/2007 at 5:55:07 PM
Lexol is wonderful. Decades ago I did some photographs for one of their brochures, The Care and Feeding of Fine Leather, but am not associated with the company in any way. I came away knowing the importance of moderation. When I come in from a long ride, I will wipe down the saddle with a light coat of Lexol…not a soaking. The natural oils will displace ‘your moisture’ left in the saddle…the leather will not shrink, crack, nor stretch. You will more frequently find the Lexol at tack & saddlery shops where riders have to maintain their investment for years. It is also used in the finest museums for antique flight suits and leather-bound books. Watch the use of saddle soap and neats foot oil are not meant for this use. If you use saddle soap, follow it with a proper treatment..don't let it dry out between. Whatever you use, remember moderation and the concept of the ‘care & feeding of fine leather. I am a passionate user of Lexol.

AGE / VALUE:   JAPANESE W/ ROD BRAKES? posted by: Skip on 1/3/2007 at 8:04:50 PM
Hi, Can someone tell me about this bike my friend, Austin, bought at a flea market a couple years ago ? Here is what I know, 1. Name: SUIKO 2. It is ugly 3. The owner is ugly 4. It has rod-brakes and an external band brake on rear wheel(it says this in english) 5. The rims/crank set etc. had chrome 6. We haven't found a serial number yet. Any help,history, orig. pictures would be a great help. If you have any questions or want pics I can email them to you. Thank you in advance.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   JAPANESE W/ ROD BRAKES? posted by David on 1/5/2007 at 3:43:58 PM
The description is like jillions of bikes all over Japan. They're sold everywhere very cheaply. I think department stores commonly have house brands and a lot of companies produce them. I doubt you'll be able to discover much about it!

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   JAPANESE W/ ROD BRAKES? posted by Chris on 1/5/2007 at 5:51:35 PM
Unless you are in Japan, or have somebody there who can help you. It will be difficult.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   JAPANESE W/ ROD BRAKES? posted by Skip on 1/13/2007 at 1:40:04 PM
I finally found out the deal on this bicycle with chinese writing on it. It is a Raleigh export to japan, It has the handle bars, rims and chaincase of the 1910's raleigh in the picture data base. The chinese writing says "Great Tokyo Japan" I guess it was then exported to China after it came to Japan. We're going to restore this bike. Thank you everybody for your help and patience, Skip

MISC:   Rod braked childrens trike posted by: Robert on 1/2/2007 at 3:54:06 PM
I am looking for info on a Phillips tricycle I picked up today.

Chain drive, rod braked and in good condition.


How duriable are the old style solid rubber tires? They are presently in vey good condition.
Anyone want to venture an educated guesss as to what year???

Is this a collector or valuable? Or is it just a clasy toy for some lucky kiddo?

I am considering giving it to my grandaughter when she gets old enough for it.



   RE:MISC: Rod braked childrens trike posted by Warren on 1/2/2007 at 5:17:02 PM
A beautiful bike...the tires should last fine if stored indoors. If the bike has a freewheel at the back (so you can coast) then be careful giving it to your grandaughter. Those rod brakes are notoriously bad stoppers especially in the rain. If the bike is a "fixed gear" (like a normal trike, pedal backwards and the bike reverses) then great but watch that front brake anyway becauise those large wheel trikes can fly. It may even have a coaster brake at the back...that's good too.

I'd say it's a late 60's bike...because of the plastic pedals.

   RE:RE:MISC: Rod braked childrens trike posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 1/2/2007 at 5:19:55 PM
I was pretty much going to post what Warren said. Not sure of the age... but certainly an excellent find. That COLOUR!!!!

Nicely done Robert!!!! :-)


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:MISC:   Rod braked childrens trike posted by Matthew on 1/3/2007 at 2:10:58 PM
Hi Robert,

I agree with Warren and Larry on the safety issues. This is a fine example of such a trike. You would be fortunate to find one anywhere in such good condition. they are usually family herlooms and played to death, well loved but very well worn. This one is almost as good as it gets. By the plastic pedals I would say it was a 1960's model as earlier models would be rubber.

I hope you (some one small) enjoys the trike.

Matthew - trikes!

   RE:RE:MISC:   Rod braked childrens trike posted by Robert on 1/4/2007 at 6:56:37 AM
Thanks for the info. I was real happy to find it.

   RE:RE:MISC:   Rod braked childrens trike posted by Robert on 1/4/2007 at 6:56:40 AM
Thanks for the info. I was real happy to find it.

   RE:RE:RE:MISC:   Rod braked childrens trike posted by Chris on 1/10/2007 at 10:47:57 AM
The Phillips version of this was called: The Magic Steed. Good name.

   RE:MISC:   Rod braked childrens trike posted by Nate on 1/16/2007 at 10:23:24 AM
Ah yes, The Magic Steed!