ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mystery Dawes bicycle posted by: stu on 8/24/2007 at 7:53:03 AM
Good morning!
New to the group as I just found a nice old Dawes at a yard sale last weekend and trying to discover the vintage. It has some nice features such as headtube oilers with Cloisonne headbage, Alatet headset, Simplex suicide shifter on front and a 4 speed cluster/fixed hub (Normandy font and rear)with a very vintage Simplex Juy shifter(like a Tour de France?)with the stop having a spoke holder on the chainstay, Baylis Wiley BB with a nice lockring feature, etc. The frame is deep blue, with a white headtube and white on the seat tube. Any ideas what it could be? I have posted some pics if you want to see it.Thanks!


   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mystery Dawes bicycle posted by Matthew on 8/24/2007 at 10:40:57 AM
Hi Stu,

This is the wrong discussion board, you need the vintage lightweight DB.

However its a nice bike and I'd guess late 60s early 70s for the date. Is it a figment of the photo or has the bike had a front end shunt? the forks look a bit misaligned that is pushed back.

Matthew - I like to ride my bicycle

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Mystery Dawes bicycle posted by stu on 8/24/2007 at 1:15:24 PM
Hi Matthew,
Thanks for advising me re putting the posting in the wrong group. I reposted to the vintage lightweights.

I think you're probably correct re the front end.I haven't pulled it apart yet, but I suspect that's what I'll find. Its a good project for the upcoming months.

   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS: Mystery Dawes bicycle posted by Warren on 8/24/2007 at 5:28:47 PM
Late 60's with a suicide shifter and Juy derailleur? I don't think that's too likely to happen. Anyway, I posted late 50' on the lightweight board but prove me wrong.

AGE / VALUE:   Cycle history - Lenton sport posted by: Matthew on 8/23/2007 at 11:54:32 AM
When I rode down to Essex I got chatting to my Dad (76 yrs old) and we discussed his bicycles old and present.

In the mid 1940s a neighbour cobbled together a bitsa bike for my Dad to get mobile on, his first real bike. There was a war on and times were very hard. Dad lived in the East End (of London) and watched school class sizes drop not just through evacuation but through the loss of children in air raids. Dad loss his desk sharing pal in the panic and subsequent crush at Bethnal Green Tube Station when 173 civilians died; that's another tale. His first bitsa bike got him mobile until he got a job with Sargeant & Sons, colourmen and ironmongers. The Beverley Sisters lived a few doors away from the shop. Dad worked as a lad in the shop and delivering goods on a large three-wheeler which had a perforated tyre with axial holes in the solid tyrewall to provide cushioning. The efect was to make the rear tyre like a caterpillar track! In the shop store room was a bicycle getting dusty. The proprietor of the shop Freddie Sargeant had lost his son in the war and this was his son's bike. Dad asked if he could buy it and was allowed to, that's how he got a Raleigh Lenton Sport. This bike took him all over the place in his leisure time. Dressed in smart shoes corduroy trousers, shirt, tie and sports jacket, he cut a dash in the home counties. He was a callow youth and replaced the Lenton with a Philips Manhanttan in two tone blue, even now he describes it as garish! By the time I appeared, 1962 he had a 'fifteen quid' Triumph roadster. The £15 bikes were produced by the Raleigh TI family of companies to a price which was the same value as the allowance for a bicycle paid to traffic wardens and policemen. The Triumph was superceded by a lovely handbuilt Marlborough which came my way and was much loved until the crank broke and ruined the frame.

Nowadays following a pedestrian accident Dad can hardly manage a bike. In his garage are my 1954 Raleigh Superbe, a Hercules from 1964, which I restored for him but which he finds too tall and his late 80s Raleigh which is equal in size to the Herc but less pleasant.

Dad has never had a 'foreign' bicycle, never had derailleur gears (except a recent try with a cheap mountian bike which lasted less than a month) and never had anything without 26" wheels, quite conservative really.

Matthew - nostalgia is not what it used to be.

   RE:AGE / VALUE: Cycle history - Lenton sport posted by Howard on 8/23/2007 at 2:25:46 PM
Thanks so much for posting that.
I really appreciate it and know I'm not the only one.


   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cycle history - Lenton sport posted by JDuck on 8/24/2007 at 8:09:37 AM
I love reading stuff like this. I was stationed in the UK at RAF Upper Heyford from 1967 till 1970 and I never rode a bike the whole time! Needless to say, I have been kicking myself for forty years. But then, I suppose riding drunk was illegal even then.

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cycle history - Lenton sport posted by Matthew on 8/24/2007 at 10:33:06 AM
Drunk in charge of a bicycle is still an offence in the UK.

My Mum used to have to go and collect her Dad from wherever he lay. She wheeled him home in a wheelbarrow.

Her Mum, riding downhill in Harrow, was once hailed by a policeman during the blackout who shouted at her'Where's your lights!'
Her curt reply was, 'Next to my me liver!' as she rode off at speed.

Matthew - mad in Britain.

PS - lights is a name for offal, which in a carcass would be near the liver.

   RE:RE:AGE / VALUE:   Cycle history - Lenton sport posted by Matthew on 8/24/2007 at 10:35:22 AM
me my? What am I saying? It should be me as in coloquial my.

Matthew - chellpsecker

AGE / VALUE:   flying and then standing still posted by: Chris on 8/23/2007 at 6:51:25 AM
I have been riding or rather flying all over on this blue Miyata. I hate the pink triangle or pink spots on the bike that the Miyata company put there. It looks like hell.

I was carrying a duffle bag and it caught on a fence post that I was trying to pass through and it caught and the rear wheel smacked the post and the wheel bent in half.

I ground to a halt. The wheel carving a rut in the dirt.
All of a sudden. I was stoped. The bike did not go anymore. After cycling miles and miles at breakneck speed all of a sudden. Stopped. Stopped dead.

It was strange. I stood there looking at the bike stunned.

I left it in the park disgusted and got a pal to come with me to pick it up.

I got another rear wheel the next day and I am back to flying on it.
It was a strange experience!

I still have no brakes on this bike. I lost the positioning washers and can't find them and so I'm riding with no brakes.
I do not recommend that anybody cycle with no brakes.
Today was not fun of all the cars to nearly get out and in front of and nearly getting run over it was a big white police s.u.v.. They didn't notice! And I pulled it out in time to live to type this!

   RE:AGE / VALUE:   flying and then standing still posted by Matthew on 8/23/2007 at 11:53:05 AM
Hi Chris,

a good lesson hard taught methinks?

I am glad you don't advocate brakeless riding, it would be a life shortening experience and we can ill afford to lose you.

Did you know that rapid decellaration can cause wheels to collapse? Many accident victims do not die from crush or penetration injuries but from the collosal forces they are subjected to when a vehicle decellarates from 55mph (88kph) to standstill it a very short distance. Often internal organs and brains are very badly damaged in such circumstances. A cyclist flying over the handlebars would be doing fine if they could land safely because they decellarate naturally. Unfortunately other vehicles and street furniture often intervene. In my case (30+ yrs ago) it was my teeth and the kerb which collided some fractions of a second after my thumb broke on the 3-speed lever. I still have a broken tooth, I'm used to it now.

The rapid dismount was caused by a fast stop and a stone in the road. I was braking hard to call at a friends house when my Triumph Traffic Master (a Twenty clone) hit a large stone - hey presto - off I came!

That was on a bike with brakes, an accessory I thoroughly recommend for all cycles (except ordinaries).

Matthew - a permanent gap tooth grin.

ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Large frame 3-speeds posted by: Kevin on 8/23/2007 at 4:10:28 AM
Raleighs rule, of course, but I picked up an interesting Schwinn three-speed the other day. It's a radiant coppertone Deluxe Racer from 1966, with a tall, 23" or 24" frame. Small-frame Racers and Deluxe Racers are common, but this one is big, and it fits me. Has anyone else out there seen one?

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   Large frame 3-speeds posted by Alan Weeks on 8/23/2007 at 11:36:47 AM
I have a 1967 Schwinn Racer and a 1947 Schwinn Continental, both with 23" frames. As you've noted, the smaller 19" and 21" frames seem to be much more common but I've seen a fair number of Schwinns in the larger size.


ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '76 DL-1 added to the stable posted by: -Kurt K. on 8/22/2007 at 5:39:21 PM
Well, it's been a while, hasn't it? Well, I'm back for a bit to brag (might as well call 'em as they are, eh?) about my latest acquisition (and cleanup, for that matter), a somewhat tattered '76 men's DL-1, and a '73 ladies' DL-1 in far worse shape.

This is about the condition they came in (copy/paste the link into your browser):


(Ignore the extremely rusty DL-1 - also a '76 - at the back - found that a while ago - holes in the rims and god knows what else)

Well, a few fenders later, and a bit of Meguiars Scratch-X on the frame, the '76 men's DL-1 in the foreground now looks pretty decent, if not darn good. (Copy/paste the link into your browser as before):





I took the opportunity to replace the tires and true the wheels while the fenders were out - even though the rims are in negligible cosmetic shape, once trued, they rode beautifully during my afternoon test ride - best ride I've ever had on a DL-1.

A big thanks to Mr. Patrick Heffernan for passing the bikes on to me for preservation, and to Neal Lerner for the fenders presently on the '76.

Enjoy the photos.

Take care,



   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '76 DL-1 added to the stable posted by David Poston on 8/22/2007 at 7:11:27 PM
Now all you need to complete the restoration is buy the parts I have for sale on e-bay. :) (Just kidding!)


   RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '76 DL-1 added to the stable posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/23/2007 at 2:31:51 AM
Well... speak of the devil...

You and your farking PALM TREES.... sorry.... I'm cageless (bikerspeak for "no car") at the moment... and have been riding 80 miles per day... in record breaking cold... and soaking wet rains... on the motorcycyle.

Nice looking machines. Albeit... that chainguard on the 76... ;-) Those just look funky, eh?

Scratch X? MacGuire's product? Interesting... I'll have to check it out. I use the Techwax... it's amazing stuff.

It's been a little slow on the board... but then, suddenly... many of us have once again heard the call of the Roadster... and have taken up projects that were languishing... machines that were dusty... etc...

I recently re-assembled my olde Sprite.... working on a mudguard swap.... and just yesterday I received a 22T cog for my DL-1... as to say the ratios on it... make the hills here extremely daunting.

Something in the air? Moon phases? Coriolis Effect? Dunno.... but whatever ... 'tis a good thing methinks.

Good hearing from you!

Ride safe!

Larry "Boneman" Bone

   RE:RE:RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '76 DL-1 added to the stable posted by Chris on 8/23/2007 at 6:51:19 AM
Now you just have to find a complete N.O.S. bottom bracket set. a new headset, new front hub, new or rebuilt rear hub.

Then, you have a new bike!

The freedom!

   RE:ENGLISH ROADSTERS:   '76 DL-1 added to the stable posted by Matthew on 8/23/2007 at 11:36:53 AM
The boy (Kurt) done good!

Yes larry there's something in the air.

Matthew - free wheeling, the best.

   RE:Re: '76 DL-1 added to the stable posted by Larry "Boneman" Bone on 8/27/2007 at 11:24:42 AM
>Wish I could get my hands on a pair of mustard yellow curved Sprite guards for my '69 Sprite.

Hmmm... try Ford Screaming Yellow... if you can find it. Just might be close enough. ;-)


Larry "Boneman" Bone

   Re: '76 DL-1 added to the stable posted by Kurt K. on 8/24/2007 at 1:52:14 PM
Larry: "...and have been riding 80 miles per day... in record breaking cold....on the motorcycyle."

Just be glad you don't have to do it on your DL-1 ;)

As for the chainguard, it is even worse to realize that it's a replacement "curve-'n-dip" guard from a '77, not the original hockey-stick.

You won't be disappointed with Scratch X. Works wonders.

Wish I could get my hands on a pair of mustard yellow curved Sprite guards for my '69 Sprite. I have a pair of Lemon Yellow '73 box-pattern guards, but the colors are a definite no-match.

Now you just have to find a complete N.O.S. bottom bracket set. a new headset, new front hub, new or rebuilt rear hub.

Why replace all that? Indeed, the BB lockring is in sore need of replacement (I have a couple of them on hand, of course), and a good deal of the rod parts are in serious need of replacing or due for a bronze-wool job, but the rest is pretty good. The rear hub in particular is one of the least-finicky AW's I've ever used. Wonder if someone stuck the late '80s Sturmey AW non-slip internals into it?

P.S.: What she could use are a decent set of rims. These are one step from looking like rust covered with a silver spray job, despite it being chromed.

Take care,


P.S.: Did I post a photo of my 1976 parts DL-1? It's a sorry sight:


Funny thing, the chrome on it is in better shape, in spots, then the nice '76. Go figure that one out.