AGE / VALUE:   Go for the Gold posted by: sam on 5/18/2007 at 4:04:38 PM

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Go for the Gold posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 5/20/2007 at 9:00:59 AM
Drooling Towel Required for this one....

Very nice indeed... and at 166 l... reserve not met.... I daresay, it will go for quite a pretty penny.

Thanks for the link!

Larry "Boneman" Bone

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Roadster Movie posted by: JDuck on 5/18/2007 at 8:02:25 AM
Flipping channels yesterday, I came across "A Yank at Oxford". 1938 with Robert Taylor. Just full of shiney new roadsters. Even a scene in a bike shop! I would like to have the inventory of even that fake shop. Check it out sometime. I lived near Oxford for several years and it appears to have been filmed there.

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Roadster Movie posted by Roger on 5/18/2007 at 10:36:41 AM
There is one movie, I can not remember with a bunch of roadster types in it which escapes me at the moment;

However; Chariots of Fire is certainly another movie which has a number of them in it.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Roadster Movie posted by Roger on 5/18/2007 at 10:45:25 AM
OKAY, a movie, a very quaint and good movie; occurring from around the time of World War I; so these are really old bikes but ones that were needed to be relied on also, is the Englishman who went up the Hill. It takes place in Wales and these surveyors are down there measuring the topography.

Wholesome movie too (in spite of the appearance of the poster, not principally a romance movie); I place link to a poster, and Chariots of Fire to me, is among the best movies ever.

Also, the movie does contain some spoken Welsh language; which is probably rather unknown to most of us.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Roadster Movie posted by Matthew on 5/20/2007 at 1:01:43 AM
Enigma, the film about the codebreakers at Bletchley Park also has several bicycles in it.

Matthew - action!

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   I.D. this bike posted by: curt on 5/18/2007 at 6:26:48 AM
Hi i am trying to I.D. this old bike,it has 28 1/2 inch tires ,front brakes work off a series of rods,and also has a rear brake,three piece crank,look as if the top bar is an add on to make it a man's ,headbadge says Mister Cycle,trademark registered,any help would be appreciated,tried to add a pic,but don't know how,send me and email address and i'll send a pic for I.D.thanks curt


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   51 Humber posted by: Ted on 5/17/2007 at 10:11:25 PM
A friend has offered to give me a '51 Humber club bike. Rough shape with the front wheel having been replaced. Same frame as my '51 Raleigh Clubman but a different fork. I think it's '51 because it has a '51 SA 3 speed hub. Is there a web site that can give me information on it. I'm not sure I want to tackle this one. Ted

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   51 Humber posted by Chris on 5/18/2007 at 7:09:03 AM
Take it! Ohh I'm jealous. We have the exploded diagrams here in the old database. It's under Raleigh Rudge Humber diagrams.

I have small parts and so do others here and there is e- bay.
Go for it! These are magical! What color is the bike? Does it have the double fork?
Is this a 531 frame?
What are you waiting for?
Go right now. wire the payment! call them, just drop in without announcing yourself.
Web site? yes! this one here!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   51 Humber posted by Edwin on 5/19/2007 at 1:20:51 AM
They're crap.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   51 Humber posted by Chris on 5/19/2007 at 1:39:27 PM
To some, that's true. I can imagine Edwin standling next to a Rene Herse as he says this. Edwin probably has some very nice things in his collection.

These Humbers make me happy, I have fun with them and enjoy them and to me they are special. I have found hunting Humbers to be compettitive and kinda difficult.

I have encountered No, it's not for sale too often from folks who have what I am wanting to buy and own. Yes, it's crap. But they tighten their hands on the handlebars and tell me it's not for sale. Still.

So it's desirable, collectable, rare and costly crap.
This crap has me pulling out another debit card and going back to the bank to get my hands onto the crap once and for all.
Sell the crap after riding , enjoying and using for years and I made money on the crap.
Money is held by the folks who look for me so when I walk in to pick it up after recieving the call it's already changed hands and so all the folks who see it in the shop are turned away because it's already been sold to me, without my even seeing it or being there. He say's to get this out of his shop it's distracting the buyers from the new stuff. He can type in on e- bay the whole bike and individual parts and assess the general value of this crap.

The fork alone the shop fellow wants 50.00 just for the fork.
The one I wanted and missed out on was $450.00 in New York and it was a ladies frame!
Sorry Chris. It's been sold and the buyer will not sell it. 500, 600, 700, 850.? No Not for sale. That's it. I said " Oh, Crap!"
The crap needs to be complete, somewhat rust free crap and the crap needs to be original, (and I hate this word but it's 'bike lingo') "unmolested" crap.

It's not the crap we need to be able to recognize but the rare, amazing diamond, come along once every 20 years of active collecting mysterious new find that we can't find any information about on the internet.

The challenge is knowing what to keep no matter what. The patience of hanging onto something and storing away something and never ever touching it actually forgetting about it so you don't take it to some show and letting it out of your possession ever.

Oh, I made good money but my greatest screw up was...
The Debates race bike with the prototype, super rare Campagnolo parts, things not seen anyplace because this was the very beginning of Tullio's career and I sit there with it in my hands and instead of keeping it. Photographing it, and doing my duty as a collector in service to the hobby like getting the books and interviewing the old lady and for gods sake.... preserving what I had picked up for cheap. Instead I sold it like an ass. We ( the folks who bought it from me and from the fellow he sold it to) we went looking for it and it slipped thru all our fingers and I was the idiot who let it go. I can only plead that I was young and green in this.

Sure, you find it with your skill but when the bike gods hand the blind, idiot squirrel like me the keys to the kingdom or the find of a lifetime and you only merely quadtripple your investment instead of writing books and making thousands off of the deal.

Heres wishing to everybody here that the great finds come along at a point in your career when you possess the patience, knowledge, and maturity so you don't blow the great opportunity of a lifetime.

We blow it because we fail to recognize how stellar and rare and desireable something can be and is, as it sits before us. The Flying Scot track bike I laid my grubby paws on had a history with it that should have been written about and I totally blew it there let the lady move away and I didn't try too hard.

Yes, made money. Still screwed up.

I think of the movie: Amadeus. The wife returns from the spa after Wolfgang and Constance have a falling out but she has come back and finds her husband in the "care and company" of Sollierari who really lothes him and has worked to undo him. Motzart is dying, collapsed at his last performance and the wife asks suspiciously:

"Why You?" The answer: "Because, Madame I was at hand."

The one who is at hand at the right time with the money, desire, knowledge and nerve to pull it off is the one who walks away with the goods. Unless..... as in Solliarri's case the wife stops him, locks the papers in the desk, puts the key in her blouse and asks him to leave.

That does not happen to often however. Usually you walk down the driveway, tuck the reciept in your pocket, load it onto the rack and go home and just enjoy the moment. Enjoy the winners lunch looking out the window at the bike.
If you are out there, hitting the pavement and keep trying and working at this and walk the beat and folks like you, and think well of you, for reasons like- you are honest they will call you and you'll find the goodies and some of that will be such a good deal and the mother-lode great haul will pop up.

When it does, just don't blow it. Hang onto everything until you have the time and resources to do a proper check thru because today, even the crap can fetch hundreds. Or thousands.


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   51 Humber posted by Matthew on 5/20/2007 at 1:04:34 AM

So succinct.

Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder.

Matthew - each to his own

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: 51 Humber posted by Neal on 5/20/2007 at 6:03:54 PM
According to Peter Kohler's article on the Raleigh Clubman on the RetroRaleighs site, Raleigh produced club bikes under the Rudge and Humber names as well: The Aero Clubman (Rudge) and Beeston Clubman (Humber). I have a Raleigh/Rudge/Humber parts catalog of that era, and main difference was in the design of the fork crown and colors available.


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1930s English ROad Bile posted by: sciencemonster on 5/17/2007 at 5:06:36 PM

Looks pretty cool, but pretty pricey, too

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   1930s English ROad Bile posted by Roger on 5/17/2007 at 8:26:51 PM
It may be "pricey" but I don't think "overpriced", I mean from the '30s? Wow.

Today of all things, people put out salvage these weeks; and I don't drive around the city, but on my regular drives, I will keep an eye open; nothing spectacular; I searched these forums already for the bike, but I did find a Royal Scot; not to bad, quite a bit of rust on back fender but not elsewhere. Heck, if it doesn't take too much effort to get her going, might be nice in it's present state for jaunts around the neighborhood.

Thanks for pointing this out to us.